"FAITH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IT MAKES MIRACLES. STAY BLESSED"

AnonyNymous:
If we can't use logic I.e what we can understand, then how are we supposed to know which one is right? After all, all religions defy logic and depend on faith. So how sure are we that the particular one we choose is right? Ate we supposed to gamble? Or is it some 'fuzzy feeling in our heart' that will tell us Jesus and not Zoroaster or Lao Tse or Mohammed, is right?

AnonyNymous:
If we can't use logic I.e what we can understand, then how are we supposed to know which one is right? After all, all religions defy logic and depend on faith. So how sure are we that the particular one we choose is right? Ate we supposed to gamble? Or is it some 'fuzzy feeling in our heart' that will tell us Jesus and not Zoroaster or Lao Tse or Mohammed, is right?

AnonyNymous:
If we can't use logic I.e what we can understand, then how are we supposed to know which one is right? After all, all religions defy logic and depend on faith. So how sure are we that the particular one we choose is right? Ate we supposed to gamble? Or is it some 'fuzzy feeling in our heart' that will tell us Jesus and not Zoroaster or Lao Tse or Mohammed, is right?

peacesamuel94:
The point I was trying to drive home, by the above post is that you cant understand God from afar off, you will have to get closer to him to know him. if i try to answer your question as an atheist you will regard it to be senseless because you will end up viewing it using the spectacle of human logic

peacesamuel94:

From my own point of view I believe, that the bible is a book that defies logic, and the existence of God can never be proven by logic( Isaiah 55 vs 9).

But for the fact that God's existence cannot be logically proven does not mean that that he does not exist, I believe it is shallow mindedness to assert that God does not exist simply because you can't prove it logically

Man thinks in a box called logic. And God operates in a manner higher than that box which when man cannot understand he terms it foolishness (1st Corinthians 1vs 25),When someone tries to understand Calculus using his knowledge in primary school mathematics, such a person's effort will surely end in futility. thats exactly what happens when you read the Bible using canal knowledge.

I will summarize by saying that God is a spirit and if you must worship you do it in spirit and in truth, The Bible is not logical, even the first sentence of the Bible makes understand that fact. But someone rightly said this and I believe him "FAITH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IT MAKES MIRACLES. STAY BLESSED!

kilo4sure:

Zoroaster and laoTse to the best of my knowledge do not demand that you must believe in them and neither of them claim their religion is the only right one. In Christianity, Jesus only states that you must believe in him as the one who brings the kingdom of God to you, this message is primarily in a Jewish context but can be applied equally to all who want to make a new start and who long for the reign of God on earth. This has nothing to do with religion, but religion has encompassed this message and played a great role in its spread. Jesus hardly said his religion was better than another religion, you can accept Christ without necessarily clinging to dogma,though without dogma the message may not have been protected for long. So you are not under any pressure, take your time to follow the path you find as the best, and which you think would work for you( this however is from an assumption that you believe in God, and you just want the right religon to choose).

peacesamuel94:
Man thinks in a box called logic. And God operates in a manner higher than that box which when man cannot understand he terms it foolishness (1st Corinthians 1vs 25) When someone tries to understand Calculus using his knowledge in primary school mathematics, such a person's effort will surely end in futility. thats exactly what happens when you read the Bible using canal knowledge. I will summarize by saying that God is a spirit and if you must worship you do it in spirit and in truth, The Bible is not logical, even the first sentence of the Bible makes understand that fact. But someone rightly said this and I believe him "FAITH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IT MAKES MIRACLES. STAY BLESSED!

hopefulLandlord:


Thank you

Its actually a gamble

They hope they're right

But they also wanna take as many people as possible down with them if they end up wrong

peacesamuel94:
down to where sir

MetaHuman:
You cannot logically prove spiderman exist, but does he?

If I give you stone as a cure for headache and asked you to have faith that it would work, would you?

PastorAIO:


Okunrin Meta. 3 in 1. Holy Trinity.

Nothing to say... I just dey hail because I like your name. Shalom.

kilo4sure:

Zoroaster and laoTse to the best of my knowledge do not demand that you must believe in them and neither of them claim their religion is the only right one. In Christianity, Jesus only states that you must believe in him as the one who brings the kingdom of God to you, this message is primarily in a Jewish context but can be applied equally to all who want to make a new start and who long for the reign of God on earth. This has nothing to do with religion, but religion has encompassed this message and played a great role in its spread. Jesus hardly said his religion was better than another religion, you can accept Christ without necessarily clinging to dogma,though without dogma the message may not have been protected for long. So you are not under any pressure, take your time to follow the path you find as the best, and which you think would work for you( this however is from an assumption that you believe in God, and you just want the right religon to choose).

TomHagen:
Really? Have you read the Koran? Who are the infidels?

kilo4sure:

Well you are right though, Islam seems to be the only religion with a book that outrightly threatens people of other faiths with hell fire and vividly describes hell fire, that is why l never spoke about Muhammed in the post you responded to. It however doesn't concern me what they believe, since l believe it is not true, hence l worry less about that.

PastorAIO:


Actually the whole hell fire thing was started by Zoroaster. Or at least by the the priests that added to the religion after he died.

In fact most of these elements that we find in judaism christianity islam, had their origins in the Zoroastrian faith.

PastorAIO:



You say that a student cannot understand Calculus with primary school mathematics. But what you are missing is that there is nothing that he will learn in Calculus that will contradict what he learned in Primary school maths.

Calculus builds upon and is based upon the basic building blocks that we learn in Primary school maths.

On the other hand, this higher manner of God/bible is found to be totally at odds with Logic. It's got to be one or the other. Either you throw Logic away and follow the higher manner, or you accept Logic with all it's flaws and trust it's fundamental when you read the bible.

By fundamentals I mean things like Mutual Exclusivity of certain events. i.e if Jesus died at 6 pm then he couldn't have died at 3pm too. These two times of death are mutually exclusive.

PastorAIO:



You say that a student cannot understand Calculus with primary school mathematics. But what you are missing is that there is nothing that he will learn in Calculus that will contradict what he learned in Primary school maths.

Calculus builds upon and is based upon the basic building blocks that we learn in Primary school maths.

On the other hand, this higher manner of God/bible is found to be totally at odds with Logic. It's got to be one or the other. Either you throw Logic away and follow the higher manner, or you accept Logic with all it's flaws and trust it's fundamental when you read the bible.

By fundamentals I mean things like Mutual Exclusivity of certain events. i.e if Jesus died at 6 pm then he couldn't have died at 3pm too. These two times of death are mutually exclusive.

PastorAIO:



You say that a student cannot understand Calculus with primary school mathematics. But what you are missing is that there is nothing that he will learn in Calculus that will contradict what he learned in Primary school maths.

Calculus builds upon and is based upon the basic building blocks that we learn in Primary school maths.

On the other hand, this higher manner of God/bible is found to be totally at odds with Logic. It's got to be one or the other. Either you throw Logic away and follow the higher manner, or you accept Logic with all it's flaws and trust it's fundamental when you read the bible.

By fundamentals I mean things like Mutual Exclusivity of certain events. i.e if Jesus died at 6 pm then he couldn't have died at 3pm too. These two times of death are mutually exclusive.

peacesamuel94:
When you are a musician and trying to understand Rocket science, thats not foolishness, thats just knowledge above you.

peacesamuel94:
How convenient, He wants to have a close relationship with us but makes himself extremely unavailiabl But you rarely spend precious time arguing about how unreal the spaghetti monster, fairy godmother and the likes are. So what makes Christianity so special. Why is it that your posts on the fallibility of the Christian belief is on a higher percentage compared to your other posts on nairaland, if at all you write about anything else.

peacesamuel94:
You are right,but you will agree with me that a child that trusts so much on his infinitesimal knowledge of basic or elementary mathematics to the extent of debunking the reality of Calculus just because he cannot understand it yet, has a shallow mindset. My point actually is, the fact that logic does not correlate with supernatural occurrences is not enough to debunk it's reality, I've seen a lot of in explainable events but that does not prevent them from being real. Man's knowledge is too limited for him to feel that his inability to explain something directly means that, the thing is not real. There are a lot of things that science is yet to discover. Only fools doubt proofs

the fact that logic does not correlate with supernatural occurrences is not enough to debunk it's reality

PastorAIO:


What about a Rocket Scientists trying to understand music? Let the rocket scientist first come and blow trumpet before claiming higher knowledge.

In the world of knowledge there are various areas of expertise. It is ridiculous to say that one is higher than the other.





I believe the reason why atheists make a big deal of the nonexistence of God is sociopolitical. If christians just stayed at home and worshipped and preached in privacy I'm sure that there would be no problem.

But their beliefs have become an issue of national significance because no one can continue their daily lives peacefully without becoming a victim of the extreme nuisance that religion in Nigeria. There is no moment of peace and quiet because christians are making noisy nuisance on almost every street in the land. State resources are being spent on such rubbish as religious Pilgramages. Local streets and thorough fares are being blocked to the chagrin of other residents. Religion is an all round public nuisance and as such become a matter of interest for everybody. This is not the case with spaghetti monster.

Take the Schizophrenic that is locked up in psychiatric ward for instance. Nobody is believing that his fantasies are real. He is certified deluded. Yet plenty of resources are spent on curing him from his delusions. Delusions can become a matter of public interest when they affect public issues.

peacesamuel94:
First and foremost christians don't preach for the sake of fun or to make noise. the motive behind the preaching is love. If trying to save your fellow human beings from eternal damnation is now termed nuisance then it is a necessary nuisance. Industrial activities causes pollution, yet it continues despite the nuisance it causes, hence christians are ready to risk causing nuisance to save them from damnation. cheers!

peacesamuel94:
But you rarely spend precious time arguing about how unreal the spaghetti monster, fairy godmother and the likes are. So what makes Christianity so special. Why is it that your posts on the fallibility of the Christian belief is on a higher percentage compared to your other posts on nairaland, if at all you write about anything else.

PastorAIO:



So when you hear of people complaining about global warming and attempting to reduce pollution by limiting industrial activities what do you think is going on?

I dispute the claim that the reason that Christians go around making such nuisances of themselves is out of love. That is such a lie.

People warn of global catastrophe and try to save humanity from impending doom, but before we take them seriously we require proof. Those that want to save the world from global warming are required to produce scientific proof that the world is warming up dangerously. Even after the produce the evidences, these are still disputed and argued over.

But Nuisance christians, Na Lie. No evidence, no proof, no logic, just utter baselessness, yet you insist of being a nuisance. haba! Why na?


If it's true that it is love that is making you disturb people at all hours then why do you not help people in material need. Even within the church christians are not loving to each other and it is patently clear to see, so what nonsense are you guys talking about when you talk about love.

hopefulLandlord:
This thread is very interesting and mature