Toks2008:


You are now communicating so my questions are;

Is thinking about sex a sin?

How does masturbation becomes sexual immorality?

If I'm married and my wife travels, is it a sin if I masturbate thinking about sex with my wife?

As an unmarried person is it a sin if I ease off thinking about sex?

Please note that you are now discussing the matter from the scriptures so I would like you to back up your answers with scriptures.

Isaacmacdon:
lol, you are beginning to talk like one of them. Its only atheist that asks for bible scriptures in other to back up a point. You claim to know the bible well but its obvious you don't.

Isaacmacdon:
lol, you are beginning to talk like one of them. Its only atheist that asks for bible scriptures in other to back up a point. You claim to know the bible well but its obvious you don't.

1 corinthians 5 vs 11; What I meant was that you should not associate with a person who calls himself a believer but is immoral or greedy or worships idols or is a slanderer or a drunkard or a thief. Don't even sit down to eat with such a person.

Sorry bro. I follow set rules. Go read your bible. I expressed my opinion and you foolishly pounced on it with demonic intent.

Toks2008:


Obviously you have nothing to say..OK sit on a couch and get this straight.

The real shame is that people are lumping whatever they assume is in the English phrase "sexual immorality" and then claiming, as you did, that masturbation is part of it but you are so very wrong

Sexual immorality involves Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals, sexual intercourse with close relatives.

Sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mark 10:11

One can also go through the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament to see what Hebrew words were translated to get an idea of what the word meant. You will find:

zanah - to lie down like a prostitute ( Jeremiah 2:20 ; Micah 1:7 )

zenunim - Harlotry, prostitution ( Hosea 1:2 ; Nahum 3:4 )

zenuth - Unfaithfulness, prostitution ( Numbers 14:33 ;
Jeremiah 3:2 ; Hosea 4:11 )

taznuth - Harlotry, lust ( Ezekiel 16:15 ; 23:7 , 11 )

The actual Greek word for masturbation was anaphlan , which does not appear in the Bible.

As I pointed out in " Is masturbation sinful or not? " the act of masturbation would fall underneath one category of uncleanness, that of ejaculation. Unclean things in themselves, such as pigs, death bodies, menstrual periods, etc., were not sinful in and of themselves.

Breaking the laws in dealing with unclean things was sinful. Since God did not define the act of masturbation as sinful, nor as righteous, it would be sinful to add or subtract from what God said.

Instead, we look at what typically accompanies masturbation and there we find plenty of things to talk about why those accompanying things are wrong.

But even here, the accompanying sinful things, such as pornography, are sinful because the Bible condemns pornography ( I Thessalonians 4:5 ).

Can you see the way I have used the scriptures to buttress my point?

That is what I expect from you.

Isaacmacdon:
All you've written is bullcrap. Do whatever you feel like. It doesn't change the word of God. Do whatever you wish but please do not push other people to committing iniquity. I wander what you choose to gain from all this.

Toks2008:


Of course I wrote this to liberate people who have been enslaved by heresy, to bring back many people who have given up on their salvation because they felt they are not good enough for Gods kingdom because they self service and to expose hypocrites who come online to form holier than thou but are more enmeshed in shitty stuffs.

Nuff said and do have a splendid day.

Toks2008:


You are beginning to sound lame again..you know what, I would love it if you can be humble enough to keep mum over this matter cos I'm tired of your shallow mindedness over this matter.

fullstreets:
I prefer to travel to Californicate.

Toks2008:


I smell hypocrisy ...

Please next time dont come barging into matters such as this without concrete quotes from the bible to back your opinion.

I guess having wet dreams should be a sin too.

Enuff said

Good night.

WindUpMerchant:
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end result is destruction. May God help you.

Toks2008:


Amen..Hypocrite.

Toks2008:


Of course I wrote this to liberate people who have been enslaved by heresy, to bring back many people who have given up on their salvation because they felt they are not good enough for Gods kingdom because they self service and to expose hypocrites who come online to form holier than thou but are more enmeshed in shitty stuffs.

Nuff said and do have a splendid day.

Toks2008:


Of course I wrote this to liberate people who have been enslaved by heresy, to bring back many people who have given up on their salvation because they felt they are not good enough for Gods kingdom because they self service and to expose hypocrites who come online to form holier than thou but are more enmeshed in shitty stuffs.

Nuff said and do have a splendid day.

WindUpMerchant:
Oh yes. I am a hypocrite, because I do not believe in your perverse ideology. wáñk all you want, but painting it as a normal sinless thing is self deceit.

Toks2008:
I have seen many threads on nairaland concerning self servicing and each time i read these threads i just shake my head in disbelief and i just marvel at the level of hypocrisy many people bring into the subject matter but today i want to present my candid take on self servicing using the very words of GOD as guide.

1.Is self servicing a sin?: I have hoped that one day, someone will really quote a bible passage that condemns self servicing but so far what we have seen are human philosophies and personal conviction about the matter.I don't know what the Quran says about it but The truth is that the Bible is totally silent about this matter.Many scholars have sited the story of onan(Genesis 38) who spilled his fluid on the ground but a deep understanding of that story shows that GOD punished him for disobedience rather than the act.

Toks2008:


See your life.

If you must know, i have never wanked in my life and that is the problem with the mindset of some people. Once you see someone talking in favor or against a subject, you will quickly juxtapose it with the life of the person.

Let me warn you,if you are of double standard then you are nothing but an abomination to GOD.


Many of you come here to call it a sin but will indulge in it or worse still fornication, please who are you fooling?

And i really blame myself for wasting time discussing with you cos you have no scriptural input but blabbing.,,go spend your time doing what you love to do which is wooing nairaland ladies..i need people with scriptural input.

Vick4rill:
i can't believe you wrote this.. honestly am dissapointed. answer me hw in the world is it possible to self service with out thinking of the other partner in a lustful way? u admitted that masturbation is a sin when u are watching porn but it is no longer a sin when u imagine it in ur mind. i ve been a victim of masturbation for almost 8years untill God save me. honestly i can nt remember a single day i masturbated with out thinking of some one or some thing i had lust after. and again stop calling people hypocrite for saying the truth. we shld learn 2 acpt d truth evn if it comes frm d devil.

WindUpMerchant:
You seek self conviction. you know it is unscriptural. I know your type, You want to engage in long meaningless arguments . to prove a non existent point. I wish you well sir..........

...And yes, I have some flirting to do.

Vick4rill:
answer me hw in the world is it possible to self service with out thinking of the other partner in a lustful way? u admitted that masturbation is a sin when u are watching porn but it is no longer a sin when u imagine it in ur mind. i ve been a victim of masturbation for almost 8years untill God save me. honestly i can nt remember a single day i masturbated with out thinking of some one or some thing i had lust after. and again stop calling people hypocrite for saying the truth. we shld learn 2 acpt d truth evn if it comes frm d devil.

Toks2008:


I honestly dont even expect any form of ovation for this but my aim is to save many people who have ngiven up their salvation because they find themselves masturbating after accepting Jesus as lord and Saviour.

Many people who dont deserve to be in hell are crying and burning in hell right now because of hypocrites and heretic preachers who preach trash to the people in the name of human philosophy.

I asked a simple question...is there anywhere in the Bible that calls masturbation a sin...until now none of the critics have come up with one verse even the pastors but look at the way i dissected the topic in my post above yet many people will still come here to write balderdash.

I want t0 learn because i dont know everything but dont come here to write an annoying post that does not address the subject of discuss.

If you have no scriptural reference to back your claims just please keep mum and be a spectator.

firstking01:
I dnt really know where you are driving at maybe cos i didn't read everything you wrote but from your heading and second paragraph i can categorically and convincingly put it to anyone/body who masturbates is committing a sin pronable of bringing eternal damnation to yourself...your body is supposed to be the throne and temple of the holy spirit, so, how dare you defile it?...and if you think masturbation is not a sin why the guilt after the act?,,,anything you do and your concience is in disarray with you it's a sin....your concience is the God inside of you....i dnt wanna share my experience of masturbation and encounter with God...maybe some other day...again i qoute, that a thing is not in the bible doesn't mean it's not a sin....quit masturbation.

WindUpMerchant:
Seek the truth brother. It will set you free.

Toks2008:


Jokes apart..I want to know the truth but no one seems to be helping matters but talk from their own perspective but I need a scriptural angle so please help me out.

Saying masturbation as an act is a sin when the bible did not prove that is a big sin and can lead many to hell.

We have to stop this. How I wish lalasticlala can let more people see the thread.maybe someone can shed more light.

WindUpMerchant:
Man! you should know better. These are vices. cocaine, cultism, weed, rape, assault e.t.c is not in the bible
So what's your point? Abeg leave matter.

Toks2008:


See talk kai!,,nairalanders won't kill me with comedy.

What does cocaine, weed do to the body which is Gods temple, they defile it by destroying it and the bible says we must not defile Gods temple.

Rape and assault are vivid sins because you harm another but please how does self servicing fit into all these?

Apparently you can see that it is quite convenient to use human philosophy to say things.

I'm not here to promote masturbation but to clear the heresy surrounding it

It is a habit that can be addictive if unchecked BUT IT IS NOT A SIN.

WindUpMerchant:
Okay man! your opinion.

Toks2008:


I have no opinion on this matter neither do I seek anybody's opinion.

What I want is the scriptural opinion on it.

davisoncrusoe:
Please Ladies and Gentlemen, Self-servicing (Masturbation) is a SIN. It is clearly stated in the Bible. Study and meditate on Sincerely and with humility, pray for God's mercy and he Leviticus 18:1-32. will forgive you.

WindUpMerchant:
Neither me, or either of the respondents here is the scripture. God himself is the word, so seek His opinion prayerfully.





I'm not so sure God will the green light to masturbation though. Byebye sir.