M0ron:
So an atheist minding their own business coming across the Theists doing their thing panics and hurls invectives to either stop them or dominate them and feel safe.

Seun:

Please provide some actual examples of this alleged behaviour. Also, you are either a theist or an atheist yourself, you know. Are you insecure?

Primesky:
It seems some people enjoy seeing theists and atheists engage in E- war. I am a Christian, I am secure and I feel secured. I do not hate atheists as individuals, rather, I pray to see them come to the truth about their source which is God.

chemystery:
We are not against theist. We are only against their evil and ridiculous ideas. Like this one:

hopefulLandlord:
I'm an atheist, I have no animosity towards theists, I have animosity towards religious belief. I'm of the strong opinion that religious belief is detrimental to the human race and any benefit people think religion is the only source of actually has other sources but people can't be arsed to finding them

I don't hurl invectives at theists either

I guess I can only speak for myself though

M0ron:

Religious belief is not held by dogs or trees but by people,by theists. So your animosity for theism is easily mistaken for animosity towards Theists

M0ron:

I am a Christian who enjoys sparring with atheists

M0ron:
It’s simple.
Both sides are immensely insecure with their beliefs or lack thereof.
They need constant reassurances that they are right and the other side wrong.
Beneath this bravado you see here is real fear of being wrong.

So an atheist minding their own business coming across the Theists doing their thing panics and hurls invectives to either stop them or dominate them and feel safe.

Similarly, Theists doing their thing come cross atheists challenging their thing and they throw tantrums.

Anas09:

Sorry dear, i have no insecurities as to whether or not my God exist. If you have been and seen what i have seen, you'd understand what i mean.


I don't need reassuring to know Jesus is alive.

NPComplete:


So, in essence, this thread is just a projection of your own insecurities.

M0ron:

I am a Christian who enjoys sparring with atheists

Primesky:


OK, that's your decision. But Jesus didn't ask us to win arguments and quarrels, rather, He asked us to win souls.

Primesky:


OK, that's your decision. But Jesus didn't ask us to win arguments and quarrels, rather, He asked us to win souls.

chemystery:

[s]Jesus actually ask some people to win arguments and if they can't, they should introduce some lying and trolling skills. You can confirm from folks like butterflyleo, felixomor, winner01, kingebukasblog, and the rest.[/s]

M0ron:


This is not projection but fact. Why would you burn midnight oil barking at those who don’t share your worldview?

NPComplete:


So this thread is a fact about your own insecurities. Okay.

Primesky:


OK, that's your decision. But Jesus didn't ask us to win arguments and quarrels, rather, He asked us to win souls.

HappyPagan:

Which is even worse. If you can't win the arguments, win the mind, the very seat of reason.

Then I will begin to reason and speak like you. Sinister.

Primesky:

Understand the context of my position. We argue but that's not the aim of our engaging you. If you choose not to accept the truth we preach, we let you be, after all, it's a choice.

Primesky:

But that can hardly be said of the non born again. You can pass across the message of hope, love and salvation without fighting with words. There are no other arguments other than what the bible has presented.

Primesky:

Apostle Paul very well 'argued' with the jews and others, but not in a hostile manner. That's not what Jesus asked us to do. But that's not to say, if you bring up falsehood about my faith and God's word, I will fold my hands and watch you, I will defend my faith and reprove you.

Primesky:

The difference between the born again and the non born again in this context, is in the way they interact. While one will curse and abuse, armtwist and bend facts and truth all in a bid to win an argument because you wouldn't accept his position, the born again will maintain his position in love and respect knowing he/she is dealing with what cannot be gainsayed.

chemystery:

Jesus actually ask some people to win arguments and if they can't, they should introduce some lying and trolling skills. You can confirm from folks like butterflyleo, felixomor, winner01, kingebukasblog, and the rest.

HappyPagan:

And therein lies the problem, you believe that what you preach is TRUTH. And the rest of us who do not share this 'belief' are doomed to eternal fire. It's this eternal fire you choose to save us from, the reason you go public with your private beliefs.

There's no 'choice' when you claim to have 'TRUTH'. By default, you term me a liar, a lover of falsehood. My non-belief in your religion makes me damned. The 'choice' you give me is an illusion.


This is cool.


Okay.


Aight.

Primesky:


Jesus never asked anybody to that. We have no need of lying to defend the truth. Whether you believe it or not, the truth cannot be gainsayed and nothing can be done against the truth.

If I argue with you, it is not because I must win the argument, which unfortunately, is what most atheists do. My aim is that you get saved. That shouldn't make me do everything at all cost including lying, twisting, cursing and insulting all in a bid to win an argument.

I accept that not all persons will accept the truth I present, which is rather unfortunate for such. However, I will not by wisdom of man try to convince any man. The Holy Spirit of God is able to do that with the simple undeniable truth of God's word.

That said, I want you to know that Jesus Christ loves you and He's willing to save you today if you come to Him. Shalom.

M0ron:


You must REASON with others, how else do you win souls,by osmosis?

chemystery:

Atheist don't even want to argue. We only want to make the theists think and also teach them how to think. It is only the theist that wants to win argument for their god. Even if it entails lying to achieve that.

What truth do you have to present if not versions of stories told about your own version of god you were indoctrinated with. You would as well want to tell us another "truth" if you had been born in a family that believes in another version of stories told about another version of god.

Hahahahahaha! Jesus is willing to save me from what he will do to me if I don't believe that he is willing to save me from what he will do to me....

Primesky:


I suppose you know the difference between 'arguments and quarrels' and 'reasoning'. I responded to your position that you like 'sparring' with athiests. That for me, is uncharitable and unchristian.Yes we argue, but not to win at all cost to the point of insulting, abusing, and like you said sparring with others.

We are not at war with the person of the athiest, which includes his soul, but against his ideology and believe. Care must be taken therefore not to present the message and gospel of peace to them in a hash and violent manner because, that's not what it is. Yes,
there are grave consequences if they don't repent. This must be made clear to them as well that is the complete truth. Sometimes we plead with them, sometimes we stanly warn them. They are not completely lost yet, except God says so, so you need to tread carefully in other not to play them into the hands of the devil.

You can be sure that some of these athiests, will one day become great preachers of God's word. You and I can not tell how God will do that. All we have to do is to passionately pass across the word in its truth and entirety even when it sounds stupid, foolish and unappealing. The world has always seen the gospel like that, but with the Holy Spirit of God, the hardest and toughest of hearts, have been brought down to their knees before Jesus Christ, including reknown athiests. It was never skillful arguments, but by the power of God working with a simple message of salvation.

Sometimes, you as a Christian, may lose an argument, but the word of truth you've given remains with the receiver and can be used by the Holy Spirit without your knowledge. After giving out the word, all you can do next is to pray for them. That's all.
If they bring up falsehood, you counter it, again with love and respect. Remember, you are a new creature, with a different lifestyle and character. That must be clearly expressed too.

The athiest as an individual is not my enemy even when he abuses and curses me, rather, his ideology and believes which is of the devil is my enemy. That's what I need to attack, not the person, because my aim is to save the person and destroy the wicked believe. It's like trying to save a scorpion from the rain, it will attack you, but you must remain who you are regardless.

May the Lord grant us grace to labour in the field of souls with love.

chemystery:

Atheist don't even want to argue. We only want to make the theists think and also teach them how to think . It is only the theist that wants to win argument for their god. Even if it entails lying to achieve that.

What truth do you have to present if not versions of stories told about your own version of god you were indoctrinated with. You would as well want to tell us another "truth" if you had been born in a family that believes in another version of stories told about another version of god.

Hahahahahaha! Jesus is willing to save me from what he will do to me if I don't believe that he is willing to save me from what he will do to me....

M0ron:


You can’t win a soul without talking to them. Atheists have genuine questions that you take for granted. They have doubts about your God nd about scriptures. Sparring with atheists is the starting point.

God may save them I agree,but does that means we shouldn’t listen to and even attempt to share our faith to them?

That’s escapist