africaken254:
off topic a russian Mi-8AMTSh helicopter with President-S' countermeasure fitted was shot down in syria yesterday

There's no magic weapon system in this world.

MikeCZA:
There's no magic weapon system in this world.

chances are ack ack took it out , it was on a humanitarian mission , some saying a female was present, if true i hope she died on crash otherwise she is gonna go through living hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_a_OEukz4

NTA sha!

MikeCZA:
Those A4 sized badges!

Lol....really the badges are too big

nemesis2u:


chances are ack ack took it out , it was on a humanitarian mission , some saying a female was present, if true i hope she died on crash otherwise she is gonna go through living hell.

I guess its still unconfirmed

MikeCZA:
Shouldn't that be a bit worrying?

How can having the ability to deploy more lead be worrying?

It's a fantastic ability to have.

MikeCZA:
Those A4 sized badges!

Read what's on the page, you'll see all his qualifications.

MikeCZA:
That's why in my initial reply I said it was "too light".

Adding armour will reduce the mobility of the vehicle.

Non-state actors in Africa I think you'll agree with me that I modern times are well armed. Unlike the days when rebels were only armed with weapons they could carry.

The rebels in Mali caused France to deploy fighters, IFVs, armoured cars, artillery etc

It depends on the type of armour. Adding a light weight, more flexible armour wouldn't affect the vehicles overall mobility.

Non-state actors are now better armed, however not as well armed as similar actors in the Middle-East, at least not yet.


The French deployed all that stuff just as a show off. They didn't require a lot of those systems they deployed. Take the Tchadians for an example, they didn't even deploy 1/4 of the equipment the French deployed, but you'll agree with me that through out the entire campaign they (Tchadians) were just as successful as the French.


Photo related, Israel's new 8x8 APC.

Henry240:


Read what's on the page, you'll see all his qualifications.

his got ten qualifications but can't dat qualifications b somehow compressed ?

Henry240:

How can having the ability to deploy more lead be worrying?

It's a fantastic ability to have.

Meant having young pilots.

MikeCZA:
Meant having young pilots.

Yeah.... To be honest, i think it's quite worrying. However on the flip side, it means the NAF has a steady stream of young pilots it graduates across the board, who would have many more years to give to the Nigerian Air Force.

Henry240:





Photo related, Israel's new 8x8 APC.

if a RPG is launched at the right side of the APC near the tyre that place seems exposed won't it cause a severe damage

IS appoints new West Africa leader

Tomi Oladipo
BBC Africa security correspondent
Posted at
10:52
The so-called Islamic State (IS) jihadist group has announced a new leader for its West African branch, popularly known as Boko Haram.

The latest issue of an IS magazine featured what it called its first interview with Abu Musab al-Barnawi, who replaces the eccentric Abubakar Shekau.

In a video clip released in January 2015, Mr al-Barnawi described himself as the spokesman for Boko Haram. This was before the Nigeria-based jihadist group pledged allegiance to IS.

Now IS says he has replaced Mr Shekau, who has not made a verified appearance in any video since August 2015.

Henry240:


It depends on the type of armour. Adding a light weight, more flexible armour wouldn't affect the vehicles overall mobility.

Non-state actors are now better armed, however not as well armed as similar actors in the Middle-East, at least not yet.


The French deployed all that stuff just as a show off. They didn't require a lot of those systems they deployed. Take the Tchadians for an example, they didn't even deploy 1/4 of the equipment the French deployed, but you'll agree with me that through out the entire campaign they (Tchadians) were just as successful as the French.


Photo related, Israel's new 8x8 APC.

They needed all that equipment.

As you can see this APC is a heavy 8×8 vehicle not in the class of the Mbombe 6×6. It is in the class of the Denel vehicles systems RG-41 APC.

Chad's success relied on the French.

rugged7:
IS appoints new West Africa leader

Tomi Oladipo
BBC Africa security correspondent
Posted at
10:52
The so-called Islamic State (IS) jihadist group has announced a new leader for its West African branch, popularly known as Boko Haram.

The latest issue of an IS magazine featured what it called its first interview with Abu Musab al-Barnawi, who replaces the eccentric Abubakar Shekau.

In a video clip released in January 2015, Mr al-Barnawi described himself as the spokesman for Boko Haram. This was before the Nigeria-based jihadist group pledged allegiance to IS.

Now IS says he has replaced Mr Shekau, who has not made a verified appearance in any video since August 2015.

There's no IS brunch in west Africa.

rawswag:
if a RPG is launched at the right side of the APC near the tyre that place seems exposed won't it cause a severe damage

It will keep going and return fire.

MikeCZA:
They needed all that equipment.

As you can see this APC is a heavy 8×8 vehicle not in the class of the Mbombe 6×6. It is in the class of the Denel vehicles systems RG-41 APC.

Chad's success relied on the French.

It's insincere to claim Tchadian success relied on the French. Tchadian superiority of local knowledge of the area, local intel were the deciding factors. Infact, the Tchadians had a more successful campaign in Mali than the French with all their equipment.

I've seen 3 Documentaries on French operations in Mali, and have read local accounts. The French went to Mali with all that equipment primarily to show off. Nothing else!


I mean in one of the documentaries 200 French paratroopers (Special Infantry) could not take on 13 local jihadist. The Paras had to call in Helicopter support and Caesar artillery.

The French Paras had, their automatic weapons (Famas), FN-Minimi, High-powered sniper rifles and commando mortars.


The French did not need all that equipment in Mali.


The APC has heavier Armour, but it's mobility isn't compromised. That's the point I'm trying to make.

patches689:


You havent done much shooting have you?

If you are guessing the distance and shooting down-hill at a moving target, its pretty damn tough

Also, the bullets were landing at the same time you hear the shot. Which means he was close. I bet he had zeroed for a much longer range

Exactly! People put too much importance in these 2 mn yt videos without context. Its not as easy as it looks.

61mech:



The problem is the 100 round drum. Causes stoppages. That's why the Singapore army runs it with mags. The original R-4 50 round mag was meant for the planned heavy barrel R-4 that was never adopted. We didn't have that many problems with the 50 rounders as long as you download them to 40-45. They might just be getting old now. Mags don't last forever. The 35 round mag also had to be downloaded to 30 for it to function properly.

Personally, i don't like the 5.56 saw concept and you can see the countries involved in Afghanistan/Iraq now having buyer's regret. If your squad can't handle the weight, you have a fitness problem not a caliber one. Mujahideen hump 7.62 PKM over mountain ranges all day long on a loaf of flatbread.
Here's a pick of the r4 heavy as well as the new denel 20mm belt fed.

When the KDF gave up the tried and tested G3 for the M16 A4,4 years back just as the US was complaining about 5.56 mm performance in Afpak I was majorly disappointed. You should've been here a few pages back when everyone was yelping about their fav bullpup rifle not knowing those pea shooters are useless beyond 300 metres or in thick bush or grass.
Btw,am I the only one who finds those rifles hideous-seriously!?

nemesis2u:


chances are ack ack took it out , it was on a humanitarian mission , some saying a female was present, if true i hope she died on crash otherwise she is gonna go through living hell.

it was later confirmed their was no female crew member on the chopper

Henry240:


It depends on the type of armour. Adding a light weight, more flexible armour wouldn't affect the vehicles overall mobility.

Non-state actors are now better armed, however not as well armed as similar actors in the Middle-East, at least not yet.


The French deployed all that stuff just as a show off. They didn't require a lot of those systems they deployed. Take the Tchadians for an example, they didn't even deploy 1/4 of the equipment the French deployed, but you'll agree with me that through out the entire campaign they (Tchadians) were just as successful as the French.


Photo related, Israel's new 8x8 APC.

Isreal does not worry about mobility. Hence why they feild the Namer... how much does this thing weigh in at?

patches689:


Isreal does not worry about mobility. Hence why they feild the Namer... how much does this thing weigh in at?

It weighs in at under 35 Tons, and flies at 95KM/H, carries 12. It would be armed with a 30mm or 40mm turret. So as you can sea, the Israelis do care about mobility.

Henry240:


It's insincere to claim Tchadian success relied on the French. Tchadian superiority of local knowledge of the area, local intel were the deciding factors. Infact, the Tchadians had a more successful campaign in Mali than the French with all their equipment.

I've seen 3 Documentaries on French operations in Mali, and have read local accounts. The French went to Mali with all that equipment primarily to show off. Nothing else!


I mean in one of the documentaries 200 French paratroopers (Special Infantry) could not take on 13 local jihadist. The Paras had to call in Helicopter support and Caesar artillery.

The French Paras had, their automatic weapons (Famas), FN-Minimi, High-powered sniper rifles and commando mortars.


The French did not need all that equipment in Mali.


The APC has heavier Armour, but it's mobility isn't compromised. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Thats an incredibly bad interpretation. Ludicrous infact.

And no, the Tchadians did not do more than the French. The French captured Timbuktu and Gao single highhandedly, Chad only played a supporting role in the operation in Kidal, only moving in when the French had completed their air-assault.

Every single major engagement was fought by the French, every single stronghold captured was done so by the French.

The French moved from one end of Mali to the other, they had long supply lines to secure thus long range high mobility arty was essential.

Saying you brought to much firepower to a war, this... like... seriously brah?

Finally, you add more armor, you lose mobility. Laws of physics dictate this.

tdayof:
[img]http://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*2o_NtqD7DAOU8jHv-qnGlQ.jpeg[/img]
Nigeria’s Tiny, Low-Tech Alpha Jets Have Flown in Brutal Wars Across Africa
Now the former training jets are blasting Boko Haram
On the morning of June 19, 2016, seven Toyota Hilux trucks manned by Boko Haram fighters lay in wait near Daira Noro, Borno State in northeastern Nigeria.
Members of a fundamentalist insurgency infamous for its terrorist attacks and kidnappings of young girls, the fighters had recently been chased out of their camps in Sambisa forest by an African multi-national task force.
As the African forces advanced north in pursuit, the Boko Haram fighters had prepared a road-side ambush under tree cover. Two of their trucks were armed with heavy machine guns.

The distant whine of small airplane engines sounded overhead. An unarmed civilian plane flew by.
Then suddenly, a small twin-engine fighter — an Alpha Jet — came screaming over the horizon. Radioed the position of the Boko Haram fighters by the unarmed plane — actually a King Air 350 surveillance aircraft — the Alpha Jet unleashed a barrage of rockets on the concealed ambush, followed by 250-pound bombs and strafing runs.
The Toyotas were all destroyed and the ambush force thrown into chaos.
Nigerian ground forces followed close on the heels of the jet and chased off the survivors. They counted 15 bodies and two abandoned rocket-propelled grenades.
The Alpha Jet has a reputation for excellent low-speed handling and being very forgiving for novice pilots — in fact, the French air force’s only complaint was that it was actually too easy for trainees, who received a nasty shock when they graduated to more difficult-to-handle combat aircraft.
Most military Alpha Jets have been used in their original intended role — as jet trainers. The Moroccan air force, however, employed some of theirs in its war against the Polisario rebels in Western Sahara.
It’s the Nigerian air force, however, that has made the most combat use of the type. Nigeria reportedly acquired its initial 24 aircraft — nicknamed “A-Jets” — from Germany, but additional aircraft have been acquired over the years. Most of those photographed appear to be the French models.

Rest at https://warisboring.com/nigerias-tiny-low-tech-alpha-jets-have-flown-in-brutal-wars-across-africa-5d843265d1b8#.drdnj3niy

This is still an excellent platform;cheap to maintain also. The KAF used the hawk jets.



But the cost of spares! They were mothballed over a decade ago for that reason. IIRC there were 8.

Imo,the Alpha makers made a major blunder not producing a mk 2. Now the market is much tougher with K8s,Su 25s and Hawks,despite it having certain advantages like cheaper maintenance, speed and 2 engines over the latter.

Henry240:


It weighs in at under 35 Tons, and flies at 95KM/H.

Mbombe is lighter, faster and I well bet that it has better range. Speed can be your armor.

You dont know the range, or its offroad performance so you cant really say anything about mobility.

You can get a heavy IFV... but dont be suprised when people with lighter faster vehicles run rings around you. Isreal does not need to worry about mobility... they fight their wars 30min from their army bases in very confined operational areas. When more info comes out, I know that it will reflect this.

For refrence, during the later years of the border war, one of our Mechanised Battalions did a 250km advance-to-contact. Now think about this, they had to drive 250km away from friendly lines (allready inside Angola) and into no-mans land before they ran into their first enemy.

The term "mobility" itself does not only relate to the vehicles characteristics, but to the vehicles ability to operate in the feild without re-supply. Supply trucks are slow, re-fueling in the feild is a tedious and dangerous process, you have to protect your supply vehicles which ties up men, and slows down re-supply even more... which slows down your IFV's even more etc etc etc

700km range is a minimum... Its the one thing I dislike about the Badger, its range is not as good as the Ratels.

Nam-Marines

MikeCZA:
Those A4 sized badges!

Ddz dude en!

Posted by Proforce. Do they have any joint work with Toyota?

tdayof:
Posted by Proforce. Do they have any joint work with Toyota?

proforce have clients that use brands e.g Toyota,Mercedes even innoson...so all they do for d client is armor it to d clients specs

patches689:


Isreal does not worry about mobility. Hence why they feild the Namer... how much does this thing weigh in at?

30,000 to 35,000 kg,it will have active protection system thus no need to add more armour

patches689:


Thats an incredibly bad interpretation. Ludicrous infact.

And no, the Tchadians did not do more than the French. The French captured Timbuktu and Gao single highhandedly, Chad only played a supporting role in the operation in Kidal, only moving in when the French had completed their air-assault.

Every single major engagement was fought by the French, every single stronghold captured was done so by the French.

The French moved from one end of Mali to the other, they had long supply lines to secure thus long range high mobility arty was essential.

Saying you brought to much firepower to a war, this... like... seriously brah?

Finally, you add more armor, you lose mobility. Laws of physics dictate this.

No. The French did not do more than Tchad in Mali. The enemy did not pose a significant resistance in Timbucktu or Gao, they retreated to the mountains. Only a trickle came back and fought Malian and French forces in Timbouctou.

It was the Tchadians who chased the enemy to the mountains, in one of those engagements, Chad lost 26 Soldiers while killing 95 insurgents.

The French only had air superiority, and that's that. The french against a proper armed enemy would suffer severe losses.


You maintain mobility when you use more durable, lighter weight armour such as Dyneema, basic physics research says this.


Did you even read the exchange i had with Mike?


Anyway, we are derailing the thread.

tdayof:
Posted by Proforce. Do they have any joint work with Toyota?

Beautiful vehicle, Proforce making us proud "since yesterday" . It's a Cash-In-Transit(CIT) vehicle, Toyota only provides the platform, every other thing is from the defence speaker.