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An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 9:42pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
Hello My People. I would like to bring my Muslim brethrens attention to this thread and seek them to offer explanations on the below facts and truths. [b] 1. Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? IF YES PLEASE SHOW US WHERE AND OFFER AN EXPLANATION IF NO. 2. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur'an? IF YES SHOW US WHERE AND IF NO OFFER US AN EXPLANATION 3. Does the Qur'an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? 4. If we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad would we find Allah? IF YES PLEASE SHOW US WHERE 5. According to Muslim tradition What Family was Muhammad born into Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe, Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe, Was he born into a Pagan and tribe? ANSWER NEEDED PLEASE 6. What was the name of his father and what is the meaning of his fathers name? 7. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 8. Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 9. Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 10. Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 11. What were some of the names/titles given to the moon-god by these Arab tribes? a) Sin, b) Hubul, c) Ilumquh, d)Al-ilah. 12. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 13. Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" IF NO SHOW US PROOF 14. Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 15. Was he worshipped at the Kabah? IF NO SHOW US PROOF . 16. Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 17. Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 18. At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 19. Was the Kabah considered and approved as the "house of the Moon-god"? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 20. Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 21. Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? YES OR NO 22. Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? IF NO EXPLAIN 23. Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 24. Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78. 25. Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80. 26. Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? IF NO SHOW US PROOF 27. Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN THE STATEMENT In Surah 53:19-20. 28. Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur'an? YES OR NO and What were they called? "The Satanic Verses? YES OR NO 29. Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? YES OR NO 30. Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? YES OR NO 31. Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? YES OR NO 32. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? YES OR NO 33. Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? YES OR NO 34. As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? YES OR NO 35. Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? YES OR NO 36. Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" is their God too? YES OR NO WITH ALL THE ABOVE ANSWERS YOU HAVE HONESTLY GIVEN AND EXPLAINED WHOSE GOD THEN IS ALLAH?[/b] cc anas09 (observer) , farmerforlife, friendchoice, APCsupporter and all other muslims 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by hahn(m): 10:00pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
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Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Anas09: 10:05pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
4everGod:As an observer, let me forewarn you not to get your hopes up as no muslim will step foot inside this threat. If they try it, Islam will be thrown open like a pandora box. Bunch of liars. They all know the truth but can't speak it. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 10:07pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
4everGod: I will attend to your questions. On one condition, if you sees the truth, you will accept it. When You agree on that conditions, then we shall. Am little busy now later. 2 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by jopretty(f): 10:07pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
Na wa ooo... This is confirm NABTEB questions. Oya over to 'those it may concern' we are waiting...lol 1 Like |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 10:13pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
FriendChoice: You have my word.... You must not twist or manipulate any word or text. Declare your truth. |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by APCsupporter: 10:18pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
4everGod: You are asking us these questions at this time of the night? All for what? But anyway, I will get back to you tomorrow in the morning. Just keep in mind that I am not a scholar 2 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 10:26pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
APCsupporter: You have all the time you need to make your research. |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Anas09: 10:27pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
APCsupporter:Hahahahahahahahahaha. Is that an escape tactics? You didn't seem so in the Thread FriendChoice opened. You sounded like the Zakir Naik of Nl. (And i don't mean this as a compliment because it's not). You shd feel insulted to be compared to Zakir Naik. That one there is a child in reasoning, yet very proud and arrogant in his empty and baseless rants. Really, you shd feel insulted 2 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Anas09: 10:39pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
FriendChoice:Dont worry, they will be a scale to measure what you term as truth, because in Islam, truth is defined differently from what the dictionary defines truth to mean. To a Muslim what the koran calls truth is truth, regarless of it absurdities. It is true that Pedophilia is right and acceptable to every muslim, because muhammed did it. It is true that stealing from infidels is right because the koran says so and muhammed did. It is true that muhammed was the best man who ever walked the earth. Yes, muhammed said it himself in the koran. It is true that raping of Infidels is right to all muslims, because muhammed did it abd because the koran says so. Its true that Peace is when Muslims kills infidels but the infidels must not retaliate. Truth is when everyone agrees that muhammed is a prophet, even when the same koran says, a false prophet will be killed in a certain manner, and muhammed died in the exact manner. Guy, your truth is hardly the truth as the world knows truth. 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by APCsupporter: 10:45pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
Anas09: Wait till tomorrow before you pass your judgement na. Won't you be observing? Unlike you who chickens out of arguments or beats around the bush, I will stand up like the man I am to provide answers and explanations and if I don't know anything, I will admit it instead of lying like you do 6 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Anas09: 10:54pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
APCsupporter:Lolzz. Aight, i'll let you go straight to the point. *Observing mood activitated* |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 12:53am On Oct 09, 2016 |
4everGod: The word Allah means God. Its used by all people who speak Arabic as a generic of God. There are many who claims to be Allah (God). Then Allah clear the doubt by defining who He is: Apart from the name Allah, he has many other names, which I cannot go into them due to the bulkiness of your questions. Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One. Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born. Nor is there to Him any equivalent." Qur'an 112 4. If we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad would we find Allah? IF YES PLEASE SHOW US WHERE Allah means God, so what are you asking. Let me rewrite the question for you. If we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "God" was before Muhammad would we find God? You will find God since before Adam not even Arabs. And you will also find false gods and idols. 5. According to Muslim tradition What Family was Muhammad born into Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe, Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe, Was he born into a Pagan and tribe? ANSWER NEEDED PLEASE Muhammad peace be upon him was born into the Quraish tribe. Pegan is an act of worship not tribe. But some of his uncle do worship idols. 6. What was the name of his father and what is the meaning of his fathers name? His fathers name is Abdullahi "meaning servant of God" They arabs sed to follow the Islamic religion via the teaching of Ibraaheem until the innovations were introduced by ‘Amr ibn Luhayy al-Khuzaa’i and his innovations became widespread among the people, such as the propagation of idols and praying to them instead of to Allaah. At that interval between Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Muhammad pbum, the teaching of Ibrahim cannot longer be found. Hence the prophet parent did not survive to witness his prophethood. They fall in the Ahlul fitra. 7. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? IF NO SHOW US PROOF Absolutely no. He might have attended it or watched it from a far. 8. Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? IF NO SHOW US PROOF Yeah they worship multiple idols 9. Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF Actually they did not worship tmoon. They worshiped idols to get closer to the Supreme GOD Almighty.. In other words, they associated partners with GOD Almighty, which is an unforgivable sin in Islam: " God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48) " I don't think the pagan Arabs had a"moon god" rather There were many other names to their gods. However, "Al-ilah" means "the god" or "the GOD". It's not a name, and was never a name for a pagan god 13. Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" IF NO SHOW US PR Absolutely not! "Allah" is an independent word that "al-ilah" and "aliha" were derived from. Again, the Jews' highest preist's name during Prophet Muhammad's time was "Abdallah bin Sabaa". Abd = Servant of, and Allah = Supreme GOD. You have yet to prove that "Allah" was a pagan god. Why don't you explain to us why the Jews' highest preist's name was "Abdallah bin Sabaa" during Prophet Muhammad's time? Again, please visit: The original name for GOD Almighty in Aramaic and Hebrew was indeed "Allah". See proofs from Hebrew and Aramaic resources. Aramaic was the language that Jesus peace be upon him spoke during his ministry. Also, according to the Bible, "Yahweh" was not GOD Almighty's original name. It was "Allah". See proofs from the Hebrew. 15. Was he worshipped at the Kabah? IF NO SHOW US PROOF As I mentioned above, the pagan Arabs created gods from wood and stones to get closer to GOD Almighty. They associated partners with GOD Almighty, which is an unforgivable sin in Islam: " God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48) " . 16. Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? IF NO SHOW US PROOF Again, you have yet to prove that "Allah" was a pagan god. 17. Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? IF NO SHOW US PROOF The pagan Arabs glorified their idols. Islam came and cleansed the Kaaba and Arabia from those idols. This was even Prophecied in the Bible: The story of the 10,000 Muslims who liberated Mecca (Paran) in the Bible. The emigration of the Muslims to Madina was foretold in the Bible. Pilgrimage of Ezekiel to Mecca. 18. At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF I don't think the pagan Arabs had a "moon god". rather idols The Kaaba was defiled with idols and pagan gods. Islam came and cleansed them away. 20. Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? IF NO SHOW US PROOF Again, you have yet to prove that "Allah" was a pagan god. 21. Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? YES OR NO The Kaaba was called the "The House ofbAllah Almighty" after Islam cleaned it from the pagan idols 22. Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? IF NO EXPLAIN perhaps Yes. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 1:06am On Oct 09, 2016 |
23. Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? IF NO SHOW US PROOF The pagans never fasted, nor ever prayed on Fridays, nor ever kissed the black stone as part of their ritual, nor ever ran up and down two hills, nor ever threw stones at the devil. Jesus fasted, Jesus prayed to his GOD Almighty, and Jesus paid charity. According to your logic, Jesus too was a pagan. The running between two hills, is because Hagar ran seven times between the two hills: Al-Safa and Al-Marwa, when she was so desperately trying to get water for her child, Ishmael. As to the pilgrimage to Kaaba, tell me, Wasn't Allah Almighty Truthful in the Noble Quran when He promised Abraham peace be upon him that He was going to cause for people to come from all over the world to the city of Mecca? Mecca at that time was a dead desert. When Abraham asked GOD Almighty about how this place would become blessed, Allah Almighty promised him that He will cause for people to come from all over the world to it: "Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built] , (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27) " As we clearly see in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty promised Abraham peace be upon him that He will cause for people from all around the world to come and proclaim the pilgrimage to the House (Kaaba ) that he built. The story began, when Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael to the city of Paran (Mecca) , based on Allah Almighty's commands. There was literally no life there; not even water. Allah Almighty then ordered Abraham to build the House of GOD (Kaaba) and leave Hagar and his son Ishmael there. When later Hagar and Ishmael became very thirsty after they ran out of the water they brought with them in the journey, Hagar prayed to Allah Almighty to provide water for them. Hagar then started to desperately run to search for water seven times (I believe) back and forth between the Safa and Marwa hills. Allah Almighty then caused Ishmael to rub his feet against the sand and a pool of water, the water of Zumzum came out. This Prophecy of Allah Almighty sending people from all over the world to Mecca is fulfilled every single year in Saudi Arabia through the Muslims' yearly pilgrimage, where one to three million Muslims come to perform the Hajj (pilgrimage). "When the Pilgrimage was proclaimed, people came to it from every quarter, near and far, on foot and mounted. The lean camel' coming after the fatiguing journey through distant mountain roads typifies the difficulties of travel." 24. Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78. [b] "And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of God. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajjnand seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear God, and know that God Is strict in punishment. (ThebNoble Quran, 2:196) " "When this was revealed, the city of Makkah was in the hands of the enemies of Islam, and the regulations about the fighting and the pilgrimage came together and were interconnected. But the revelation provides, as always, for the particular occasion, and also for normal conditions. Makkah soon passed out of the hands of the enemies of Islam. People sometimes came long distances to Makkah before the Pilgrimage season began. Having performed the 'Umrah, they stayed on the formal Hajj. In case the pilgrim had spent his money, he is shown what he can do, rich or poor, and yet hold his head high among his fellows, as having performed all rites as prescribed." (The Meaning of the Holy Quran, by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Foot Note# 214, page 79). Again, you have yet to prove that Islam participated in pagan rites or had anything to do with paganism [/b] 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 2:18am On Oct 09, 2016 |
25. Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80. Here are what Noble Verse 2:200 and foot note 223 say: [b] "So when ye have accomplished your holy rites, celebrate the praises of God, as ye used to celebrate the praises of your fathers,- yea, with far more Heart and soul. There are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us (Thy bounties) in this world!" but they will have no portion in the Hereafter. (The Noble Quran, 2:200) "After the Pilgrimage, in pagan times, the pilgrims used to gather in assemblies in which the praises of ancestors were sung. As the whole of the pilgrimage rites were spiritualized in Islam, so this aftermath of the Pilgrimage was also spiritualized. It was required from pilgrims to stay on two or three days after the Day of Sacrifice, but they must use them in prayer and praise to Allah. See 2:203 below (R) ." (The Meaning of the Holy Quran, by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Foot Note# 223, page 82). Here is what Noble Verse 2:203 says: "Celebrate the praises of God during the Appointed Days. But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that ye will surely be gathered unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 2:203) "The Appointed Days: the three days after the tenth, when the Pilgrims stay on in the Valley of Mina for prayer and praise. They are the days of Tashriq (see 2:200, n. 223). It is optional for pilgrims to leave on the second or third day." (The Meaning of the Holy Quran, by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Foot Note# 226, page 82). Again, as to the pilgrimage to Kaaba, tell me, Wasn't Allah Almighty Truthful in the Noble Quran when He promised Abraham peace be upon him that He was going to cause for people to come from all over the world to the city of Mecca? Mecca at that time was a dead desert. When Abraham asked GOD Almighty about how this place would become blessed, Allah Almighty promised him that He will cause for people to come from all over the world to it "Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built] (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27) " As we clearly see in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty promised Abraham peace be upon him that He will cause for people from all around the world to come and proclaim the pilgrimage to the House (Kaaba ) that he built. The story began, when Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael to the city of Paran (Mecca) , based on Allah Almighty's commands. There was literally no life there; not even water. Allah Almighty then ordered Abraham to build the House of GOD (Kaaba) and leave Hagar and his son Ishmael there. When later Hagar and Ishmael became very thirsty after they ran out of the water they brought with them in the journey, Hagar prayed to Allah Almighty to provide water for them. Hagar then started to desperately run to search for water seven times (I believe) back and forth between the Safa and Marwa hills. Allah Almighty then caused Ishmael to rub his feet against the sand and a pool of water, the water of Zumzum came out. This Prophecy of Allah Almighty sending people from all over the world to Mecca is fulfilled every single year in Saudi Arabia through the Muslims' yearly pilgrimage, where one to three million Muslims come to perform the Hajj (pilgrimage). "When the Pilgrimage was proclaimed, people came to it from every quarter, near and far, on foot and mounted. The 'lean camel' coming after the fatiguing journey through distant mountain roads typifies the difficulties of travel [/b] 26. Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? IF NO SHOW US PROOF You're obviously a joker who doesn't even know the fundamentals of Islam: Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One. Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born. Nor is there to Him any equivalent." Qur'an 112 "Say: "Praise be to God, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!" (The Noble Quran 17:111) "" It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (The Noble Quran, 19:35) " "For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. (The Noble Quran, 19:92)" " No son did God beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to God! (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! (The Noble Quran, 23:91) 27. Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? IF NO THEN EXPLAIN THE STATEMENT In Surah 53:19-20. Here is what Noble Verses 53:19-20 say: "For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? [size=18] Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! [/size](The Noble Quran, 53:18-22) " Nothing is more offending than to have an anti-Islam Christian assume that his Western reader is soooo stupid and shallow-minded that he can he deceive him with such a ridiculous and easily- refuted lie. It is you two clowns who are the most stupid; the writer and the op. Here is what Allah Almighty said about associating partners with Him: " God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48) 28. Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur'an? YES OR NO and What were they called? "The Satanic Verses? YES OR NO No clown, they have not been abrogated. If Noble Verses 53:19-20 are considered "satanic verses", then why are they stillbexisting in the Noble Quran? 29. Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? YES OR NO Yes, so? Visit: Is Allah really a "moon god"? It's funny how some anti-Islamics claim this, while the Noble Quran directly refutes this: Among His Sings are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. [size=14] Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. [/size] (The Noble Quran, 41:37) 30. Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? YES OR NO Maybe. I don't care about the pagan gods. 31. Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? YES OR NO I have just proven above that you are very stupid for saying Allah Almighty has daughters. As to stars being used as symbols for pagan gods, this has nothing to do with Islam. 32. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? YES OR NO No. The Christians however did worse. They took Jesus as their Creator. He became their pagan god through their polytheist trinity paganism dogma 33. Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? YES OR NO No Among His Sings are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. [size=14] Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. [/size] (The Noble Quran, 41:37) 34. As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? YES OR NO No it did not. How about providing a proof. 35. Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? YES OR NO You have yet to prove that Islam is a pagan religion. The only paganism here is your polytheist trinity paganism that took Jesus, a man created from dust, as a Creator of the Universe. As to Islam being the Religion of Abraham, here is what the Noble Quran says: " Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend. (The Noble Quran, 4:125) " "They say: 'Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).' Say thou: 'Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with God.' (The Noble Quran, 2:135) " " Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to God's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with God. (The Noble Quran, 3:67) 36. Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" is their God too? YES OR NO Yes they did. That is why the Jews' highest priest's name during Prophet Muhammad's time was "Abdallah bin Saba. Similarly The original name for GOD Almighty in Aramaic and Hebrew was indeed "Allah". See proofs frombHebrew and Aramaic resources. Aramaic was the language that Jesus peace bebupon him spoke during his ministry. Also, according to the Bible, "Yahweh" was not GOD Almighty's original name. It was "Allah". See proofs from the Hebrew resources. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:07am On Oct 09, 2016 |
And this is where you copied the question. http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm And the writers Andrews and Robert Moreys ask the questions and at the same time provided some false answers to the questions. So i know all your argument will be based on someone lies without proof. 90 percent of what you ask are stories. No verse no hadith, only what the pastor fabricate. I thought you want to ask a question of your own that u think of Islam Not fabricated lies. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Deicide: 6:02am On Oct 09, 2016 |
Anas09:I never See anybody way hate Muslim And Atheist Like U Do nawa o |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Deicide: 6:05am On Oct 09, 2016 |
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Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 7:54am On Oct 09, 2016 |
FriendChoice: Thanks for taking your tìme to respond. I wìll update this thread after church and trust that you would accept my truth as I have accepted yours above |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Anas09: 12:20pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
Deicide:Listen, there's no iota of hate in me. If i hate, i will be working agaisnt myself. On the other hand, you should see my heart beat for God, this is how you know why i detest satan worshippers. If these people mind their bizness and let us be, sincerely they wont exist to me, but they grap at us with every intensity of fieceness. Weytin we dey even drag i don't know. |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Demmzy15(m): 1:22pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
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Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 2:02pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
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Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 2:12pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Wasalam. Naso they think. Perhaps he did not even understand the questions before posting it. 5 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 2:14pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
4everGod: We shall see your truth. |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by oteneaaron(m): 3:17pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
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Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:28pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
I will take the points one by one for easier understanding and assimilation by any reader. 1. Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? NO 2. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur'an? NO 3. Does the Qur'an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? YES 4. If we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad would we find Allah? YES The write up below deals with questions 1 to 4. [b]The Arabic name for “God” is the word “Al-ilah.” It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god. Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god. “Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Mohammed. It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Historians have shown that the moon god called “Hubal” was the god to whom Arabs prayed at the Kaa’ba and they used the name “Allah” when they prayed. Today a Muslim is one who submits to the God Allah. Islam means submission to (Allah), but originally it meant that strength which characterized a desert warrior who, even when faced with impossible odds, would fight to the death for his tribe. Many believe the word “Allah” was derived from the mid- eastern word “el” which in Ugaritic, Caananite and Hebrew can mean a true or false God. This is not the case, “The source of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning “God” (or a “god”), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity. According to the Encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Mohammed worshipped him as the supreme God. Before Islam the Arabs recognized many gods and goddesses, each tribe had their own deity. There were also nature deities. Allah was the god of the local Quarish tribe, which was Mohammed's tribe before he invented Islam to lead his people out of their polytheism. Allah was then known as the Moon God, who had 3 daughters who were viewed as intercessors for the people into Allah. Their names were Al-at, Al-uzza, and Al-Manat, which were three goddesses; the first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was a statue likeness of a man whose body was made of red precious stones whose arms were made of gold. “Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this. History has shown Mecca and the holy stone al-Kaaba were holy sites for pre-Islamic pagan Arabs. The Kaaba in Mecca was formerly named Beit-Allah meaning House of Allah. We are told it was first built in heaven. This is in contradistinction to what Moses was instructed to build, something overlooked by the Muslims in their reading of the Bible. The Koran tells us that Mohammed drove the other idols away; he made one God now the only god and he was its messenger. He kept the Kaaba as a holy, sacred place and confirmed that the black stone had the power to take away man's sins. He obligated every believer to make a pilgrimage to the stone at least once in his lifetime. (Sura 22:26-37) And [mention, O Muhammad], when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, [saying], "Do not associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who stand [in prayer] and those who bow and prostrate. No Old Testament saint ever had a pilgrimage to the Kaaba and kissed its black stone despite stories that Abraham and Ishmael restored it. Mohammed used the name Allah which was formerly the name of a specific idol without ever distinguishing it from the idol the Meccan’s were already worshipping. This was a modification of their former worship but never a complete break. He never did say for the people to stop their worship of the wrong Allah, for the right one. It can still be monotheism and not be the God of the Bible Al-Lat which is a T at the end of the name of Allah, was represented by a square stone whose major sanctuary was in the city of Taif. In the sanctuary was a black stone in the town of Qudayd between Mecca and Medina. She was the goddess of fate, a female counterpart of Allah. Al-uzza was the goddess of east Mecca. It has been said there were human sacrifices made to her and Islamic tradition tells of a story of Mohammed’s grandfather almost sacrificing his son the father of Mohammed to her. What prevented this was his seeking counsel from a fortune teller which told him to ransom his son with one hundred camels. Muslims look to this as the will of Allah to bring Mohammed into existence. “The name Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa.”[/b] 3 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:39pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
[s] 4everGod:[/s] No much need to argue with you, since all what the original writer says are stories.. Am done with you, some brothers might give you response but not me. I don't engage in this type of lies. Mention me when you attack the Islam with proves from Quran and Hadith, just the way I and APCsupporter have done to Bible times without number. Bye I cannot waste my time. Look the time I answered those Questions. 3 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:40pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
5. According to Muslim tradition What Family was Muhammad born into Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe, Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe, Was he born into a Pagan family and tribe? 6. What was the name of his father and what is the meaning of his fathers name? The below addresses questions 5 and 6 [b]Muhammad was born into a Pagan family of the local Quarish tribe. The literal name of Mohammed's father in Arabic is Abd Allah. His uncle's name Obred Allah. These names show the devotion of Mohammed's families pagan roots, and also prove that Allah was part of a polytheistic system of worship before Allah was made the supreme and only god from the other God's. This should be proof to the pre- Islamic root of the name of Allah to the Muslim. Remember they were pagans who used this name. He kept his family name above all the other names. Mohammad had good intentions in removing the people from their polytheistic worship however he did not go far enough in his reform. Mecca was the place where the idol Allah was located, so the people would face in that direction when they prayed. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca. Prior to Islam's beginning each Arab tribe used Allah to refer to its own particular high god. This is why Hubal, the Moon god, (known by other names) was the central focus of prayer at the Kaabah and people prayed to Hubal and they used the name Allah. The crescent moon was the symbol of the moon God Allah (Hubal) and is still used as a symbol of Islam today (although they have changed the meaning to be -from Mecca to the moon Islam will spread). Today there is hardly a Muslim that knows its ancient origin. History records it as an ancient pagan fertility symbol that is found throughout the Middle East. Mohammed smashed all the idols that led the people into idolatry but the black stone was kept which Muslims continue to kiss today. This was another practice that preceded Mohammad. [/b] |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:42pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
FriendChoice: Please allow me to finish before you attack me. I was patient enough to allow you finish was i not? I accepted your truth so you must accept my truth. If you want proof from the Quran and Hadith then why not be patient until i finish? Must everything about Islam be anger and rage? cc anas09 3 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:47pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
4everGod: I read it. I did not see the prove of your claims. You're only showing me stories Wikipedia and so on. Am watching all what you're writing. I would argue on anything you provide proof not stories or turning verses, explaning them up and down. 2 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by oteneaaron(m): 3:51pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
4everGod: Are you a Muslim ![]() Do not claim to understand Islam more than muslims themselves.....after all your piece is just a copy and Paste regimen. Wait until they ask question related to Christianity........ I'm Sorry, but people like you make other christians look Sadistic...... what do you plan to achieve with this thread? 4 Likes |
Re: An Honest Survey For Muslims. Take Your Time To Think And Then Respond. by Nobody: 3:55pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
[b]7. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? I will focus on just one ritual as there are many to mention and that is a very popular one known as the Ramadan or ramazan. This is the month throughout which Muslims "fast" during daylight hours. The term "fast" is in quotation marks because many Muslims spend more money on food during the month during which they "fast" than any other month of the year, because they feast on more sumptuous fare in greater quantities than normal, before sunrise and after sunset. Abdulrahman Bakri, an Islamic scholar said: “During Ramadan, there is always a major increase in food wastage not only in the Kingdom but also other countries across the Gulf. At iftar parties or banquets during Ramadan, the leftover food usually goes waste and wealthy hosts have no qualms about throwing them away." Matthew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. Rarely will we find such a large group of people so committed to engaging in an activity, about which they know so little. The same can be said about their knowledge of the origins of other Islamic rituals, like the Hajj and Umrah, even though much can be learned through Islam's own books. For example Muhammad's followers and the Arabian pagans performed the Hajj shoulder to shoulder right up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when Muhammad kicked the pagans out of the ritual that they had developed and practiced in Mecca before Muhammad was even born: Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689: Narrated Abu Huraira: In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.' Some of Muhammad's closest followers didn't like to perform the Saee of al-Safa and al-Marwah, for example, because they knew it had been a ritual of Arabian jinn-devil worship: Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710 Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.'" The vast majority of Muhammad's followers have not bothered to investigate where the tradition of Ramadan came from other than to believe that, like everything else in Islam, Muhammad engaged in it and/or instructed his followers to. The excerpts that follow are from the 20-year full-time study of Dr. Rafat Amari, and his resulting book "Islam: In Light of History", as also reported in his website paper "Ramadan and its Roots" at the Religion Research Institute: "Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in India and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared "The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians." (the paper goes on to detail the Mandaeans) "The other group, considered as Sabians, were the Harranians. They worshipped Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deities. The Sabians were in contact with Ahnaf, an Arabian group which Mohammed joined before claiming to be a prophet." "In Mecca, the Ahnaf were called Sabians because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Mohammed claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabian rites which included praying five times a day; performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Mandaeans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing, before each prayer. In the Qur'an, Mohammed called the Sabians “people of the book” like the Jews and Christians. Ramadan was a pagan ceremony practiced by the Sabians, whether they were Harranians or Sabians. From the writings of Abu Zanad, an Arabic writer from Iraq who lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Mandaean community located in northern Iraq observed Ramadan Ramadan was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Harran. Similarities Between the Ramadan of Harran and the Islamic Ramadan. Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pre-Islamic times by the pagans of Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a city on the border between Syria and Iraq, very close to Asia Minor which, today, is Turkey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, they conducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March and usually finished the eighth of April. Arabic historians, such as Ibn Hazm, identify this fast with Ramadan.[/b] 1 Like |
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