iLegend:


I wanted to drag your legs into a private place/site. If you say so, then no problems. And for IamLEGEND1, we've never exchanged msgs before. Today is the first day. How much will I pay you to deactivate your account? The first day I saw it I was shocked. It's like copyright infringement. You won't understand why I said that.

It'll be hard to convince anyone we're not the same. Which state are you from? Let's know each other.

pfffft!! you having a talk with yer alternate?
....and uym,Facebook ain't private.

foolinlove:


Feminism fights to dismantle gender stereotypes. It is helpful to men too.

Feminism has succeeded in a lot. And it will continue to do so. Whether you like it or not.

Im the future, women will be able to have posession of their own bodies to the point where no one sees women as inanimate sexual objects. Where women have reproductive rights. Where men can stay home and care for children while women go out and work - if that's what's right for that couple. Where people are free to make choices based on circumstance, not gender.

It is not about women taking over the world. It is about women being treated with the same respect and opportunity as men.

Equality may be impossible, but equality of opportunity is not.

chigoizie7:



U are still confused on what u want. In your words "feminisms fights to dismantle male stereotypes" yet u have been going on and on to tell many girls or all of us how not to trust men because once they buy u food or spend a dime on u, they start demanding for sex as a pay back. What sort of stereotype is worst than that?

blessedvisky:
Lol. Foolinlove seems to subscribe to the mindset of
" I'M A WOMAN, HENCE YOU (THE MAN) MUST RESPECT ME, MY THOUGHTS, ACTIONS, WORDS, DRESSING ETC SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN"

I laugh in Portuguese

foolinlove:


Simply because I'm a human. What makes wome less worthy of respect than men?

blessedvisky:


Lol don't try and switch from "woman" to "human".

People don't get accorded respect based on their humanity. Rather people get accorded respect based on their accomplishments.

People who have in no way contributed to the betterment of any society and yet keep asking for respect simply because they are humans too have a long thing coming (that's speaking generally) .

foolinlove:
You say women should cover their cleavage because breasts are sexual organs.

Breasts aren't sexual organs. They're secondary sexual characteristics.

Just so you know: your facial hair and enlarged adams apple are secondary sexual characteristics as well.

So if you think people should cover secondary sexual characteristics, feel free to shove your entire head into a bag at any time.

foolinlove:


Yet you're willing to assign blame to women for being raped.

Certifiedbillio:
go jor, it's not dressing that make a girl to be raped,

LuveU2:
Funny u will say this, but single women go topless everyday before single men huh, in private. They enjoy the sight of her bossoms in their rooms (they will still shame her later anyway) but would curse her if she bares herself in public. Whar is the difference?

foolinlove:


It's rapists that rape women. Or men.

foolinlove:


Feminism fights to dismantle gender stereotypes. It is helpful to men too.

Feminism has succeeded in a lot. And it will continue to do so. Whether you like it or not.

Im the future, women will be able to have posession of their own bodies to the point where no one sees women as inanimate sexual objects. Where women have reproductive rights. Where men can stay home and care for children while women go out and work - if that's what's right for that couple. Where people are free to make choices based on circumstance, not gender.

It is not about women taking over the world. It is about women being treated with the same respect and opportunity as men.

Equality may be impossible, but equality of opportunity is not.

AnalyticEngine:


It is so pathetic that you think this way. Please, expose all the cleavage you want, even your arse, as long as you bear all the consequences of the calibre of people you attract and repel, no one cares. The fact still remains that any lady who feels the need to expose her boobs or unclothedness either has self-esteem issues or deliberately wants to provoke seduction. Any of which is bad. You can't find a beautiful lady with high moral standards and ethics flaunting her sexual organs anyhow in order to appear appealing because their character and real beauty does the job.

iLegend:


I wanted to drag your legs into a private place/site. If you say so, then no problems. And for I am legend, we've never exchanged msgs before. Today is the first day. How much will I pay you to deactivate your account? The first day I saw it I was shocked. It's like copyright infringement. You won't understand why I said that.

It'll be hard to convince anyone we're not the same. Which state are you from? Let's know each other.

foolinlove:


Yawn.

I am not physically unattractive to a lot of men. You would probably label me so because you dislike my personality.

If you support equal rights then you are a feminist, that's the definition.

Everyone has a right to do what they want without judgement. You see women dressing in a way you perceive as sexual and all you can think is that she's doing it to attract you.

How do you know she's not doing it to attract other women? Or some other reason? Men on this forum are ao egocentric. Like everything a woman does is to serve men.

My case in point.

itseintel:


You still evade my questions.....

Men are also sexual objects...hope you are aware..

Men should also take to the streets protesting privileges like maternity leave and female specific job opportunities.... you cannot take away gender from many circumstances....

Reproductive rights? In what sense please...

If i hit a man it's called a fight...but i hit a woman, right or wrong, i become the shameless one... where's the so much advocated equality in such circumstance...

Why will men stay home... that is bilogically,economically and socially out of place. Then where is the place of the females in nature to nuture... The breastss you have ain't no accident neither your kind birthing a mistake

Feminism in our time doesn't fight stereotypes....it for weak women who cannot fight for their place in this genaration but want it on a platter... muh of talkers than doers. Women with complex issues who try to give men as the reason why they can't thrive where they have been placed...

The society has become more egalitarian and less patriarchal since the advent of industrialisation.... it's an open field with abundant opportunities....train yourself right and seize yours...

Feel free to quote me when you have been victimised by gender bias and we'll weight it alongside when you haven't.... feminism cannot fight what it creates- which is stereotypes...

Suspectzero:



I would be a humanist not a feminist. Equality is not a feminine quality. That is what you people use to try to sell your views which in practise don't translate to equality. We've seen evidence of it in western countries. It's always women victim this women victim that. But of course it's all about equality. You are already equal before the eyes of the law. What you really want is preferential treatment. Just like how those women started campaigning for an apology for Remi Tinubu. That's feminism in action. Special treatment and victim mentality.

foolinlove:


Patriarchy has created stereotypes. You are playing into them by suggesting women only can nurture children - abundantly untrue.

Men have a right to paternity leave. In many countries. Thanks to feminism making way for maternity leave.

Feminism is about women being ABLE to fight for their place. Which it has done.

You are confusing feminism for patriarchy.

I have been the victim of gender bias daily in my life. Being overlooked for promotion at work even though I am more qualified and experienced than my male counterparts. Being paid less than my male colleagues of the same level as me. Being sexually harrassed on the street. Being blamed for my rapes. Being called a slvt for something I wore. Being called a b!tch bevause I refused sexual advances of a guy I thought was my friend. Being beaten by a boyfriend because a man approached me in a shop. Being told what to wear if I want to be respected. Being asked why I'm not married, and that I'll never be married if I focus so much on my career. Being told that my place is below a man. And so it goes.

Being told I have fewer rights than men, by you, simply because I was born with female Instruments.

I live by feminist principles. That women should have as much opportunity to succeed as men. That men have absolutely no right to treat me poorly because another female did something they didn't personally approve of.

When someone says "all men cheat" men scream and rant "not all men!" And then in the same breath start generalising and categorizing women based on irrelevant data like what women wear. It's illogical. But that's patriarchy for you.

foolinlove:


I suggest you start paying attention to women when they speak, instead of thinking you know everything about their experiences.

You may notice some patterns.

I am attempting positive social change. For women. It's like you don't think women deserve rights and freedom like men.

fox26:
Don't come my way oooh. I touch your breasts straight away. will you be happy with that? If you say no. then you must remove your foolish story , if you say yes you like them being touched walk like that boys will ask you to hotel and drill the hell out your azz.

chigoizie7:



U see? I will be @ advantage with all these feminism thing.

For now, "respect" for whoever is what I don't joke it. Be u a feminist or not, once u are with me, be sure of getting that from me.

Another thing is child bearing, no matter how hard u as a feminist try to make things equal, a man can never carry a child for nine months, but a woman can, feminist or not.

These are the two things that scares me most in life apart from death, because I need a child and a wife that can respect and me respecting her, any other thing about what feminism stands for is to my advantage as an african man so why would I not want it? My only problem with them is preaching what they can not carry out practically.

I don't expect u to end up all the time in the kitchen, I can cook, as a matter of fact I do that as I type.

I don't also expect u to always be the one around and dearing to out kids, I also want to be loved by them too, and to achieve that, i will have to start paying attention to them the same way their mother does.

Apart from these two things, every other thing is to my advantage as a nigerian man getting married to a feminist. Because we will have to share rents, share the children's school fees, she maintains her car while I do so to mine, she buys her cloths just as I buy mine, whatever we buy for the kids, we contribute equally, It will only make me work less because someone is contributing equally financially, spiritually, morally, physically and otherwise.


So give me why good reason why I wouldn't support feminism? Feminists that practicalise what they preach.


If she wants to be a brick layer or an auto mechanic so as to earn must to contribute to her own half in our matrimonial responsibility, I don't give a fork.

But preaching to be equal and not doing things equally is what I can not condone. Just incase, I have worked under so many female bosses. They were bosses not because they were women, but because they worked hard to outshine their male counterparts and ascend such positions.


As africans, I don't see why someone will be clamouring for feminism when it is not even against our laws. Before our constitutional laws, everyone I s equal, man or woman.

If ur own perception about equality is different from what I wrote, please feel free to elucidate.

foolinlove:


Stop excusing rapists.

Go and watch Mad Men. Tell me if women are solely responsible for their own sexualisation.

I tire of talking to people who fail to see logic.

itseintel:



I'm not confusing both.... they are the same. Just the gender advocating them is the difference....

And you think men haven't gone through many of stuffs cos they are male... the many times at work folks have received commendations aand promotions cos they are women... Some even gate crash their way up...

As much as i empathise with you, i would not conclude hearing your side alone.... sometimes it's our reaction to situations that get us what we never bargained, not gender. ... besides, you only told me your loss and not your gain- those things that kept you longing rather than quitting at those times

There's never an all case in any situation these days... so generalisations shouldn't bother any focused mind.

Oahray:
this is exactly why I had to add that a reason is not necessarily an excuse. Still you managed to fly over the point. Impressive!

Whether you like it or not, there is a reason for every action, but it only becomes a valid excuse when the reason justifies the action. In the end, every action contributes to some reaction. Some of you like to deny reality because it is unpleasant.

Don't even try to go strawman on me. That fallacy is ol'skool. No one is sexualizing anyone. When Nicky Minaj raps about her butt, and guys focus on her butt, whose fault is that? Our male ancestors? You ladies are the ones sexualizing yourselves by highlighting body parts that arouse men by nature.

My points thus far since you have a knack for missing them...
1) Your dressing influences how you are viewed. You can change how you are dressed, you can't change the human tendency to form an opinion about your actions.

2) Indecent dressing is one of the MANY THINGS (others include social media, movies that glorify channeling one's frustrations and aggression through sex) that CONTRIBUTE to vices like rape, even though a lack of self control by the rapist is the main culprit.

Keep on being obsessed with patriarchy all you wish. You have a right, just as others have a right to form opinions about you and your dressing. It's a crazy world, don't expect it to change for you; it won't. You better start taking responsibility for your actions.

foolinlove:


You're the one who has pathetic thinking.

You think the only women who have value are the ones who are willing to subjugate themselves to your personal ideals.

You don't get to decide. Many women who expose cleavage do wonderful and valuable things in this world. Michelle Obama. Oprah. And so on.

foolinlove:


Generalisations bother me when they affect me every day.

You live with male privilege. I have to fight twice as hard to be heard because I am a woman in a male dominated field.

I have gained through my hard work. I have not benefited from patriarchy.

Feminism is not the opposite of patriarchy. It has just been named after the people who fight for equality of opportunity when they had none - females. They don't seek to be in power over all men. I keep saying this and you refuse to hear it.

AnalyticEngine:


People like Michelle, Oprah and yours truly beloved fashion mentor, Kim Kadashan set the trend for fashion and zombies like you follow. Tomorrow, if Oprah says, ' no need for tops, just go out nude.' The next thing we'd see is Nigerians begin to follow the new trend. You would hardly see the Chinese dress anyhow or follow the whites like mumu because they know certain aspects of American culture is civilised insanity. It has nothing to do with personal ideals. For a fair experiment, let all these women have the same degree of self esteem, looks and achievement but vary their dresses. The most properly dressed will earn the respect of people any day. Btw, I referred to beautiful women with high moral ethics and self esteem. Michelle is not beautiful. Here's food for thought. Why do I as a lady, need to reveal some of my sexual organs when dressing?