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Invitation by GoodMuyis(m): 7:53pm On Apr 16, 2016
@holahmihdeh @JMG1

Sorry for mentioning you here, I was tempted to start replying to M-uttley.Laff on the other thread, but thay same day was the day I commence studying the Book of timothy and I Got some lesson form 1Tim 1:3-4

1Tim 1:3-4 (KJV) - [3]As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, [4]Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Although I suppose the thread was to enlighten, strengthen and edify us, but the it turns out that the Brother makes the topic of Holy Ghost a drilling exercise; when he suppose to guide those he feel were still lacking.

Dont get annoyed, lets love one another
Re: Invitation by JMG1: 8:13am On Apr 17, 2016
GoodMuyis:
@holahmihdeh @JMG1

Sorry for mentioning you here, I was tempted to start replying to M-uttley.Laff on the other thread, but thay same day was the day I commence studying the Book of timothy and I Got some lesson form 1Tim 1:3-4



Although I suppose the thread was to enlighten, strengthen and edify us, but the it turns out that the Brother makes the topic of Holy Ghost a drilling exercise; when he suppose to guide those he feel were still lacking.

Dont get annoyed, lets love one another

No offence for mentioning me bro. I have decided to let the topic go so those who are lacking won't start questioning there belief. The trend is to enlighten, strengthen and edify us as you have stated and that's how we should keep it.

And I tried in some replies to him to try encourage those who desire this gifts so as not to derail from the main purpose of the trend.

Thanks bro
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 2:15pm On Apr 17, 2016
GoodMuyis:
@holahmihdeh @JMG1

Sorry for mentioning you here, I was tempted to start replying to M-uttley.Laff on the other thread, but thay same day was the day I commence studying the Book of timothy and I Got some lesson form 1Tim 1:3-4



Although I suppose the thread was to enlighten, strengthen and edify us, but the it turns out that the Brother makes the topic of Holy Ghost a drilling exercise; when he suppose to guide those he feel were still lacking.

Dont get annoyed, lets love one another


Thanks for understanding. It is well with you
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 7:39am On Jul 10, 2016
GoodMuyis:
@holahmihdeh @JMG1

Sorry for mentioning you here, I was tempted to start replying to M-uttley.Laff on the other thread, but thay same day was the day I commence studying the Book of timothy and I Got some lesson form 1Tim 1:3-4
I am just aware of this posting,
and I missed noticing the thread earlier than now because GoodMuyis bastardised my ID by adding - and . punctuations to it

Wonders never cease!
If GoodMuyis didn't sneakily bastardise the other holahmihdeh and JMG1 IDs mentioned in his post,
why I wonder did he had the need to sneakily bastardise my ID?

GoodMuyis:
Although I suppose the thread was to enlighten, strengthen and edify us,
but the it turns out that the Brother makes the topic of Holy Ghost a drilling exercise; when he suppose to guide those he feel were still lacking
Point of correction, it was the topic of speaking in tongues (i.e. the gift of speaking in a foreign human language) that was made into a drilling exercise by the Brother and not the topic of Holy Ghost
Nothing worth it's worth is found picked from the surface. Diamonds, gold, oil etcetera come about from drilling exercises

My mention of the Holy Ghost was about the ever-increasing measure and you-never-can-get-enough-of-it nature of the Holy Ghost.

This then spilled into JMG1's self-interest about speaking in tongues (i.e. the gift of speaking in a foreign human language)

The drilling questions were asked, so as to slowly and steadily chip away, piece by piece, the layers of misunderstanding and years of this particular false indoctrination
Afterall, Gandhi at one time about truth, said that:
Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.

At times, I dont spoon-feed or give outright answers on a platter, as my aim to whomsover is being grilled/drilled is to think for themselves
You can't solve a speaking-in-tongue problems with the same thinking you used when you created them
The lead on from one question(s) to another is to steer towards re-thinking to a point of having an I-get-it-light-bulb moment
JMG1 did an Agrippa-to-Paul- Almost-thou-persuadest-me version on me and baulked when he wrote:
Thank God am a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit,
if not I'll have started thinking you were right about me speaking nonsense.
Infact I almost believed you...


Some facts I shared in another recent thread shown below, has some of the answers I was expecting to hear, as responses to the posed drilling questions given to JMG1 & holahmihdeh on that thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3203214/what-does-it-mean-speak#47182013

Presenting and exposing some people to the truth almost never changes their minds, in fact, it can do just the opposite.
This was proven right on that thread as we had the two major protagonists on the speaking in tongues matter showing defiance
by responding defensively to this widely held and false belief of speaking in tongue
(i.e. their wrong idea and thinking of speaking in a foreign human language)

MuttleyLaff:
Write what you like in abuse of me but I know you're smart enough to know it has nothing to do with finally summoning spine to write

I am never at loss for a response. I had 99% of all those already written up but never got to allocating time to publish them
My confidence is silent, it's your insecurities that are loud
Goshen360 earlier told you he doesnt have your time,
I too, am very protective of my time, and prefer to prioritise what I used my time for
Sorry, posting rebuts on this thread obviously is at the bottom of the pecking order
https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/33#46942264

Gombs:
like the time you protectively used in this thread "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits"? Yeah, right
https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/33#46953599
Notice Gombs above goading me on another thread over my time given on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread
but because wisdom prevailed, I didnt in a retaliatory manner gung ho respond to his veiled provocation

ROTBL, holahmihdeh, on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread, even had the audacity of making a shameless throw away comment that I had copied and pasted. SMH, possibly accusing one of something she frequently does

Sometimes silence is more powerful than having the last word and that is what happened on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread
Allowed the two protagonists to have the last word over the issue of speaking in tongue and wallow in their ignorance

GoodMuyis:
Dont get annoyed, lets love one another
Colossian 3:9 telling us not to lie to each other
and the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 telling us to speak the truth in love, is what encouraged me to comment on the OP saying believers recharge
etcetera and to counter the ''recharging'' misconception, so GoodMuyis none and/or no one should be annoyed.

Tough love is part and parcel of loving one another especially when people mistake confidence for ''trait of arrogance'' as my sweet darling brother JMG1 once put it
and are obstinate in misinterpreting a simple bible phenomenon or being very wrong for a long time in still misunderstanding it

The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
- Winston Churchill
cc blueAgent

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Re: Invitation by GoodMuyis(m): 5:13pm On Jul 11, 2016
MuttleyLaff:

Sir, I did mention your moniker to notify you of reply.

The reason for creating this thread is to avoid online contention or argument, but since you find it out, i dont have problem with that.
In the other thread if you check, i did not intrude your conversion with anyone there, and when I see thing are heading towards argument its derailing the thread so I call those i think will listen to me.


In the case of Speaking in Tongue and interpretation, myself so desire the gift [in fact Chinese], i would have flow with your lesson but i discovered that the way you handle it came with ambiguity.

MY TAKE ON YOUR METHOD
As a you teacher you should understand your student or audience and adjust your method or drilling and grilling, not everyone can take. If you ask hard question any attempt should be appreciated and the wrong one properly corrected.

Teaching is not all about telling the TRUTH, it more than that, but exposing your audience to the fact; digging the knowledge from observations 1st then experiences and vice-versa, citing examples just to establish a point and pass the knowledge to the audience with expectation of their application.

If your method are as you describe in your comment, than how would you deal with Youth Ministry where you find different characters?
There is an adage in yoruba "he who speak proverb at inlaw's house, will interpret it himself". So if you ask drilling and grilling question it is expected of you to be ready to give answers to your learner. But if you prefer to go by your method, not everyone is a slow learner, there are many who only need mark to make market, i.e. enlightenment and they become more wiser, by the way knowledge is enlightenment


Lastly, the gifts from God are all gotten without ambiguity
Act 10:44 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."

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Re: Invitation by GoodMuyis(m): 5:15pm On Jul 11, 2016
CC: ?? ?? ??

Really I just notice that
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 1:28pm On Jul 17, 2016
GoodMuyis:
MuttleyLaff:

Sir, I did mention your moniker to notify you of reply

Sir, ''... start replying to M-uttley.Laff'' is extraordinarily different to ''start replying to MuttleyLaff''
The dash (i.e. - ) and dot (i.e. .) you inserted changes completely MuttleyLaff and there is no way it will flag up as a mention for me to notice
Why would you have to modify my moniker with the dash and dot, if not that you want to post about MuttleyLaff under a radar without being detected

MuttleyLaff is the moniker and not your adulterated M-uttley.Laff version

GoodMuyis:
The reason for creating this thread is to avoid online contention or argument, but since you find it out, i dont have problem with that.
In the other thread if you check, i did not intrude your conversion with anyone there
You didnt have to feel you would be intruding because obviously I had already

involved you when at the very beginning, I mentioned you among others, whom I noticed had responded to JMG1's quest in wanting SERIOUS clarification about the baptism

of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues

GoodMuyis:
and when I see thing are heading towards argument its derailing the thread so I call those i think will listen to me
Things werent derailing the thread.
Did you not read JMG1 and holahmihdeh, ungraciously declining, when I made the effort to take the discourse elsewhere, as in, off the thread, ''outside''

GoodMuyis:
In the case of Speaking in Tongue and interpretation, myself so desire the gift [in fact Chinese]
I can tell, you do crave for the gift,
but please oblige me, for what purpose exactly do you desire Speaking in Tongue and interpretation for
and/or why do you really so desire the gift?

GoodMuyis:
i would have flow with your lesson but i discovered that the way you handle it came with ambiguity
You neednt have to flow to anything because there was no class and it was no lesson.
My posts on were mere disclosures and surprising facts on Speaking in Tongue and interpretation
Technique or no technique but did you question any of your phantom ambiguity(ies)?

GoodMuyis:
MY TAKE ON YOUR METHOD
As a you teacher you should understand your student or audience and adjust your method or drilling and grilling, not everyone can take
My role on the thread was not that of a teacher, again I did not teach, but gave JMG1 a long and detailed period of questioning
JMG1 took well, he was doing well until he buckled under more lines of questioning and then switched from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde on me

Usually am not one to give up easily but at a particular point, I said to JMG1:
I haven't even started yet. I couldn't because we didn't get to start because questions I posed and about to pose to you were left inadequately answered, if at all any attempts were made to answer them.
It is until after you've answered the question(s) that sequential ones will be asked you.
Everything I asked you about is Bible based and will be bible backed, which is why I need honest answers or "I don't know" answers. When I counter give the answers then do

a Berean with it

GoodMuyis:
If you ask hard question any attempt should be appreciated and the wrong one properly corrected
https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-

angels/101#44552120
https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44582564
Revisit the above links to review how appreciations was given to the responses made

It is by questioning we arrive at the truth. Again, you fail to accept that, wrong answers to questions asked, werent intended or planned to be corrected on that threa

GoodMuyis:
Teaching is not all about telling the TRUTH, it more than that, but exposing your audience to the fact; digging the knowledge from observations 1st then experiences and

vice-versa, citing examples just to establish a point and pass the knowledge to the audience with expectation of their application
My role on the thread a
The problem on

that thread was that someone shouldnt have asked for the truth, if such wasnt ready for it
It was the truth that ended whatever relationship we had on that thread, I mentioned the bitter truth but many people didnt want to hear it
Who said I was teaching on that thread. My role wasnt teaching. I didnt teach nor did I get to a point to explain anything yet.
My role on the thread wasnt teaching, if you review the below links, you will notice that I merely was gradually exposing JMG1 to a few facts and truths using series of open,

closed, probing, leading questionings
https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44552120
https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44582564

GoodMuyis:
If your method are as you describe in your comment, than how would you deal with Youth Ministry where you find different characters?
There is an adage in yoruba "he who speak proverb at inlaw's house, will interpret it himself".
So if you ask drilling and grilling question it is expected of you to be ready to give

answers to your learner. But if you prefer to go by your method, not everyone is a slow learner, there are many who only need mark to make market, i.e. enlightenment and

they become more wiser, by the way knowledge is enlightenment
If I know you can handle the truth, I give and tell you the truth, straight up.
For most of the times, I dont spoon-feed or give outright answers on a silver platter just like that because truth wasnt handed to me on a platter
but rather via 2 Timothy 2:15 (i.e. approved unashamed workman rightly dividing the word of truth) and Acts 17:11 (i.e. Berean study)

When I go by, what you termed ''by your method'', this is done to gauge any on the other sides, understanding of a subject
and pin down where exactly they have lapses of understanding on the subject

''by your method'' is trying to stir up thinking for themselves, using the questionings, until arriving by themselves, at that face-palm golden moment of sudden realization of the truth

If not everyone can take it, then, is it that difficult to say: I dont know
That is all that is simply needed, to move on, just: I dont know

Now there is this other adage in Yoruba that says: ''Ti oogun eni ba dani loju, a ma nfi gba ori'',
so if you sincerely and truly believe in becoming wiser (i.e. making right decisions, words, comments, remarks etctera, at right time, and att God's right side)
and also believe that: ''knowledge is enlightenment'' (i.e. information that sheds light brings CHANGE)
then I give you the same offer JMG1 & holahmihdeh threw back in my face after trampling on it
My sweet darling brother you can report back here the outcome of our discussion
Trust me , it will be a John 8:32: Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

GoodMuyis:
Lastly, the gifts from God are all gotten without ambiguity
Act 10:44 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."
ROTBL, SMH, with this kind of remark and unjustly backing it up with this verse, you really expect the truth be told, straight up, just like that

I remember, before my another mention of your moniker,
asking JMG1 series of questions about why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur etcetera

Permit me to reproduce some below:
1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
2) Do you know why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible?
3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible?
4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible who it was aimed at or meant for?
7) According to GoodMuyis, three years after her conversion, his late Aunt was firing praying tongue, now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above
Taken from: https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44552120

Gombs take note
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 2:32pm On Jul 21, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
I am just aware of this posting,
and I missed noticing the thread earlier than now because GoodMuyis bastardised my ID by adding - and . punctuations to it

Wonders never cease!
If GoodMuyis didn't sneakily bastardise the other holahmihdeh and JMG1 IDs mentioned in his post,
why I wonder did he had the need to sneakily bastardise my ID?


Point of correction, it was the topic of speaking in tongues (i.e. the gift of speaking in a foreign human language) that was made into a drilling exercise by the Brother and not the topic of Holy Ghost
Nothing worth it's worth is found picked from the surface. Diamonds, gold, oil etcetera come about from drilling exercises

My mention of the Holy Ghost was about the ever-increasing measure and you-never-can-get-enough-of-it nature of the Holy Ghost.

This then spilled into JMG1's self-interest about speaking in tongues (i.e. the gift of speaking in a foreign human language)

The drilling questions were asked, so as to slowly and steadily chip away, piece by piece, the layers of misunderstanding and years of this particular false indoctrination


Afterall, Gandhi at one time about truth, said that:
Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.

At times, I dont spoon-feed or give outright answers on a platter, as my aim to whomsover is being grilled/drilled is to think for themselves
You can't solve a speaking-in-tongue problems with the same thinking you used when you created them
The lead on from one question(s) to another is to steer towards re-thinking to a point of having an I-get-it-light-bulb moment
JMG1 did an Agrippa-to-Paul- Almost-thou-persuadest-me version on me and baulked when he wrote:
Thank God am a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit,
if not I'll have started thinking you were right about me speaking nonsense.
Infact I almost believed you...


Some facts I shared in another recent thread shown below, has some of the answers I was expecting to hear, as responses to the posed drilling questions given to JMG1 & holahmihdeh on that thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3203214/what-does-it-mean-speak#47182013

Presenting and exposing some people to the truth almost never changes their minds, in fact, it can do just the opposite.

And what exactly is the basis of ur argument on speaking tongues? Because or were questions and write up were and are clearly from a confused mind.

This was proven right on that thread as we had the two major protagonists on the speaking in tongues matter showing defiance
by responding defensively to this widely held and false belief of speaking in tongue
(i.e. their wrong idea and thinking of speaking in a foreign human language)


https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/33#46953599
Notice Gombs above goading me on another thread over my time given on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread
but because wisdom prevailed, I didnt in a retaliatory manner gung ho respond to his veiled provocation

ROTBL, holahmihdeh, on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread, even had the audacity of making a shameless throw away comment that I had copied and pasted. SMH, possibly accusing one of something she frequently does


Sometimes silence is more powerful than having the last word and that is what happened on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread
Allowed the two protagonists to have the last word over the issue of speaking in tongue and wallow in their ignorance


Colossian 3:9 telling us not to lie to each other
and the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 telling us to speak the truth in love, is what encouraged me to comment on the OP saying believers recharge etcetera and to counter the ''recharging'' misconception, so GoodMuyis none and/or no one should be annoyed.


Tough love is part and parcel of loving one another especially when people mistake confidence for ''trait of arrogance'' as my sweet darling brother JMG1 once put it
and are obstinate in misinterpreting a simple bible phenomenon or being very wrong for a long time in still misunderstanding it

I pray the light of God illuminates ur understanding.

The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
- Winston Churchill
cc blueAgent

u can trace the reply to each statement as you deem fit.

U always attach importance to things that are not necessary. Try to outgrow that!. Everyone makes spelling mistakes at one point or the other.

U can call speaking in tongues false indoctrination. That is ur belief which u have no right whatsoever to impose on anyone. The bible is a personal conviction of each person as the Holy spirit teaches the person. 1 John 2:27 "but the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you and you do not need that anyone teaches you concerning ALL THINGS and is true and is not a lie and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him

Speaking in tongues maybe false to you: ur belief. It had been in existence since the days of the apostles (in the upper room) and whatever u belief and whatever research u coming up with can/ will never change the fact that it is REAL.

Am already used to ur " saucy" tongue

That means u are an ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit! I will rather wallow in my ignorance than to listen to an antagonist of God's spirit.

And what is the truth u were saying about JMG1 tongues? That it is false. Were u the one that gave him the utterance?

No one is annoyed but pls dont play the role of the Holy Ghost here!

If u read ur bible very well Apostle Paul said he did not confer with flesh and blood after his encounter with Jesus on his Damascus while he was still persecuting the xtians. U can as well call that arrogance.

I pray the light of God illuminates ur understanding.
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 3:00pm On Jul 21, 2016
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=47629824]

I can tell, you do crave for the gift,
but please oblige me, for what purpose exactly do you desire Speaking in Tongue and interpretation for
and/or why do you really so desire the gift?

/quote]

SMH
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 12:57am On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
u can trace the reply to each statement as you deem fit
I always try do my best

holahmihdeh:
U always attach importance to things that are not necessary. Try to outgrow that!
SMH at this tangential remark

holahmihdeh:
Everyone makes spelling mistakes at one point or the other
Please dont be deceitful, because GoodMuyis would never accept that him typing ''M-uttley.Laff'' was a spelling mistake
Dont insult the readership's intelligence

holahmihdeh:
U can call speaking in tongues false indoctrination
I call what is practised by penterascals as false indoctrination
You are an accomplice, if you deny that what is widely and currently practised in penterascal gathering as speaking in tongues is not false

holahmihdeh:
That is ur belief which u have no right whatsoever to impose on anyone
If God doesnt impose, and if the Holy Spirit is too much of a gentle person to impose
so from whom would I have learnt imposing from?
No not imposing, it is called exposing to the truth(s)

holahmihdeh:
The bible is a personal conviction of each person as the Holy spirit teaches the person.
1 John 2:27 "but the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you and you do not need that anyone teaches you concerning ALL THINGS and is true and is not a lie and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him
The Holy Spirit teaches with an ever increasing measure
yet will not teach one beyond what one is not ready to handle
but it is amazing how the Holy Spirit responds to enthusiasm

However, Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend, might be the catalyst for the Holy Spirit to intervene in the ''personal conviction'' and teach

holahmihdeh:
Am already used to ur "saucy" tongue
Whatever ''saucy'' tongue means to you, definitely isnt any of my repertoire

holahmihdeh:
That means u are an ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit!
Meow! Did someone pee in your cornflakes?
ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit lorhun-lorhun
In your dreams
but if it makes you feel better, then in your figment of imagination, an ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit I am to you

holahmihdeh:
I will rather wallow in my ignorance than to listen to an antagonist of God's spirit
Pride.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall

Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.

Ignorance is your choice, as it can be difficult to come to terms with the truth. I know and understand

The caveat, is that you've somewhat been exposed to the truth now
and can no longer plead ignorance to its knowledge

holahmihdeh:
And what is the truth u were saying about JMG1 tongues? That it is false.
Were u the one that gave him the utterance?
Yes, yes that what is currently uttered sit is false
Dont be daft, how can it be me who gave him the mumbled, incoherent and unintelligible utterance
It wasnt me and certainly wasnt God too

holahmihdeh:
No one is annoyed
You didnt read me saying anyone was annoyed
If anyone wants to be annoyed, such can be my guest and have my go ahead

holahmihdeh:
but pls dont play the role of the Holy Ghost here!
That goes without asking

Throw a rock into a marketplace, the one that cries out the loudest is usually the one that got hit.
The struggle, reluctance and protest isnt surprising
because all truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

holahmihdeh:
If u read ur bible very well Apostle Paul said he did not confer with flesh and blood after his encounter with Jesus on his Damascus while he was still persecuting the xtians. U can as well call that arrogance
When you read people posting and exposing you to things in the BIBLE, and you cant remember reading it like that, or if you dont understand what you are exposed to, then it is no use to bickering about their actions, just do the ''Philip & Ethiopian eunuch'' needful and ASK THEM TO SHOW IT, SHOW EVERYTHING & ALL TO YOU.
All truths are easy to understand once they are exposed or discovered; the point is to discover them or be exposed to them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

holahmihdeh:
I pray the light of God illuminates ur understanding
SMH, pot calling kettle black.

holahmihdeh:
SMH
Yes, twas question asked out of curiousty
I hate making assumptions. Him answering those questions will save me a whole lot of guesswork bother
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 6:30am On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
I always try do my best


U need to "SMH" at ur level of retarded thinking. Try to be more mature. So it hurts u that ur name was misspelt but never cared abt someone else's feeling who u claimed to be speaking in false tongues. Common! Be sensible for once. U calling churches of "penterascal" shows how unbridle ur tongue is and downgraded a xtian u are, thats if u are even one.

And what truth are u exposing "MR KNOW IT ALL" Lolz someone with an impaired undertstanding, who should still be learning. Gal 6:3 "For anyone thinks himself to be somthing, when he is nothing he deceives himself". I pity those youths (as u claimed to have a youth ministry) u are teaching all these wrong doctrine. Gal 1:9 "As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received let him be accursed".

If u don't believe in speaking in tongues (which has been since the days of the apostles), keep that demonic idea to urself.

See a friend who want to sharpen another friend LOLZ. Even the heaven are lauging hysterically Dumb!

How did u know his tongues is "incoherent and unintelligle" and it wasn't from God. And have u heard speaking in tongues. U are yet to answer those but keep bringing senseless comments.

U calling us protagonists makes u an antagonist of the Holy spirit. Ur comments so far, on both threads showed that u are the proud person here cus u are bent on imposing ur silly on a fellow human. And I see ur destruction coming than u think.

STICK TO WHAT U BELIEVE IN AND LET EVERYONE STICK TO HIS OR HER BELIEF. NO ONE SOLICTED FOR UR ADVICE. AFTER ALL HEAVEN IS AN INDIVIDUAL RACE.

I WILL RATHER CHOOSE TO BE DAFT AND BE IGNORANCE THAN LISTEN TO CORRUTIBLE WORDS FROM A MOUTH LIKE URS. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE "THE FOOLISHNESS OF GOD IS WISER THAN MEN AND THE WEAKNESS OF GOD IS STRONGER THAN MEN" 1COR 1:25.
"BUT GOD HAS CHOSEN THE FOOLISH THINGS OF THE WORLD TO PUT TO SHAME THE WISE AND GOD HAS CHOSEN THE WEAK THINGS OF THE WORLD TO PUT TO SHANE THE THINGS WHICH ARE MIGHTY" 1COR1:27

"FOR IT IS WRITTEN I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND BRING TO NOTHING THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRUDENT" 1COR1:19

THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T TAKE TO UR IS NOT PRIDE BUT UR OWN REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IS THE BANE OF UR NEMESIS.

SO HUMBLE URSELF!!!

EXPOSING THE TRUTH? "WHILE THEY PROMISE THEM LIBERTY, THEY THEMSELVES ARE SLAVES OF CORRUPTION; FOR BY WHOM A PERSON IS OVERCOME BY HIM ALSO HE IS BROUGHT INTO BONDAGE" 2PET 2:19.
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 7:05am On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
U need to "SMH" at ur level of retarded thinking. Try to be more mature. So it hurts u that ur name was misspelt
misspelt indeed, pull the other leg
You are as sneaky as they come
Cant even be honest and put the devil to shame with the truth why GoodMuyis wilfully misspelt the monicker

holahmihdeh:
but never cared abt someone else's feeling who u claimed to be speaking in false tongues. Common! Be sensible for once. U calling churches of "penterascal" shows how unbridle ur tongue is and downgraded a xtian u are, thats if u are even one.

And what truth are u exposing "MR KNOW IT ALL" Lolz someone with an impaired undertstanding, who should still be learning. Gal 6:3 "For anyone thinks himself to be somthing, when he is nothing he deceives himself". I pity those youths (as u claimed to have a youth ministry) u are teaching all these wrong doctrine. Gal 1:9 "As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received let him be accursed".
SMH at ''as u claimed to have a youth ministry''

holahmihdeh:
If u don't believe in speaking in tongues (which has been since the days of the apostles), keep that demonic idea to urself
I believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit but not the falsehood perpetrated in today's believers gathering

holahmihdeh:
See a friend who want to sharpen another friend LOLZ. Even the heaven are lauging hysterically Dumb!
Any more gutter language in your arsenal LOL

holahmihdeh:
How did u know his tongues is "incoherent and unintelligle" and it wasn't from God. And have u heard speaking in tongues. U are yet to answer those but keep bringing senseless comments.

U calling us protagonists makes u an antagonist of the Holy spirit. Ur comments so far, on both threads showed that u are the proud person here cus u are bent on imposing ur silly on a fellow human. And I see ur destruction coming than u think.

STICK TO WHAT U BELIEVE IN AND LET EVERYONE STICK TO HIS OR HER BELIEF. NO ONE SOLICTED FOR UR ADVICE. AFTER ALL HEAVEN IS AN INDIVIDUAL RACE.

I WILL RATHER CHOOSE TO BE DAFT AND BE IGNORANCE THAN LISTEN TO CORRUTIBLE WORDS FROM A MOUTH LIKE URS. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE "THE FOOLISHNESS OF GOD IS WISER THAN MEN AND THE WEAKNESS OF GOD IS STRONGER THAN MEN" 1COR 1:25.
"BUT GOD HAS CHOSEN THE FOOLISH THINGS OF THE WORLD TO PUT TO SHAME THE WISE AND GOD HAS CHOSEN THE WEAK THINGS OF THE WORLD TO PUT TO SHANE THE THINGS WHICH ARE MIGHTY" 1COR1:27

"FOR IT IS WRITTEN I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND BRING TO NOTHING THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRUDENT" 1COR1:19

THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T TAKE TO UR IS NOT PRIDE BUT UR OWN REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IS THE BANE OF UR NEMESIS.

SO HUMBLE URSELF!!!
Capslock galore! Yeepa, your cage is really rattled now, isnt it

holahmihdeh:
EXPOSING THE TRUTH? "WHILE THEY PROMISE THEM LIBERTY, THEY THEMSELVES ARE SLAVES OF CORRUPTION; FOR BY WHOM A PERSON IS OVERCOME BY HIM ALSO HE IS BROUGHT INTO BONDAGE" 2PET 2:19.

Exposing to the truth, and not expose the truth please at least get that much right, if everything else goes over your head
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 7:44am On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
misspelt indeed, pull the other leg
You are as sneaky as they come
Cant even be honest and put the devil to shame with the truth why GoodMuyis wilfully misspelt the monicker

SMH at ''as u claimed to have a youth ministry''

I believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit but not the falsehood perpetrated in today's believers gathering

Any more gutter language in your arsenal LOL

Capslock galore! Yeepa, your cage is really rattled now, isnt it


Exposing to the truth, and not expose the truth please at least get that much right, if everything else goes over your head


LOLz. I can't just stopped laughing. OMG! Goodmuyis referred to you having a youth ministry in his post so Y denying? Ur personal cup of tea sha! So what has ur "well-polished" language brought you? LOlz! *roll eyez* *laughing seriously*

Even copying animated pix to butress ur stup!d!ty

Capslock galore? It was delibrate, not worth commenting on. See the way u think again SMH!

Falsehood? Is speaking in tongues not part of the gifts? 1Cor12: 4. So unfortunate! So speaking in tongues is falsehood? So Acts 2: 1-4 is false? So 1Cor12: 7-10 is false?

I expected u to come up with bible scriptures to counter the ones I wrote in block letters for u to humble urself.

I just pray ur creation won't be a waste cuz its tending towards that direction!
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 7:58am On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
LOLz. I can't just stopped laughing. OMG! Goodmuyis referred to you having a youth ministry in his post so Y denying? Ur personal cup of tea sha! So what has ur "well-polished" language brought you? LOlz! *roll eyez* *laughing seriously*
Yes and that was GoodMuyis' conjecture

holahmihdeh:

Even copying animated pix to butress ur stup!d!ty
That is the muttley laugh. You really don't have half a clue. SMH

holahmihdeh:
C
apslock galore? It was delibrate, not worth commenting on. See the way u think again SMH!
Persistent capslock is an indication of shouting

holahmihdeh:

Falsehood? Is speaking in tongues not part of the gifts? 1Cor12: 4. So unfortunate! So speaking in tongues is falsehood? So Acts 2: 1-4 is false? So 1Cor12: 7-10 is false?
When you calm down and farabale, you would see and read what I've so far actually wrote about or on the subject

holahmihdeh:

I expected u to come up with bible scriptures to counter the ones I wrote in block letters for u to humble urself
I wouldn't waste any on you

holahmihdeh:

I just pray ur creation won't be a waste cuz its tending towards that direction!
Keep it coming Yemi or whatever your name is.
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 9:34am On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
Yes and that was GoodMuyis' conjecture

That is the muttley laugh. You really don't have half a clue. SMH

Persistent capslock is an indication of shouting

When you calm down and farabale, you would see and read what I've so far actually wrote about or on the subject

I wouldn't waste any on you

Keep it coming Yemi or whatever your name is.

For Ur little brain. What u have been written so far are those of a confused mind trying to draw many to see reasons with his fallible claims. Never consistent for once! Oh! let me shout am enjoying it.
And I won't spend my time on a wasted creature like u. Call me any name but that wasn't my name. Even checking my profile. LOLZ
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 10:39am On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
For Ur little brain
Size don't matter, it's how it is used that counts. I don't see how far you've fared with your big brain

holahmihdeh:
What u have been written so far are those of a confused mind trying to draw many to see reasons with his fallible claims. Never consistent for once! Oh! let me shout am enjoying it
You're out of your depth young lady, when you've calmed down and farabale you will see there aren't any inconsistencies in any of my post

holahmihdeh:
And I won't spend my time on a wasted creature like u
Keep the adjectives coming

holahmihdeh:
Call me any name but that wasn't my name. Even checking my profile. LOLZ
As usual deceitful about your name. It's part of your last name or you expect me to splash your full name here, first and last.
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 1:29pm On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
Size don't matter, it's how it is used that counts. I don't see how far you've fared with your big brain

You're out of your depth young lady, when you've calmed down and farabale you will see there aren't any inconsistencies in any of my post

Keep the adjectives coming

As usual deceitful about your name. It's part of your last name or you expect me to splash your full name here, first and last.

The summary is ur age doesn't reflect ur maturity. Mummu u can use ur entire life finding about my details online. It shows u have nothing tangible to use ur time for and uwc. What is deceitful in that? Am not Yemi simple. u can post all my names here no need to shortened it. dumb asss!
Re: Invitation by blueAgent(m): 1:59pm On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:


u can trace the reply to each statement as you deem fit.

U always attach importance to things that are not necessary. Try to outgrow that!. Everyone makes spelling mistakes at one point or the other.

U can call speaking in tongues false indoctrination. That is ur belief which u have no right whatsoever to impose on anyone. The bible is a personal conviction of each person as the Holy spirit teaches the person. 1 John 2:27 "but the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you and you do not need that anyone teaches you concerning ALL THINGS and is true and is not a lie and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him

Speaking in tongues maybe false to you: ur belief. It had been in existence since the days of the apostles (in the upper room) and whatever u belief and whatever research u coming up with can/ will never change the fact that it is REAL.

Am already used to ur " saucy" tongue

That means u are an ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit! I will rather wallow in my ignorance than to listen to an antagonist of God's spirit.

And what is the truth u were saying about JMG1 tongues? That it is false. Were u the one that gave him the utterance?

No one is annoyed but pls dont play the role of the Holy Ghost here!

If u read ur bible very well Apostle Paul said he did not confer with flesh and blood after his encounter with Jesus on his Damascus while he was still persecuting the xtians. U can as well call that arrogance.

I pray the light of God illuminates ur understanding.


Stop been a bigot. the Bible was clear on the issue of Speaking in tongue.
The Bible is not open to individual interpretation. but what the Bible says about an issue is what that is important.
most Clergys are confused. am not surprised.the Bible said even the Elect, will be Decieved.

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Re: Invitation by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jul 22, 2016
blueAgent:



Stop been a bigot. the Bible was clear on the issue of Speaking in tongue.
The Bible is not open to individual interpretation. but what the Bible says about an issue is what that is important.
most Clergys are confused. am not surprised.the Bible said even the Elect, will be Decieved.

And where did I mention personal interpretation? I said personal conviction as THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES. The English is simple enough before for u to comprehend. Always think before u comment. Thanks.
Re: Invitation by blueAgent(m): 2:20pm On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:


And where did I mention personal interpretation? I said personal conviction as THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES. The English is simple enough before for u to comprehend. Always think before u comment. Thanks.

What is the difference between personal.conviction and personal interpretation. you must first interpret and understand something before it becomes a conviction.the holyspirit cannot do all for you.
The holyspirit is not a confusionist it cannot speak anything contray to what the Bible says.
if we are to depend on conviction then ,a certain pastor in lagos who set his member Ablaze is not guility becos he said he was convinced by the same Holyspirit.

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Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 2:21pm On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
The summary is ur age doesn't reflect ur maturity
You mean like your gutter language and name calling doesn't reflect you having any form of virtuousness

holahmihdeh:
Mummu u can use ur entire life finding about my details online. It shows u have nothing tangible to use ur time for and uwc.
Another figment of your imagination

holahmihdeh:
What is deceitful in that? Am not Yemi simple. u can post all my names here no need to shortened it. dumb asss!
Dont tempt fate, you will wince if I call your bluff
Re: Invitation by GoodMuyis(m): 2:44pm On Jul 22, 2016
Q1: Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
--

YES; but that is base in people's understanding of what speaking tongues is. ACT 2:8 tell us that "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" (Here we see real and closeby languages). But according to paul in I Corinthians 14 Paul inform us that one can speak a language that those closeby wont understand what we speak except few.

Also in the Book God's General-pg136: During the days of William J. Seymour see except in quote
So men and women were now departing for Scandinavia, China, India, Egypt, Ireland, and various other nations. Even Sister Hutchinson, who initially locked Seymour out of her mission, came to Azusa, received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and left for Africa

The Above are languages on earth. I once listen to Preacher (understanding prayer in tongues.mp3), he narrate his meeting with young girl who speak in tongue and can even visualize and write it down, when the Preacher saw it, he interpret and said some of the word in the girls tongue, he had ever seen such in heaven at language department (Maybe during a trance or something in dont know). Paul also said there is language of angels: I Cor 13:1 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels...

In Summary there are tongues of men and of angels. For curiosity and overzealous sake some dont want to know this, but only care to to just speak or rather pray in tongue preferably the tongue of angel cheesy.
Re: Invitation by GoodMuyis(m): 3:00pm On Jul 22, 2016
Q2-Q4: I will just summarized them cheesy cheesy cheesy

On the is will still refer back to Q1

Q1: Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
--

I Cor 14:22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: ...

Also in the Book God's General-pg136: During the days of William J. Seymour see except in quote
So men and women were now departing for Scandinavia, China, India, Egypt, Ireland, and various other nations. Even Sister Hutchinson, who initially locked Seymour out of her mission, came to Azusa, received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and left for Africa

No matter the number of time it occurred, Speaking in Tongue is a sign as:
a => Evidence of Holy Ghost baptism Act 2:4, Act 10:44-46, Act 19:6 other place speaking in tongue was reference is I Cor chapter 12 to 14 referencing it as gift
b =>

CC MuttleyLaff
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jul 22, 2016
blueAgent:


What is the difference between personal.conviction and personal interpretation. you must first interpret and understand something before it becomes a conviction.the holyspirit cannot do all for you.
The holyspirit is not a confusionist it cannot speak anything contray to what the Bible says.
if we are to depend on conviction then ,a certain pastor in lagos who set his member Ablaze is not guility becos he said he was convinced by the same Holyspirit.

Funny. If the Holy spirit can not do all for us, why did Apostle John say in 1John 2:27 that the Holy Spirit will teach us ALL THINGS. It is what the holy spirit teaches u ,that the verse said is true and not a lie, that u get convinced of not just ur carnal personal conviction which maybe wrong

And u believed the pastor claim of been convinced by the holy spirit to set a man ablaze. that wasn't the holy spirit.

U cannot understand everything about the scriptures on your own cuz it is a mystery
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 3:40pm On Jul 22, 2016
blueAgent:


What is the difference between personal.conviction and personal interpretation. you must first interpret and understand something before it becomes a conviction.the holyspirit cannot do all for you.
The holyspirit is not a confusionist it cannot speak anything contray to what the Bible says.
if we are to depend on conviction then ,a certain pastor in lagos who set his member Ablaze is not guility becos he said he was convinced by the same Holyspirit.

Funny. If the Holy spirit can not do all for us, why did Apostle John say in 1John 2:27 that the Holy Spirit will teach us ALL THINGS. It is what the holy spirit teaches u ,that the verse said is true and not a lie, that u get convinced of not just ur carnal personal conviction which maybe wrong

And u believed the pastor claim of been convinced by the holy spirit to set a man ablaze. that wasn't the holy spirit.

U cannot understand everything about the scriptures on your own because it is a mystery
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 3:42pm On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
You mean like your gutter language and name calling doesn't reflect you having any form of virtuousness

Another figment of your imagination

Dont tempt fate, you will wince if I call your bluff
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 3:56pm On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
You mean like your gutter language and name calling doesn't reflect you having any form of virtuousness

Another figment of your imagination

Dont tempt fate, you will wince if I call your bluff

As if u have never called anyone names before, to the extent of saying someone speaking in tongues in incoherent. U are definitely from that gutter. Where did u get my name if not from the internet and u still call that imagination. Am yet to see a man that is as unstable as you are

Y not go ahead?

Infact no point meddling with someone like u. whether u like or not we are not interested in ur doctrine and that's what is paining you the most. The Holy spirit is a promise from God and speaking in tongues is a sign and we shall desire more of it. Lobatan!!! 1 Timothy1:7 "Desiring to be teachers of the law,understanding neither what they say nor the things they affirm"
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 4:18pm On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
As if u have never called anyone names before, to the extent of saying someone speaking in tongues in incoherent. U are definitely from that gutter
I haven't called you or anyone names, at least, not yet as I like it you use the dumb, small brain, mumu, stupid etcetera and whatever other name calling you can think of.

holahmihdeh:
Where did u get my name if not from the internet and u still call that imagination. Am yet to see a man that is as unstable as you are
Where or how I got the lowdown and all about you, is for me to know and for you to stew over.

holahmihdeh:
Y not go ahead?
Nah, no can do, cos you aren't worth it

holahmihdeh:
Infact no point meddling with someone like u. whether u like or not we are not interested in ur doctrine and that's what is paining you the most. The Holy spirit is a promise from God and speaking in tongues is a sign and we shall desire more of it. Lobatan!!! 1 Timothy1:7 "Desiring to be teachers of the law,understanding neither what they say nor the things they affirm"
Bandwidth getting used up, isn't it?Dont stop, you’ve almost strung yourself up
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 4:43pm On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
I haven't called you or anyone names, at least, not yet as I like it you use the dumb, small brain, mumu, stupid etcetera and whatever other name calling you can think of.

Where or how I got the lowdown and all about you, is for me to know and for you to stew over.

Nah, no can do, cos you aren't worth it

Bandwidth getting used up, isn't it?Dont stop, you’ve almost strung yourself up

Check the other thread and see for urself
. I believe the eyes are still working if the M.O has packed up.

Who cares about where u got my details from? Spend ur entire life on that , ur problem not mine. SMH.

If u need 2GB I will gladly share it with you. My time is too precious to be investing on sm1 who been brainwashed by fallible teachings.
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 5:22pm On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
Check the other thread and see for urself. I believe the eyes are still working if the M.O has packed up
I don't need to go into rabbit hole for another of your figment of imagination of me name calling anyone on this thread

Let's wait to see whatever gutter language and name calling you can spew out.

holahmihdeh:
Who cares about where u got my details from? Spend ur entire life on that , ur problem not mine. SMH
Ki ki ki, he pain am

holahmihdeh:
If u need 2GB I will gladly share it with you. My time is too precious to be investing on sm1 who been brainwashed by fallible teachings.
You need the 2GB more than me, so save it for your pot calling kettle black self. Thanks but no thanks
Re: Invitation by Nobody: 5:54pm On Jul 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
I don't need to into rabbit hole for another of your figment of imagination of me name calling anyone on this thread

Let's wait to see whatever gutter language and name calling you can spew out.

Ki ki ki, he pain am

You need the 2GB more than me, so save it for your pot calling kettle black self. Thanks but no thanks

Everything is now imagination*roll eyes*. Seems u can no longer think straight. oh! what a pity!

pls and pls don't feel too big. if u need data I will gladly give u just to show some Godly love LOZ. U have been clouded by your over sabi but I too forgot this prov 9:7-8. hummm!
Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 6:42pm On Jul 22, 2016
holahmihdeh:
Everything is now imagination*roll eyes*. Seems u can no longer think straight. oh! what a pity!
Abi ooo, your imagination running wild today has been legendary

holahmihdeh:
pls and pls don't feel too big. if u need data I will gladly give u just to show some Godly love LOZ
Na by force, which part of you need it more than I do, don't you understand

holahmihdeh:
U have been clouded by your over sabi but I too forgot this prov 9:7-8. hummm!
I was waiting to see when you will use the famous over sabi cop out card. Touché

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