1.Origins of the Yoruba kingdom, Ijebu of pre-colonial Nigeria:

Ijebu (also known as Jebu or Geebu) was a Yoruba kingdom in pre-colonial Nigeria. It formed around the fifteenth century.According to legend, its ruling dynasty was founded by Obanta of Ile-Ife...

John Lliffe. Africans: The History of a Continent. Cambridge University Press. p. 80.


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2.Migration from the Wadai Kingdom (modern day Sudan):

Obanta (originally Ogborogan) was the first king of the Ijebu kingdom who reigned in the 14th century in what is now Ogun State, Nigeria.
Obanta led a migration of people from Wadai, an area near the modern-day Sudan.

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3.The origins of the Wadai Kingdom:

The Wadai Empire was a kingdom located to the east of Lake Chad in present-day Chad and in the Central African Republic. It emerged in the sixteenth century as an offshoot of the Sultanate of Darfur (in present-day Sudan) to the northeast of the Kingdom of Baguirmi.

The Sultanate of Darfur was a pre-colonial Nile Valley state in present-day Sudan.

4.Migrated from Nubia:

The Tunjur were the ruling class of Darfur and Wadai. According to their traditions they are descendants of the Banu Hilal who migrated from Arabia to the Central Sudan either by way of North Africa and Tunis or by way of [size=14pt]Nubia[/size].

Arkell, A. J., "A History of Darfur. Part II: The Tunjur etc.", Sudan Notes and Records, 32, 2 (1951), 207-238.


(Images of the people of Dafur, north west Sudanese people, share a common ancestor with Yoruba people -- Descendants of Ancient Nubians)

The last pic is no doubt Yoruba

Image showing map of Nubian Population migration starting from the early AD to today's Yoruba Land

1. Yoruba Land (Ijebu-Ado)
2. NorthWest Nigeria
3. Lake Chad (Wadai Kingdom)
4. Dafur region
5. Sultanate kingdom of the 14th century, (Ancient Nubian descendants of the Nile valley)

fuckpro:
The last pic is no doubt Yoruba

technically the Yorubas came from his people's family tree

Yorubas share common Ancestors with dufur people of the Wandai kingdom 12th century
(Last two photos taken in the early 1900s, shows nobel men of North-West Chad that share a lineage with the Yoruba people split by migration into West Africa)

comparison to Yoruba Obas

Rivertemz:
Yorubas share common Ancestors with dufur people of the Wandai kingdom 12th century
(Last two photos taken in the early 1900s, shows nobel men of North-West Chad that share a lineage with the Yoruba people split by migration into West Africa)

This is a really interesting thread- good job! Do you know why they split when migrating into West Africa?

Lmao.



1. Obanta was a prince from Ife, a son of oduduwa himself
2. the current Awujale, who invented this wadai story(without details of course) was confused... here's where the confusion lays : Yoruba believe Ife Owodaye is the first civilization.. created by the irunmole themselves and was where mankind was made, where the sun first rose to shine it's light on. the history of Ijebu has it that before Obanta(a 13th/14th century man) communities existed in the Ijebu area and were led by a figure called Olu-iwa.. who was the maternal grandfather of Obanta

this myth of ife owodaye(which is represented by the modern Ile-Ife) has been retold all over Yorubaland as the origin of mankind..
it's "owodaye" that people mix up with "waddai" a Muslim caliphate founded less than 500 years ago

3. what will yoruba be doing with a Muslim caliphate as origin? btw waddai is over 300 years younger than the Ijebu nation founded by Obanta

4. Yoruba share common ancestry with Our southern Nigerian neighbors, Igala and Idoma included. . not faraway Nubians or anything from sudan

Rivertemz:
comparison to Yoruba Obas

and what similarities do you see?

Ngozi123:


This is a really interesting thread- good job! Do you know why they split when migrating into West Africa?

The nature of migrating from east to west across the continent can be theorised in several ways;

The need for expansion of a civilisation as the population grows to far to settle in one region.

War and conquest

Greener pastures near the Niger & Chad rivers.

Trade routes that connected the Songhai and Ancient Mali empires, these would've facilitate the population shift in the origins & admix to form the Yoruba dominion.

macof:
Lmao.



1. Obanta was a prince from Ife, a son of oduduwa himself
2. the current Awujale, who invented this wadai story(without details of course) was confused... here's where the confusion lays : Yoruba believe Ife Owodaye is the first civilization.. created by the irunmole themselves and was where mankind was made, where the sun first rose to shine it's light on. the history of Ijebu has it that before Obanta(a 13th/14th century man) communities existed in the Ijebu area and were led by a figure called Olu-iwa.. who was the maternal grandfather of Obanta

this myth of ife owodaye(which is represented by the modern Ile-Ife) has been retold all over Yorubaland as the origin of mankind..
it's "owodaye" that people mix up with "waddai" a Muslim caliphate founded less than 500 years ago

3. what will yoruba be doing with a Muslim caliphate as origin? btw waddai is over 300 years younger than the Ijebu nation founded by Obanta

4. Yoruba share common ancestry with Our southern Nigerian neighbors, Igala and Idoma included. . not faraway Nubians or anything from sudan

You are quite mistaken.

First of all your accounts are backed with only Oral history, which can be misinterpreted and debunked on its own. The Yoruba region was exposed to Islam before Christianity and We have a rooted connection with the hausas and Fulanis of the North. There are written accounts of the net migration of civilisations from North to south of Nigeria (not oral tradition) and beyond Nigeria.

The fact that you assume west Africans never migrated from East africa (the birthplace of all Africans and the rest of humanity).
You're further assuming Yorubas simply plocked out of the soil of the west coastal tribes when the truth is we all came from the northern parts of the Niger River, tracing back to Chad and central Africa.

I advice you to do more research and think logically about simple Anthropology.
Moral of the story- all west African lineages came from the east

Rivertemz:

The nature of migrating from east to west across the continent can be theorised in several ways;

The need for expansion of a civilisation as the population grows to far to settle in one region.

War and conquest

Greener pastures near the Niger & Chad rivers.

Trade routes that connected the Songhai and Ancient Mali empires, these would've facilitate the population shift in the origins & admix to form the Yoruba dominion.

Thanks.

macof:
Lmao.



1. Obanta was a prince from Ife, a son of oduduwa himself
2. the current Awujale, who invented this wadai story(without details of course) was confused... here's where the confusion lays : Yoruba believe Ife Owodaye is the first civilization.. created by the irunmole themselves and was where mankind was made, where the sun first rose to shine it's light on. the history of Ijebu has it that before Obanta(a 13th/14th century man) communities existed in the Ijebu area and were led by a figure called Olu-iwa.. who was the maternal grandfather of Obanta

this myth of ife owodaye(which is represented by the modern Ile-Ife) has been retold all over Yorubaland as the origin of mankind..
it's "owodaye" that people mix up with "waddai" a Muslim caliphate founded less than 500 years ago

3. what will yoruba be doing with a Muslim caliphate as origin? btw waddai is over 300 years younger than the Ijebu nation founded by Obanta

4. Yoruba share common ancestry with Our southern Nigerian neighbors, Igala and Idoma included. . not faraway Nubians or anything from sudan

Lol. You are confused!

What does Islam or Caliphate has to do with Waddai? Waddai is derived from Waddi,a term in usage long before Muhammed, the prophet of Islam was even born.

If I say my name is Ibrahim bin Maryam and an Ethiopian Christian would you say Im trying to copy Islam?

Ibrahim, Maryam were Christian names but the loss of original Christian manuscripts in Hebrew to the Latin and sebsequently Roman languages of English, Spanish and German changed Ibrahim to Abraham and Maryam to Mary.

Teach and share knowledge and put your religious bias aside, dont turn Yoruba history upside down in your passionate hatred for Islam.

Not all of us like Islam but we are loyalists to Yoruba history

MayorofLagos:


Lol. You are confused!

What does Islam or Caliphate has to do with Waddai? Waddai is derived from Waddi,a term in usage long before Muhammed, the prophet of Islam was even born.

If I say my name is Ibrahim bin Maryam and an Ethiopian Christian would you say Im trying to copy Islam?

Ibrahim, Maryam were Christian names but the loss of original Christian manuscripts in Hebrew to the Latin and sebsequently Roman languages of English, Spanish and German changed Ibrahim to Abraham and Maryam to Mary.

Teach and share knowledge and put your religious bias aside, dont turn Yoruba history upside down in your passionate hatred for Islam.

Not all of us like Islam but we are loyalists to Yoruba history

lmao even ur father or elders in ur village cannot agree with u that Yoruba are from waddai. ..assuming u have a yoruba father

waddai was a caliphate, go learn some basic african history boy


emm. .. u say I'm confused? how ironic coming from the person who doesn't know his origins
waddai ko wakkai lo ba je

Rivertemz:


You are quite mistaken.

First of all your accounts are backed with only Oral history, which can be misinterpreted and debunked on its own. The Yoruba region was exposed to Islam before Christianity and We have a rooted connection with the hausas and Fulanis of the North. There are written accounts of the net migration of civilisations from North to south of Nigeria (not oral tradition) and beyond Nigeria.

The fact that you assume west Africans never migrated from East africa (the birthplace of all Africans and the rest of humanity).
You're further assuming Yorubas simply plocked out of the soil of the west coastal tribes when the truth is we all came from the northern parts of the Niger River, tracing back to Chad and central Africa.

I advice you to do more research and think logically about simple Anthropology.
Moral of the story- all west African lineages came from the east

oh please stop this utter freakshow display.

oral history is enough for yoruba children to know their origin. .. I have traced by bloodline back several generations knowing the names and deeds of much of my patriarchs through that oral history you are trying to discredit

if you don't know where your family house is, pity! you obviously cannot appreciate oral accounts and traditions. .

and just because Yoruba have nothing to do with Nubia doesn't mean we came out of the soil. Am talking cultural anthology here not biological anthology so don't use that "East africa origin of humanity" line, it is invalid here ..
There are more similarities between southern Nigerian people and the people of the savanna regions of central Africa than east or north africa. Yoruba civilization is a pure home grown one because our ancestors came from no other civilization. ..they established civilization in west africa, before that we were great hunters and herbalists not empire builders

.. but ignorant wishful thinkers like you want to cling to more popular groups of people eg. Egypt, Nubians...some even go as far as Israel, Palestinians, mecca, Syria. .. I've seen all kinds of nonsense on nairaland

macof:



oh please stop this utter freakshow display.

oral history is enough for yoruba children to know their origin. .. I have traced by bloodline back several generations knowing the names and deeds of much of my patriarchs through that oral history you are trying to discredit

if you don't know where your family house is, pity! you obviously cannot appreciate oral accounts and traditions. .

and just because Yoruba have nothing to do with Nubia doesn't mean we came out of the soil. Am talking cultural anthology here not biological anthology so don't use that "East africa origin of humanity" line, it is invalid here ..
There are more similarities between southern Nigerian people and the people of the savanna regions of central Africa than east or north africa. Yoruba civilization is a pure home grown one because our ancestors came from no other civilization. ..they established civilization in west africa, before that we were great hunters and herbalists not empire builders

.. but ignorant wishful thinkers like you want to cling to more popular groups of people eg. Egypt, Nubians...some even go as far as Israel, Palestinians, mecca, Syria. .. I've seen all kinds of nonsense on nairaland

LOOOOOL!
So true breh.

macof:


lmao even ur father or elders in ur village cannot agree with u that Yoruba are from waddai. ..assuming u have a yoruba father

waddai was a caliphate, go learn some basic african history boy


emm. .. u say I'm confused? how ironic coming from the person who doesn't know his origins
waddai ko wakkai lo ba je

Idiots who lack substance for facts always hide their falsehood and shallow intelligence behind peppered insults to save face.

Where did you hear me say Yoruba is from Waddai? You see how confused you are?

I said Waddai has no root in Islam, period! When you hear Archbishop of Caterbury, does it mean no one lived in Canterbury before the beginning of Anglican? If anyone lived there before Anglican would you deny their ancestry because you dont want them associated with Anglicans?

Talk like you are educated, please!

macof:



oh please stop this utter freakshow display.

oral history is enough for yoruba children to know their origin. .. I have traced by bloodline back several generations knowing the names and deeds of much of my patriarchs through that oral history you are trying to discredit

if you don't know where your family house is, pity! you obviously cannot appreciate oral accounts and traditions. .

and just because Yoruba have nothing to do with Nubia doesn't mean we came out of the soil. Am talking cultural anthology here not biological anthology so don't use that "East africa origin of humanity" line, it is invalid here ..
There are more similarities between southern Nigerian people and the people of the savanna regions of central Africa than east or north africa. Yoruba civilization is a pure home grown one because our ancestors came from no other civilization. ..they established civilization in west africa, before that we were great hunters and herbalists not empire builders

.. but ignorant wishful thinkers like you want to cling to more popular groups of people eg. Egypt, Nubians...some even go as far as Israel, Palestinians, mecca, Syria. .. I've seen all kinds of nonsense on nairaland

I used to wholeheartedly buy the story of the Yorubas migrating to our present location from Sudan until I recently came across a news item about a discovery that at about the time of the evolution of homo sapiens in East Africa, a similar occurrence also took place in West Africa, independent of the one in East Africa!

I want to believe the satanic sent against the Yoruba has begun to manifest again like the way Afonja was used to dismantle Yoruba royal empire of oyo ile. However, many of the stated information about the possibility of migration could be true by few elements among the ijebus just like the Alimi migrated to Yorubaland of oyo before resettlement with Afonja who used him as his servant and you all know how the story ended. As far as am concerned Yoruba kingdom either in the southern part of Yorubaland ,Eastern part nor Northern part doesn't have link with IFE. Having said this, I want to stay focus on this issue because some leaders need to be read before they come forth with information that's not real. If in reality, ijebu migrated to the present Yoruba region from waddai then some questions must be asked and answers given to Yoruba people as a whole. I strongly desire those of us believing waddai story should help us know which is true? is the founder of ijebu of waddai older than sungbo kingdom in eredo?,did the founder met Yoruba people on ground? why is the Yoruba dialect spoken and not waddai 's?, waddai kingdom is less than 500 years, what's the family name borne by these waddaites when they came to Yoruba land?, Was there any record of these people engaging the Yoruba people in war before settling down with the former?, Did they pass through IFE before going to the present day Ijebu ode? And on the issue of migration,it is true that Africa is the birth place of mankind although not necessary the birth place of Yoruba people who were formerly called “usere magbo" which was Yoruba name of ancient times. Irrespective of whatever anyone says, we Yoruba know that some very few elements which are insignificant in numbers got married to Yoruba people(women/men),settled down in our midst and became part of us which was the reason the Yoruba elders says “Omo ki ni Ile Baba ki o ma ni ti Iya”. Furthermore your oriki will tell you who you are and linking you through your family panegyric to IFE where your ancestral oriki came out. Then you can start thinking if you are from waddai or not. Lastly people having borrowed culture doesn't mean they are from the same place. Can you say because Fulani colonised Hausa, then they are the same tribe?, kindly leave Nigerian politics alone,because they are different from one and another.

What thrash!

My late maternal grandfather who was a kanuri clarified that. He was kolanut dealer there for 15 years before he resettled home

Yoruba is a church made up of ancient Israelites and aboriginals. The settlers or ancient Israelites came and forged an empire of the different aboriginal tribes and their dynasties continue till tomorrow. This is why every king in Yorubaland who tells the story of his people always says they came from Ile Ife, the adopted spiritual capital of the empire builders who originally came from the East or lebanon.

macof:



oh please stop this utter freakshow display.

oral history is enough for yoruba children to know their origin. .. I have traced by bloodline back several generations knowing the names and deeds of much of my patriarchs through that oral history you are trying to discredit

if you don't know where your family house is, pity! you obviously cannot appreciate oral accounts and traditions. .

and just because Yoruba have nothing to do with Nubia doesn't mean we came out of the soil. Am talking cultural anthology here not biological anthology so don't use that "East africa origin of humanity" line, it is invalid here ..
There are more similarities between southern Nigerian people and the people of the savanna regions of central Africa than east or north africa. Yoruba civilization is a pure home grown one because our ancestors came from no other civilization. ..they established civilization in west africa, before that we were great hunters and herbalists not empire builders

.. but ignorant wishful thinkers like you want to cling to more popular groups of people eg. Egypt, Nubians...some even go as far as Israel, Palestinians, mecca, Syria. .. I've seen all kinds of nonsense on nairaland

You're incorrect on sooo many levels, I see from your profile that you are a traditionalist, if you value a so called "oral" history account and naturalist beliefs on Yoruba origins OVER academic research ?? You are VERY wrong. And very very backwards, this is not the values we as Africans should hold on to.
Anthropologist Studies and actual FACTS should ALWAYS be more significant than your pseudo religious beliefs.

The only way you support your theories are from elders from a small village ?? We are talking historical accounts that pre date Yoruba establishment and pre dates the Oyo Empire,. This is a 1000-2000 years of accounted history and population shifts across the continent, whilst your points are to do with 300-700 years of Yoruba History (or narratives)

Ghost01:
I used to wholeheartedly buy the story of the Yorubas migrating to our present location from Sudan until I recently came across a news item about a discovery that at about the time of the evolution of homo sapiens in East Africa, a similar occurrence also took place in West Africa, independent of the one in East Africa!

You do realise how unscientific you are linking this ?? Every person existing today is part of of the homo sapien species, if you're assuming we West African are another species, a lower primate, then you must be mad to consider yourself a degenerate of the human family. You're playing into the belief that Africans are inferior

Olu317:
I want to believe the satanic sent against the Yoruba has begun to manifest again like the way Afonja was used to dismantle Yoruba royal empire of oyo ile. However, many of the stated information about the possibility of migration could be true by few elements among the ijebus just like the Alimi migrated to Yorubaland of oyo before resettlement with Afonja who used him as his servant and you all know how the story ended. As far as am concerned Yoruba kingdom either in the southern part of Yorubaland ,Eastern part nor Northern part doesn't have link with IFE. Having said this, I want to stay focus on this issue because some leaders need to be read before they come forth with information that's not real. If in reality, ijebu migrated to the present Yoruba region from waddai then some questions must be asked and answers given to Yoruba people as a whole. I strongly desire those of us believing waddai story should help us know which is true? is the founder of ijebu of waddai older than sungbo kingdom in eredo?,did the founder met Yoruba people on ground? why is the Yoruba dialect spoken and not waddai 's?, waddai kingdom is less than 500 years, what's the family name borne by these waddaites when they came to Yoruba land?, Was there any record of these people engaging the Yoruba people in war before settling down with the former?, Did they pass through IFE before going to the present day Ijebu ode? And on the issue of migration,it is true that Africa is the birth place of mankind although not necessary the birth place of Yoruba people who were formerly called “usere magbo" which was Yoruba name of ancient times. Irrespective of whatever anyone says, we Yoruba know that some very few elements which are insignificant in numbers got married to Yoruba people(women/men),settled down in our midst and became part of us which was the reason the Yoruba elders says “Omo ki ni Ile Baba ki o ma ni ti Iya”. Furthermore your oriki will tell you who you are and linking you through your family panegyric to IFE where your ancestral oriki came out. Then you can start thinking if you are from waddai or not. Lastly people having borrowed culture doesn't mean they are from the same place. Can you say because Fulani colonised Hausa, then they are the same tribe?, kindly leave Nigerian politics alone,because they are different from one and another.

Your points and questions are very convenient in this thread discussion.

And this is why I have specifically stated the ijebu province of the Yoruba kingdom. Ijebu and several of Yoruba townships where met with intermixing of other African ethnic groups, overtime that is how nations form. Yorubaland is a product of Yoruba origins + other groups migrating in the perimeters of Yorubaland, e.g. The Fulani conquest in Illorin; the exchange of Southern cultural tribes between Benin and Niger delta.

An infusion of cultures around the outskirts of the Yoruba dominions has always been inevitable, therefore leading to several origins of the establish yorubaland. My thread focuses on the infusion of Yoruba and waddai influences.

Then overall when we think of Yorubaland's beginnings, we have to let go of the belief that Yoruba people exclusively plucked out of the soil without the mix of several kingdoms that preceded Yoruba history. The Mali empire for example had an influence on the Oyo and IFE and the Bronze Age of Yorubaland, eventhough their kingdoms existed at different times. We should always, ALWAYS, inform ourselves with the links and influences.
Trade routes were interchangeable with river and lake regions. The Niger River links all our tribes to a common ancestor, which always leads to the north, east and central parts Africa

Rivertemz:

You do realise how unscientific you are linking this ?? Every person existing today is part of of the homo sapien species, if you're assuming we West African are another species, a lower primate, then you must be mad to consider yourself a degenerate of the human family. You're playing into the belief that Africans are inferior

How am I playing into the belief that Africans are inferior by citing an evidence. Aren't you the dumb one here? West Africa, East Africa... Is one more African than the other? The singular narrative of everyone coming out of East Africa leaves a lot of questions unanswered. But then, let's not derail this thread.

Rivertemz:

You're incorrect on sooo many levels, I see from your profile that you are a traditionalist, if you value a so called "oral" history account and naturalist beliefs on Yoruba origins OVER academic research ?? You are VERY wrong. And very very backwards, this is not the values we as Africans should hold on to.
Anthropologist Studies and actual FACTS should ALWAYS be more significant than your pseudo religious beliefs.

The only way you support your theories are from elders from a small village ?? We are talking historical accounts that pre date Yoruba establishment and pre dates the Oyo Empire,. This is a 1000-2000 years of accounted history and population shifts across the continent, whilst your points are to do with 300-700 years of Yoruba History (or narratives)

and what do you think you know exactly to say I'm wrong? What was wrong about my post? that Yoruba children can trace their lineage back several generations with only Oral accounts? or that Obanta is an Ife Prince, or that Waddai was founded 500 years ago, 300 years later than Ijebu? abeg what was wrong? please specify and stop throwing words around


you keep mentioning academic research and anthropology. . you aren't even intelligent enough to tell the difference between biological anthropology and cultural anthropology....you keep mixing them up. so much for someone who acts like he knows shiit about anthropology


NO ACADEMICALLY ACCEPTABLE WORK TOLD YOU YORUBA CULTURE IS FROM EAST OR NORTH AFRICA ....stop lying with the name of academic research

Also if we must play your game; There's academic research into Homo sapiens developing independently in west africa and south Asia. .. most anthropologists looking into the case of the natives of the Andaman islands and others like them will give you shocking details on that.. The Iwo Eleru fossils found in Ondo state stands as evidence supporting independent development in west africa.

But biological anthropology is irrelevant to this thread. .talks about homo sapiens and homo erectus is just unnecessary rubbish for the course of this thread... You opened a thread attempting to decipher yoruba origins not human origins. .stick to that and stop derailing your own thread


No serious researcher will talk about yoruba history or culture without collecting information from traditionalists. ..you must be very stuupid to think traditional oral accounts are insignificant... snap out of that stupidity

Please you need not argue with him if he doesn't believe that Yoruba didn't come from East Africa but pass through there when war ravaged Medes Assyria around 7BC. And Of all the culture in the black Africa and this that claim HEBREW in the world and we, YORUBA never claim it but Yoruba was once called USERE MAGBO in ancient times , DO YOU KNOW That THe YORUBA TRADITION is the only one that LOOK EXACTLY like the ANCIENT ISREAL? . If you want to know, go and read ORIGIN of YORUBA and “the lost tribes of Israel "by Dierk Lange . The is not written by an African but a German who wouldn't be biased but see and say it with all he had seen. A man who has been studying the Yoruba Race for years. Perhaps your eyes will see the truth about Yoruba people and the movement through the wilderness to present day ILE IFE.

I'm not even going to debate any of you, I completely forgot this culture forum was filled with pseudo cultural believers, that rely on oral parables and the scripture to define our ethnic history. People that bealieve Yorubas were Israelites or came from different species to homo sapien because the village elder taught you all that the "Yoruba demi God" created us in west Africa HAHAHA the humour in all this

The Ijebu are the biblical Jebusites who built and inhabited Jebusalem. This was the capital of the Kingdom of Judah aka Ile Ife Owodaiye or Whidah (not same as Waddai).

They are the original Jew. The Son of Man was promised to come from this tribe i.e. the ancient jebusite order of Melchizedek.

The name Jesus is a corruption of the name Jebus

Ìjẹ̀bú Nubians ���
Waddai weren't even Nubians. Stupid op
Ìjẹ̀bú is pure Yorùbá