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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:11pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Isaac Success has skills and speed but I don't think he is prolific in front of goal as we think.

I have seen him missed goals severally in la liga though he's good at dribbling and creating goals. In addition, he played as a winger for Granada and now Watford.


If invited, he can only come in as a Winger and not a striker. Now, the question is who should be dropped for him? Simon Moses, Victor Moses or Ezekiel Imoh? grin


This is not judged by I have seen. It up to Rohr to invite Isaac Success to camp, carry out some attacking and shooting drills. If he is prolific, then Rohr can play him up front.

I can not forget his sweet finish at the U20 World Youth Championship. Such confidence.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:15pm On Sep 18, 2016
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He can't play as a striker for Granada then is it with the world cup qualifiers, we start experimenting to know if he can play as a striker for Nigeria?

He can play as a striker very well. In developing young attackers, a lot of time, they are played on the wings to develop their skillful play.

Also, if the team is weak at creating chances, and they have enough attackers to strike, they can select one of the strikers, probably the most skillful and fastest to play on the wings.

The drills in the Super Eagles camp will decide whether he is good enough for the striking role of not.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:21pm On Sep 18, 2016
terzurum5:

Do you know the late Stephen Keshi tried him out before Sunday Oliseh?

He played 2-3 matches for late Keshi and he did very well but Mr Moral deflator came in destroyed his confidence with his 4 minutes substitution.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:22pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Chai! are you indirectly telling us what is going on behind the curtain with the National team selection kwa? grin

I see! So, Dey have decided to drop inform Ideye for a winger.


Success is not a striker. Why bring him for a striker?

Rorh we dey observe ooooo. No follow follow follow Nigerian coaches oooo.

Take into context a striker's ability to take on defenders and score. Most of our strikers depend on the midfield to create clean chances for them.

With the way Success turned Bailly inside out like if Success was removing his singlet gives us an idea of his ability with the ball.

At the end, I expect the coach to make his choice after watching them in camp.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:24pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


This is not judged by I have seen. It up to Rohr to invite Isaac Success to camp, carry out some attacking and shooting drills. If he is prolific, then Rohr can play him up front.

I can not forget his sweet finish at the U20 World Youth Championship. Such confidence.


I am not saying he should not be invited but I am saying there is no excuse in try and error for National team.

U20 don pass tey tey. Watch him now and you will realise what I am talking about except his present coach drill him on that.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:26pm On Sep 18, 2016
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This not bad but I don't think Iwobi and Victor Moses should be played at the same time because they don't like defending or are poor at it.

Moreover, you can not drop your best defender for another. Balogun I watched today his better in that position than either Omerue or Ekong.

I think another defender like Otigba or Brain should replace Omerue. On the right wing we can try Musa continuously.

It is just my opinion.

We should not play Iwobi and Moses together cos they dnt like defending or are poor defenders? Oya list our wingers that like defending.

From the formation I posted I did not drop Balogun from the CB position. I only put Omeruo/Ekong i.e. either of the two to partner with Balogun at CB.

On a second thought why not Balogun play RB so Ekong and Omeruo play CB. I don't trust Musa Mohammed with that RB yet. The Luxembourg and Tanzania games are not true tests.

And why do you want "Omerue" to be dropped for Otigba?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:28pm On Sep 18, 2016
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The challenge we may have as regards goals scoring is how to best utilize the Iheanacho-Ighalo strike partnership combination.

Ighalo thrives better in a 4-4-2 formation. Being a lone striker in a 4-5-1 formation does nt really favour him. He needs someone to play with him.

I initially opined that Iheanacho be made d point man but after several considerations I think Ighalo should remain d point man in a 4-4-1-1 formation with Iheanacho playing behind him just like in the Tanzania game. Iheanacho should be made to combine more with Ighalo while also finding space to aim for goal. With this we can easily switch between 4-4-2 & 4-5-1.


I would like a formation like this:

.................Ighalo

Iwobi......Iheanacho.....V. Moses

..........Mikel
....................Onazi

Echiejile...Ekong/Omeruo...Balogun.. (?)

4-4-1-1.

My major concern in that defends is the RB. Though Musa Mohamed did well against Tanzania, but I am not completely sure we have got a right back that can stop the rampaging Algerian, Zambian and Cameroonian attackers/wingers.

Against Tanzania We attacked more and didn't face any major attacking threats. Mohammed was almost a winger in that game. Can he make those runs againt our WC qualifying opponents and we wouldn't get punished?
Well Shehu Abdulahi is another candidate. Let d coaches decide.


Your Ighalo point also came to my mind. He looks improved and his strength is phenomenal. Bailly and Smalling could not get him off the ball when he backed each of them to retrieve the long ball.

His drifting to the sides is also brilliant, which can create gap for Nacho to slot in.

However, his miss when De Gea and Smalling clashed was terrible. If he did that against Westerhof, he would not play another game.

Apart from that, Ighalo is now dominant in games, more skillful and mobile. He drops deep to defence more than waiting for services.

I see the goals coming. He looks better under Mazzari and makes a claim to maintain the starting position.

I won't complain if Rohr chooses Ighalo to lead the front line.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:29pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Take into context a striker's ability to take on defenders and score. Most of our strikers depend on the midfield to create clean chances for them.

With the way Success turned Bailly inside out like if Success was removing his singlet gives us an idea of his ability with the ball.

At the end, I expect the coach to make his choice after watching them in camp.

He has turned many la liga players inside out but the end product na fa fa fa fowl over the bar.


Make the coach shine eye before em decide. 2018 World Cup na most oooo.

Besides, Ighalo got skills to take on defenders. Watch last season and you will know.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:32pm On Sep 18, 2016
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I am not saying he should not be invited but I am saying there is no excuse in try and error for National team.

U20 don pass tey tey. Watch him now and you will realise what I am talking about except his present coach drill him on that.

2015 is not tey tey in my world.

Also, he is under a top manager who worked with talents like Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik.

His striking can improve working with such a man. I did not ask for a trial and error judgment.

Attacking drills. Just as Siasia did with Awoniyi and Sadiq Umar. Then he chose Sadiq as the better striker.

There are drills to check who is better. If Isaac Success is converting better than the rest, then he at least deserves to play as a Sub to that role.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:33pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Take into context a striker's ability to take on defenders and score. Most of our strikers depend on the midfield to create clean chances for them.

With the way Success turned Bailly inside out like if Success was removing his singlet gives us an idea of his ability with the ball.

At the end, I expect the coach to make his choice after watching them in camp.

Success is a kind of forward that is not shy of taking on defenders, just like Imoh Ezekiel. This is typical of strikers that play from the wings.

Success deserves a call up for the Zambia game . Even if Rohr had not made up his mind seeing what Success did today he'll be convinced.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:37pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Of course, why not? Give Rabiu Ibrahim and Abdul Ajagun chance for National team and dem go perform wella. Abi I lie? grin

This is part of what I was arguing with TheGoodJoe and Tbaba the other day about.

We have gone past that stage.

We don't need these type of distractions.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:37pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Success is a kind of forward that is not shy of taking on defenders, just like Imoh Ezekiel. This is typical of strikers that play from the wings.

Success deserves a call up for the Zambia game . Even if Rohr had not made up his mind seeing what Success did today he'll be convinced.

Apart from that, Ighalo is now dominant in games, more skillful and mobile. He drops deep to defend more than waiting for services.


I made a mistake in my post. This is the correction.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:37pm On Sep 18, 2016
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We should not play Iwobi and Moses together cos they dnt like defending or are poor defenders? Oya list our wingers that like defending.

From the formation I posted I did not drop Balogun from the CB position. I only put Omeruo/Ekong i.e. either of the two to partner with Balogun at CB.

On a second thought why not Balogun play RB so Ekong and Omeruo play CB. I don't trust Musa Mohammed with that RB yet. The Luxembourg and Tanzania games are not true tests.

And why do you want "Omerue" to be dropped for Otigba?


Musa Ahmed and Simon Moses.

OK na.

I noticed the way Musa Mohammed played but I fear the way he drifted into the midfield without a backup.

Well, Na inconsequential matches.

Omerue always lose concentration. It's high time we test another defender.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:42pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Your Ighalo point also came to my mind. He looks improved and his strength is phenomenal. Bailly and Smalling could not get him off the ball when he backed each of them to retrieve the long ball.

His drifting to the sides is also brilliant, which can create gap for Nacho to slot in.

However, his miss when De Gea and Smalling clashed was terrible. If he did that against Westerhof, he would not play another game.

Apart from that, Ighalo is now dominant in games, more skillful and mobile. He drops deep to defence more than waiting for services.

I see the goals coming. He looks better under Mazzari and makes a claim to maintain the starting position.

I won't complain if Rohr chooses Ighalo to lead the front line.

Yeah. He played a lot from the wings today and his movement on the ball has been excellent. He may draw attention to the wings creating room for Iheanacho to cause havoc at the centre.

Ighalo is a 4-4-2 kind of striker.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:44pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Musa Ahmed and Simon Moses.

OK na.

I noticed the way Musa Mohammed played but I fear the way he drifted into the midfield without a backup.

Well, Na inconsequential matches.

Omerue always lose concentration. It's high time we test another defender.

Musa Mohammed had back up with Onazi drifting to the right back role when he overlapped.

Seems Rohr saw Onazi's game under Keshi, I think Congo where he played as a right back. When Musa Mohammed overlapped, Onazi covered during counters.

It looks nice. Against skillful and fast Algerians, that is a different question.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:44pm On Sep 18, 2016
Icon4s:


This is part of what I was arguing with TheGoodJoe and Tbaba the other day about.

We have gone past that stage.

We don't need these type of distractions.


So, if Iwobi get injury God forbid, who should replace him? or if these players perform well for their clubs, you mean Iwobi don buy Nigerian National team Jersey?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:47pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Musa Mohammed had back up with Onazi drifting to the right back role when he overlapped.

Seems Rohr saw Onazi's game under Keshi, I think Congo where he played as a right back. When Musa Mohammed overlapped, Onazi covered during counters.

It looks nice but against skillful and fast Algerians is a different question.

Well, I dey observe.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:50pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Musa Ahmed and Simon Moses.

OK na.

I noticed the way Musa Mohammed played but I fear the way he drifted into the midfield without a backup.

Well, Na inconsequential matches.

Omerue always lose concentration. It's high time we test another defender.

Just like how some peeps condemned Ekong before the Olympics.

Omeruo is still one of our best CBs. Defenders make mistakes once in a while.

Omeruo and Ekong can form a CB pairing. No harm in inviting Otigba to compete also. But to say outrightly that Otigba should replace Omeruo is a no-no for me.

Leon Balogun started off as a RB for us. I don't know if Musa Mohammed can face the opposition at the qualifiers, considering also that he was recently released by his Turkish club. Leon Balogun can take up that RB role. No room boyish mistakes as every game would be like a cup final.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:51pm On Sep 18, 2016
Icon4s:


This is part of what I was arguing with TheGoodJoe and Tbaba the other day about.

We have gone past that stage.

We don't need these type of distractions.

What brought Iwobi to limelight? Is it not his performance?

You perform, you get a chance, you don't perform and you get kicked out out. That should be the norms.

No player get automatic Jersey for National team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:55pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Just like how some peeps condemned Ekong before the Olympics.

Omeruo is still one of our best CBs. Defenders make mistakes once in a while.

Omeruo and Ekong can form a CB pairing. No harm in inviting Otigba to compete also. But to say outrightly that Otigba should replace Omeruo is a no-no for me.

Leon Balogun started off as a RB for us. I don't know if Musa Mohammed can face the opposition at the qualifiers, considering also that he was recently released by his Turkish club. Leon Balogun can take up that RB role. No room boyish mistakes as every game would be like a cup final.

I will like us to maintain our high defensive line and ball playing defenders. I do not see Rohr touching that.

He is also impressed with Musa Mohammed. One of the players that impressed the coach a lot in the last game. I think Musa Mohammed earned that place by impressing the coach in that game.

I think I will trust Musa Mohammed to play there if the coach believes he is capable.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:55pm On Sep 18, 2016
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So, if Iwobi get injury God forbid, who should replace him? or if these players perform well for their clubs, you mean Iwobi don buy Nigerian National team Jersey?

I don't know Rabiu and Ajagun to be wingers.

For the number 10 role Iheanacho is available. Etebo also plays 10.

Iwobi is naturally a winger and if he is injured just like the Tanzania game we have so many wingers na.. Musa, Etebo, Simon, Ezekiel, Moses .The coach can also draft a striker like Success to the wings.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:56pm On Sep 18, 2016
Icon4s:


Just like how some peeps condemned Ekong before the Olympics.

Omeruo is still one of our best CBs. Defenders make mistakes once in a while.

Omeruo and Ekong can form a CB pairing. No harm in inviting Otigba to compete also. But to say outrightly that Otigba should replace Omeruo is a no-no for me.

Leon Balogun started off as a RB for us. I don't know if Musa Mohammed can face the opposition at the qualifiers, considering also that he was recently released by his Turkish club. Leon Balogun can take up that RB role. No room boyish mistakes as every game would be like a cup final.


Leon Balogun had always been a CB and I can see he more comfortable there.

Another fresh legs needs to be tried. No more automatic Jersey for any player. We should try Otigba and Brain Idowu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:58pm On Sep 18, 2016
Icon4s:


I don't know Rabiu and Ajagun to be wingers.

For the number 10 role Iheanacho is available. Etebo also plays 10.

Iwobi is naturally a winger and if he is injured just like the Tanzania game we have so many wingers na.. The coach can also draft a striker like Success to the wings.

Iwobi na number 10 for Nigeria National team. Etebor no bi no 10 na no 8.

Iheanacho is not no 10. He is no 9 and no 8.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:00pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Leon Balogun had always been a CB and I can see he more comfortable there.

Another fresh legs needs to be tried. No more automatic Jersey for any player. We should try Otigba and Brain Idowu.

Leon Balogun under Keshi played as a RB. I would be more comfortable seeing him at RB than Musa Mohammed. Musa Mohammed mayb for the future. He might deputise for Balogun for now.

And u are the one that wanted to give automatic jersey to Otigba from "Omerue".

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:01pm On Sep 18, 2016
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I don't know Rabiu and Ajagun to be wingers.

For the number 10 role Iheanacho is available. Etebo also plays 10.

Iwobi is naturally a winger and if he is injured just like the Tanzania game we have so many wingers na.. The coach can also draft a striker like Success to the wings.

I see Iwobi more like a creative midfielder than a Natural winger. In the game against Hull, he drifted a lot behind the attack and helped a lot. Looked comfortable there.

When you look at the likes of Ozil and Carzola who play a lot of the wings of Arsenal, you see that Wenger plays creative Midfielders on the wings.

Just like Pellegrini with Silva, Nasri and De Bruyne.

Rohr might feel differently and opt to play Iwobi behind the attack.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:02pm On Sep 18, 2016
Icon4s:


I don't know Rabiu and Ajagun to be wingers.

For the number 10 role Iheanacho is available. Etebo also plays 10.

Iwobi is naturally a winger and if he is injured just like the Tanzania game we have so many wingers na.. Musa, Etebo, Simon, Ezekiel, Moses .The coach can also draft a striker like Success to the wings.

These two players are naturally no 10.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:04pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Iwobi na number 10 for Nigeria National team. Etebor is no bi no 10 na no 8.

Iheanacho is not no 10. He is no 9 and no 8.

Iheanacho plays the ten role well. For Man City, he is a striker. That is where the coaches want him to play. Iheanacho said it many times he can play well in different roles. Including the ten role and on the wings.

Although, I prefer him striking because of his regular striking training at Manchester City
.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:05pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Leon Balogun under Keshi played as a RB. I would be more comfortable seeing him at RB than Musa Mohammed. Musa Mohammed mayb for the future. He might deputise for Balogun for now.

And u are then one that wanted to give automatic jersey to Otigba from "Omerue".

If we wan chop goal then play him at the RB. No wahala. grin

Not automatic, try him there first let us see if they will perform better. That's all. This on na world Cup oooo.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:07pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho plays the ten role well. For Man City, he is a striker. That is where the coaches want him to play. Iheanacho said it many times he can play well in different roles. Including the ten role and on the wings.

Although, I prefer him striking because of his regular striking training at Manchester City
.

Well, the last time I saw him played there, he flopped big time. The boy na goal scoring machine.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:08pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Iwobi na number 10 for Nigeria National team. Etebor is no bi no 10 na no 8.

Iheanacho is not no 10. He is no 9 and no 8.

Ah! U are mixing things up. I think u need to know the difference between a number a 10 & an 8.
In a 4-5-1, 4-2-3,1, 4-1-4-1 or 4-4-1-1 the player behind the CF is the number 10. While in the 4-4-2 formation the second striker (supporting striker) is the number 8. Iheanacho and Etebo can function well as either 10 or 8 depending on how the team is set up.

Iwobi has mostly been played as a winger for the national team.Although he can also play the number 10 role.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:15pm On Sep 18, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I see Iwobi more like a creative midfielder than a Natural winger. In the game against Hull, he drifted a lot behind the attack and helped a lot. Looked comfortable there.

When you look at the likes of Ozil and Carzola who play a lot of the wings of Arsenal, you see that Wenger plays creative Midfielders on the wings.

Just like Pellegrini with Silva, Nasri and De Bruyne.

Rohr might feel differently and opt to play Iwobi behind the attack.

Iwobi is a special kind of winger that brings to the table more than wings play.

He is not the stereotype kind of winger like Walcott, Chamberlain, Moses, Or Simon.

Some times I even imagine what he can do in the CMF position. Iwobi would have been AM but because there is an Ozil in the team he was converted to a winger. He plays so effortlessly and has brought a whole new dimension to wings play.

He looks more like a Kanu that an Okocha to me.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:15pm On Sep 18, 2016
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Well, the last time I saw him played there, he flopped big time. The boy na goal scoring machine.

What of the first time you saw Iheanacho play as a ten?

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