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giles14:
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US Air Force grounds F-35 fighter jets


Washington (CNN)The US Air Force said Friday it has grounded 10 of its F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, just over a month after they were declared "combat ready."

The decision affecting the most expensive weapons system ever was made "due to the discovery of peeling and crumbling insulation in avionics cooling lines inside the fuel tanks," the Air Force said in a statement, describing the action as a temporary pause in flight operations."
The faulty cooling lines affected a total of 57 aircraft, the statement said. Only 15 of those planes had been fielded with the remainder still on the production line and will be fixed there.
The plane's manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, has delivered 108 F-35As. The Air Force plans to buy 1,763 of the jets.
Of the 15 grounded aircraft already in the field, 10 had been declared combat ready, one was being used in testing, and the final four were for training, with two of those four training aircraft belonging to the Royal Norwegian Air Force.
"While nearing completion, the F-35 is still in development and challenges are to be expected," the Air Force said.
Representatives from the Air Force and Lockheed Martin's F-35 program told CNN that the defective cooling lines were not found in all the aircraft. They said the use of the faulty part was limited to one sub-contractor that did not work on all the planes.
"Safety is always our first consideration and Lockheed Martin is committed to resolving this issue as quickly as possible to return jets to flying status," Michael Rein, a spokesman for Lockheed Martin, told CNN in a statement.
The F-35 jet has been described as the most expensive weapons system in history with a program cost estimated to be $400 billion.
The F-35A is the Air Force's version of the jet, the US Marines and Navy will also have their own F-35 variants. Neither of the latter services' aircraft were affected.
Upon the Air Force F-35's receipt of initial operational capability status in August, Gen. Hawk Carlisle, commander of Air Combat Command, said: "The F-35A will be the most dominant aircraft in our inventory because it can go where our legacy aircraft cannot and provide the capabilities our commanders need on the modern battlefield."
The grounding of the planes was first reported by Bloomberg News.

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andrewza:


they got lots of choices. The gripen overs things the J10 can only dream of like a very effect EW suit, support programme a very cheap to maintain and fly aircraft. That where the real cost is by the way. in cost per flight noy unit cost

....But SAAF Gripens are not cheap to maintain. Where is your evidence to support the Gripen's EW suite is better than that on the J-10?

patches689:


And yet people chose it over the MIG-35

I wonder why...

The people who are buying the Gripen have no choice, other than to go for an average fighter which is very expensive, and is leveraging on the high cost of the Eurofighte, Super-Hornet and Rafale.


Czech republic = NATO member

Hungary = NATO member

South-Africa = Traditionally doesn't buy non-western equipment.

patches689:


Brazil's deal is expensive because it is for the latest Gripen which is a whole generation ahead.

It also includes funds for the development of the "sea-gripen" for their carrier.

The fact that people are willing to pay so much for the Gripen shows that it is not over-rated.

Botswana flies ex-Canada Air Force CF-5s, and are not known to purchase Eastern bloc equipment or equipment from the United States for that matter. They sure can't afford the Eurofighter or Rafale, leaving them with the only other choice, the Gripen C/D.


If Namibia goes for the J-10, they would be getting a significantly better fighter aircraft than both Botswana and South-Africa.

Henry240:


The people who are buying the Gripen have no choice, other than to go for an average fighter which is very expensive, and is leveraging on the high cost of the Eurofighte, Super-Hornet and Rafale.


Czech republic = NATO member

Hungary = NATO member

South-Africa = Traditionally doesn't buy non-western equipment.

Brazil? Then how about Thailand who ditched the larger and cheaper Su 30 in favour of the smaller and expensive Gripen?

ActivateKruger:


Brazil? Then how about Thailand who ditched the larger and cheaper Su 30 in favour of the smaller and expensive Gripen?

su 30 cheaper and deadlier but expensive to maintain
gripen expensive but cheaper to maintain.

Do not delude urslf thinking they chose the gripen bcux its a better fighter or sumfn
the numbers they bought says alot

Many of you hating Ivan and Woo equipment have ignored a major factor-price! Finally,the US has accepted that fact

:American firms face a “ real issue” trying to sell higher end machines, Aboulafia says. There are currently just five F-15 users after 40 years of trying to sell it internationally, and one non-U.S. user of the Super Hornet after 15 years of competitions, he says. “That's not good.”

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The majority of buyers over the coming decades will shop for fighters in the price range of the F-16 or the Mirage 2000, made by France’s Dassault Aviation, Aboulafia says. “And that is the market that we're in danger of abandoning.”

It is estimated that only seven countries could afford the Super Hornet and another seven might be candidates for the F-35, including Singapore, Japan, Israel and South Korea

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/lists/posts/post.aspx?ID=1320

Meaning? Expect to see more JF 17s and very soon Tejas taking to the sky.

Odunayaw:
su 30 cheaper and deadlier but expensive to maintain
gripen expensive but cheaper to maintain.

Do not delude urslf thinking they chose the gripen bcux its a better fighter or sumfn
the numbers they bought says alot

That the Gripen is cheap to maintain is an illusion. Having studied South-African Gripen maintenance of her Gripen, i can say they aren't cheap to maintain.


The Gripen is a light weight fighter, in the same class as the JF-17, FA-50 and LCA. The F-16, J-10 and Super-Hornet are medium weight. The SU-30 is a heavy weight fighter, same class as the F-15, Rafale and Eurofighter.


It's only decent we compare with fighters with comparable class.

ActivateKruger:


Brazil? Then how about Thailand who ditched the larger and cheaper Su 30 in favour of the smaller and expensive Gripen?

Thailand is a pro-western user. A US ally in Asia, they only use Western fighters and planes.


Brazil is getting the Gripen NG. That's a 5th GEN fighter.

Henry240:


That the Gripen is cheap to maintain is an illusion. Having studied South-African Gripen maintenance of her Gripen, i can say they aren't cheap to maintain.


The Gripen is a light weight fighter, in the same class as the JF-17, FA-50 and LCA. The F-16, J-10 and Super-Hornet are medium weight. The SU-30 is a heavy weight fighter, same class as the F-15, Rafale and Eurofighter.


It's only decent we compare with fighters with comparable class.

Exactly

Henry240:


The people who are buying the Gripen have no choice, other than to go for an average fighter which is very expensive, and is leveraging on the high cost of the Eurofighte, Super-Hornet and Rafale.


Czech republic = NATO member

Hungary = NATO member

South-Africa = Traditionally doesn't buy non-western equipment.

Go read the RAND report on the application of air power in Libya.

The Swedish chapter.

The Griffon isn't average. It has sharp EW teeth.

Henry240:


That the Gripen is cheap to maintain is an illusion. Having studied South-African Gripen maintenance of her Gripen, i can say they aren't cheap to maintain.


The Gripen is a light weight fighter, in the same class as the JF-17, FA-50 and LCA. The F-16, J-10 and Super-Hornet are medium weight. The SU-30 is a heavy weight fighter, same class as the F-15, Rafale and Eurofighter.


It's only decent we compare with fighters with comparable class.

when you read that it cost a particular jet per hour,several thousands dollars .a big chunk of that cost is fuel and also how much it cost to pay a pilot or technician in america isn't exact the same to a kenyan is paid.which is also factored in the cost of flying a jet per hour.

Henry240:


That the Gripen is cheap to maintain is an illusion. Having studied South-African Gripen maintenance of her Gripen, i can say they aren't cheap to maintain.


The Gripen is a light weight fighter, in the same class as the JF-17, FA-50 and LCA. The F-16, J-10 and Super-Hornet are medium weight. The SU-30 is a heavy weight fighter, same class as the F-15, Rafale and Eurofighter.


It's only decent we compare with fighters with comparable class.

Your opinion is based on the fat that SAAF is starved of funds.

The maintaining them is cheap. Only advanced versions of the F16 are comparable to the Griffon.

LCA, JF-17, FA-50 etc are still new.

To add. The Griffin is still the only fighter I know of that has the ability to add new capabilities just by receiving over-the-air updates without adding any new hardware. It's the same ability that allowed the Tesla Model S to add autopilot features while packed in people's garages.

So a Gripen 5 years later will have more capabilities without adding any physical gadget.... Now that's more bang for our Rands.

ActivateKruger:
To add. The Griffin is still the only fighter I know of that has the ability to add new capabilities just by receiving over-the-air updates without adding any new hardware. It's the same ability that allowed the Tesla Model S to add autopilot features while packed in people's garages.

So a Gripen 5 years later will have more capabilities without adding any physical gadget.... Now that's more bang for our Rands.

over the air update?
wot a good tool for Russian hackers.

MikeCZA:
Go read the RAND report on the application of air power in Libya.

The Swedish chapter.

The Griffon isn't average. It has sharp EW teeth.

The Gripen is an average plane. It is not a top-of-the-line fighter. The Rand report praises the recon ability of the Gripen, stating the Swedes performed 30% of all Recon flights in Libya. This is commendable, however every plane with a decent Targeting Pod can do this. SAAF Gripens carry the Carl Zieus Pod, there are tons of other Pods in the market which are just as good. Aselpod, Sniper, Thales pod are some of the best in the market.


The Americans using F/A-18s, French Rafales and British Tornados had already wrecked whatever was left of Libyan Air Defences. Infact Air Defences in Libya were virtually non-existent. You cannot claim EW prowess in an environment were no credible defences are present.

Nemesis2u, too bad you're currently serving a ban, this is your sort of engagement.

MikeCZA:
Your opinion is based on the fat that SAAF is starved of funds.

The maintaining them is cheap. Only advanced versions of the F16 are comparable to the Griffon.

LCA, JF-17, FA-50 etc are still new.

If the SAAF is starved off funds, how do you suppose Botswana is going to maintain her incoming Gripen.


Not true. The Gripen is a decent Aircrafts, but Fighters such as the F-16 Block 52 are significantly better than the Gripen. Capabilities of the Gripen put is just ahead of F-16 Block 40 aircrafts.


LCA, JF-17 and FA-50 are all new, however on paper, there capabilities and that of the Gripen are the same. LCA MK 2 comes with an AESA radar is ahead of the Gripen C/D, i only won't rate it because it isn't in production yet.

africaken254:
when you read that it cost a particular jet per hour,several thousands dollars .a big chunk of that cost is fuel and also how much it cost to pay a pilot or technician in america isn't exact the same to a kenyan is paid.which is also factored in the cost of flying a jet per hour.

Why would the cost of paying a pilot be included in the cost flying an aircraft?

When i read the per-hour flight cost, i usually only factor in cost of fuel, maintenance cyscle before each flight and cost of bombs.

ActivateKruger:
To add. The Griffin is still the only fighter I know of that has the ability to add new capabilities just by receiving over-the-air updates without adding any new hardware. It's the same ability that allowed the Tesla Model S to add autopilot features while packed in people's garages.

So a Gripen 5 years later will have more capabilities without adding any physical gadget.... Now that's more bang for our Rands.

Software upgrades allow all modern aircrafts which a flown by computers do what they couldn't previously. It is just an operating system upgrade. All modern fighters can carry out OS upgrades, the capability you mention is not an advantage.

ActivateKruger:


Henry240, all the information you have about the Gripen is publicly available information. Classified systems that you and I know are not aware of are also part of the bill. Henry240, just because you have certain Googled info about a product then you think you're the expect.

Your views and feelings about the Gripen won't change the prices. If your military can't afford a $65 million machine then don't go bitching about it.

What is available is what is available. Until you can prove what is unavailable to be available, then what you think is available does not exist. Your analogy can be applied to other aircrafts, not just the Gripen.


I don't claim to be an expert. I'm saying the Gripen is an average fighter, and based on available public documents, the Gripen is only an Average fighter leveraging on the lack of western alternatives in it's class. You don't have to be an expert to know this.


I find your last comment most unfortunate and won't be dragged into an internet brawl. However for the record, acquisition taken by countries are primarily based on threat assessments, politics and price.


Nigeria has been flying Strike missions since 1993 all across the West-African sub-region. Based on threat assessment, we have a requirement for a state-of-the-art, modern light weight 4th GEN aircraft which is geared towards a primary Strike mission role and a secondary Air Defence role. This is what we are getting with the JF-17.


It is not bitching, it's just common sense.


The F-16 Block 52 is a better aircraft, and is a much better proposition for $65m.

Henry240:


The Gripen is an average plane. It is not a top-of-the-line fighter. The Rand report praises the recon ability of the Gripen, stating the Swedes performed 30% of all Recon flights in Libya. This is commendable, however every plane with a decent Targeting Pod can do this. SAAF Gripens carry the Carl Zieus Pod, there are tons of other Pods in the market which are just as good. Aselpod, Sniper, Thales pod are some of the best in the market.


The Americans using F/A-18s, French Rafales and British Tornados had already wrecked whatever was left of Libyan Air Defences. Infact Air Defences in Libya were virtually non-existent. You cannot claim EW prowess in an environment were no credible defences are present.

Go read the RAND report. The Swedish experience chapter.

SAAF Gripen are also equipped with the Thales Digital koint reconnaissance pod.


Air surveillance isn't about taking pictures.


There's a reason some new fighters carry EW pods.


The Griffon has sharp EW teeth.

Henry240:


If the SAAF is starved off funds, how do you suppose Botswana is going to maintain her incoming Gripen.


Not true. The Gripen is a decent Aircrafts, but Fighters such as the F-16 Block 52 are significantly better than the Gripen. Capabilities of the Gripen put is just ahead of F-16 Block 40 aircrafts.


LCA, JF-17 and FA-50 are all new, however on paper, there capabilities and that of the Gripen are the same. LCA MK 2 comes with an AESA radar is ahead of the Gripen C/D, i only won't rate it because it isn't in production yet.

The don't have an air force yet.

The fact SAAF is starved of funds doesn't mean others will face the same problem. As we calculate and have different SOPs.

Only comparable to advanced versions of the F16.

Yes, on paper.

Lower speeds and rated at 8g. The LCA can't be compared to advanced versions of the F16 or the Gripen.

Henry240:


Why would the cost of paying a pilot be included in the cost flying an aircraft?

When i read the per-hour flight cost, i usually only factor in cost of fuel, maintenance cyscle before each flight and cost of bombs.

so when you order a meal in a restaurant ,don't you think the person who prepared that meal is factored in the cost of the meal !?

Henry240:



....But SAAF Gripens are not cheap to maintain. Where is your evidence to support the Gripen's EW suite is better than that on the J-10?

They are.

And they are certainly cheaper than anything else.

Henry240:


The people who are buying the Gripen have no choice, other than to go for an average fighter which is very expensive, and is leveraging on the high cost of the Eurofighte, Super-Hornet and Rafale.


Czech republic = NATO member

Hungary = NATO member

South-Africa = Traditionally doesn't buy non-western equipment.

Thailand, Brazil, Argentina, Botswana....

Henry240:


Botswana flies ex-Canada Air Force CF-5s, and are not known to purchase Eastern bloc equipment or equipment from the United States for that matter. They sure can't afford the Eurofighter or Rafale, leaving them with the only other choice, the Gripen C/D.


If Namibia goes for the J-10, they would be getting a significantly better fighter aircraft than both Botswana and South-Africa.

If the East was offering a significantly better fighter for a lower price they would buy it.

Or are you saying the Botswanans are incompetent?

Why would an F-16 clone be better?

Odunayaw:
su 30 cheaper and deadlier but expensive to maintain
gripen expensive but cheaper to maintain.

Do not delude urslf thinking they chose the gripen bcux its a better fighter or sumfn
the numbers they bought says alot

Maybe its more to do with the fact that they dont need an twin engined air superiority fighter that can be taken out by a Gripen...

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