mavverick:
Does anyone know what the Pop is made of, and why is it impossible to have a Pop manufacturing plant in Nigeria. This is one area Dangote can explore if he wants to expand his empire.

Pop is made of calcium sulfate (gypsum). We have abundance of it in nigeria.
I was just discussing with someone today and he said there is abundant availability of it in the north.
There is sufficient quantity in ogun state also and it's used in part of cement production there to control setting time.
Dangote uses it as additive in cement and it's gotten on his ibeshe plant. I washed the demonstration documentary when they opened the plant.
I've thought about it and even discussed it with my big brother on nairaland when he was enquiring about chemical import ideas with me.
The production is fairly straightforward but the energy and invariably the production cost may deter investors.
The gypsum exists in hydrated form and it's heated to a temperature to partially drive of the water of hydration and ground to powder.
When it gets in contact with water again, it's rehydrate back to the original form it was and thicken as a result. So the water used in pop actually remains in it even in the hard state. The excess water dries out but it's very hard already even before the excess water dries.
So basically, the natural state it exists in nature even in nigeria is the form it exists in your pop ceiling. It's just heated to partially dry off the hydration water and ground (recycled).
That's why it has fire retardant property. When in contact with flame, it releases steam that reduces surface temperature and slows spread of fire.

mavverick:
Does anyone know what the Pop is made of, and why is it impossible to have a Pop manufacturing plant in Nigeria. This is one area Dangote can explore if he wants to expand his empire.

I have no idea what it is made of. But as big as Dangote is, you mean his company doesnt produce it?

mufutau55:


I didn't want to cc Dominionng because my whole job may be going to him anyway. That question was just for a friend who already have all the materials handy.

Hajji M.

Oh no problem

mavverick:
Engineer Agba !!

I hail o


I have some curious questions

# what is the diameter of the bores for this fence and what is the depth below natural ground level.
# I can see this area is water logged, is it Lekki and if so which area there ?
# If you continue to drill the bore, will you not hit water table and if so what will you do if that happens ?
# If you were to hit water table, will cement mix just not be dissolving inside it ?
# Is there any concept of sheet piling in Nigeria ?
# Lets say you have your bores 3M apart, to save cost can a short beam be done and then you chain it and then blocks set ?
# If the above cannot be done for technical reasons, does it now mean that we are back to concrete beams in between bore piles, sets say 4 board ?
# Is it beneficial to have an inverted T beam between bore piles if using piling ?


I know its a lot of questions, but please remember you have a lot of students oo Engineer Agba.

#300mm with 4m depths (short bore pile)
#Yeah. Lekki, Ologolo area (Kenny site )
#Basically, there is something we call safe bearing capacity underneath the soil. Which need to be determined in d process of soil test.In fact, that's the essence of d soil test. So It is expected to bore below water table ,clay etc to reach good sharp sand which we may refer to as safe bearing capacity.
#That is d essence of using sack and even chemical where necessary
#Sheet pilling? I no no that one o . Do u mean case pilling?
#Absolutely. Na so we wan do am
#U don't need inverted beam having pile.... Just beam to chain d pile

abunafiu:

you're simply the best.
I have no reason not to patronise you.
because I am sure of what I am buying.
you know what Ure selling.
sir, Pls keep up your attitude.
God bless you.

And Bless you too Sir,
Thanks so much for the Kind Words, They mean alot.

DUNKA:
gbam!

Chief, Long time.
Hope say you dey enjoy everything

Kieldgreat:
Just got this quote from my Electrician for wiring a 3-bedroom flat. Bosses in the house kindly advise. E no go good make person chop me for this Buharinomics.

4 bundles 20mm pipe - 3000ea - 12000
1 bundle 25mm pipe - 4500ea - 4500
6 packets 3X3 socket box - 500 ea - 3000
2 packets 3X6 Socket box - 500ea - 1000
2 packets U Box - 1500ea - 3000
3 packets Looping Box- 1500 each - 3000
2 packets 20mm Male Bush - 1500ea - 3000
1 packet 25mm Male bush - 2500ea - 2500
1 Distribution Box - 15000 - - 15000
2pcs 6X6 Adaptable Box - 800ea - 1600
1pc Cooker unit cover - 1000 - 1000
2 packets 20mm Coupler - 1200ea - 2400

Workmanship for laying pipes - 50,000

For Wiring:

6 coils 1.5mm Red - 3500 each - 21000
5 coils 1.5mm Black - 3500 each - 17500
4 coils 2.5mm Red - 4500 each - 18000
4 coils 2.5mm Black - 4500 each - 18000
1 coil 10mm loading wire - 15000
1 coil 2.5mm coaxial cable - 4000
1 Ceramic cut out fuse - 1000
1pc 2.5mm earth - 5000
1 coil 1.5mm Green - 3500

Workmanship for wiring - 70,000

Total - 281,000

Thanks

if U insist on original Nigerian wires.
these are price of comet star wires.

1.0mm - 3800. for earth
1.5mm - 5200 for lighting point
2.5mm - 8400 for sockets
4.0mm - 13600 for ac, water heaters, cooker
6.0mm - 21000 for 2hp ac, generator supply
10mm - 35600 main load wire

your place is a 3 bedroom flat, either use England mem distribution board or insist on original A & Bt
either buy D 8 single phase or D 4 3 phase

allCopacetic:

Chief, Long time.
Hope say you dey enjoy everything

yes,excellent products

segcymoor:
It may surprise to average client that ordinary fence may required pilling





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This fence collapsed due to heavy flood and. Pilling is d best option

Why would one build in such environment beats me. With due apologies to Hajj M: I don't just get it ! All I can say is this is just a classic case of herd mentality: Herd mentality describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, home décor (property/land purchase) etc. That is making decisions based upon the actions of others, it is a widely held view that humans flock like sheep and birds, subconsciously following a minority of individuals. Research shows it takes a minority of just five per cent to influence a crowd’s direction – and that the other 95 per cent follow without realizing it. Fela called it Follow Follow mentality (Zombie). This explains why one will buy Atlantic Ocean for land just because it is Lekki......wanting to belong. I don't get it !

diordaves:

Why would one build in such environment beats me. With due apologies to Hajj M: I don't just get it ! All I can say is this is just a classic case of herd mentality: Herd mentality describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, home décor (property/land purchase) etc. That is making decisions based upon the actions of others, it is a widely held view that humans flock like sheep and birds, subconsciously following a minority of individuals. Research shows it takes a minority of just five per cent to influence a crowd’s direction – and that the other 95 per cent follow without realizing it. Fela called it Follow Follow mentality (Zombie). This explains why one will buy Atlantic Ocean for land just because it is Lekki......wanting to belong. I don't get it !

My Brother Diordaves, I am with you on this one o.
Personally, even with the Dasuki share that I got, I will never look at waterlog area twice.
But those who like to buy and develop waterlog area and can afford it can keep buying and developing it.

Hajji M.

Does anybody know the current rate of 5 Tonnes of gravel supply to site in Ibadan?

Manuella4ace:


if U insist on original Nigerian wires.
these are price of comet star wires.

1.0mm - 3800. for earth
1.5mm - 5200 for lighting point
2.5mm - 8400 for sockets
4.0mm - 13600 for ac, water heaters, cooker
6.0mm - 21000 for 2hp ac, generator supply
10mm - 35600 main load wire

your place is a 3 bedroom flat, either use England mem distribution board or insist on original A & Bt
either buy D 8 single phase or D 4 3 phase

Boss 6mm is too much for 2hp AC. 4mm is okay for single phase AC up to 3hp.

Thanks

mufutau55:


My Brother Diordaves, I am with you on this one o.
Even with the Dasuki share that I got, I will never look at waterlog area twice.

Hajji M.

Ahah.
I nor tell Una

diordaves:


Why would one build in such environment beats me. With due apologies to Hajj M: I don't just get it ! All I can say is this is just a classic case of herd mentality: Herd mentality describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, home décor (property/land purchase) etc. That is making decisions based upon the actions of others, it is a widely held view that humans flock like sheep and birds, subconsciously following a minority of individuals. Research shows it takes a minority of just five per cent to influence a crowd’s direction – and that the other 95 per cent follow without realizing it. Fela called it Follow Follow mentality (Zombie). This explains why one will buy Atlantic Ocean for land just because it is Lekki......wanting to belong. I don't get it !

To start it, this is back side of our site due to recent heavy down pour.However, I think it is unfair to conclude that people craving to get properties in Lekki out of inability to think differently .(Bros,they fit think because u no fit afford am o ) But me no u fit sha.
Na value dey dey buy not the land.Water no be big.deal if done properly. As a matter of fact, many place in Lagos worst than this still no value
A case study is this where we are working recently. I ve done atleast 3 pilling in Lekki but d terrain no bad as this mainland pilling.... 12m deep!!!!..we even ve 35m deep in some area in mainland. Which can never happen in Lekki.

Manuella4ace:


if U insist on original Nigerian wires.
these are price of comet star wires.

1.0mm - 3800. for earth
1.5mm - 5200 for lighting point
2.5mm - 8400 for sockets
4.0mm - 13600 for ac, water heaters, cooker
6.0mm - 21000 for 2hp ac, generator supply
10mm - 35600 main load wire

your place is a 3 bedroom flat, either use England mem distribution board or insist on original A & Bt
either buy D 8 single phase or D 4 3 phase

Thanks boss.

jossy26:
Morning house, does anyone know about the lagos state e-building plan permit? As anyone successfully completed process? Is it different from the old building approval we used to?
It is called lagos epp

It is different in many ways! At least the Govt tries to "capture" its own income directly, into its pocket instead of the pocket of "fake" building approvals and Agents.
Judging by our level of bureaucracy, l suspect it may take a life-time to complete the process.
That said, doing things "online" is always a step forward, especially in the area of transparency

APPLICANT LOGIN GUIDE FOR THE PROCESSING OF E-PLANNING PERMIT

I. Registration on e- Planning Permit Portal

Log on to www.lagosepp.com.ng
Click register and inputs Personal Details, including e-mail address (click on login if on subsequent visit)
An account is automatically created, with a link to email for confirmation
Confirm account and log in
Applicant’s Dashboard is generated

II. 1st Screening

Click on “Start New Screening”
An Instruction Page pops up
Read the instructions and click ‘I agree’ to continue and disagree to dis continue.
Pre- Screen Form pop-up for completion of application details and site location
Complete and Submit
Reference/Screening No. (IKJ/ePPID/2016/2) is generated
Click on ‘uploading of documents’
Upload Architectural Drawings, Title Document & Survey Plan
Click ‘submit’

III. Part-Payment

Applicant is prompted for payment of part processing fee part-processing fee of N10,000:00 (Ten Thousand Naira only)
Screening Number and Mpay Reference Number is generated for payment
Click on “Proceed to make Payment” through Debit Card, Internet Banking, POS
Select Bank or use Credit /Debit Card for payment and click ‘Continue’.
Complete the Payment Form then click ‘Continue to Proceed to Pay’ using the Mpay Reference Number received through the e-mail to make payment via Internet Banking, POS Terminal or at Bank Branch.

IV Payment Validation:

Enter Mpay Reference Number and click on ‘Validate’
Lagos State Government Electronic Banking System (EBS)-RCM Platform pop up for payment, showing: Personal Information, Revenue Details, Payment Details, Revenue Code etc.
System generates Lagos State Government Treasury Receipt after payment.
View Application on the platform, then click on ‘Continue to Confirm Payment’
Input Screening Number and Receipt Number to confirm Part Payment and click ‘Submit’

V. Site Inspection

Check email for notification of:
Successful payment of part processing fee
Successful screening of Documents or comments for amendment
Invitation for Site inspection
Request for upload of Engineering Drawings (where necessary) and other documents, after a successful site inspection and screening of Architectural Drawing.

VI. 2nd Screening

Upload Structural Drawings (for 2Floors & above), Mechanical & Electrical Drawings (for 4 Floors & above) and other relevant documents for screening where applicable.
After a successful screening of all Engineering details and other relevant documents applicant will be informed for successful screening or comments for amendment.

VII. Post-Screening Process: Balance Payment and Application Form

Check mail for:
Successful site inspection.
Successful screening of all drawing or comments for amendment.
If no comments, Request for Payment of Balance of Assessment Fee (after deduction of the part processing fee of N10,000.00K).
Upload amended drawings and documents.
Click or login on the payment portal displayed on the mail http://mpay.ebsrcm.com/mpay/lasg/home with applicant Mpay Reference Number to make balance processing fee.
Log-in to the EPP portal -www.lagosepp.com.ng to confirm payment.
Click ‘Confirm Payment’, enter the Receipt Number and click ‘Submit’
Application Form is enabled for completion by the Applicant as required.
Complete Application Form.
Applicant can check email and Dashboard for status of Application (Stages) regularly.
Applicant will be duly informed at the completion of stages of application process.

VIII Collection of Permit

Check email for notification of Permit collection.
Print Permit Notification Letter and with 5 Sets of Screened Architectural, Structural, Mechanical and Electrical Drawing dully signed and sealed by Relevant Professionals as applicable for endorsement.

Everything you need to know, as detailed/copied above, is on their website.
**I have not "successfully" completed the process using the platform.***




Lastpage!

Thanks Mr Lastpage for the response, have asked some agents about it and all of them are claiming ignorance because they know no more agency fees and all that.
The site is even showing less than 100permits have been completed so far which means many people are not aware.

Online is the way to go wish they can do same for applying for c of o, governors consent etc without using all those fake agents and lawyer

gbadexy:

Pop is made of calcium sulfate (gypsum). We have abundance of it in nigeria.
I was just discussing with someone today and he said there is abundant availability of it in the north.
There is sufficient quantity in ogun state also and it's used in part of cement production there to control setting time.
Dangote uses it as additive in cement and it's gotten on his ibeshe plant. I washed the demonstration documentary when they opened the plant.
I've thought about it and even discussed it with my big brother on nairaland when he was enquiring about chemical import ideas with me.
The production is fairly straightforward but the energy and invariably the production cost may deter investors.
The gypsum exists in hydrated form and it's heated to a temperature to partially drive of the water of hydration and ground to powder.
When it gets in contact with water again, it's rehydrate back to the original form it was and thicken as a result. So the water used in pop actually remains in it even in the hard state. The excess water dries out but it's very hard already even before the excess water dries.
So basically, the natural state it exists in nature even in nigeria is the form it exists in your pop ceiling. It's just heated to partially dry off the hydration water and ground (recycled).
That's why it has fire retardant property. When in contact with flame, it releases steam that reduces surface temperature and slows spread of fire.

Nobody will think about this now. Instead we will be going about abusing each other on cyberspace. When the Chinese move in now and start making millions on a daily basis from it, we will start crying that the Chinese are carting away millions from our backyard.

Have to support you on this one. Let everybody buy whatever they want to buy after all the owner of the site no come ask us for contribution to complete his site.

Besides, how about Eko Atlantic and Banana Island. All those people cannot be stupid na. They spend thier money on whatever they like, so no need to criticize them for thier choice. We all have choices and preferences, and just because others do not follow our choices, no need to harshly criticize.

segcymoor:


To start it, this is back side of our site due to recent heavy down pour.However, I think it is unfair to conclude that people craving to get properties in Lekki out of inability to think differently .(Bros,they fit think because u no fit afford am o ) But me no u fit sha.
Na value dey dey buy not the land.Water no be big.deal if done properly. As a matter of fact, many place in Lagos worst than this still no value
A case study is this where we are working recently. I ve done atleast 3 pilling in Lekki but d terrain no bad as this mainland pilling.... 12m deep!!!!..we even ve 35m deep in some area in mainland. Which can never happen in Lekki.

Thanks for all your answers, learnt a lot.
Below are pics from sheet piling from a Canadian firm. I dont recall ever seeing such in nija, all tends to be concrete. This is much quicker.

segcymoor:

#300mm with 4m depths (short bore pile)
#Yeah. Lekki, Ologolo area (Kenny site )
#Basically, there is something we call safe bearing capacity underneath the soil. Which need to be determined in d process of soil test.In fact, that's the essence of d soil test. So It is expected to bore below water table ,clay etc to reach good sharp sand which we may refer to as safe bearing capacity.
#That is d essence of using sack and even chemical where necessary
#Sheet pilling? I no no that one o . Do u mean case pilling?
#Absolutely. Na so we wan do am
#U don't need inverted beam having pile.... Just beam to chain d pile

mavverick:
Thanks for all your answers, learnt a lot.
Below are pics from sheet piling from a Canadian firm. I dont recall ever seeing such in nija, all tends to be concrete. This is much quicker.

Oh! This. It's here .used manly for Jetty area

I see, used a lot for various purposes. The pic below is a site I drove pass. It was used to hold back lateral pressure from neighboring buildings (I think)
What do you think about its potential use in Nigeria ?

segcymoor:

Oh! This. It's here .used manly for Jetty area

NL1960:


Nobody will think about this now. Instead we will be going about abusing each other on cyberspace. When the Chinese move in now and start making millions on a daily basis from it, we will start crying that the Chinese are carting away millions from our backyard.

My esteemed Oga!
I was discussing with an automobile and marine industrial paint manufacturer just yesterday about the persistent rise in dollars and imported materials. The man said the gypsum export is the major forex earner for Tunisia. Most of the gypsum imported into the country us from Tunisia.
The man said there is over abundance of the gypsum in the north and was cursing the crude oil that has made us lazy.
I dare say the solid mineral present in the country can earn us more money than the crude oil but our political leaders are used to free oil money.
Many of these minerals are already being mined illegally and exported. Someone told me some Chinese export some woods back to their country weekly in containers and they are cut at arm size. We just both laughed over it and concluded it's no ordinary wood but as we don't know the value, we couldn't do anything. Perhaps it's the type ideal for toothpick or matchstick.
The oyinbos barely scratched the surface of the minerals we have due to the limited technology they had when they colonized us and stole our resources.
This country is the perfect definition of irony. Lacking in the midst of plenty.
We just want easy business. Only the foreigners invest money prospecting and targeting profit on the long term.
Your comment may just be the solution with licence given to a foreign firm and they should be taxed heavily or have a public private partnership with equal stake with the state government.

Oga back2sender

Na u dey talk like this, people are not smiling oo.
For those old enough to remember Jim Nwobodo as sports minister during his tenure, and before a football competition the scoreboard at national stadium surulere was stolen. So pop would only take a few minutes

Also read this extract from the Guardian.

back2sender:

Oga mave why you dey patent your work like this, Nobody go steal am

Oga gbadexy

I salute you.
Whilst I share your views, let us look at it from another angle.

# Oil money is easy compared to other source of mass wealth, the infrastructure is already on ground, just switch on the pumps and the dollars will be flowing in.
# Various cartels exist and you will upset them if you turn off thier oil money.
# Few foreign companies would want to setup shop in Nigeria, especially European and American ones. Why ? Corruption and the fact that few things work.
# To get anything done, you need to give brown envelopes and kick backs. Most countries, at least I know UK and USA have like anti bribery laws, such that any of thier companies should get caught bribing Nigerian officials, if caught they can get heavily fined and jail terms. The Chinese spring to mind, they operate like this, dont ask, dont tell. Let us do what we want to do, and we will make sure all deals are secret. This is the reason why you see a lot of south Asian countries and the Chinese primarily operating in Nigeria, look at construction, engineering, importation and car/franchise dealerships and i am sure many more.

Let me ask you a question and to others as well, Would you have preferred if Nigeria was under colonial/apartheid rule (like South Africa before they were set free) for another 30 years after 1960 or you prefer it like this the status quo (independence 1st October 1960)?

gbadexy:

My esteemed Oga!
I was discussing with an automobile and marine industrial paint manufacturer just yesterday about the persistent rise in dollars and imported materials. The man said the gypsum export is the major forex earner for Tunisia. Most of the gypsum imported into the country us from Tunisia.
The man said there is over abundance of the gypsum in the north and was cursing the crude oil that has made us lazy.
I dare say the solid mineral present in the country can earn us more money than the crude oil but our political leaders are used to free oil money.
Many of these minerals are already being mined illegally and exported. Someone told me some Chinese export some woods back to their country weekly in containers and they are cut at arm size. We just both laughed over it and concluded it's no ordinary wood but as we don't know the value, we couldn't do anything. Perhaps it's the type ideal for toothpick or matchstick.
The oyinbos barely scratched the surface of the minerals we have due to the limited technology they had when they colonized us and stole our resources.
This country is the perfect definition of irony. Lacking in the midst of plenty.
We just want easy business. Only the foreigners invest money prospecting and targeting profit on the long term.
Your comment may just be the solution with licence given to a foreign firm and they should be taxed heavily or have a public private partnership with equal stake with the state government.

mavverick:
Oga gbadexy

I salute you.
Whilst I share your views, let us look at it from another angle.

# Oil money is easy compared to other source of mass wealth, the infrastructure is already on ground, just switch on the pumps and the dollars will be flowing in.
# Various cartels exist and you will upset them if you turn off thier oil money.
# Few foreign companies would want to setup shop in Nigeria, especially European and American ones. Why ? Corruption and the fact that few things work.
# To get anything done, you need to give brown envelopes and kick backs. Most countries, at least I know UK and USA have like anti bribery laws, such that any of thier companies should get caught bribing Nigerian officials, if caught they can get heavily fined and jail terms. The Chinese spring to mind, they operate like this, dont ask, dont tell. Let us do what we want to do, and we will make sure all deals are secret. This is the reason why you see a lot of south Asian countries and the Chinese primarily operating in Nigeria, look at construction, engineering, importation and car/franchise dealerships and i am sure many more.

Let me ask you a question and to others as well, Would you have preferred if Nigeria was under colonial/apartheid rule (like South Africa before they were set free) for another 30 years after 1960 or you prefer it like this the status quo (independence 1st October 1960)?

Apologies to anyone that finds this offensive, but I would prefer it if the colonial masters still rule us till now. In fact if it's possible for them to rule us on request based on referendum, I would be delighted .
The presence of the whites presently in south africa is the reason they are still making progress. I don't think the blacks contribute much to their development asides from being in government.

Thanks for your honest and candid views.
No need to apologise to anyone, you are perfectly entitled to hold your views and opinions. Same way nobody should apologise for practicing any form of religion.

Safe to say that referendum is least LIKELY to happen. Just imagine how it would sound to our neighboring African brothers and sisters. Would you favour a system where we are ruled by technocrats only, not really the Chinese model but something like the communist party of technocrats? or what they tried to do with the TCN (Transmission Company of Nigeria) by bringing in foreign management consultants to manage its affairs and make decisions.

gbadexy:


Apologies to anyone that finds this offensive, but I would prefer it if the colonial masters still rule us till now. In fact if it's possible for them to rule us on request based on referendum, I would be delighted .
The presence of the whites presently in south africa is the reason they are still making progress. I don't think the blacks contribute much to their development asides from being in government.

mavverick:
Thanks for your honest and candid views.
No need to apologise to anyone, you are perfectly entitled to hold your views and opinions. Same way nobody should apologise for practicing any form of religion.

Safe to say that referendum is least LIKELY to happen. Just imagine how it would sound to our neighboring African brothers and sisters. Would you favour a system where we are ruled by technocrats only, not really the Chinese model but something like the communist party of technocrats? or what they tried to do with the TCN (Transmission Company of Nigeria) by bringing in foreign management consultants to manage its affairs and make decisions.

As long as the foreign technocrats are given free hand to operate which I doubt is possible.
Perhaps too much diversity in tribe and religion is our problem.
Successful European countries are nations with similar race and religion so they only choose leaders based on merit. Same could be said to be the reason for the relative success experienced under the regional government in nigeria.

Chai

Ijoba AWOLOWO !
That would not happen now o, I doubt it sha. When I have discussed this during beer parlour talk of the country splitting by the river Niger and Benue lines. Everybody seems to think the hausa's would be worse off, but I do not believe that. They have abundance of untapped resources and fertile ground, you saw what happened with the tomato fiasco. And you also know the SS people will say they are not Igbos

If they (Hausas) stop doing BankaDEDE, they will not be worse off. I also hear oil exists within the Chad basin, may not be in commercial quantities to warrant exploration activities. I read the Northern governors have contracted a British firm to search for Oil in the North.

gbadexy:

As long as the foreign technocrats are given free hand to operate which I doubt is possible.
Perhaps too much diversity in tribe and religion is our problem.
Successful European countries are nations with similar race and religion so they only choose leaders based on merit. Same could be said to be the reason for the relative success experienced under the regional government in nigeria.

gbadexy:


Apologies to anyone that finds this offensive, but I would prefer it if the colonial masters still rule us till now. In fact if it's possible for them to rule us on request based on referendum, I would be delighted .
The presence of the whites presently in south africa is the reason they are still making progress. I don't think the blacks contribute much to their development asides from being in government.

Colonialism us a crime against humanity and one the most absurd concept used by so called WHITE to steal and kill most third world nation.

White don't developed the indigenous population, they dominate, exclude and marginalized host community wherever they settled. Look at the native American in the state, look at black South Africans in South Africa, look at aborigines in Australia, look at native Canadian etc. The so called WHITE create all these mess all over the world.

Our biggest problem is the type and quality of education we inherited from the so called white, they rule us for more than 60years and leave us in a serious mess, with no infrastructure, an artificial nation build on divide and rule etc.

Black or dark skin people are also capable of building a great nation if left alone, we can build our roads, electricity, factory etc if allowed to live in peace.

South Africa is in trouble because of apartheid which discriminated against native.
How would you feel if you are not allowed to attend the University just because you are Black/dark skin?
How would you feel when you are systematically camped in a getto, all your ancestorer land taking away from you because you are black?

South Africa black are one of the poorest group in South Africa because of white injustice.

I will take up arm to fight any white or Chinese invader that want to take over my country

mavverick:
Chai

Ijoba AWOLOWO !
That would not happen now o, I doubt it sha. When I have discussed this during beer parlour talk of the country splitting by the river Niger and Benue lines. Everybody seems to think the hausa's would be worse off, but I do not believe that. They have abundance of untapped resources and fertile ground, you saw what happened with the tomato fiasco. And you also know the SS people will say they are not Igbos

If they (Hausas) stop doing BankaDEDE, they will not be worse off. I also hear oil exists within the Chad basin, may not be in commercial quantities to warrant exploration activities. I read the Northern governors have contracted a British firm to search for Oil in the North.

Northern Nigeria will be worse off simply because they lack access to the sea.

The oil in Chad basin is of low economic value because of the quantity.
Do you know that Republic of Chad is an oil producing nation, they get about US200m from oil per annum, yet one of the poorest country on earth.

Oil, gypsum, iron ore don't necessarily developed a nation. A country human resources does. A nation developed when her human resources is equipped, serious and determine to developed.

Nigeria and all other Africa state are nation of confused people. People who will rather spend 100billion Naira on pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia than invest in small scale manufacturering, mining or commercial agriculture.

We have religion, an imported ideology from the west and arab to occupy our mind with.

gbadexy:

As long as the foreign technocrats are given free hand to operate which I doubt is possible.
Perhaps too much diversity in tribe and religion is our problem.
Successful European countries are nations with similar race and religion so they only choose leaders based on merit. Same could be said to be the reason for the relative success experienced under the regional government in nigeria.

So many eastern European nation are poor, Infact majority of the world population leave in abject poverty. Prosperity is not a European thing

South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and other East Asians nation has proved to us that it is possible to developed a great nation comparable to the west Europe or North America when the citizen are focus, ready and willing to sacrifice.

We are to blame for Nigeria under development and any foreign film or European expertriate is interested in taking from us.