TheSuperNerd:
I know about Gabigol and the likes.... Abeg dem reach 15...??

Can they be mentioned in the same breadth as ours player for player??

Nigeria floors Brazil in quantity of Top quality super talents... Hypes aside.

TheGoodJoe:


How do we floor them? Because, our players choose to play in Europe but the Brazilians have most of their youngsters in Brazil. Brazilian league is flooded with youngsters. They have top academies that groom their talents.

They are ahead of us. Then, their players have longevity to develop. Do you see how long Neymar stayed in Brazil? From Santos to the starting eleven of Barcelona. One of the best teams in the World.

TheGoodJoe:


How do we floor them? Because, our players choose to play in Europe but the Brazilians have most of their youngsters in Brazil. Brazilian league is flooded with youngsters. They have top academies that groom their talents.

They are ahead of us. Then, their players have longevity to develop. Do you see how long Neymar stayed in Brazil? From Santos to the starting eleven of Barcelona. One of the best teams in the World.

BascoVanVeli:


Simple, how many many Brazilians are up for this year's GOLDEN BOY?

Icon4s:


It is no luck. When it comes to marking and stopping capabilities Omeruo is one of the bests we have seen in the green and white jerseys in recent years. Had Balogun been fit Rohr would probably had started Omeruo at RB instead of Ndidi.

The reasons he gave for starting Ndidi are exactly the qualities Omeruo posseses.

TheSuperNerd:
That was exactly my next question in my next post....

I love saving certain bullets for later.

Sir TheGoodJoe, oya naa... The "super talented" brazillians have how many in the Golden boy list? I only see Gabigol and his votes? Yuck! So low...

TheSuperNerd:
And we don't have our own home-based top youngsters huh? Apart from those in Europe?

Taiwo didn't move straight into marseille's first XI huh?

TheGoodJoe:


How many are from the Brazilian league?

TheSuperNerd:
Ohhh... You wanna say because they are in brazil, the golden won't pick them up? But there's Gabigol (Inter) and even Boschilia (monaco) and they got low number of votes.... they didn't even make top 10.


Okay... How many from Nigerian league?? Coz I know Obinna Nwobodo for instamce is more talented than some on that list...

TheGoodJoe:


When Taiwo went to Marceille, it was a weak club.

How many Nigerian teenagers will Juventus bid above $20,000,000?

Your talking Taiwo. 2005. In recent years, we are talking Marquinhos, Thiago Silva, David Luiz, Douglas Costa, Lucas Moura.

ChrisKels:


I use same moniker (chriskels) as here

TheSuperNerd:
Well.... All that one na "down the years".... Wonder what heights moura has attained sef with all the hype and money spent?? Is moura even a national team player on a regular basis now since he left brazil after "so much grooming"??


Anyway, my own is simple.... Top 15 U-21 brazillian super starlets today can better our own Nigerian top 15 U-21 super talents.... And I will end this discussion for good.

TheGoodJoe:


Those voting do not watch the Brazilian league. If Brazil exports their top talents, they will perform.

We have good talents just as Brazil but the Brazilians are better groomed. Apart from Kanu who was up there with the best, we are yet to produce talents like them.

We have Iheanacho, Iwobi, Success, and co. because this time we were able to push them out early to better facilities. Unlike the Brazilian young players who have this in their country and their young players for years have this kind of facilities.

TheSuperNerd:
Well.... All that one na "down the years".... Wonder what heights moura has attained sef with all the hype and money spent?? Is moura even a national team player on a regular basis now since he left brazil after "so much grooming"??


Anyway, my own is simple.... Top 15 U-21 brazillian super starlets today can better our own Nigerian top 15 U-21 super talents.... And I will end this discussion for good.

TheGoodJoe:


We do not watch Brazilian league but their League is flooded with quality players. If it was when I spent time watching Brazilian league, it would have been easy. For now I do not. I am just pointing out their history of producing to quality talents. It has been there since the time of Robinho and Gil.

I bet you will write Chidi Nwakali as one of your players. The Brazilian players are in clubs far bigger than the Club Chidi Nwakali was on loan at and the current club.

TheSuperNerd:
They also don't watch MuAZam and Nwobodo in the Nigerian league. They also don't know of Ifeanyi matthew who just recently moved to One of the Scandinavian leagues starring for lillestrom.

With all the facilities they have in their country and their exports to europe since 2013, abeg who among them stand in Nacho's and Success' class..... Who stands in Ndidi's class?

Brazil began football long before Nigeria became an independent nation and long before our first national side was formed in 1949 or so...

They have the "way back" history and the legend of Pele and Zico... And that has contributed to the "hype" around brazillian starlets even when they are not even half as good as players like Nwobodo. #FACT


THE REASON WHY THEY COST SO MUCH?? Come on Sir Goodjoe, You know.... It all about "the hype" and "reputation" built thanks to Pele's, Garrincha's, Zico's, socrates', Jairzinho's legends....

But since 2013 and now, Brazillian exports do not stand in the same class with Nigerian exports even though they cost more.

TheSuperNerd:
I used to watch a lot of brazillian league matches back in lagos... So I am no stranger to the Brazillian league. I am in Anambra for something important for now.

Also, when I was younger, I watched Robinho at santos, Rogerio ceni at Sao paulo, and many others... I have a good idea of the brazillian league and their starlets.

And I tell you, We pass them TODAY

TheGoodJoe:


How many of our players can reach the stage Lucas is in? The competition in PSG is not beans.

TheGoodJoe:


To you we pass them because you watch your players. If you watch the Brazilian league, you will see amazing talents.

TheGoodJoe:


We do not watch Brazilian league but their League is flooded with quality players. If it was when I spent time watching Brazilian league, it would have been easy. For now I do not. I am just pointing out their history of producing to quality talents. It has been there since the time of Robinho and Gil.

I bet you will write Chidi Nwakali as one of your players. The Brazilian players are in clubs far bigger than the Club Chidi Nwakali was on loan at and the current club.

TheGoodJoe:


It is beyond hype. Emenike was Super Eagles number nine and could not deliver at West Ham. Pato AC Milan and performed before injury worried him.

Brazil has passed that level. Is Firminho hyped? Or David Luiz or Thiago Silva.

Brazil has done it over and over again to talk of hype.

BascoVanVeli:


The problem is that a player like Pato can show up at chelsea and flop but yet Chidi is still awaiting his work permit. Remember Yahaya was to go on loan in Spain but no work permit. So they don't get the same chances.

TheSuperNerd:
How many of our players?? Are u serious?? You have one right in your club Sir GoodJoe....


Ask yourself when last Brazil ruled the world at the U-17 level.... So much for having the finest talents and "hiding them in their brazillian leagues"

TheSuperNerd:
It is still "hype"

Did Ganso live up to the hype??

Did Robinho fulfill his potentials despite his obvious super talents??

Has Lucas moura done "earth-shaking" stuffs as a footballer??

What about Henrique who was top scorer and Golden ball winner at Colombia 2011?

The hype is still there biko....

TheGoodJoe:


U17 shows talent but the Brazilian players have grooming. If our league is as good as Brazil. Our talents can shine.

BascoVanVeli:


The problem is that a player like Pato can show up at chelsea and flop but yet Chidi is still awaiting his work permit. Remember Yahaya was to go on loan in Spain but no work permit. So they don't get the same chances.

TheSuperNerd:
I honestly wish our league were that good..... But even in such dilapidated league, we still see fine super talents year in and year out.....

TheGoodJoe:


Robinho won the Copa America, Won The World Cup, Won titles with Real Madrid. Yet you want to tag him as a hype.

Ganso had a bad injury. It was not talent.

If Sani and Chrisantus reach the level of Robinho, it is alanta things.

TheGoodJoe:


The Super talents are not even from the league. It is important to get our talents out of our league's environment.

I doubt Iheanacho will develop the way he did at Manchester City.

TheSuperNerd:
Uhhmmm... Robinho never won the World Cup.

And yep, he "failed" to live up to his hype as "the new pele"

TheSuperNerd:
Whether they are groomed outside and at home, they all have their beginnings in the Nigerian football environment.

Iheanacho started at Taye Academy and remained there till he got some of the world's attention at UAE 2013.

Also, some of the super talents are in the league even though our league is really behind.

Obinna Nwobodo, Godwin Obaje, Alhassan MuAZam, and even Emeka Nwabulu.

And yes... Our players have to "TRAIN WITH THE BEST TO BECOME THE BEST". And where is the best obtainable?? OUTSIDE THE NIGERIAN FOOTBALL SYSTEM IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES AND SUB-MAJOR LEAGUES AND ACADEMIES OF EUROPE.

But they all have their "genesis" from home right here in our system (except ofcos for the likes of Iwobi and Victor moses and others like them who will eventually play for us)
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TheGoodJoe:


Your correct, he won the team after the World Cup in 2002. But, his achievment is a dream for most of our young players.

Robinho Honors
Club

Santos
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A (2): 2002, 2004
Campeonato Paulista (2): 2010, 2015
Copa do Brasil: 2010

Real Madrid
La Liga (2): 2006–07, 2007–08
Supercopa de España: 2008

Milan
Serie A: 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana: 2011

Guangzhou Evergrande
Chinese Super League: 2015

International

Brazil
FIFA Confederations Cup: 2005, 2009
Copa América: 2007
CONCACAF Gold Cup: Silver 2003
Superclásico de las Américas: 2014

Individual

South American Team of the Year: 2002, 2003, 2004
Bola de Prata: 2002, 2004
Bola de Ouro: 2004
World Soccer Young Player of the Year: 2005
Copa América: 2007 – Golden Ball (Best Player of the Tournament)
Copa América: 2007 – Golden Shoe (Top Scorer)
Campeonato Paulista Team of the year: 2015