mi 24 MKIII super hind algerian army

upgraded with south african ATE to superhind mkIII and now they are upgraded in ukraine with Aviakon

patches689:
I was just reading up on the new Mbombe 8X8

Its stats are allmost identicle to the badger
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45118:mbombe-8x8-shown-at-aad-for-first-time&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

The only difference being that it is slightly faster (4km). I think the clincher will be the armament.

I knew the Mbombe 8 would turn out to be a better vehicle than the Patria SANDF went for. It's an impressive piece of engineering. I've been looking for videos of the Mbombe 8x8 during tests but none are available.


The Mbombe already carries a more powerful gun in the 57mm, and it could also carry an all in one module like the BMPT terminator turret.

Proforce at AAD 2016



- Nigerian Chief of Air Staff been interviewed by Channelstv reporters at the Proforce defence pavilion at AAD 2016


- Zimbabwe Chief of Air Staff at the Proforce stand at AAD 2016


- South-African Defence minister visits Proforce Pavilion

Henry240:
Proforce at AAD 2016

i need to shut down this thread,i need sir Henry240 to call me ingwe

africaken254:
i need to shut down this thread,i need sir Henry240 to call me ingwe

LOL...... And why should i call you Igwe? It is Igwe by the way, not Ingwe.

I'm disappointed the Nnamibians did not come with their Wolf MK3 MRAP. I was looking forward to seeing that vehicle at AAD 2016.

2016 photo of the year ,Uganda soldiers and US green berets still hunting Kony

CASA C-295M algerian air force

Proforce ARA MRAP



DIMENSIONS :


LENGTH : 6800mm

HEIGHT : 2500mm

WIDTH : 2500mm

WHEELBASE : 3500mm

GROUND CLEARANCE : 250mm

GVW : 19 Ton

PAYLOAD : 3000kg

ENGINE : 218 @ 2200rpm

GEARBOX : Allison 6 Speed Automatic

APPROACH ANGLE : 40deg

DEPARTURE ANGLE : 60deg

MAX SPEED : 96km/h

FUEL TANK CAPACITY : 200 L

The ARA is integrated with a fully independent
suspension system.
The independent suspension provides controlled and
superior mobility
off-road and tough conditions.


The ARA’s traction and small turning circle gives it
superior manoeuvrability through tight areas.
This capability combined with a powerful engine in four-
wheel drive train provides the ARA MRAP to deal with
extremely rough terrain effortlessly.
The ARA utilizes heavy duty tires that is intended for all
terrain operations.

Tire inflation system keeps tired correctly inflated with
up to four bullet punctures.
While the internal vehicle run-flat system keeps a
vehicle operational even when the tire is damaged.
ARA’S FIREPOWER

360 visibility, multiple cameras and monitors. a variety
of weapons including a 50 caliber machine gun can be
mounted on the 360 roof turret. Which can be opened
and fully enclosed.


TURRET MANUAL OR MOTOR CONTROLLED


1. VARIOUS SIZES AND PROFILES


2. PROGRAMMABLE


3. MULTIPLE JOYSTICK INPUTS OR THUMB CONTROL
A wide range of optional extras available including
electronic countermeasures, grenade launchers, C4IS
systems, NBC protection systems
Sidewall gun ports and the option to fit side facing roof
hatch. The occupants can defend themselves in safety.
The ARA’s Protection capability comes with full spectrum
hybrid armour systems.


As standard, the vehicle armour protection systems is
independently tested for STANAG levels and above, and
is designed to be fully up-gradable. The ARA can be
equipped with slat armours and iron curtains to protect
against RPGs.

The can be fitted with unique hybrid passive and
reactive armours for effective defence against IEDs, EFPs

chkil:
the egyptian navy ships in 2016

Very impressive.

Pantsyr-S1 [Sa-22 Greyhound] Janus version algerian air defence

for short and medium air defense work with the S-300 PMU2 ,Tor-M2, Buk-M2, S-125 Petchora M2 in algeria

beautiful video about Anwar El Sadat - 2nd Mistral-class LHD - Egyptian Navy


from inside


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtv4IzRw1j4

Henry240:


I knew the Mbombe 8 would turn out to be a better vehicle than the Patria SANDF went for. It's an impressive piece of engineering. I've been looking for videos of the Mbombe 8x8 during tests but none are available.


The Mbombe already carries a more powerful gun in the 57mm, and it could also carry an all in one module like the BMPT terminator turret.

I said they were similar, not better.

Mbombe 8 has STANAG 4569 protection level 3+, which is only against 7.62.

Badger has STANAG 4569 level 6 which is against 30mm (frontal arc).

The 57mm gun is not standard and the BMPT turret only fits on the turret ring from a T72. Not to mention that the ZSU-57-2 is designed around the twin S-68 guns and can only hold 300 rounds - thus I doubt that the Mbombe 8 can have more than 50 or so rounds for it main gun.

You then have to take into consideration differing optics, comms equipment, mine protection, etc.

Denel, Patria and the SANDF have been working on the badger for allmost a decade. It would be naive to believe that the Mbombe would better suit the SANDF's needs based on face value assessments.

Mbombe is a very similar vehicle, built very quickly but I seriously doubt it has the fine tuning of the Badger

And lets not forget, badger fires the same ammunition as the Warthog

pic: baby Rooivalk

chkil:
mi 24 MKIII super hind algerian army

I love the first picture.

It's a super - beasty - fortress

patches689:
I was just reading up on the new Mbombe 8X8

Its stats are allmost identicle to the badger
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45118:mbombe-8x8-shown-at-aad-for-first-time&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

The only difference being that it is slightly faster (4km). I think the clincher will be the armament.

Not necessarily.

Speed will depend on armour and turret.

Hello babies
How are you?

patches689:


I said they were similar, not better.

Mbombe 8 has STANAG 4569 protection level 3+, which is only against 7.62.

Badger has STANAG 4569 level 6 which is against 30mm (frontal arc).

The 57mm gun is not standard and the BMPT turret only fits on the turret ring from a T72. Not to mention that the ZSU-57-2 is designed around the twin S-68 guns and can only hold 300 rounds - thus I doubt that the Mbombe 8 can have more than 50 or so rounds for it main gun.

You then have to take into consideration differing optics, comms equipment, mine protection, etc.

Denel, Patria and the SANDF have been working on the badger for allmost a decade. It would be naive to believe that the Mbombe would better suit the SANDF's needs based on face value assessments.

Mbombe is a very similar vehicle, built very quickly but I seriously doubt it has the fine tuning of the Badger

And lets not forget, badger fires the same ammunition as the Warthog

pic: baby Rooivalk

I'm saying it is better. I wasn't referring to what you were saying.


The 57mm is standard for Kazhakstan. Let me rephrase what i meant on the Turret. I'm saying the Mbombe 8x8 can carry a Turret that fires both the 30mm, a Coaxial 7.6mm and an ATGM. All in one module.


Do you need reading glasses? I made no mention of the SANDF. I'm saying the Mbombe is a better vehicle than the Patria.

Henry240:


I knew the Mbombe 8 would turn out to be a better vehicle than the Patria SANDF went for. It's an impressive piece of engineering. I've been looking for videos of the Mbombe 8x8 during tests but none are available.


The Mbombe already carries a more powerful gun in the 57mm, and it could also carry an all in one module like the BMPT terminator turret.

The Patria vehicle which the Badger is built upon is a great vehicle.

At AAD the Mbombe 8 was demonstrated with a 30mm automatic turret.

The Patria and Badger have: 120mm mortar, 60mm mortars, 105mm gun, 30mm guns,100mm gun, 40mm gun etc intergrated and tested on the vehicle.

My favourite being the 120mm Nemo mortar turret.


Note: The Mbombe 8 will have better marketing videos. As Denel still has to complete contracts with sub suppliers to complete have a price and market the Badger.

There's still another IFV in the Denel RG-41 IFV which has a high payload 10 tonnes.

Henry240:


I'm saying it is better. I wasn't referring to what you were saying.


The 57mm is standard for Kazhakstan. Let me rephrase what i meant on the Turret. I'm saying the Mbombe 8x8 can carry a Turret that fires both the 30mm, a Coaxial 7.6mm and an ATGM. All in one module.


Do you need reading glasses? I made no mention of the SANDF. I'm saying the Mbombe is a better vehicle than the Patria.

The local remote turret?

The fact the Badger doesn't have a turret which fire those weapons in because of our doctrine. The missile variant turret sold to Malaysia has the Denel emak 30mm gun, the Ingwe missile and SS77.

MikeCZA:
The local remote turret?

The fact the Badger doesn't have a turret which fire those weapons in because of our doctrine. The missile variant turret sold to Malaysia has the Denel emak 30mm gun, the Ingwe missile and SS77.

Cool, clearing that up. I still do prefer the Mbombe 8x8.

Henry240:


I'm saying it is better. I wasn't referring to what you were saying.


The 57mm is standard for Kazhakstan. Let me rephrase what i meant on the Turret. I'm saying the Mbombe 8x8 can carry a Turret that fires both the 30mm, a Coaxial 7.6mm and an ATGM. All in one module.


Do you need reading glasses? I made no mention of the SANDF. I'm saying the Mbombe is a better vehicle than the Patria.

there is nothing stopping the SANDF using the same layout used by Malaysia where the turret as the 30mm, coaxel mg and Ingwene ATGMs. All so the TRT can fit just about any platform. The badger is still the better product with vastly better armour and ergonomics and bush upgrades tailored for the SANDF.

Henry240:


Cool, clearing that up. I still do prefer the Mbombe 8x8.

why it weighs the same, as less protection, less passenger space and is as big.

frumentius:
Future Recces

CSIR had a soldier fulled kitted out in all the latest special forces gear right next to that vehicle demonstrator, there was no one around to ask. It seemed like something a Recce would wear, but i have never seen one kitted like that! Looked like SAS or Delta i.e very westernised and fancy

Nigerian COIN

NAF 2 alpha jets, a helo and C-130

Henry240:


Cool, clearing that up. I still do prefer the Mbombe 8x8.

"Hunter-Killer" ops while the gunner is engaging a target the commander is searching for the next.


The Mbombe 8 will change a bit as customer feed back is taken. Was surprised you are saying a prototype is already better than a vehicle which has undergone testing.

Rooivalk

MikeCZA:


"Hunter-Killer" ops while the gunner is engaging a target the commander is searching for the next.


The Mbombe 8 will change a bit as customer feed back is taken. Was surprised you are saying a prototype is already better than a vehicle which has undergone testing.

The Mbombe 8 with such stats is already a better product. It would only get better with customer feed-back, hence my conviction. I wonder how much it costs?

Henry240:


The Mbombe 8 with such stats is already a better product. It would only get better with customer feed-back, hence my conviction. I wonder how much it costs?

What better stats?

sudan air force SU-24 Jet

andrewza:



why it weighs the same, as less protection, less passenger space and is as big.

This pretty much.

Thats what you get when you crank out a new platform every two years.

Im super proud of Paramount, its a YUUGE achievement.

But it aint no badger.

gees9:


It seemed like something a Recce would wear, but i have never seen one kitted like that! Looked like SAS or Delta i.e very westernised and fancy

You'll find that the Recces utilise kit for specific missions. BTW, there's a specific division at CSIR, Technology for Special Operations (TSO), dedicated towards servicing the needs of SASFB, STF of the SAPS, the Pathfinders, the MRS and the CAT of the PPU.