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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Demainman1: 10:49am On Oct 09, 2016
twinskenny:


Pop can continue

Thanks. Happy Sunday
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by allCopacetic: 1:17pm On Oct 09, 2016
Demainman1:
Please, I started POP in my BQ but the electrician is of the opinion that wires needs to go through the conduits first before pop to avoid damaging POP if it is done later. This makes sense but does it mean I must stop work on POP?

Advice please.
that's the ideal thing,
Pulling cables after installing the pop ceiling is a risk you might regret. It also makes the wiring job a lil less easy, considering ease of access. Tracing , pulling, and adjustments are better done standing with unhindered access as opposed to crouching in a ceiling or having limited movement.
Avoid the avoidable, If you can't afford to do the full cabling at the moment, run the overhead wires in the areas where you have pop and complete the rest of the cabling later. Lighting cables are the least expensive.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by shyenar999(m): 1:46pm On Oct 09, 2016
Gud af2nun NLanders
Pls can sum1 tell me how much a house of 2unit 2bedroom flat and a boys quarter can cost to sell/buy in a developed site at Ibadan.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 7:41pm On Oct 09, 2016
I had to do this only once, so am sure there are a lot of experienced heads that can also chip in.
Here are my checklists.

# Ensure you have more than enough cement, if they tell you 200. have 250 on site
# Granite and sharp sand also follows the advice up here, dont worry if it remains you will still need it for lintel and other works
# Get your caster to come and view it and plan how they would deck it, for my first decking we used 2 machines and entry/exit points by either sides.
Your concrete biscuits should be in place, square shaped concrete used to lift up the iron works so that its buried inside concrete and not too close to the ceiling surface downstairs.
# Ensure that you consult your structural drawings or your engineer checks that all pillars are in place etc, its easy to add now but more difficult and less effective later.
# Settle omonile before hand if such applies
# Tell your caster they need to be on site by 6AM and it must not pass 1 day
# Make sure you finalise your electrics, I really hate it when something gets missed or pipes blocked, i hate hearing that word chisel. So much so that I now have angle grinder destined for nija.
# Ask about the mix and the ratio etc.
# Make provisions for water
# Make it clear that they must use poker vibrat0r (only costs 5K to rent), I nearly sacked my caster because of this. Dont let them tell you they will tap it, you don't want none of that nonsense. The tapping means that the mix will be watery, they will now use stick to tap it to avoid pores/holes in the concrete.
# Ensure all the wood work is in place and plum. I saw a decking done for someone, the thing be like a magicians shoes, low on one side and high on the other end.
# Before they cast, ensure that the board work is clean and clear. No rubble etc.
# The demarcating walls can be filled with broken blocks to avoid concrete wastage, but make sure they sweep the board and no rubbles on the formwork. Any rubbles you will chisel off and fill with mortar, why why why when you can just sweep the formwork and ensure no rubbles.
# Study the weather before the day.
# Relax and take chill pill

Good luck and all the best.

erico2k2:
Plz lets talk Decking, who has just done his/hers, share your expirience

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AZUH: 12:30pm On Oct 10, 2016
I just returned from my vacation . Who is looking trouble ? Buhari is a trouble maker and now he's a president . If judges can be arrested and a governor can be rough handled . Who is me ? I just watch mavverick new pop design . Guy you've got something to live for oh . 3strikes is tinubu in this thread don't worry they will soon humiliate you .

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 4nobody4every1: 3:01pm On Oct 10, 2016
AZUH:
I just returned from my vacation . Who is looking trouble ? Buhari is a trouble maker and now he's a president . If judges can be arrested and a governor can be rough handled . Who is me ? I just watch mavverick new pop design . Guy you've got something to live for oh . 3strikes is tinubu in this thread don't worry they will soon humiliate you .
Your post made me laugh till l poured my hot Tim Hortons coffee on my steering, chai, Azuh, U go kill person with laugh, U need this koboko, Buhari needs to flog you very hard grin grin grin

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 11:06pm On Oct 10, 2016
Crayford is a South East London suburb. Just yesterday a burst water main overnight caused flooding chaos across parts of Crayford. Water leaked into an underground car park and caused polystyrene insulation to lift the road surface by 4ft; this led to cars being crushed against the ceiling and has left scores of motorists unable to retrieve vehicles. The burst water main in Crayford caused polystyrene insulation under Townhill Square car park road surface to expand and rise by around four feet, forcing the vehicles trapped inside upwards into the roof. Please see pix below.

Now what got me is not the flooding per se but the fact that polystyrene was used for "decking" (concrete slab) and for foundation in the underground car park. I have visited that car park in the past but I didn't know that the parking bay was embedded in polystyrene. All they did was stacked the polystyrene and tarmacked over it literately. This held until the water burst. This shows that with creative civil engineering polystyrene may be deployed for foundation (?) and decking (?) in our civil build at home to reduce cost or weight ?

Abdulwastecx has been the champion on adopting polystyrene and I must confess I'm looking into polystyrene deployment in Abuja for temporary accommodation as partitioning walls, but the big question is: if yawa gas in any form as the pix show, will the polystyrene stand the test? This includes polystyrene parapet........Abdulwastecx come answer your father's name.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 11:06pm On Oct 10, 2016
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Mayor78: 12:47am On Oct 11, 2016
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Interesting! but not surprising. In these parts of the world, extreme engineering is the watchword especially in large construction projects.
What baffles me is that during construction of these projects, the whole place is cordoned off. You are not allowed close to the site without a company specific safe pass. Well we always think it is only for health and safety purposes.
But now I can tell that most times, to protect the engineering technology being applied which obviously usually guarantees solid and eye cashing constructions when finished.
At times these projects are completed in unbelievable record times, in some cases a project you will think will take months would be completed and comissioned in couple of weeks and you begin to curse naija.....if na Nigeria dem do this project, igo take years, see as these oyibo finish this in weeks.......

Well now we know some of the materials they hide to use and why they can finish big projects in weeks instead of months.

You never know what houses are made of here except when rain or fire go to war with some of them as this has shown.

I bow for oyibo!

Imagine deploying such a far cheaper waste material in what one will think was a multimillion pounds project.!!!

If Alaba people know say these can be building material...o'boy they will be removing it from every gadget sold and selling them differently. grin grin grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 6:31am On Oct 11, 2016
Well, we have used polystyrene to do a parapet in Port Harcourt, and I can tell you it's a wonderful material when weight reduction and cost of a project is the major consideration. But there are other things I usually consider in projects.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 6:31am On Oct 11, 2016
diordaves:
Crayford is a South East London suburb. Just yesterday a burst water main overnight caused flooding chaos across parts of Crayford. Water leaked into an underground car park and caused polystyrene insulation to lift the road surface by 4ft; this led to cars being crushed against the ceiling and has left scores of motorists unable to retrieve vehicles. The burst water main in Crayford caused polystyrene insulation under Townhill Square car park road surface to expand and rise by around four feet, forcing the vehicles trapped inside upwards into the roof. Please see pix below.

Now what got me is not the flooding per se but the fact that polystyrene was used for "decking" (concrete slab) and for foundation in the underground car park. I have visited that car park in the past but I didn't know that the parking bay was embedded in polystyrene. All they did was stacked the polystyrene and tarmacked over it literately.
This held until the water burst. This shows that with creative civil engineering polystyrene may be deployed for foundation (?) and decking (?) in our civil build at home to reduce cost or weight ?

Abdulwastecx has been the champion on adopting polystyrene and I must confess I'm looking into polystyrene deployment in Abuja for temporary accommodation as partitioning walls, but the big question is: if yawa gas in any form as the pix show, will the polystyrene stand the test? This includes polystyrene parapet........Abdulwastecx come answer your father's name.
. It's a nice engineering concept but you need to understand it though. I'm certain you must know those polystyrene are in rigid form. There's EPS and XPS.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 6:42am On Oct 11, 2016
The number one fear I have for Nigerian used polystyrene parapet is fires. With the way we squeeze houses into small plots in this country, many houses lean into each other, almost shaking hands across the fence grin If a fire breaks out in one building, the heat can incinerate the next building if parapet was used on it.

The second fear I have against polystyrene parapets is the fear of rodents, birds and even cats that might want to inhabit the ceiling space. Eating up or scratching through a parapet will not be difficult for these small animals, especially for those who lock their house and live abroad.

Oya, abdulwastecx, come and let us look at this issue together grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 6:54am On Oct 11, 2016
Of course the concrete parapet is heavier, takes more time and attention to make and quite expensive in consideration to the other methods like the polystyrene or the pre cast, but it is stronger when done well, and might survive the effects of a close fire better.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 7:04am On Oct 11, 2016
Just some quick casual observations on the flooded park.
It's apparent the polystyrene was only used in a section of the park. There aren't any visible upward lift of the cars parked in other sections.
The polystyrene also didn't seem to absorb water. All the block units are still perfectly aligned. It couldn't have absorbed water and swollen uniformly.
The polystyrene floated.
The polystyrene used in that picture has a very high water repellent feature and it's very strong to lift rolls of cars without structural failure. It's like a barge.
The action of the water against the polystyrene is similar to hydraulic action in heavy duty machines and can lift very heavy objects.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 7:08am On Oct 11, 2016
spyder880:
The number one fear I have for Nigerian used polystyrene parapet is fires. With the way we squeeze houses into small plots in this country, many houses lean into each other, almost shaking hands across the fence grin If a fire breaks out in one building, the heat can incinerate the next building if parapet was used on it.

The second fear I have against polystyrene parapets is the fear of rodents, birds and even cats that might want to inhabit the ceiling space. Eating up or scratching through a parapet will not be difficult for these small animals, especially for those who lock their house and live abroad.

Oya, abdulwastecx, come and let us look at this issue together grin

The Rodents and birds is yet another angle. A simple mistake in execution will resonant more with polystyrene parapet than with concrete. But this is not saying the huge cost difference does not matter. Again, the question is: will the cost difference more than compensate for any eventuality?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 7:29am On Oct 11, 2016
A comparison of the 3 methods of parapet fascia in Nigeria could be found here .....
http://amazingviewpoints..com.ng/?m=1
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 7:34am On Oct 11, 2016
diordaves:


The Rodents and birds is yet another angle. A simple mistake in execution will resonant more with polystyrene parapet than with concrete. But this is not saying the huge cost difference does not matter. Again, the question is: will the cost difference more than compensate for any eventuality?

The cost compensates for the eventuality, the polystyrene parapet is about 60% (or less) of the cost of the concrete parapet. That is a small part of the problem. But in case of any eventuality, making repairs in an inhabited house and the attendant inconvenience to the occupants should be quantified in monetary terms too.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 9:33am On Oct 11, 2016
diordaves:
Crayford is a South East London suburb. Just yesterday a burst water main overnight caused flooding chaos across parts of Crayford. Water leaked into an underground car park and caused polystyrene insulation to lift the road surface by 4ft; this led to cars being crushed against the ceiling and has left scores of motorists unable to retrieve vehicles. The burst water main in Crayford caused polystyrene insulation under Townhill Square car park road surface to expand and rise by around four feet, forcing the vehicles trapped inside upwards into the roof. Please see pix below.

Now what got me is not the flooding per se but the fact that polystyrene was used for "decking" (concrete slab) and for foundation in the underground car park. I have visited that car park in the past but I didn't know that the parking bay was embedded in polystyrene. All they did was stacked the polystyrene and tarmacked over it literately. This held until the water burst. This shows that with creative civil engineering polystyrene may be deployed for foundation (?) and decking (?) in our civil build at home to reduce cost or weight ?

Abdulwastecx has been the champion on adopting polystyrene and I must confess I'm looking into polystyrene deployment in Abuja for temporary accommodation as partitioning walls, but the big question is: if yawa gas in any form as the pix show, will the polystyrene stand the test? This includes polystyrene parapet........Abdulwastecx come answer your father's name.

Good question sir, I will try do some justice to the best of my ability.

To start with, polystyrene in most cases is a non structural form that can be use to reduce weight and cost of structural members like slab, portion walls, roof and concrete fascia ( from a structural perspective). It can be use for non structural form like ceiling, window hood and so many other design.

Can polystyrene be use for foundation? Absolutely yes... Polystyrene can be use for ribbed or waffle foundation as a replacement of concrete volume where a series of rib beam are introduced both ways (waffle) or one way (ribbed slab).

Can polystyrene be use for suspended slab? It can also work like in the foundation as ribbed and waffle slab.

Can it be use as a partition materials? Yes, it can be use as a partition wall and have a great advantage of lightness and faster mode of installation. It made it possible to have a more flexible structural layout because portion load will be negligible. It also make it possible to reduce beam thickness and numbers because lesser load is transmitted.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 9:49am On Oct 11, 2016
Credit to diordaves, I was going to bring this up yesterday.

The building in question was put up in the last 5 years after they demolished an old building sitting on the plot, anyway thats not the main point.

With new building regulations in the UK, the flooring of new builds needs to be insulated. In fact during a renovation 2 yrs ago, I noticed this similar material used on a kitchen floor and it was damaged, what we did was completely rip it up, fill it up with sharp sand and then tiled it. What I see with this building was that they used it on the floor of the car park and probably didnt cover it with some heavy material, when the water company supply pipe burst (12 inch pipe with continuous water pressure), it must have damaged what was used to hold the polystyrene onto the ground and then made it float. When it started to rise, the inevitable happened with the ceiling of the cars hitting the decking above and crushing the cars.

Here is my question, when I did my insulation myself I used what we call a 100MM Celotex board which is similar to polystyrene, I then used plaster board/plywood to screw it onto the batons of a dry wall frame, could something not have been used to cover the polystyrene boards, such that if they float that material will pin it down ?


abdulwastecx:


Good question sir, I will try do some justice to the best of my ability.

To start with, polystyrene in most cases is a non structural form that can be use to reduce weight and cost of structural members like slab, portion walls, roof and concrete fascia ( from a structural perspective). It can be use for non structural form like ceiling, window hood and so many other design.

Can polystyrene be use for foundation? Absolutely yes... Polystyrene can be use for ribbed or waffle foundation as a replacement of concrete volume where a series of rib beam are introduced both ways (waffle) or one way (ribbed slab).

Can polystyrene be use for suspended slab? It can also work like in the foundation as ribbed and waffle slab.

Can it be use as a partition materials? Yes, it can be use as a partition wall and have a great advantage of lightness and faster mode of installation. It made it possible to have a more flexible structural layout because portion load will be negligible. It also make it possible to reduce beam thickness and numbers because lesser load is transmitted.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 9:53am On Oct 11, 2016
Oga spyder880

Pls correct me, but I thought the polystyrene parapet gets plastered in with cement, so why would cats/rodents chew it. Abi which kind cats we get for nija grin. Pls enlighten me because polystyrene parapet will be considered by myself in the future.

spyder880:


The cost compensates for the eventuality, the polystyrene parapet is about 60% (or less) of the cost of the concrete parapet. That is a small part of the problem. But in case of any eventuality, making repairs in an inhabited house and the attendant inconvenience to the occupants should be quantified in monetary terms too.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 9:58am On Oct 11, 2016
Oga spyder880

What kind of issues/repairs might be needed for an inhibited building apart from dirt/dead rodents etc ?
What steps can one take to minimise such repairs or even avoid it self, the problem most people in diaspora experience is that if they put someone inside the house they person might use the house anyhow, when they eventually come back and they see the state of the house, it causes animosity and to even evict the person (especially family member) self na another wahala.

So I am just trying to see whether there is a middle ground from a builder like your good self.



spyder880:


The cost compensates for the eventuality, the polystyrene parapet is about 60% (or less) of the cost of the concrete parapet. That is a small part of the problem. But in case of any eventuality, making repairs in an inhabited house and the attendant inconvenience to the occupants should be quantified in monetary terms too.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 10:07am On Oct 11, 2016
abdulwastecx:


Good question sir, I will try do some justice to the best of my ability.

To start with, polystyrene in most cases is a non structural form that can be use to reduce weight and cost of structural members like slab, portion walls, roof and concrete fascia ( from a structural perspective). It can be use for non structural form like ceiling, window hood and so many other design.

Can polystyrene be use for foundation? Absolutely yes... Polystyrene can be use for ribbed or waffle foundation as a replacement of concrete volume where a series of rib beam are introduced both ways (waffle) or one way (ribbed slab).

Can polystyrene be use for suspended slab? It can also work like in the foundation as ribbed and waffle slab.

Can it be use as a partition materials? Yes, it can be use as a partition wall and have a great advantage of lightness and faster mode of installation. It made it possible to have a more flexible structural layout because portion load will be negligible. It also make it possible to reduce beam thickness and numbers because lesser load is transmitted.

Thanks you guys for coming back to start contributing positively again, my question is if these material as being tested proved to be safe to used. Why can we start using them in effective way to attack massive housing for our people at lowest cost, as material cost are pocket friendly.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 10:14am On Oct 11, 2016
mavverick:
Oga spyder880

Pls correct me, but I thought the polystyrene parapet gets plastered in with cement, so why would cats/rodents chew it. Abi which kind cats we get for nija grin. Pls enlighten me because polystyrene parapet will be considered by myself in the future.


Yes, a thin layer of cement and bonding gum is applied as screeding for the external surfaces of the polystyrene parapet. But nothing is applied inside ceiling space. If rodents can burrow into this exposed part, and work on it, they can create a space which can lead to the outside.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 10:22am On Oct 11, 2016
kopell:
Thanks you guys for coming back to start contributing positively again, my question is if these material as being tested proved to be safe to used. Why can we start using them in effective way to attack massive housing for our people at lowest cost, as material cost are pocket friendly.

Which other ways do you suggest we use it, as wall partitioning?

Then again, the problem of our security. In this country, bricks are sometimes preferred because of the relative difficulty in breaking down a wall and gaining illegal entry into a room/house.

What about the possibility of noise transfer in between the partition? Will it be possible to listen to what is happening in the next room just because the walls are not bricks?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 10:57am On Oct 11, 2016
thanks for the info.
I would have thought this could be fixed by spraying some kind of hardner on it that would make it very hard. Just an idea.

spyder880:


Yes, a thin layer of cement and bonding gum is applied as screeding for the external surfaces of the polystyrene parapet. But nothing is applied inside ceiling space. If rodents can burrow into this exposed part, and work on it, they can create a space which can lead to the outside.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 10:59am On Oct 11, 2016
I have to agree with you Oga Spyder

Given the choice of cheaper and quicker construction material at the expense of a harder wall to break, i would prefer blocks/harder walls to break, at least 2 eyes go close, belle go rest for night grin.



spyder880:


Which other ways do you suggest we use it, as wall partitioning?

Then again, the problem of our security. In this country, bricks are sometimes preferred because of the relative difficulty in breaking down a wall and gaining illegal entry into a room/house.

What about the possibility of noise transfer in between the partition? Will it be possible to listen to what is happening in the next room just because the walls are not bricks?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:03am On Oct 11, 2016
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 11:08am On Oct 11, 2016
kopell:
Thanks you guys for coming back to start contributing positively again, my question is if these material as being tested proved to be safe to used. Why can we start using them in effective way to attack massive housing for our people at lowest cost, as material cost are pocket friendly.

That is a very interesting question. The problem is that these materials are not still readily available or the cost is not as cheap as it should be to help solve massive housing deficit in Nigeria.

We still problem of lack adequate knowledge and know how of how to use these materials. Lots still needed to be done to make these materials readily available to the general population.

Alternative like stabilized brick, bamboo board etc can also help drive down cost of building construction.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 11:14am On Oct 11, 2016
spyder880:


Which other ways do you suggest we use it, as wall partitioning?

Then again, the problem of our security. In this country, bricks are sometimes preferred because of the relative difficulty in breaking down a wall and gaining illegal entry into a room/house.

What about the possibility of noise transfer in between the partition? Will it be possible to listen to what is happening in the next room just because the walls are not bricks?

That is a very important observation sir.

When designing wall partitions, the following are normally put into consideration. 1. Security, flexibility, aesthetics, sound proof and economy.

When using polystyrene as partition wall, the external walls can be our conventional brick or block while all the internals walls can be polystyrene walls.

I think most polystyrene walls are sound proof, sound transfer will not be a problem

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:26am On Oct 11, 2016
urgent buyer for two plots of land measuring 648msq. at treasure parks and gardens (golf & estate)phase 1 ext.,shimawa,behind redemption camp,off lagos-ibadan express road.currently been sold at 4,000,000 per plot by adron homes properties and estimated to sell for 6,000,000 before year end.each plot is going for a discounted rate of 2.5M per plot for any interested person.title doc available are,a duly executed purchase receipt,deed of contract,deed of lease/deed of assignment,land covered with global certificate of occupancy.price negotiable!
HURRY call/whatsapp 08034637732
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 1:38pm On Oct 11, 2016
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 2:32pm On Oct 11, 2016
Falil:
urgent buyer for two plots of land measuring 648msq. at treasure parks and gardens (golf & estate)phase 1 ext.,shimawa,behind redemption camp,off lagos-ibadan express road.currently been sold at 4,000,000 per plot by adron homes properties and estimated to sell for 6,000,000 before year end.each plot is going for a discounted rate of 2.5M per plot for any interested person.title doc available are,a duly executed purchase receipt,deed of contract,deed of lease/deed of assignment,land covered with global certificate of occupancy.price negotiable!
HURRY call/whatsapp 08034637732
Men I don't know why you guys don't have respect for rules for God sake, I hope you red the rules on the page. This is very disrespectful, jumping into intelligence conversations with your aggressive marketing. If you can not sell the land since you've being advertising it what make you think you can sale it in the middle of these conversations. People already saw it before, who ever have interests will contact you. pls keep decorum on these page.

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