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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by pacretus(m): 12:51pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Henry240:Honestly,there's nothing i desire more than to see those alpha jets retired.And to think we are getting the tucano,is simply DAY DREAMNG.Just watch as Naf will quietly transform those super mushag,into a potent coin asset.with the kind of affection NAF has shown to those grand pa A-jets,they MIGHT not retire(remember innoson just got in the show). If u put my anticipation for the j17 thunders on a scale of hundred it will weigh 1000. Won't mind traveling all d way to makurdi to see those babies when they arrive. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 2:02pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
pacretus:Exactly what I was thinking. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by rugged7(m): 2:11pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
I still don't get how the Nigerian armed forces plan operations. An ISR surveys and identifies an area of interest with militants NAF sends air sorties based on actionable intelligence to take out these positions. BUT..... How about the follow up ![]() Shouldn't this be a tri-service operation? Shouldn't the navy and army cordoned off the area before hand? Shouldn't special operations teams be dropped into the area to attack residual forces that were not killed in the initial sorties. Shouldn't those special operations teams also not be canvassing for intelligence for financiers and HVTs. Hence shouldn't the DSS be involved in this operation as well ![]() It really baffles me how these operations are planned Henry240: |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:30pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Henry240:the video i saw showed one body being dragged but saw a crew ID of a female who was on board |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:41pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
This is why i love the MI-35, the Helicopter provides for 2 additional MG stations. The way Nigerian Air Force maximises this ability is beautiful. Nigerian Air Force MI-24V with window gunner 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:55pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
pacretus: I don't know if we are getting the Tucano, the report only states the U.S is considering selling the NAF 12 units of Super Tucano. So, they (U.S) could still cancel the order and we are left with nothing. Those Grand-Pa Alphas sure can fly fast though, i spotted one again this morning flying fast towards the west of the city. The Innoson deal is only for a replacement of parts, so i don't think it changes anything. The Alphas have now been in service for 38 years, they need to go. Lmao, I trust the NAF to release photos when the birds do finally come in. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:08pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:29pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
rugged7: There was a follow-up. While the Air Force did their thing, the Army and SBS came in and swept the place. The area has bee cordoned off. Let me look for photos. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:16pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
these people are back with their Trojan horse CAS HOLDS TALK WITH US GOVT DELEGATION ON ACQUISITION OF SUPER TUCCANO AIRCRAFT CAS, Air Mshl Abubakar and HQ NAF Branch Chiefs during the meeting with US delegation on the acquisition of Super Tucano by the NAF. So what happens if the Nigerian govenement decides to take a decision that's not in favor of the US?
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 5:19pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Henry240:Mr Henry it does appear the NAF is listening to your comments I received a tweet from the NAF showing the CAS with Senior American Airforce office stating they are currently in one on one talks about the procurement of the Tuscanoes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Adminisher: 6:07pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
jakeporeshenko: The risk management for the US is that they will sell bare bone Tucanoes (maybe fitted with only canons) and we will have to buy the other good stuff and retrofit. They will not block retrofitted offensive gear from other countries. The reason the US does this sometimes is not because they hate us but because we are currently classified amongst countries where democratic institution development is still a little poor and there are human rights criteria for Leahy law compliance. I am sure that only the dastardliness of Boko Haram has even "qualified" us for the Tucanoes at the current time and YES we may not be permitted to use it in the ND or in the SE. The US looks at Nigeria with matured , neutral , regional stability eyes and some of the decisions they take are influenced by CIVIL SERVANTS in the State Department instead of Politicians. For people blaming Obama and Clinton, you need to be less amateurish about how power is structured in the US. Nigeria needs to keep and pay lobbyists and PR firms in the US if we want to get good things out of Washington. It is just a fact we have to live with. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:25pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Adminisher: "permitted" ? because they sell a plane to us so they'll tell us how and when we can use them? I believe its all about political will power and how interested they are in the matter, the US sells very potent platforms to countries with far worse human right standards than Nigeria. personally i believe if they are not ready to give us an advanced version they should keep their turbo prop plane. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by pacretus(m): 6:43pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
jakeporeshenko:We might be getting the tuccanoes afterall.How this will happen will be an interesting drama.and it will render my conclusions on America's dealings with Nigeria Inconclusive. Only these birds will force Naf to put the A-jets where they belong.(in the museum). 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Adminisher: 7:26pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
jakeporeshenko: I think we will get what Afghanistan got. Boko Haram is worse than Taleban and ISIS and armed Fulani Herdsmen militants are classified by some US agencies as more deadly than BH. If they don't include PGM capability, we can get it through Elbit although there will bevery few instances we need to use PGMs . Super Tucanoes tick a lot of boxes for Nigeria - methodical border patrol, internal security, some limited ISR, data link relay, basic training after Super Mushak, ..even search and rescue and UAV research observation. They carry super accurate canons and good machine guns, dumb rockets and PGMs can be rigged in. This is Nigeria 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Adminisher: 7:33pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
jakeporeshenko: I disagree on the Alpha Jet. We should extend their operation another ten years, get some PGM capability and buy more from German Air force stocks. We have developed world leading core competency on this Aircraft and many European Airforces are still using them. It is the only fast mission time COIN aircraft we have now and wearn have mastered quick accurate targeting with data coming from ISR aircraft. How many African countries do you think can do this now?. Super Tucanoes can do its own ISR and attack on its own but the aircraft is slower and the weapons on board lighter. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by rugged7(m): 7:57pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
You people have started this america ass kissing again... Americans that sell weapons to terrorists in syria and terror states like saudi arabia Yet balk @ selling to nigeria When will Nigerians learn that america is not their friend ![]() They will hold all these meetings and NOTHING will happen Adminisher: 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 8:47pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
pacretus:It should be useful for AFIT students. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 8:51pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Adminisher:what!!!extend what!?! c'mon man...I would protest naked on the street if this advice is followed 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:43pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
jakeporeshenko: Only problem been, the US Air Force does not and cannot influence the sale of the Super-Tucano to Nigeria. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by pacretus(m): 9:48pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Odunayaw:what da ***.o men! U not gonna do that right ![]() I min how u go fill wen ur blockos starts oscillating wit kids everywhere staring.?.i'm sure GRAND PA..will slowly but surely be retired.LOL 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:48pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
LTGEN: Yeah, as i was just saying, i don't see how the U.S air force would influence the sale of Tucanos to Nigeria. In my opinion, we aren't talking to the right people. Anyway, I'd love to be enlightened though. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:54pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
jakeporeshenko: We are going to get the same variant Afghanistan got. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:07pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Adminisher: I do agree, if we get the Tucano, it would be the same version Afganistan uses. However it is simply not true to say Boko-Haram is more deadly than ISIS or Taliban. ISIS militants are a cordinated fighting force, with former Generals in their ranks. They are armed with Anti-Tank, Anti-Air missiles. The Tucanos for Afghanistan can deliver PGMs. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:21pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
Adminisher: I completely disagree. It's the same argument with keeping the AK-47. There are the L-15 and M-346 that can replace the Alpha jet. Those planes are not needed. They should instead be transferred to a display team, try bring in additional money for the Air force. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:28pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
pacretus: I agree, the Alpha jets have to go today. Almost 40 years in NAF service, that's enough. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:44pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 10:58pm On Aug 02, 2016 |
pacretus:lol...was joking bruh but those jets are older than some Nigerian universities 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 2:48am On Aug 03, 2016 |
Henry240:The US Military as per the Constitution stays Strictly Neutral on POLITICAL ISSUES so the presence of a team of USAAF Senior officers indicates the level of seriousness attached to this process,it also indicates the waivers concerning the Leahy act might of been partially achieved. America does not send a one Star General on Junkets, if the State Dept said no He wouldn't be here. As a General he would of come to communicate the Military concerns if the procurement goes through namely Logistics for spares, training of Pilots, Nigeria's needs I.e. how many Planes.He is not authorized to discuss anything political because that is not his territory. Just like any other country America has it's own interests, likewise Nigeria it appears there interests are converging.By all accounts these are very Good planes, if Nigeria can get them they should emotions aside .Nigeria needs more birds in the Sky, needs to police it's borders effectively. The Alpha Jets will be phased out as the Economy gets better,a lot is going to happen it is just going to take time. Lastly the Taliban controls huge swaths of the South notably Kandahar , Boko Haram even by independent observers control barely a sliver of 1~2LGA which if pursued will run to Niger or Cameroon , there really is no Military comparisons. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 5:48am On Aug 03, 2016 |
Henry240:That's why in my initial reply I said it was "too light". Adding armour will reduce the mobility of the vehicle. Non-state actors in Africa I think you'll agree with me that I modern times are well armed. Unlike the days when rebels were only armed with weapons they could carry. The rebels in Mali caused France to deploy fighters, IFVs, armoured cars, artillery etc |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 5:49am On Aug 03, 2016 |
Henry240:Those A4 sized badges! 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 5:53am On Aug 03, 2016 |
Henry240:By deadly I'm sure they aren't referring to capabilities. Also I'm sceptical about the sources of information used on the Nigerian side. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 5:59am On Aug 03, 2016 |
Henry240:Shouldn't that be a bit worrying? |
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