@ allCopacetic, nice one there. I knew you won't ever disappoint.

I'm watching an interesting movie right now. I'll respond to your post later.

Thanks bro.

danowena:
Talking of DP.This is in my apartment. What do u think?
Cc: allCopacetic, mavverick , topsy23,EgunMogaji,

No be small thing oo,
this looks like a PPI (per phase isolation) distribution board.
is this the only distribution panel you have in the house or is there some other one?
I dont see any single pole MCBs.

n3xt:
@ allCopacetic, nice one there. I knew you won't ever disappoint.

I'm watching an interesting movie right now. I'll respond to your post later.

Thanks bro.

LOL, abeg no respond. enjoy your movie biko,
I know you want to concoct a nuclear comeback

topsy23:


Are you talking about double pole(DP) switch for AC and water heater?

Sorry I meant DB ....not DP

EgunMogaji:


That's a big beyotch.

My concern is amperage in light (pun) of the potential breakers.

Good looking though but I'm using USA spec and style due to the government oversight on quality.

I think the breakers on this is very standard.

allCopacetic:

No be small thing oo,
this looks like a PPI (per phase isolation) distribution board.
is this the only distribution panel you have in the house or is there some other one?
I dont see any single pole MCBs.

It's possible but I have no clue as to what you are talking about. I will post more pix and hope they help.
Yes it is the only DB in the house and a very small house for that matter.

danowena:


I think the breakers on this is very standard.



It's possible but I have no clue as to what you are talking about. I will post more pix and hope they help.
Yes it is the only DB in the house and a very small house for that matter.

The design and build quality is . If the Geramans had made the titanic Jack would probably still be alive today
So every circuit has a dedicated RCD (the one with the blue switch),.... interesting.

@ Bolded, I can see that from the labelled circuits and the number of blanks.
The panel appears to be grossly underutilized. black man go say this one na waste . but the white man thinks differently. In the event of a remodeling or relocation this panel can serve an apartment three times the size of the existing

allCopacetic:


The design and build quality is . If the Geramans had made the titanic Jack would probably still be alive today
So every circuit has a dedicated RCD (the one with the blue switch),.... interesting.

@ Bolded, I can see that from the labelled circuits and the number of blanks.
The panel appears to be grossly underutilized. black man go say this one na waste . but the white man thinks differently. In the event of a remodeling or relocation this panel can serve an apartment three times the size of the existing

Where is the real allCopacetic and what have you done with him?

http://www.striebelundjohn.com

It's not in English maybe Ottersberger can indulge us

allCopacetic:

Demand drives supply.
The growing influx of substandard products is driven largely by buying choices. Note…. I’m not talking about original or fake . I mean substandard low quality brands vs higher quality brands. Those who sell both low and high quality offerings of the same item will tell you they sell ten times more of the cheap, lower quality option than they do the more expensive higher quality ones. The few well to do people (middle and upper class) who look out for quality brands only constitute a small percentage of the population so you can guess on which side the b
I’m sure the cost difference is as glaring and wide as the quality difference, that’s a simple thing we have to come to terms with. You cannot buy an item for N10 and get N100 value. That’s impossible
Where It becomes a problem is when reputable brands are faked and brought in, deceiving buyers who are actually in the market for good quality , giving those who make effort to sell original items the uphill task of competing with a sea of identical looking goods that cost considerably less. How do you convince a man who is not oppurtuned to do a side by side comparison that the identical looking ABB board that his electrician certified ok is different from what you are selling for 30% to 40% higher. You don’t know the struggle.
The onus Is now on the end user to put in extra effort and due diligence and source for correct information


LOL, you dey make me laugh, we might aswell put naija on ebay, and abandon ship. but the same thing as above applies to you oo, afterall you saw phillips, GE , OSRAM, Sylvania, BG and co in Nigeria too before you opted to buy AKT
Good stuff day Naija in that regards, the problem is purchasing power and orientation.


for instance the LED candelabra bulb attached below sells for 800 - 900 while a lower quality of the exact same thing can be gotten for about 400. but if you turn on the two bulbs side by side... score sheet go show immediately. If it takes the guy who imports the cheaper one 6 months to sell a container, it'll take my guy 6 years to sell his , and bear in mind, this quality is still lower and cheaper than the likes of Phillips and osram ooo,

Within the 6 years, Mr B who bought the 600ngn bulb would have bought 3 more times while Mr A is enjoying his good choice.

God knows I'm not buying Apple devices because of they're cheap but for the quality.

_______
Sure, there are times one has to be used as guinea pigs to tell a good story. Now that I know the difference, I'd be more careful and conscious about my choices.
The AKT vs Phillips bulb is a perfect example of how Naija electricians lead many unsuspecting homeowners to make a wrong choice. XYZ bulb na de best..., naija cable are the best... Na so dem take mouth sold the thing to me.
Trust me, I only used them (the fake bulbs) outdoor on the streetlights (not even on the fence).

________
I can tell you bro if the only thing we've got to offer is quality, people will still buy knowing fully well that they've chosen peace of mind over heartache.

allCopacetic:


Thanks,
Well that’s the beauty of the free world, everybody is armed with an opinion, anybody can be an authority on anything, informed or not.
You don’t know the challenges.. particularly with electricians who cannot even distinguish a fake from an original, these sort of people are the backbone of misinformation. when for any reason a supplier supplies fake materials, the electrician should ideally serve as a filter . But to be frank with you, when it comes down to the nitty gritty of material identification, only a very very select few are up to the task.
I remember the scenario topsy talked about recently with a client, Fake cables supplied as Nigerian wire, If he hadn’t known enough to detect that and also stand his ground against the supplier, the customer would have assumed he got a great bargain, and that the shyster seller who actually sold him fake is a wonderful person while topsy who quoted the price of real Nigeria cable is trying to rip him off.
If most electricians are competent and knowledgeable it would help stem the proliferation of fake goods. Because their customers would be guided accordingly. Admittedly this can be a little difficult with some type of products; especially for people who are not within the market, as counterfeiters are getting better.

Yes they do. Yatai lighting and OK lighting in dubai make some very great products. Almost all of our lightings are from Dubai, meanwhile cheaper chinese versions of the various designs are common place.

Well AKT is a very decent brand, it now boils down to wether you actually got an original or a fake. clearly not the best CFL bulb, as there are more expensive and higher quality options even in Nigeria, but its a good one nonetheless.

My friend, why will I seek the living among the dead? Hope you got my drift? For those who have seen me in the markets before, I don't move from shops to shops. I always stay in a shop to buy all my goods (get my discount and ask the good supplier to even make recommendations to me).

I do not have to be told the difference between a Mac and PC neither should I be fumbling to make a choice between German Furnitures and Mushin-finished woodwork (even though they'll serve the same purpose but different masters).
A supplier shouldn't supply fake and expect the electrician to filter it out. What happens when the purchased items are meant for DIY projects?

What's far more worse than quacks spreading wrong information is patronizing a Pro who choose to remain silent about it and the government who let evil triumph while trying to increase IGR? So long you can pay the clearing charges in Nigeria, anything goes!

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Now, I won't want to discuss a problem without proposing a solution.

1. People should "Change" their mindset. They should be well aware of those things that should be quality upfront.

2. Govt should clamp down on fake/counterfeit material suppliers and put drastic measures in place to end this. They can take a cue from countries like USA, Dubai, Indonesia etc

3. Manufacturers should do more to sensitize people on the reason why they should make the right choices.

4. All professional bodies whose statutory functions are not more than collecting members annual dues and fighting for titles should be scrapped. The industry only need Private Inspectors/Surveyors who can perform quality check on devices and equipment installed. All those ATN, COT, ANND, bullsh*t should be scrapped.


Good morning!

allCopacetic:


The design and build quality is . If the Geramans had made the titanic Jack would probably still be alive today
So every circuit has a dedicated RCD (the one with the blue switch),.... interesting.

@ Bolded, I can see that from the labelled circuits and the number of blanks.
The panel appears to be grossly underutilized. black man go say this one na waste . but the white man thinks differently. In the event of a remodeling or relocation this panel can serve an apartment three times the size of the existing

Look like a mini panel boss....average nigerians can't go for this cos many of them are looking for cheap materials that can work for them. Its a nice design. I have use the shneider type before but it was imported by south african contractors.

Have you seen my messages ?
If you say you do not have 10k this week, when will you have it ?

n3xt:
@ allCopacetic, nice one there. I knew you won't ever disappoint.

I'm watching an interesting movie right now. I'll respond to your post later.

Thanks bro.

Looks like what I would expect, pls confirm that this is outside of Nigeria ?

In all the electrical re-wire installations that I have overseen (not in nija), I typically use MK/Wylex 10/12 way dual RCB consumer unit (This is the new regulation for Part 17 certification). Every major circuit has its own breaker (cooker, upstairs light, downstairs light, sockets, electric shower if applicable etc), and you can isolate various part of the house etc. I bought DB in Nija ABB or so, but TBH I dont remember what they look like and if they have exactly same functionality, I know it has MCB breakers (we had to hide that during rough in works) but how many I do not remember.

Here, I have every part of the house with its own breaker, including the garage, last week a friend who got excited with my hedge cutter mistakenly slit the cable . Luckily the garage has its own small DB and set of breakers, i had tripped off an intermediary one, so it was just a case of lifting it back up, and I shouted UP NEPA !.

I was thinking of buying ABB boards from England and shipping to Nija, this was when I was hearing about the various fakes and I didnt want to take chances, I however found it difficult to find our typical Nija DB over here, and I dont want to buy the type that is used here just in case it doesn't work, so I just bit the bullet and bought it from nija like that, but ensured it was the real thing and had electrician verify it.

Our Electrical pros, pls confirm if the below can work in nija. I am just curious

danowena:
Talking of DB.This is in my apartment. What do u think?
Cc: allCopacetic, mavverick , topsy23,EgunMogaji,

@Madam Gabby

Any reason for the gens on the balcony, in my experience I find that the smoke more of less messes up the paint work, and in this day and age of tiling everywhere, will it not mess up the tiles also engine oil leaks etc ?

@Engineers, Structurally also, is there evidence to suggest generators can affect the superstructure/substructure ?

gabbytabby:
Generally I do the wires for the generator as I want to reduce the incidence of trailing wires and associated safety issues. Generators are usually located in balcony and away from cooking gas point.

Ceiling price is all inclusive but I end up paying for transportation and 1 meal a day which adds up.

EgunMogaji:
http://www.striebelundjohn.com

It's not in English maybe Ottersberger can indulge us

Oga Egun, Nothing dey dat website wey we never discuss here o.

It is a corporate website like most others, detailing company profile, products line and allied services.

Of interest to us pursuant to our ongoing discussion is the Stromkreisverteiler.

I'm not educated about how these devices are deployed in Nigeria. However, my experience here is that every circuit has its independent breaker[img]https://img.conrad.de/medias/global/ce/8000_8999/8300/8370/8370/621747_LB_00_FB.EPS.jpg[/img]. This means that every area of the appartment or house is independently circuit separated in the likely event of a malfunction or damage. Suffice it to say that troubleshooting then becomes a child's play because the afflicted circuit's switch will be physically turned off, aiding identification. It is a building code requirement in my neck of the woods.

It is customary to find the following in a multi dwelling setup. Notice that a metering device is attached to that setup and every appartment has one of these ( No be Egun i dey tell o, the oga sabi dat one pass me ).

BTW, I found some switches, sockets and motion sensors that may appeal to your sense of aesthetics. Look here sir: https://www.hagebau.de/bauen-renovieren/elektroinstallation/?p=1&view=web_list. You gotta scroll down a little to find the goodies though.

Them know say you carry so them go shave your head.

So where una they keep generator for a multi unit cos me I no dey waka far for night to go switch off. Personal safety issues. We all live and learn.

danowena:

Wow! I used to think keeping gen sets on balcony is dangerous to the structure of buildings.

Ceiling for everything. I got a labour quote for piping security house alone for 46k. It seems as if I will need ur services as project manager/consultant.

If they dont change their oil at 4-6 weeks interval then they smear their balcony. During their tenancy their balcony their problem shikena.


Safety and convenience determines location. So far none has a sufficientlyy big generator to be a concern upstairs. I cover the basis by including in tenancy agreement.

mavverick:
@Madam Gabby

Any reason for the gens on the balcony, in my experience I find that the smoke more of less messes up the paint work, and in this day and age of tiling everywhere, will it not mess up the tiles also engine oil leaks etc ?

@Engineers, Structurally also, is there evidence to suggest generators can affect the superstructure/substructure ?

mavverick:
Looks like what I would expect, pls confirm that this is outside of Nigeria ?

In all the electrical re-wire installations that I have overseen (not in nija), I typically use MK/Wylex 10/12 way dual RCB consumer unit (This is the new regulation for Part 17 certification). Every major circuit has its own breaker (cooker, upstairs light, downstairs light, sockets, electric shower if applicable etc), and you can isolate various part of the house etc. I bought DB in Nija ABB or so, but TBH I dont remember what they look like and if they have exactly same functionality, I know it has MCB breakers (we had to hide that during rough in works) but how many I do not remember.

Here, I have every part of the house with its own breaker, including the garage, last week a friend who got excited with my hedge cutter mistakenly slit the cable . Luckily the garage has its own small DB and set of breakers, i had tripped off an intermediary one, so it was just a case of lifting it back up, and I shouted UP NEPA !.

I was thinking of buying ABB boards from England and shipping to Nija, this was when I was hearing about the various fakes and I didnt want to take chances, I however found it difficult to find our typical Nija DB over here, and I dont want to buy the type that is used here just in case it doesn't work, so I just bit the bullet and bought it from nija like that, but ensured it was the real thing and had electrician verify it.

Our Electrical pros, pls confirm if the below can work in nija. I am just curious

My apartment with this DB is Nigeria. And it is for a room and a parlour (parlour is studio flat style).

I have been reading this thread and cannot hide the fact that it is very educative. To have a elderly man or woman or whatever you classify youself as type what I read below is utter gabbage and affirms a middle aged man going through a patch.

Since you have been away this thread has been peaceful. I wish you can stay away so that we can all continue to learn.

lastpage:
I am BACK! Lastpage is back!!

I have been away from this section and Nairaland postings in general, since 16th of July! Seems like yesterday tho'.
My wifey (yes, Lastpage Madam) insisted l should 'chill-out' as according to her, l am beginning to take faceless people seriously.

Well, if there are two people whose counsel l take seriously, it's my Mother (of blessed memory) and my wife!
The Power of "Good Women" in our life!

I was against her rebuttal, posted earlier but she insisted that "for the good of those who have come to respect and admire that @username" (even anonymously) l should allow her to make the rebuttal.
I concurred though l argued that she should not delete the thread as l feel it has and still doing some good to others.
Moreover, she did nothing wrong!. when you get the consent of someone to 'post on their behalf, in order to help them', you act in their capacity.


So, my Two weeks 'self-imposed moratorium' has elapsed. Madam wanted one month but l pleaded to 'allow me naah', as part of my relaxation!

While l was away, l noticed the RATS were having a field-day!
One even said l 'ran-away'!
'Clowns' even said I am Brabus or my Madam is Brabus'w wife! (Brabus, if l see your face near my tent, you go hear am! )
Despite tens of posts on various sections of Nairaland where she has openly stated she is a woman, Lastpage's wife (in particular posts) and l have stated l am her husband (in my posts, on request where clarification was sought, as she is not a fan of the property section) some of these scallywags have said l am a woman!
One has to be very unintelligent, not to be able to say whether a poster is Male/Female, after reading about five of their post.
We would continue to use that single username, as we have always done.
We wont be like that one who was scouring for a Nigerian wife on Nairaland, on his visits to Nigeria, using a username his wife-to-be does not know, while at the same moment, the wife was arraigning a "spousal reunification" for him at the home office.
That is how terrible some of these people are.
Cheesux, wetin we nor go hear!

While away, I also noticed those who felt this was a "got-ya" moment and seized on it to yarn rubbish too.

I also noticed that Brabus has been posting new things (He did not even bother to ask after me while l was away!
Na so life be? Et tu Brutus/Brabus? ). That is the Brabus we all yearn to see.

I also noticed that some peeps have gone to delete posts where they said they have HIV! Oh-Well, we already know and the post was already quoted!
I also noticed that we have a new "Class Monitor" here. All Good, more grease to your elbow

I also noticed that, finally, we all agree to what l have been saying: Those who want to bash Builders should take it to threads specially created for that purpose....... or take the matter to EFCC who are qualified and empowered by LAW, to prosecute any allegation of Fraud.
This is why some Goats have made an enemy out of me! Simply because l refused to join them in bashing Brabus, from now till eternity.
Ofcourse, l did bash him initially and even assisted in ensuring he was refunding the cry-cry baby but after a while, l felt it was derailing a good thread.
Anyway, all good.

I also noticed that l have come to know the 'real person' behind one of the different Monikers.
You know, l did a little phone call to a friend who lives in the South/South and he in-turn did a little phone-call to the Land Registry in that side. He used the 4 coordinates of a survey plan/Approval submitted by the rat and voila!
All documentation/Approval application, e.t.c and bio-data of the person was made available.

So, if you still think you are anonymous, YOU are not! When you come into the country by year end, l would be 'informed' at the point of entry as you scan your Palli (Thats a service reserved for VIP's that you are getting, so that Escort can get ready to do their work) and MAY decide to even provide you with "security", free of charge, all the way to your house by NTA Rd, as my very good friend from N/Land.
One good turn they say, deserves another.
Its a small world and we need to be very careful about what we say/do online, under the guise of anonymity.

Having said that, l am bound to honor the new trend here and keep this thread to strictly anything CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING.

Brabus, l admire that iron contraption you are doing, l hope you get experts in material testing to confirm the strength of that material to withstand the intended load?
Remember, "those who are about to be roasted, ..... dont bath with petrol".

I wont revert to this particular post again, (except l am compelled to).

"Lies, if repeated so often,... and left unchallenged, may assume an air of truth".




Lastpage!

ugo99:
I have been reading this thread and cannot hide the fact that it is very educative. To have a elderly man or woman or whatever you classify youself as type what I read below is utter gabbage and affirms a middle aged man going through a patch.

Since you have been away this thread has been peaceful. I wish you can stay away so that we can all continue to learn.

That Madam is a spent force and a nursing Mother . She has been dealt with throughout here. Dont waste your quality time on a senile old woman whose only Passion is to fight with her children over crayons for coloring. She is the asin rat on this forum.

gabbytabby:
Them know say you carry so them go shave your head.

So where una they keep generator for a multi unit cos me I no dey waka far for night to go switch off. Personal safety issues. We all live and learn.

You can have remote turn on and off now.

EgunMogaji:


You can have remote turn on and off now.

Speaking of automation?

Oga Egun I still dey count money for automation e never complete.


.

EgunMogaji:


You can have remote turn on and off now.

EgunMogaji:


You can have remote turn on and off now.

Remote control for 'I pass my neighbour' ? Or you want to legislate on the model of generator tenants may use. It's a rented apartment remember?

diordaves:


Remote control for 'I pass my neighbour' ? Or you want to legislate on the model of generator tenants may use. It's a rented apartment remember?

I'm almost ashamed that you're asking these questions.

It's 2016 Bro, try to cuddle technology.

diordaves:

Remote control for 'I pass my neighbour' ? Or you want to legislate on the model of generator tenants may use. It's a rented apartment remember?

This guys thinks everyone got money like them ni o. Naija man never see three meals to eat in a day and now you are talking about automation in a rented flat?

Hajji M.

gabbytabby:
Oga Egun I still dey count money for automation e never complete.

.

Mummy, this is not automation.

It's just extending the wiring from the starter switch to a more convenient place.

We've used similar since the early 70s in Saki.

mufutau55:


This guy thinks everyone got money like them ni o. Naija man never see three meals to eat in a day and now you are talking about automation in a rented flat?

Hajji M.

There's no automation involved in extending three wires from the switch at a generator to another switch at a more convenient location.

It should cost less than N1,000 in wires and switch for a prudent run.

EgunMogaji:

There's no automation involved in extending three wires from the switch at a generator to another switch at a more convenient location.
It should cost less than N1,000 in wires and switch for a prudent run.

Like ON and OFF wire? May Landlord/Landlady/MamaGabby tenant agreement no allow tampering of wires o.
But Yes, that will work... but when I hear automation... that one nah big English o.

Hajji M.

This would be automation.

1) No electricity
2) Oga car is arriving
3) isolate nepa incoming voltage
4) start generator
5) energize voltage to house

..............

6) Madam is also detected to be arriving
7) madam has set a minimum temp of 70 degrees when she's home in the afternoon
close windows and doors
9) pull drapes
10) turn on AC and set to 70
11) when front door opens and ogas iPhone comes into main lobby then cue "oriki ijebu"

That is automation, it's not remotely turning on and off a gen

EgunMogaji:
This would be automation.

1) No electricity
2) Oga car is arriving
3) isolate nepa incoming voltage
4) start generator
5) energize voltage to house

..............

6) Madam is also detected to be arriving
7) madam has set a minimum temp of 70 degrees when she's home in the afternoon
close windows and doors
9) pull drapes
10) turn on AC and set to 70
11) when front door opens and ogas iPhone comes into main lobby then cue "oriki ijebu"

That is automation, it's not remotely turning on and off a gen

This man sef... LOL! Now I see why I no go die from all your funny writings... You are 1 million percent right at the above.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Like ON and OFF wire? May Landlord/Landlady/MamaGabby tenant agreement no allow tampering of wires o.
But Yes, that will work... but when I hear automation... that one nah big English o.

Hajji M.

My oga, you're overthinking this sir.

No messing with the house wiring at all.

He's simply duplicating his generator switch.