NiGeRianTr0ll:
Nothing bad...If a woman doesn't enjoy sex and is circumcised, marry her, it means she won't cheat on you



Afterall it's all about Feminism, If my Penis is fbcked up, their vagina should be fvcked up too.

Speaking of Feminism SEUN why would you censor Penis_ and not Vagina

BLOODY HYPOCRITES

Find the purpose why u exist.

lexiconkabir:


I am in support of this particular FGM, because;

1.) It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.

2.) It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections

3.) It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.

see what WHO has to say about it in the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, published in 1979;

"With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted."

Bros thanks for this comment. I'm a typical Yoruba girl and it's most likely that I'll circumcise my female children. Why coz I don't see any reason why I shouldn't.
God. .I'd met some crazy girls as an undergraduate. And they can't control their sexual desires . One very close to me showed me her clitoris(cli*to*ris). Jeez.. It was long Eh. Like a mini pe*nis. I just wished she was circumcised coz she was a very good lady but for her heightened sexual appetite.

This is a disgusting and abominable act. When your girls can't urinate properly then you know barbaric and unsavory this practice is. I have a lot of experience with FGM and it's despicable I can't even talk about it. All these idiots here advocating for it should be ashamed of themselves; you're essentially mutilating a girl's body /

In the western modern world BOTH practices are frowned upon. If you were in the medical field you would understand that FMG and male circumcision are not similar surgical procedures although on paper it sounds the same.

It's obvious that you are speaking from a place of emotion rather than through factually based evidence or real experience

Where are the standards made by the medial profession for FGM as you claim. Please post it .An act that has been criminalized by many countries does not have regulations. Most countries that engage in this act are not doing it in hospitals with the supervision of licensed health professionals. But rather in dodgy unsanitary enviornments that do more harm than good.

Let's agree to disagree. This conversation is not a discourse but rather an emotional outburst on your part.

If you care to do the research you will find that there is a huge outcry from thousands of women who have had this procedure done, condemning it from different cultures and countries all over the world. The united nations have gotten involved and it's reached the judicial system of many countries. They are not all wrong. These movements and outcries are not based on a double staNdard.

Educate yourself on this issue from an objective standpoint. Put culture aside and critically think about it. This issue has nothing to do with the west vs Nigeria. Its not them vs us.

Also ask yourself how many men had gathered together across the globe to spread awareness about the negative effects of male circumcision Not many.because it is not the equivalent procedure done to males and not for the same purpose.

hoodboy:


so their religious injunctions super-cedes ours? I'm sure the west will be cool with it if it was a jewish practice.... same way it is done at infancy for men is the same way it's done at infancy too for some girls... All I'm saying is that enough of the double standard, if you condemn female circumcision, condemn male circumcision as well. Rather than criminalise it, you could work towards setting and improving the standards to reduce associated risk, which funny enough exists in the two practices

Memejem:
In the western modern world BOTH practices are frowned upon. If you were in the medical field you would understand that FMG and male circumcision are not similar surgical procedures although on paper it sounds the same.

It's obvious that you are speaking from a place of emotion rather than through factually based evidence or real experience

Where are the standards made by the medial profession for FGM as you claim. Please post it .An act that has been criminalized by many countries does not have regulations. Most countries that engage in this act are not doing it in hospitals with the supervision of licensed health professionals. But rather in dodgy unsanitary enviornments that do more harm than good.

Let's agree to disagree. This conversation is not a discourse but rather an emotional outburst on your part.

If you care to do the research you will find that there is a huge outcry from thousands of women who have had this procedure done, condemning it from different cultures and countries all over the world. The united nations have gotten involved and it's reached the judicial system of many countries. They are not all wrong. These movements and outcries are not based on a double staNdard.

Educate yourself on this issue from an objective standpoint. Put culture aside and critically think about it. This issue has nothing to do with the west vs Nigeria. Its not them vs us.

Also ask yourself how many men had gathered together across the globe to spread awareness about the negative effects of male circumcision Not many.because it is not the equivalent procedure done to males and not for the same purpose.

My dear I'm being objective, if the west hasn't so criminalized female genital cutting, it would not be receiving the backlash that it is. If they have been "tolerant" of this culture they'd rather sensitize and advocate for safer ways of doing it, e.g using sterilized equipment, perfecting different safe cutting procedures, if half the money spent promoting male circumcision by the west is spent on promoting female circumcision or rather sef if half the money spent criminalizing the procedure is spent understanding it and sensitizing cultures that practice it, the world will be a safer place.


Ps. Are you a mother, did you circumcise your son? If yes why put him through that kind of pain that is utterly unnecessary. This is the same argument against fgm basically yet under that same breathe y'all are mutilating male children mostly in the name of religion and not because of any hygiene excuse

uplawal:
Oyimbo dey mess up their brain,they have forgotten there is no surgery that is 100%scarfree,after I told them about mine and not wanting my two girls go thru it,I then asked what's the danger involved if it's not the the one that trigger some hormones to make you intolerant to sugar thereby causing policystic ovaries,diabetes, she said no,they dnt cause all that except infection,then why telling people to stop it if it does not cause those Mentioned, because the clitoris asbwe have been lied to that it's cut off totally is a lie,the clitoris extends to inside the vigina the tinybit cut Is just the start and a woman can still enjoy sex well because clitoris extends inside in viginal,and I do enjoy marital sex and I suffer no pain afterwards except the minor pain when cut,which anyone can,no surgery in this world without pain of whatsoever.

I only wrote to where I said,she should shut up and let people with first hand experience speak, I have no idea where the rest of the quote came from, and if you go through my other comments you will realize it's exactly the same thing the other lady was trying to argue with me, I was circumcised, and I still have orgasm sometimes which depends on how stressed I am and other factors, so all the rubbish oyibo people keep putting up is mere speculation, female circumcision has been in existence even before the oyibos dreamt of making voyage to Africa, 98 percent of women in my state are circumcised, the oyibos have lost all the moral ground to tell what is wrong or right, and as some one with first hand experience, I can confidently say they are wrong, the oyibos that don't circumcise their girls, how morally sane is their society?

I don't know about other people but where I come from people are circumcised as babies, and from experience I have a normal s3x life, so I don't even see what the argument is about, the white people have long lost the moral ground to determine what is right or wrong, and going through this thread the circumcised are not bothered, it seems the ones who have no first hand experience are the ones shouting, maybe the lady that did mine was good at it,because for me,I don't seem to relate to the effects listed

knostbrown01:
WHAT IS FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION (FGM)?

FGM according to world health organization (WHO), it includes all procedurl or total removal of external female Instruments for cultural and or non-medical reasons

WHAT IS FGM CALLED IN OUR LOCAL LANGUAGES?

In Yoruba, it is called ‘DI dabe fun omo’binrin’. In Igbo, it is called Ibi Nwanyi Ugwu while in Hausa, its called Kaciyan mata.

WHO PERFORMS FGM ON WOMEN AND GIRLS?

FGM is carried out by traditional circumcisers, traditional birth attenddants (TBAs) and health workers such as Midwives and community health extension workers (CHEWs)

HOW EXACTLY IS FGM DONE?

The procedure is done using tools like knives or scissors made by local blacksmiths. Some use razors or other sharp objects. The girl is held down by the circumcisr,sometimes with assistance, and the act is done. Sedatives and disinfectants are not usually used. In some places, traditional medicine like herbs or fluid from snail is applied to aid healing of wound.

TYPE OF FGM BEING PERFORMED

TYPE I: called clitoridectomy involves the removal of prepuce, with or without cutting all or part of the clitor1s.

TYPE II: Is called excision. Here, the clitor1s is removed and there is total or partial removal of the inner lips (labia minora) of the vag1na.

TYPE III: This is most dangerous type of FGM and known as infibulation. It involves the removal of the part or all of the external Instruments and the vag1na opening is stitched after narrowing it allowing for small space where urine and menstruation can pass through. Later, surgeries are down on the woman before s*xua1 intercourse and child birth to open and close vag1na.

TYPE IV: Is unclassified type. It includes piercing, scrapping, pricking or making of incision on clitor1s and/or the vag1na lips.

ARE CIRCUMCISERS PAID?

YES, either in gift or cash, when it is cash, the procedure can cost about #500 above.

AT WHAT AGE IS FGM PERFORMED ON GIRL OR WOMAN?

It varies in different tribes and communities, in some places, girls are circumcised on the 8th day or before age 5 while others perform it before they reach adolescence.

EFFECT OF FGM ON GIRLS AND WOMEN

(1). Uncontrollable bleeding which can cause infections and lead to severe pain, or even death.

(2). Infection: such as tetanus infection, hepatitis B and even HIV/AIDS from usage of unsterilized blades or objects.

(3). Victims may also experience intense shock when the act is being performed causing immediate and long-term psychological effect.

(4). Urine retention: women who are victims of type III FGM may experience difficulty in urinating leading to urine retention and causing urinary tract infections.

(5). menstrual pain: victims of type III FGM may experience difficulty whenever they are menstruating.

(6). Difficulty during childbirth, obstructed labour, artificially tightened vag1na can leads to caesarean section.

(7). Infertility and some women have developed keloids because of FGM

(8. Lack of s*xua1 pleasure: the damage to female Instruments can make s*x painful and unappealing to women

NIGERIAN STATE THAT FGM IS MOSTLY PERFORM

• FGM is more prevalent in the southern zones than in the northern zones. States with the highest prevalence Osun (77%), Ebonyi (74%) , Ekiti (72%), Imo (68%) and Oyo (66%)

• FGM is most prevalent among Yoruba women (55%), followed by Igbo women (45%).

Infibulation (TYPE III) is more prevalent in Nasarawa (22%), Kaduna (21%), and Bayelsa (20%) than in any other states

WHY MUST FGM END?

Since FGM has no verifiable health benefit, ending it will help stop a form of gender based violence against future generation of girls and women. The practice violates the rights of women and girls to: Physical and mental integrity, freedom from violence, freedom from discrimination on basis of s*x, freedom from torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatments and right to life.

ARE THERE LAWS AGAINST FGM IN NIGERIA?

YES; the federal legislation that exists is VAPP ACT (Violence Against Persons Prohibition) which was signed into law in May 2015. Amongst other forms of violence against women, VAPP Act recommends 5 years imprisonment term and/or #100,000 fines for anyone who carries out the procedure or anyone who engages someone to carry it out.

Culled from a handbook of FAQ for young people
source:http://freedomnewsng..com.ng/2016/07/female-gen1tal-mutilation-what-you-need.html


Mods, lets sensitise our people more on need to end FGM in Nigeria

Those pple are wicked ooo.dey tied a rope on her stomach 2 help d clitoris protude out fully so that they can cut it off completely.

2dugged:
I know my cl!toris was completely removed

You are not serious, how do you manage to orgasm then? Definitely you can't experience cl!torial orgasm. Maybe g_spot_orgasm or you don't even know what orgasm means.

2dugged:
I know my cl!toris was completely removed

*modified, refresh and read my response again. The word gspott is censored.
(na wa ooo, we can't discuss or use medical terms on this forum)

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sade1994:



Bros thanks for this comment. I'm a typical Yoruba girl and it's most likely that I'll circumcise my female children. Why coz I don't see any reason why I shouldn't.
God. .I'd met some crazy girls as an undergraduate. And they can't control their sexual desires . One very close to me showed me her clitoris(cli*to*ris). Jeez.. It was long Eh. Like a mini pe*nis. I just wished she was circumcised coz she was a very good lady but for her heightened sexual appetite.

@the boldened, we can't completely blame it on lack of circumcision. Her case is just an abnormal overgrowth. And it doesn't apply to all uncircumcised women.

For the issue of her excessive sexual appetite, we still can't blame it on lack of circumcision. I will take her to be a nymphomaniac. She has a high level of androgen in her system, which is not common among women.

And Biologically speaking, women have a relatively low level of androgen when compared with that of men, thus low libido/sexual urge and it varies with their menstrual cycle.

If a woman must be circumcised at all, it must be done with moderation. If it is grossly done, then she is going to have complications. And her husband will never enjoy her.

That is the reason why a lot of marriages are not working well or broken today.

Dejideji1:


You are not serious, how do you manage to orgasm then? Definitely you can't experience cl!torial orgasm. Maybe g_spot_orgasm or you don't even know what orgasm means.

if you know alot about the famales reproductive organ and circumcision you wouldn't be asking that question,that the top layer was removed doesn't mean it still doesn't link to the vag!na which extends into the body,infact, it healed up and formed a bulged like a swelling, so even when touched there, I still feel sensations. As you can see,other people that were circumcised on this thread can't relate to the effects you are all shouting about,you are even a guy and yet you are even more affected than a circumcised female, hehehehe, 98 percent of female babies are circumcised where I come from,I don't see why you are all crying more than the bereaved

cekhoe:
I don't know about other people but where I come from people are circumcised as babies, and from experience I have a normal s3x life, so I don't even see what the argument is about, the white people have long lost the moral ground to determine what is right or wrong, and going through this thread the circumcised are not bothered, it seems the ones who have no first hand experience are the ones shouting, maybe the lady that did mine was good at it,because for me,I don't seem to relate to the effects listed

@the boldened, if that is true, it means you were lucky and yours wasn't grossly done.

You seem not get the point medical professionals are trying to make.
If a woman's vag.inal has been mutilated, it leaves a scar and affects it's elasticity hence obstructed Labour. And other problems listed by the op.

Let me make something clear hear, circumcision can not stop a woman that want to be wayward not to be wayward. Or do you want to tell me that all the prostitutes we have today in Nigeria were not circumcised? Ofcourse majority of them are circumcised

The androgen hormone plays a huge role is in determining how high your sexual appetite will be.

Dejideji1:


@the boldened, if that is true, it means you were lucky and yours wasn't grossly done.

You seem not get the point medical professionals are trying to make.
If a woman's vag.inal has been mutilated, it leaves a scar and affects it's elasticity hence obstructed Labour. And other problems listed by the op.

Let me make something clear hear, circumcision can not stop a woman that want to be wayward not to be wayward. Or do you want to tell me that all the prostitutes we have today in Nigeria were not circumcised? Ofcourse majority of them are circumcised

The androgen hormone plays a huge role is in determining how high your sexual appetite will be.

medical experts of who?, white people?,until I experience the effects myself, then it's just mere speculation. I was aware of a pregnant woman from a place I wouldn't want to mention that wasn't circumcised, during labor she was circumcised before she gave birth, I was young then, so can't recall the reasons, but I for one don't see it as anything, instead of all this, I think the focus should be on the type that is safe, since there are different types. I can confidently tell you that alot of women were circumcised, most feel its too sensitive to talk about it, well not me, so my own advice is to focus on the safe method, because it's still on going everywhere in the country

2dugged:
if you know alot about the famales reproductive organ and circumcision you wouldn't be asking that question,that the top layer was removed doesn't mean it still doesn't link to the vag!na which extends into the body,infact, it healed up and formed a bulged like a swelling, so even when you touched I still feel sensations. As you can see,other people that were circumcised on this thread can't relate to the effects you are all shouting about,you are even a guy and yet you are even more affected than a circumcised female, hehehehe, 98 percent of female babies are circumcised where I come from,I don't see why you are all crying more than the bereaved

I won't argue with you any further, firstly i doubt your true sex, i have a strong feeling that you are a guy going by the nature of your responses

Secondly, your moniker is intimidating and doesn't look like what a woman will coin.

Are you in the medical profession? Yes or no?

And no. I'm not planning on cicumcising any of my children. If they get older and decide to do that to themselves that will be their decision.

hoodboy:


My dear I'm being objective, if the west hasn't so criminalized female genital cutting, it would not be receiving the backlash that it is. If they have been "tolerant" of this culture they'd rather sensitize and advocate for safer ways of doing it, e.g using sterilized equipment, perfecting different safe cutting procedures, if half the money spent promoting male circumcision by the west is spent on promoting female circumcision or rather sef if half the money spent criminalizing the procedure is spent understanding it and sensitizing cultures that practice it, the world will be a safer place.


Ps. Are you a mother, did you circumcise your son? If yes why put him through that kind of pain that is utterly unnecessary. This is the same argument against fgm basically yet under that same breathe y'all are mutilating male children mostly in the name of religion and not because of any hygiene excuse

Dejideji1:


I won't argue with you any further, firstly i doubt your true sex, i have a strong feeling that you are a guy going by the nature of your responses

Secondly, your moniker is intimidating and doesn't look like what a woman will coin.

I find your second point offensive and it indicates you are a misogynist.So you think women are too dumb to think to that extent?infact it is because of misogynist like you I coined that word after being a guest for some time and seeing how trolls bully women with demeaning words just to win an argument , I will give you home work, go back through the posts I have commented on,and tell me what you think

cekhoe:
medical experts of who?, white people?,

I am highly disappointed at your response here. What do you mean by who? Or white people? That looks racial to me.

What has the medical profession got to do with whether you are black or white?

cekhoe:

until I experience the effects myself, then it's just mere speculation. I was aware of a pregnant woman from a place I wouldn't want to mention that wasn't circumcised, during labor she was circumcised before she gave birth, I was young then, so can't recall the reasons, but I for one don't see it as anything, instead of all this, I think the focus should be on the type that is safe, since there are different types. I can confidently tell you that alot of women were circumcised, most feel its too sensitive to talk about it, well not me, so my own advice is to focus on the safe method, because it's still on going everywhere in the country

@the boldened, as i said earlier count your self lucky that yours wasn't grossly done. Else you won't still be supporting this barbaric practice.

Dejideji1:


I am highly disappointed at your response here. What do you mean by who? Or white people? That looks racial to me.

What has the medical profession got to do with whether you are black or white?




@the boldened, as i said earlier count your self lucky that yours wasn't grossly done. Else you won't still be supporting this barbaric practice.

if you feel its a racist comment, then that's your opinion, but the fact remains that white people have lost the moral ground to separate right from wrong, and maybe I was lucky maybe the type I was given was the safe type, which ever way,the bottom line is I am talking from my own experience, if other circumcised women have a different experience they are welcome to share

cekhoe:
but the fact remains that white people have lost the moral ground to separate right from wrong,

I'm not comfortable with this comment, it's outrageous and extremely offensive. and i can tag you as a racist here.

how do you know they have lost it? What facts/proofs do you have? Which criteria did you use to arrive at such conclusion.?

cekhoe:

and maybe I was lucky maybe the type I was given was the safe type, which ever way,the bottom line is I am talking from my own experience, if other circumcised women have a different experience they are welcome to share

Yes, you were lucky. And @the boldened, do you expect such women to come here and narrate their horrible experiences? That's impossible.

Those of you that are just ranting here in support of the practice are just lucky that yours wasn't grossly done.

sade1994:



Bros thanks for this comment. I'm a typical Yoruba girl and it's most likely that I'll circumcise my female children. Why coz I don't see any reason why I shouldn't.
God. .I'd met some crazy girls as an undergraduate. And they can't control their sexual desires . One very close to me showed me her clitoris(cli*to*ris). Jeez.. It was long Eh. Like a mini pe*nis. I just wished she was circumcised coz she was a very good lady but for her heightened sexual appetite.

So what should we do about male heightened sexual desires?

Dejideji1:

I'm not comfortable with this comment, it's outrageous and extremely offensive. and i can tag you as a racist here.

how do you know they have lost it? What facts/proofs do you have? Which criteria did you use to arrive at such conclusion.?



Yes, you were lucky. And @the boldened, do you expect such women to come here and narrate their horrible experiences? That's impossible.

Those of you that are just ranting here in support of the practice are just lucky that yours wasn't grossly done.

from sexual perverseness, and gay marriage, that is where I base my conclusion, what ever your opinion is, it's personal to you,and I have a right to my personal opinion too,so have a nice day, adios!

Memejem:
Are you in the medical profession? Yes or no?

And no. I'm not planning on cicumcising any of my children. If they get older and decide to do that to themselves that will be their decision.

No I'm not in the medical profession. Since you are there, please tell me how many cases of female genital cutting (botched) you have personally witnessed/attended to

cekhoe:
from sexual perverseness, and gay marriage, that is where I base my conclusion, what ever your opinion is, it's personal to you,and I have a right to my personal opinion too,so have a nice day, adios!

Those reasons you stated up there are anomalies which are not peculiar to white people alone, rather humans as a whole.

Do you want to tell me we don't have sexually perverted black people? What about gays? We even have them in Nigeria, inshort they are everywhere. Recently a popular black South African gay singer died of anal cancer.

This are all signs of the end time and it's happening everywhere so stop stereotyping and insulting a particular race.

Dejideji1:


Those reasons you stated up there are anomalies which are not peculiar to white people alone, rather humans as a whole.

Do you want to tell me we don't have sexually perverted black people? What about gays? We even have them in Nigeria, inshort they are everywhere. Recently a popular black South African gay singer died of anal cancer.

This are all signs of the end time and it's happening everywhere so stop stereotyping and insulting a particular race.

your opinion, I have said my own, call it whatever you want, it's my opinion, and I will continue to say it white people have lost the moral ground to determine right from wrong, simple

cekhoe:
your opinion, I have said my own, call it whatever you want, it's my opinion, and I will continue to say it white people have lost the moral ground to determine right from wrong, simple

Continue in your delusion. We have a lot of immoral practices going on in Nigeria yet you chose to overlook them and instead focused on the white people. Hypocrisy at its peak!

Dejideji1:


Continue in your delusion. We have a lot of immoral practices going on in Nigeria yet you chose to overlook them and instead focused on the white people. Hypocrisy at its peak!

I would rather be a Hypocrite than to be brainwashed to believe that people are born gay therefore implying that it can be genetically transferred from parent to offspring, I would rather be a Hypocrite than to be made to believe that a man taking injections to become a woman is normal

lexiconkabir:


I am in support of this particular FGM, because;

1.) It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.

2.) It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections

3.) It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.

see what WHO has to say about it in the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, published in 1979;

"With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted."

and you just quoted 1979 articles when Zahra Buhari, davido, don jazzy, wizkid were not born. update ursef

knostbrown01:


and you just quoted 1979 articles when Zahra Buhari, davido, don jazzy, wizkid were not born. update ursef

And you dont see sense in the reasons i enumerated as to why i support this particular FGM? Ever wondered why India has high crime rate? Anyway, do you see wisdom in circumcising males?

lexiconkabir:


And you dont see sense in the reasons i enumerated as to why i support this particular FGM? Ever wondered why India has high crime rate? Anyway, do you see wisdom in circumcising males?

most ppl got it mixed up, there is different between circumcision and mutilation.

There is no adverse effect when male children are circumcised but many health conditions listed above for female mutilation. if I started writing about the type u mentioned, nairaland server may be down