[quote author=africaken254 post=50466645][/quote]it might use coal as its fuel but wen its stationed off d Syrian coast even d Almighty might west will think twice.

all dis western propaganda will not help.

first it was can it make d voyage, we it did dey now turned to it making use of coal as fuel.

no EU member can boast of a carrier group like dat.


so I salute d awake mighty Russian military for dere millstones in Syria.


BAD BELLY IS ALLOWED.

giles14:
it might use coal as its fuel but wen its stationed off d Syrian coast even d Almighty might west will think twice.

all dis western propaganda will not help.

first it was can it make d voyage, we it did dey now turned to it making use of coal as fuel.

no EU member can boast of a carrier group like dat.


so I salute d awake mighty Russian military for dere millstones in Syria.


BAD BELLY IS ALLOWED.

it was a social media joke ,seriously no body uses coal to power any ship even commercial

africaken254:
it was a social media joke ,seriously no body uses coal to power any ship even commercial

yea its a joke but had d ship broken down or had an incident .I guess it wouldn't b a joke.

social media joke my ass

chinese8107:


india has been sponsoring neighbering countries seperatists for many years,it should not supprise to see it's own insurgents.

how good is EXCALBUR I can't say,but sure there is no short cut for a country to develop it's own small arms to catch up with TOP players.The materials used,the processing methords & devices and workmanships ect all countribute to the accuary and reliablity of weapons.It's about the whole industry not just one or two companies.The reason China can clone some western or russian weapon is because it has similar or at least not too backward and Full Spectrum indutry that many coutries lack.

you are a piece of crap , every time you post it feels like u r the biggest ignoramus in this world , if half the Chinese people r like u , that we have nothing to worry.

insurgents ? u fuuking piece of shiit
these r the Indian para military forces THE ASSAM RIFLES one of the worlds oldest para military forces,
and these will be the same guys who will be fuuking ur Chinese ass if ever the time comes to do it.

india spreading insurgent ?
u fuuk the only time it was in sri lanka due to the miscalculations/stupidity/misadventurism of the intels, when they realized they made a mistake they sent IPKF to kill the same insurgents. thousands of Indian soldiers died trying to finish off the LTTE who later killed the indian prime minister rajiv gandhi for going against them .

as for the Chinese supporting terrorism/insurgents on a world wide scale is not a new case

Pakistan based terror organizations JEM (AZHAR MAHMMOD), LET , HM etc who r designated as terrorists / terrorist organizations by UN are been protected by the Chinese government by using their veto power in security council.


terrorists from northeast India are provided safe haven in Yunnan province of china by the Chinese government .


Chinese government provide support and equipment especially money in excess of 100 millions to the dreaded TALIBAN organization in exchange of downed American tomahawk cruise missiles.


Chinese government directly/indirectly fueled conflicts/insurgents in many poor under developed nations in ASIA/AFRICA by supplying small arms especially used/discarded weapons / ammo in a massive scale. millions of people died .


Chinese government supports and funds insurgents in Myanmar in-spite of having good relations with Myanmar to keep the country in its control.
Chinese intelligence is involved in supporting the largest drug cartel the united WA state army UWSA the largest and deadliest narcotics terror group in Asia. Chinese government has supplied SAMs and even tanks to these insurgents/narco-terrorists in Myanmar including kachin independence organization KIO.


Chinese government supported and funded insurgents / terrorists in Philippines . when Chinese premier chao tzu yang was visiting manila in 1972 the Philippines security forces discovered thousands of arms supplied to communist insurgents by the the Chinese government.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Thailand which led to much blood shed from 1965 to 1983.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Malaysia.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Laos


in Cambodia Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist Khmer rouge insurgents which led to a genocide millions of people killed .
special mention must be made of how the Chinese built a huge air base in Kampong Chhang province in central Cambodia with Khmer slave labour, of whom an estimated 50,000 died.


Chinese communist party committed large scale terrorism in its own country , in the period between 1927 and 1949 more than 3.5 million Chinese died .

Chinese communist party under Mao committed terrorism in industrial scale after 1949, The first large-scale killings under Mao took place during land reform and the counterrevolutionary campaign. In official study materials published in 1948, Mao envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform.Actual numbers killed in land reform are believed to have been lower, but at least one million.


additionally Chinese government brutally targeted mainly former Kuomintang officials and intellectuals suspected of disloyalty. At least 712,000 people were executed, 1,290,000 were imprisoned in labor camps and 1,200,000 were "subject to control at various times."


Chinese government in the 1958-61 period implemented the The Great Leap Forward which bettered its genocide record . the Great Leap Forward was a cause of the Great Chinese Famine and that the worst effects of the famine were steered towards the regime's enemies. the death toll was at least 45 million, and that In most cases the Chinese government knew very well that it was starving its own people to death.
"coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history"


Chinese government invades Tibet which was never a part of china and commits large scale genocide.most brutal forms of torture and inhuman treatment given out to Tibetans. the Chinese government wrongly imprisoned political prisoners and prisoners of conscience, ill-treatment of detainees, including torture, the use of the death penalty, extrajudicial executions, forced abortions, sterilisation and infanticide etc.
more than 1.2 million Tibetans were killed under Chinese rule and still continuing.



Falun Gong is a qigong discipline combining slow-moving exercises and meditation with a moral philosophy centered on the tenets of truthfulness, compassion and tolerance. It was founded by Li Hongzhi, who introduced it to the public in May 1992 in Changchun, Jilin. Following a period of rapid growth in the 1990s, the Communist Party launched a campaign to "eradicate" Falun Gong on 20 July 1999.The persecution of Falun Gong refers to the campaign initiated in 1999 by the Chinese Communist Party to eliminate the spiritual practice of Falun Gong in China.

An extra-constitutional body called the 6-10 Office was created to lead the persecution of Falun Gong.The campaign was driven by large-scale propaganda through television, newspaper, radio and internet. large scale use of systematic torture, illegal imprisonment, forced labor, organ harvesting and abusive psychiatric measures, with the apparent aim of forcing practitioners to recant their belief in Falun Gong.



WELCOME to the modern worlds government sponsored SLAVE LABOR SYSTEM : Laogai the abbreviation for Láodòng Gǎizào which means "reform through labor", is a slogan of the Chinese criminal justice system and has been used to refer to the use of penal labour and prison farms in the People's Republic of China (PRC), which once took up more than half of the world's slaves.Laogai is different from laojiao, or re-education through labor, which was an administrative detention for a person who was not a criminal but had committed minor offenses, and was intended to reform offenders into law-abiding citizens. Persons detained under laojiao were detained in facilities that were separate from the general prison system of laogai. Both systems, however, involved penal labor.

more than eight million people suffer inside these camps. They are forced to labor. If they do not, they will starve. If they do not produce their quota, they will be fed less food, and often are beaten. If the quality of their work is not up to what the guards demand, they will be punished. Made In China — But Was It Made In A Prison? .Publication of information about China's prison system by Al Jazeera English resulted in its expulsion from China on May 7, 2012.



large scale organ harvesting from political prisoners has no parrallels in the world .organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners and other political prisoners in China r practiced in industrial scale. According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients. The organ harvesting is said to be taking place both as a result of the Chinese Communist Party's persecution of Falun Gong and because of the financial incentives available to the institutions and individuals involved in the trade.


etc

etc

i left out Chinese involvement in Africa / south America / middle east / narco trade / nuclear black marketing / fake goods including medicines etc etc if u want i will supply them.

in short ur Chinese government is responsible close to 80-100 million people dead including ur own citizens directly or indirectly and continuing.

Chinese government broke the NAZI records on every inhuman parameter .

its high time u learnt that if u point a finger at others 3 of ur own fingers point back at u.
so next time keep ur shiit comments to ur self

@nemesis

Dont scare of our Chinese friend oh, why go so hard?
His diversity is sorely needed.

Tochex101:
@nemesis

Dont scare of our Chinese friend oh, why go so hard?
His diversity is sorely needed.

he leaves me no choice , i posted a picture of indian para military force personnel to show that the Excalibur rifle is in service , and that idiot out of nowhere calls them insurgents . so i gave him him a picture of the bitter truth and reality of his insurgency loving country.

if somebody posts crap without any valid reason against ur country would u keep quite? .
will u keep quite because u want diversity? ,
will u keep quite because i too like u would call for diversity since ur country not mine is being slandered without any reason.

i was posting and always posted on weapons when that crap always posts his shit comments out of topic.

TILL NOW I NEVER POSTED ANYTHING BAD ABOUT CHINA BECAUSE IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO A PERSONS PATIENCE.

giles14:
any specs of Excalibur rifle

Excalibur rifle


initial prototypes

Weight 3.81 kg (without magazine), 4.03 kg (with full magazine)
Length 895 mm
Barrel length 400 mm
Cartridge 5.56×45mm NATO
Action Gas-operated, Rotating bolt
Rate of fire 650-700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 900 m/s
Effective firing range 450m
Feed system 20/30-round detachable box magazine
Sights In-built iron sights, Picatinny rails for mounting telescopic or night sights



Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS)


initial prototypes

Weight 3.4 kg (loaded with magazine) , 4 kg (loaded with magazine)
Length 910 mm (including butt)
Cartridge 5.56×45mm NATO, 7.62×39mm, 6.8mm Remington SPC
Action Gas-operated, Rotating Bolt
Rate of fire 600-650 rpm
Muzzle velocity 715–890 m/s
Effective firing range 500 meters
Feed system 30-round detachable box magazines
Sights Iron sights, various day and night optical sights


The S&T Daewoo K11 DAW (Dual-barrel Air-burst Weapon) is a multi-weapon resembling the earlier US Individual Objective Combat Weapon in concept, design and operation. It consists of two separate weapons combined into a single unit: a lower assault rifle chambered to fire 5.56×45mm NATO rounds and an upper 20×30mm (caliber of shell x length of propellent case) grenade launcher firing both conventional and air-bursting "smart" grenades, along with its integrated digital sighting unit. it is expensive to buy though.

the south Koreans have one of the best defense industry no doubts about that. African countries can try to benefit from them since they r open on joint production and joint ventures/development etc. i would advice such ventures in the ship building and ammo manufacturing domain especially.

nemesis2u:


you are a piece of crap , every time you post it feels like u r the biggest ignoramus in this world , if half the Chinese people r like u , that we have nothing to worry.

insurgents ? u fuuking piece of shiit
these r the Indian para military forces THE ASSAM RIFLES one of the worlds oldest para military forces,
and these will be the same guys who will be fuuking ur Chinese ass if ever the time comes to do it.

india spreading insurgent ?
u fuuk the only time it was in sri lanka due to the miscalculations of the intels, when they realized they made a mistake they sent IPKF to kill the same insurgents. thousands of Indian soldiers died to finish off the LTTE who later killed the indian prime minister rajiv gandhi for going against them .

as for the Chinese supporting terrorism/insurgents on a world wide scale is not a new case

Pakistan based terror organizations JEM (AZHAR MAHMMOD), LET , HM etc who r designated as terrorists / terrorist organizations by UN are been protected by the Chinese government by using their veto power in security council.


terrorists from northeast India are provided safe haven in Yunnan province of china by the Chinese government .


Chinese government provide support and equipment especially money in excess of 100 millions to the dreaded TALIBAN organization in exchange of downed American tomahawk cruise missiles.


Chinese government directly/indirectly fueled conflicts/insurgents in many poor under developed nations in ASIA/AFRICA by supplying small arms especially used/discarded weapons / ammo in a massive scale. millions of people died .


Chinese government supports and funds insurgents in Myanmar in-spite of having good relations with Myanmar to keep the country in its control.
Chinese intelligence is involved in supporting the largest drug cartel the united WA state army UWSA the largest and deadliest narcotics terror group in Asia. Chinese government has supplied SAMs and even tanks to these insurgents/narco-terrorists in Myanmar including kachin independence organization KIO.


Chinese government supported and funded insurgents / terrorists in Philippines . when Chinese premier chao tzu yang was visiting manila in 1972 the Philippines security forces discovered thousands of arms supplied to communist insurgents by the the Chinese government.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Thailand which led to much blood shed from 1965 to 1983.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Malaysia.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Laos


in Cambodia Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist Khmer rouge insurgents which led to a genocide millions of people killed .
special mention must be made of how the Chinese built a huge air base in Kampong Chhang province in central Cambodia with Khmer slave labour, of whom an estimated 50,000 died.


Chinese communist party committed large scale terrorism in its own country , in the period between 1927 and 1949 more than 3.5 million Chinese died .

Chinese communist party under Mao committed terrorism in industrial scale after 1949, The first large-scale killings under Mao took place during land reform and the counterrevolutionary campaign. In official study materials published in 1948, Mao envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform.Actual numbers killed in land reform are believed to have been lower, but at least one million.


additionally Chinese government brutally targeted mainly former Kuomintang officials and intellectuals suspected of disloyalty. At least 712,000 people were executed, 1,290,000 were imprisoned in labor camps and 1,200,000 were "subject to control at various times."


Chinese government in the 1958-61 period implemented the The Great Leap Forward which bettered its genocide record . the Great Leap Forward was a cause of the Great Chinese Famine and that the worst effects of the famine were steered towards the regime's enemies. the death toll was at least 45 million, and that In most cases the Chinese government knew very well that it was starving its own people to death.
"coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history"


Chinese government invades Tibet which was never a part of china and commits large scale genocide.most brutal forms of torture and inhuman treatment given out to Tibetans. the Chinese government wrongly imprisoned political prisoners and prisoners of conscience, ill-treatment of detainees, including torture, the use of the death penalty, extrajudicial executions, forced abortions, sterilisation and infanticide etc.
more than 1.2 million Tibetans were killed under Chinese rule and still continuing.



Falun Gong is a qigong discipline combining slow-moving exercises and meditation with a moral philosophy centered on the tenets of truthfulness, compassion and tolerance. It was founded by Li Hongzhi, who introduced it to the public in May 1992 in Changchun, Jilin. Following a period of rapid growth in the 1990s, the Communist Party launched a campaign to "eradicate" Falun Gong on 20 July 1999.The persecution of Falun Gong refers to the campaign initiated in 1999 by the Chinese Communist Party to eliminate the spiritual practice of Falun Gong in China.

An extra-constitutional body called the 6-10 Office was created to lead the persecution of Falun Gong.The campaign was driven by large-scale propaganda through television, newspaper, radio and internet. large scale use of systematic torture, illegal imprisonment, forced labor, organ harvesting and abusive psychiatric measures, with the apparent aim of forcing practitioners to recant their belief in Falun Gong.



WELCOME to the modern worlds government sponsored SLAVE LABOR SYSTEM : Laogai the abbreviation for Láodòng Gǎizào which means "reform through labor", is a slogan of the Chinese criminal justice system and has been used to refer to the use of penal labour and prison farms in the People's Republic of China (PRC), which once took up more than half of the world's slaves.Laogai is different from laojiao, or re-education through labor, which was an administrative detention for a person who was not a criminal but had committed minor offenses, and was intended to reform offenders into law-abiding citizens. Persons detained under laojiao were detained in facilities that were separate from the general prison system of laogai. Both systems, however, involved penal labor.

more than eight million people suffer inside these camps. They are forced to labor. If they do not, they will starve. If they do not produce their quota, they will be fed less food, and often are beaten. If the quality of their work is not up to what the guards demand, they will be punished. Made In China — But Was It Made In A Prison? .Publication of information about China's prison system by Al Jazeera English resulted in its expulsion from China on May 7, 2012.



large scale organ harvesting from political prisoners has no parrallels in the world .organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners and other political prisoners in China r practiced in industrial scale. According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients. The organ harvesting is said to be taking place both as a result of the Chinese Communist Party's persecution of Falun Gong and because of the financial incentives available to the institutions and individuals involved in the trade.


etc

etc

i left out Chinese involvement in Africa / south America / middle east / narco trade / nuclear black marketing / fake goods including medicines etc etc if u want i will supply them.

in short ur Chinese government is responsible close to 80-100 million people dead including ur own citizens directly or indirectly and continuing.

chinese government broke the NAZI records on every inhuman parameter .

its high time u learnt that if u point a finger at others 3 of ur own fingers point back at u.
so next time keep ur shiit comments to ur self

Damn this is the worst internet beating I've ever seen.. Talk about a serious beat down!

F-35 Helmet Mounted Display System

nemesis2u:


Excalibur rifle

nt etc. i would advice such ventures in the ship building and ammo manufacturing domain especially.

Nemesis, i hope you know this thread requires diversity, scaring off the Chinese dude with your constant aggression doesn't do much in providing that diversity.

x

Henry240:


Nemesis, i hope you know this thread requires diversity, scaring off the Chinese dude with your constant aggression doesn't do much in providing that diversity.

yeah when somebody says anything wrong about Nigeria without any valid reason would u care about diversity ?

i hate to say this but in the African pictures thread , a south african fellow mentioned something about NA special forces or something related, i dont remember, and u went after them .

very conveniently u forgot about the DIVERSITY issue at that moment.
case of selective amnesia ? (i am pissed right now but cant help smiling while asking this )

did i say anything bad about Chinese defense equipment's or defense equipment's of other countries. did i ever insult or post crap about other countries only when instigated did i reply harshly.


nobody has the right to insult other countries. he posted crap first and in retaliation i showed him the shiit he deserved.
the Chinese is a repeated offender

this situation remains me of the cow and the leech.

the leech is a parasite and latches on the cow and feeds on the cows blood ,on its own it is pretty useless , so to protect the leech u want to sacrifice the cow, it never occurred to u that once the cow is removed , the leech will latch on to another cow and continue doing what it does best. the leech will always be a parasite nothing more or nothing less.

this is plain shortsightedness/ignorance and invitation to get ones own ass kicked in the future.

guess my way of looking at things is different from most of u.


and i am tired of defending myself against this DIVERSITY logic . when the person responsible for starting this should have been asked to apologize by u all.
so best thing i leave u guys to enjoy the diversity.


PS :bad/ignorant/jingoistic men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on, find excuses and do nothing.
today it is me , tomorrow it will be one of u.

nemesis2u:


Excalibur rifle


initial prototypes

Weight 3.81 kg (without magazine), 4.03 kg (with full magazine)
Length 895 mm
Barrel length 400 mm
Cartridge 5.56×45mm NATO
Action Gas-operated, Rotating bolt
Rate of fire 650-700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 900 m/s
Effective firing range 450m
Feed system 20/30-round detachable box magazine
Sights In-built iron sights, Picatinny rails for mounting telescopic or night sights



Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS)


initial prototypes

Weight 3.4 kg (loaded with magazine) , 4 kg (loaded with magazine)
Length 910 mm (including butt)
Cartridge 5.56×45mm NATO, 7.62×39mm, 6.8mm Remington SPC
Action Gas-operated, Rotating Bolt
Rate of fire 600-650 rpm
Muzzle velocity 715–890 m/s
Effective firing range 500 meters
Feed system 30-round detachable box magazines
Sights Iron sights, various day and night optical sights


The S&T Daewoo K11 DAW (Dual-barrel Air-burst Weapon) is a multi-weapon resembling the earlier US Individual Objective Combat Weapon in concept, design and operation. It consists of two separate weapons combined into a single unit: a lower assault rifle chambered to fire 5.56×45mm NATO rounds and an upper 20×30mm (caliber of shell x length of propellent case) grenade launcher firing both conventional and air-bursting "smart" grenades, along with its integrated digital sighting unit. it is expensive to buy though.

the south Koreans have one of the best defense industry no doubts about that. African countries can try to benefit from them since they r open on joint production and joint ventures/development etc. i would advice such ventures in the ship building and ammo manufacturing domain especially.

jstxa little bit confused is Excalibur d name of d rifle or a name give to d program to look for a new weapon.

cos u posted 2 different prototypes

giles14:
jstxa little bit confused is Excalibur d name of d rifle or a name give to d program to look for a new weapon.

cos u posted 2 different prototypes

Excalibur is the name of the rifle , the first picture shows the Excalibur (MK1A) in the post u quoted , it is already inducted in paramilitary and police forces.

these are the pictures of the latest and most probably the final version of Excalibur rifle (MK1C) for the army. unless army asks for design changes after trials and before induction

nemesis2u:


yeah when somebody says anything wrong about Nigeria without any valid reason would u care about diversity ?

i hate to say this but in the African pictures thread , a south african fellow mentioned something about NA special forces or something related, i dont remember, and u went after them .

very conveniently u forgot about the DIVERSITY issue at that moment.
case of selective amnesia ? (i am pissed right now but cant help smiling while asking this )

did i say anything bad about Chinese defense equipment's or defense equipment's of other countries. did i ever insult or post crap about other countries only when instigated did i reply harshly.


nobody has the right to insult other countries. he posted crap first and in retaliation i showed him the shiit he deserved.
the Chinese is a repeated offender

this situation remains me of the cow and the leech.

the leech is a parasite and latches on the cow and feeds on the cows blood ,on its own it is pretty useless , so to protect the leech u want to sacrifice the cow, it never occurred to u that once the cow is removed , the leech will latch on to another cow and continue doing what it does best. the leech will always be a parasite nothing more or nothing less.

this is plain shortsightedness/ignorance and invitation to get ones own ass kicked in the future.

guess my way of looking at things is different from most of u.


and i am tired of defending myself against this DIVERSITY logic . when the person responsible for starting this should have been asked to apologize by u all.
so best thing i leave u guys to enjoy the diversity.


PS :bad/ignorant/jingoistic men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on, find excuses and do nothing.
today it is me , tomorrow it will be one of u.

I responded because the comments came from a South-African. We've always ran the African military threads together, as such know how to respond to each other. I did not conveniently disregard diversity, it remains in the thread.

Anyway, the thread is your thread, and you can choose to do with it as you deem fit. I do however feel your response to the Chinese dude was unnecessary and heavy handed.

Henry240:


I responded because the comments came from a South-African. We've always ran the African military threads together, as such know how to respond to each other. I did not conveniently disregard diversity, it remains in the thread.

Anyway, the thread is your thread, and you can choose to do with it as you deem fit. I do however feel your response to the Chinese dude was unnecessary and heavy handed.

ur individual way of looking at things ad interpret them , not my business to interfere in that.

anyways lol last i checked i dont hold the patent to this thread , it is for everybody
i use it to pass my time in a better way when i want to freshen my mind.
it free for all here now since a certain person flouts the rules any time he wants.

but the thing is anybody trying to crap on others better get ready to get dunked in the same crap .
and now get to it boys when u need to

guess it will be more peaceful and relaxing while playing FALLOUT 4 , i think i will try it out

You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? -DOD

F22 emcon. Between, don't mind my tabs

nemesis2u:


you are a piece of crap , every time you post it feels like u r the biggest ignoramus in this world , if half the Chinese people r like u , that we have nothing to worry.

insurgents ? u fuuking piece of shiit
these r the Indian para military forces THE ASSAM RIFLES one of the worlds oldest para military forces,
and these will be the same guys who will be fuuking ur Chinese ass if ever the time comes to do it.

india spreading insurgent ?
u fuuk the only time it was in sri lanka due to the miscalculations/stupidity/misadventurism of the intels, when they realized they made a mistake they sent IPKF to kill the same insurgents. thousands of Indian soldiers died trying to finish off the LTTE who later killed the indian prime minister rajiv gandhi for going against them .

as for the Chinese supporting terrorism/insurgents on a world wide scale is not a new case

Pakistan based terror organizations JEM (AZHAR MAHMMOD), LET , HM etc who r designated as terrorists / terrorist organizations by UN are been protected by the Chinese government by using their veto power in security council.


terrorists from northeast India are provided safe haven in Yunnan province of china by the Chinese government .


Chinese government provide support and equipment especially money in excess of 100 millions to the dreaded TALIBAN organization in exchange of downed American tomahawk cruise missiles.


Chinese government directly/indirectly fueled conflicts/insurgents in many poor under developed nations in ASIA/AFRICA by supplying small arms especially used/discarded weapons / ammo in a massive scale. millions of people died .


Chinese government supports and funds insurgents in Myanmar in-spite of having good relations with Myanmar to keep the country in its control.
Chinese intelligence is involved in supporting the largest drug cartel the united WA state army UWSA the largest and deadliest narcotics terror group in Asia. Chinese government has supplied SAMs and even tanks to these insurgents/narco-terrorists in Myanmar including kachin independence organization KIO.


Chinese government supported and funded insurgents / terrorists in Philippines . when Chinese premier chao tzu yang was visiting manila in 1972 the Philippines security forces discovered thousands of arms supplied to communist insurgents by the the Chinese government.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Thailand which led to much blood shed from 1965 to 1983.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Malaysia.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Laos


in Cambodia Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist Khmer rouge insurgents which led to a genocide millions of people killed .
special mention must be made of how the Chinese built a huge air base in Kampong Chhang province in central Cambodia with Khmer slave labour, of whom an estimated 50,000 died.


Chinese communist party committed large scale terrorism in its own country , in the period between 1927 and 1949 more than 3.5 million Chinese died .

Chinese communist party under Mao committed terrorism in industrial scale after 1949, The first large-scale killings under Mao took place during land reform and the counterrevolutionary campaign. In official study materials published in 1948, Mao envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform.Actual numbers killed in land reform are believed to have been lower, but at least one million.


additionally Chinese government brutally targeted mainly former Kuomintang officials and intellectuals suspected of disloyalty. At least 712,000 people were executed, 1,290,000 were imprisoned in labor camps and 1,200,000 were "subject to control at various times."


Chinese government in the 1958-61 period implemented the The Great Leap Forward which bettered its genocide record . the Great Leap Forward was a cause of the Great Chinese Famine and that the worst effects of the famine were steered towards the regime's enemies. the death toll was at least 45 million, and that In most cases the Chinese government knew very well that it was starving its own people to death.
"coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history"


Chinese government invades Tibet which was never a part of china and commits large scale genocide.most brutal forms of torture and inhuman treatment given out to Tibetans. [color=#990000]the Chinese government wrongly imprisoned political prisoners and prisoners of conscience, ill-treatment of detainees, including torture, the use of the death penalty, extrajudicial executions, forced abortions, sterilisation and infanticide etc.
more than 1.2 million Tibetans were killed under Chinese rule and still continuing.

your comments are mostly propaganda

,tell me where is dalai lama? how did he and his followers fleed from tibet? China don't lable them as rebel,but they refuse to cooperate.Did India still occupied south tibet which they call Arunachal Pradesh？

Why kashmir muslim wanna uprise agaist india? how many killed?

you call those north indian maoists separists "terroist",like Manipur seperists, how much support China really give ?

Chinese government has supplied SAMs and even tanks to these insurgents/narco-terrorists in Myanmar including kachin independence organization KIO.

How much support KIO get from China ?

I wish KIO really have tanks.LOL. so that maymar can use mig-29 or JF-17 to eliminate them.

special mention must be made of how the Chinese built a huge air base in Kampong Chhang province in central Cambodia with Khmer slave labour, of whom an estimated 50,000 died.

China did support the khmer rough to fight vietnam but did not ask them to genocide people,many of chinese ethnic.

Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Thailand which led to much blood shed from 1965 to 1983.

China gave thailand government around 100 Type-59 Type-69 tanks at "friendship price" to fight Vietnam invation in 1970-80
,and China sell Tailand VT4 tanks to fight muslim insurgents in south Tailand today http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16103/Thailand_To_Procure_VT_4_Main_Battle_Tanks_From_China

Chinese government wrongly imprisoned political prisoners and prisoners of conscience, ill-treatment of detainees, including torture, the use of the death penalty, extrajudicial executions, forced abortions, sterilisation and infanticide etc.
more than 1.2 million Tibetans were killed under Chinese rule and still continuing.

I wish this was ture,how many population in tibet now? and how many Chinese there ?
You called China NAZI, but why not China did like Germany WWII did. Or American did to native indians?
How much tibetans population live in "south Tibet" and how much Indian immigrates now?

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more than eight million people suffer inside these camps. They are forced to labor. If they do not, they will starve. If they do not produce their quota, they will be fed less food, and often are beaten. If the quality of their work is not up to what the guards demand, they will be punished. Made In China — But Was It Made In A Prison? .

How many forced labor in China? The world wish all of Chinese are forced labors not even $1 a day. So that people can buy iPhone7 for $10

Chinese government invades Tibet
Tibet which was never a part of china

So it's a part of india?


I am not a fvcking propagandarist like u, nor do I speak for CCP .your propaganda mostly exagrated. I don't have much interest to argue.

In fact most chinese don't like CCP. many dissatisfied with their own country.That's why they are not interested about propaganda. But seeing some obviously fabrifated or exgrated prapaganda is absurd

pic : India cracked down tibetan protest

chinese8107:


your comments are mostly propaganda

,tell me where is dalai lama? how did he and his followers fleed from tibet? China don't lable them as rebel,but they refuse to cooperate.Did India still occupied south tibet which they call Arunachal Pradesh？

ur comments r propaganda and jingoistic and false

one of the few merits of Indian education system is that it is free from government propaganda and control unlike china.
English is the medium of instruction in majority of schools in India, so there is availability of study material from all over the world , helps us to realize and know our own harsh reality and conditions rather than be hoodwinked into government propaganda unlike in china.

TIBET WAS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY UNTILL 1954 WHEN CHINA ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED IT.
UNTILL 1954 INDIA NEVER SHARED A BORDER WITH CHINA , SO CHINESE CLAIMS ON INDIAN KASHMIR AND ARUNACHAL PRADESH IS A BIG FAT LIE.


Chinese killed millions in their repression of Tibetans from 1954 onwards when they first occupied it . they destroyed Buddhist monasteries , moved in large numbers of HAN Chinese into Tibet, forcefully aborted pregnant Tibetan women and even killed babies on a large scale from 1954 onwards to lower Tibetan population. these atrocities are well documented.

Dalai lama escaped into India when the Chinese army failed to capture him.
Chinese government attacked India in 1962 because India gave asylum to the the fleeing Tibetans from Chinese atrocities .

Chinese army captured arunachal pradesh in 1962 , so why did they retreat back to pre 1954 position. because they had no legal claim on arunachal pradesh.

Why kashmir muslim wanna uprise agaist india? how many killed?

you call those north indian maoists separists "terroist",like Manipur seperists, how much support China really give ?

Kashmir had legally seceded to India and is Indian territory . it was attacked by pakistan because 3-5 major rivers pass through Kashmir , pakistan needed to secure the river source for its own purpose and to that purpose they tried every possible means.

Pakistan illegally gave up portions of pakistan occupied Kashmir to china so as to get chinese support against India.

get your facts right
there are no Maoists in the north of india. Maoists are worse than terrorists . a EVIL gift from china to the world .

chinese intelligence has facilitated the movement , funding and transfer of equipment to a no of terror groups from north east India.
china has developed safe havens to shelter these terrorists after they were driven out by Indian and Burmese army from Myanmar.
they also coordinated the get together of the different groups into a single umbrella group for better terrorists activities.
i even know the name of few of the Chinese officials who were in charge of it.

How much support KIO get from China ?

I wish KIO really have tanks.LOL. so that maymar use some mig-29 or JF-17 to eliminate them.

real what i wrote again , united WA state army UWSA is in the possession of SAMS and tank destroyers supplied by china. Burmese officials have themselves claimed this not me.

China did support the khmer rough to fight vietnam but did not ask them to genocide people,many of chinese ethnic.

china supported and facilitated the genocide. the whole world knows this except for chinese like u. u train and arm a repressive regime and expect to wash ur hands off from the subsequent consequences.

You called China NAZI, but why not China did like Germany WWII did. Or American did to native indians?
How much tibetans population live in "south Tibet" and how much Indian imigrates now?

chinese government killed near to 80-100 million people mostly its own countrymen and yes therefor chinese govt is worse than NAZI.
also i never said china is bad i said chinese government is bad. there r many good people in china , it is the chinese govt which is bad.

there are some refugee Tibetans in arunachal pradesh but majority r ethnic indian tribes of Mongolian stock . ancient Indian texts about 10,000 years old mention these regions including yunan province . in the Mahabharata war one of the warring sides had close to million Tibetan/Chinese soldiers in its army. if we want to make a claim we can do it same like chinese government who uses historical evidence to claim other countries lands.

How many forced labor in China? The world wish all of Chinese are forced labors not even $1 a day. So that people like you can buy iPhone7 for $10

joke all u want , but reality is brutal , add to it the fact that media is tightly controlled in china and free speech especially against chinese government/policy is controlled. chinese govt uses its diplomatic might to stop international media from reporting the reality in china. sometimes it is successful , sometimes it is not.

So it's a part of india?

unlike china which claim other countries land like vietnam , japan , india , taiwan , south china sea , mongolia, USSR/russia etc and always tries to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries

I am not a fucking propagandarist like u, nor do I speak for CCP .your propaganda mostly exagrated. I don't have much interest to argue.

In fact most chinese don't like CCP. many dissatisfied with their own country.That's why they are not interested about propaganda. But seeing some obviously fabrifated or exgrated prapaganda is absurd

also u posted a pic claiming Indian crack down on Tibetans, when India against chinese pressure continues to provide shelter and help to the very same Tibetans fleeing from chinese atrocities.

in recent times china has successfully forced Nepal to hand back fleeing Tibetans through Nepal into India by providing money etc to Nepalese government and the repatriated Tibetans end up being tortured and killed in china

for once ur at loss of words and propaganda because u cant wriggle out of the facts/truth which i have posted and which can be cross checked with open source info . so as a result it is exaggerated propaganda now for u since u know everything i posted is the truth.

let it be a lesson to to u , people who live in glass houses should know better than to throw stones at others.

i dont want to reply to u again because ur not worth my time

nemesis2u:


ur comments r propaganda and jingoistic and false

one of the few merits of Indian education system is that it is free from government propaganda and control unlike china.
English is the medium of instruction in majority of schools in India, so there is availability of study material from all over the world , helps us to realize and know our own harsh reality and conditions rather than be hoodwinked into government propaganda unlike in china.

TIBET WAS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY UNTILL 1954 WHEN CHINA ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED IT.
UNTILL 1954 INDIA NEVER SHARED A BORDER WITH CHINA , SO CHINESE CLAIMS ON INDIAN KASHMIR AND ARUNACHAL PRADESH IS A BIG FAT LIE.


Chinese killed millions in their repression of Tibetans from 1954 onwards when they first occupied it . they destroyed Buddhist monasteries , moved in large numbers of HAN Chinese into Tibet, forcefully aborted pregnant Tibetan women and even killed babies on a large scale from 1954 onwards to lower Tibetan population. these atrocities are well documented.

Dalai lama escaped into India when the Chinese army failed to capture him.
Chinese government attacked India in 1962 because India gave asylum to the the fleeing Tibetans from Chinese atrocities .

Chinese army captured arunachal pradesh in 1962 , so why did they retreat back to pre 1954 position. because they had no legal claim on arunachal pradesh.




Kashmir had legally seceded to India and is Indian territory . it was attacked by pakistan because 3-5 major rivers pass through Kashmir , pakistan needed to secure the river source for its own purpose and to that purpose they tried every possible means.

Pakistan illegally gave up portions of pakistan occupied Kashmir to china so as to get chinese support against India.

get your facts right
there are no Maoists in the north of india. Maoists are worse than terrorists . a EVIL gift from china to the world .

chinese intelligence has facilitated the movement , funding and transfer of equipment to a no of terror groups from north east India.
china has developed safe havens to shelter these terrorists after they were driven out by Indian and Burmese army from Myanmar.
they also coordinated the get together of the different groups into a single umbrella group for better terrorists activities.
i even know the name of few of the Chinese officials who were in charge of it.




real what i wrote again , united WA state army UWSA is in the possession of SAMS and tank destroyers supplied by china. Burmese officials have themselves claimed this not me.



china supported and facilitated the genocide. the whole world knows this except for chinese like u. u train and arm a repressive regime and expect to wash ur hands off from the subsequent consequences.



chinese government killed near to 80-100 million people mostly its own countrymen and yes therefor chinese govt is worse than NAZI.
also i never said china is bad i said chinese government is bad. there r many good people in china , it is the chinese govt which is bad.

there are some refugee Tibetans in arunachal pradesh but majority r ethnic indian tribes of Mongolian stock . ancient Indian texts about 10,000 years old mention these regions including yunan province . in the Mahabharata war one of the warring sides had close to million Chinese soldiers in its army. if we want to make a claim we can do it same like chinese government who uses historical evidence to claim other countries lands.



joke all u want , but reality is brutal , add to it the fact that media is tightly controlled in china and free speech especially against chinese government/policy is controlled. chinese govt uses its diplomatic might to step international media from reporting the reality in china. sometimes it is successful , sometimes it is not.



unlike china which claim other countries land like vietnam , japan , india , taiwan , south china sea , mongolia, USSR/russia etc and always tries to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries



also u posted a pic claiming Indian crack down on Tibetans, when India against chinese pressure continues to provide shelter and help to the very same Tibetans fleeing from chinese atrocities.

in recent times china has successfully forced Nepal to hand back fleeing Tibetans through Nepal into India by providing money etc to Nepalese government and the repatriated Tibetans end up being tortured and killed in china

for once ur at loss of words and propaganda because u cant wriggle out of the facts/truth which i have posted and which can be cross checked with open source info . so as a result it is exaggerated propaganda now for u since u know everything i posted is the truth.

let it be a lesson to to u , people who live in glass houses should know better than to throw stones at others.

i dont want to reply to u again because ur not worth my time

Your comments r mostly propaganda of indian goverment , I dont have much interest to argue.You may do your own research about history but you probably won't coz you work for it

TIBET WAS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY ?

2014 German chancellor，Angela Merkel ，gave a gift to Chinese president Xi jingping . the map of China 1735
,in 1735 even Mongolia and Korea not independent countries

comparing with mordern day chinese map

nemesis2u:


ur comments r propaganda and jingoistic and false

one of the few merits of Indian education system is that it is free from government propaganda and control unlike china.
English is the medium of instruction in majority of schools in India, so there is availability of study material from all over the world , helps us to realize and know our own harsh reality and conditions rather than be hoodwinked into government propaganda unlike in china.

TIBET WAS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY UNTILL 1954 WHEN CHINA ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED IT.
UNTILL 1954 INDIA NEVER SHARED A BORDER WITH CHINA , SO CHINESE CLAIMS ON INDIAN KASHMIR AND ARUNACHAL PRADESH IS A BIG FAT LIE.


Chinese killed millions in their repression of Tibetans from 1954 onwards when they first occupied it . they destroyed Buddhist monasteries , moved in large numbers of HAN Chinese into Tibet, forcefully aborted pregnant Tibetan women and even killed babies on a large scale from 1954 onwards to lower Tibetan population. these atrocities are well documented.

Dalai lama escaped into India when the Chinese army failed to capture him.
Chinese government attacked India in 1962 because India gave asylum to the the fleeing Tibetans from Chinese atrocities .

Chinese army captured arunachal pradesh in 1962 , so why did they retreat back to pre 1954 position. because they had no legal claim on arunachal pradesh.




Kashmir had legally seceded to India and is Indian territory . it was attacked by pakistan because 3-5 major rivers pass through Kashmir , pakistan needed to secure the river source for its own purpose and to that purpose they tried every possible means.

Pakistan illegally gave up portions of pakistan occupied Kashmir to china so as to get chinese support against India.

get your facts right
there are no Maoists in the north of india. Maoists are worse than terrorists . a EVIL gift from china to the world .

chinese intelligence has facilitated the movement , funding and transfer of equipment to a no of terror groups from north east India.
china has developed safe havens to shelter these terrorists after they were driven out by Indian and Burmese army from Myanmar.
they also coordinated the get together of the different groups into a single umbrella group for better terrorists activities.
i even know the name of few of the Chinese officials who were in charge of it.




real what i wrote again , united WA state army UWSA is in the possession of SAMS and tank destroyers supplied by china. Burmese officials have themselves claimed this not me.



china supported and facilitated the genocide. the whole world knows this except for chinese like u. u train and arm a repressive regime and expect to wash ur hands off from the subsequent consequences.



chinese government killed near to 80-100 million people mostly its own countrymen and yes therefor chinese govt is worse than NAZI.
also i never said china is bad i said chinese government is bad. there r many good people in china , it is the chinese govt which is bad.

there are some refugee Tibetans in arunachal pradesh but majority r ethnic indian tribes of Mongolian stock . ancient Indian texts about 10,000 years old mention these regions including yunan province . in the Mahabharata war one of the warring sides had close to million Tibetan/Chinese soldiers in its army. if we want to make a claim we can do it same like chinese government who uses historical evidence to claim other countries lands.



joke all u want , but reality is brutal , add to it the fact that media is tightly controlled in china and free speech especially against chinese government/policy is controlled. chinese govt uses its diplomatic might to stop international media from reporting the reality in china. sometimes it is successful , sometimes it is not.



unlike china which claim other countries land like vietnam , japan , india , taiwan , south china sea , mongolia, USSR/russia etc and always tries to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries



also u posted a pic claiming Indian crack down on Tibetans, when India against chinese pressure continues to provide shelter and help to the very same Tibetans fleeing from chinese atrocities.

in recent times china has successfully forced Nepal to hand back fleeing Tibetans through Nepal into India by providing money etc to Nepalese government and the repatriated Tibetans end up being tortured and killed in china

for once ur at loss of words and propaganda because u cant wriggle out of the facts/truth which i have posted and which can be cross checked with open source info . so as a result it is exaggerated propaganda now for u since u know everything i posted is the truth.

let it be a lesson to to u , people who live in glass houses should know better than to throw stones at others.

i dont want to reply to u again because ur not worth my time

nemesis ur are so funny.d atrocities India is commiting in Kashmir is too bad.

u might not like China as a rival but dey are good.

and in ur last post u accused China of substandard products here in Nigeria 50% of fake drugs in Nigeria are from India.

try open a thread on nairaland and ask pple hw there Indian and Chinese employer treat dem.

no country is without flaws or dark history.

nemesis2u:


ur comments r propaganda and jingoistic and false

one of the few merits of Indian education system is that it is free from government propaganda and control unlike china.
English is the medium of instruction in majority of schools in India, so there is availability of study material from all over the world , helps us to realize and know our own harsh reality and conditions rather than be hoodwinked into government propaganda unlike in china.

TIBET WAS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY UNTILL 1954 WHEN CHINA ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED IT.
UNTILL 1954 INDIA NEVER SHARED A BORDER WITH CHINA , SO CHINESE CLAIMS ON INDIAN KASHMIR AND ARUNACHAL PRADESH IS A BIG FAT LIE.


Chinese killed millions in their repression of Tibetans from 1954 onwards when they first occupied it . they destroyed Buddhist monasteries , moved in large numbers of HAN Chinese into Tibet, forcefully aborted pregnant Tibetan women and even killed babies on a large scale from 1954 onwards to lower Tibetan population. these atrocities are well documented.

how many?milions? I wonder the total population of tibet? destryed buddist monasteries?

many refabrished monateries in tibet you may check the pic online,there are french jounalist wrote report.

LOL moving large number of Han Chinese ? how many chinese population actually there ? forcefully abortion of tibetan ? jesus, if all this policy adopted, the tibetan would have long gone extinguished .Why they still exist in tibet ?.....where are those fabricared documetay ?

chinese intelligence has facilitated the movement , funding and transfer of equipment to a no of terror groups from north east India.
china has developed safe havens to shelter these terrorists after they were driven out by Indian and Burmese army from Myanmar.
they also coordinated the get together of the different groups into a single umbrella group for better terrorists activities.
i even know the name of few of the Chinese officials who were in charge of it.

terrorists from northeast India are provided safe haven in Yunnan province of china by the Chinese government

indian armed force penetrate into maymar and was gun downed ,there r pic online.
Where comes "terrorist " hidden safe in yunnan province

real what i wrote again , united WA state army UWSA is in the possession of SAMS and tank destroyers supplied by china. Burmese officials have themselves claimed this not me.

who said it? any pic or evidence? I has pic that china sell Burmese central goverment troops tank destroyers.

The WA state is a autonomous state of myanmar and UWSA is a registered armed force of WA state leagally approved by Myanmar central goverment under constitution.not a terrorists organization.if they wanna fight each other,that's civil war.

pic 1.2:myanmar central government troops with China made tank destoryer and tanks
pic 3.4 UWSA troops

giles14:
nemesis ur are so funny.

no country is without flaws or dark history.

about flaws ur 100% correct and for dark history ur wrong , how many countries has history as dark as the evil regimes killing millions of people ?

u might not like China as a rival but dey are good.

wrong, there is no reason for me to dislike china or the Chinese people, i am a realist and my profession dictates i be so.
the chinese poster started it by calling indian troops as insurgents, and i showed him the reality about Chinese insurgency activities.

and in ur last post u accused China of substandard products here in Nigeria 50% of fake drugs in Nigeria are from India.

i suggest u refresh ur info about this claim of yours.
why do u think i posted it , if i knew india supplies sub standard medicines.

my school mate was part of the task force whose job was to identify foreign companies who r selling fake medicines under the brand name of indian companies all over the world especially Africa.

evidence showed that such medical consignments had their first point of loading at Chinese ports and many were even shipped under false bill of lading .
these fake companies would tie up with local dealers by enticing them with large financial gains , these dealers would then stop buying from the original Indian pharmaceutical companies and sell the fake products under the name of the same Indian companies.

can a local citizen discriminate as to which is fake and which is real and from which country. Indian companies supply to international organizations and developed countries, so why will they risk the cancellation of their licenses for petty financial gains.

this issue was raised with african countries and joint investigation were even conducted which identified their point of origin. but later along the years as chinese influence grew stronger , the said countries were reluctant to do anything , so in the end the indian government dropped its investigations.

india even took the matter to the chinese government , initially it took some action but pretty soon the fake medical companies were back in business. the chinese said they r help less since this sector is unregulated (then).

another trend was noticed was that some mother****** indians had tied up with these chinese companies and imported the said fake medicines into india in raw form/material and repack them as products of india. these were later raided and shut down.these were small companies with zero reputation and few in numbers , now they find it hard to operate in india and also small companies dont get export licence.

rest u can google go through as many sources as possible about the wide range of fake products comming out from iphones to food stuffs to medicines if i am wrong tell me , i will then take make my statements.

nemesis ur are so funny.d atrocities India is commiting in Kashmir is too bad.

no conflict can be viewed without examining all the factors.

recently
how many kashmiris were killed 50-100
how many security forces were killed/injured 100-200
how many kashmiri hindus were killed raped and forced to leave their homes till date 1 million of them

kashmir consists of south jammu, north jammu north kashmir , south kashmir, ladakh and leh
this protest/insurgency is only in south jammu , where the population follows wahabism /salafism and they openly support ISIS and alquida.

rest of north jammu north kashmir , south kashmir, ladakh and leh are trouble free .
pakistan wants kashmir because they want to control the waters and they do and use any means and whatever they think is necessary to fullfill their aim.

what about pakistan occupied kashmir where similiar protests and killings occured at the same time but i guess muslims killing muslims is not a point of concern,also i guess the pakistani media did not high light it unlike indian media who is free to report as they please from indian kashmir.

what about the uyghur muslims in xinjiang china?
what about the baloch muslims in Baluchistan pakistan?
what about ahmedis , shia muslims, muhajirs in gilgit / sindh ?

nbody shedding tears because these countries restrict their media unlike india
hyprocracy at its best.

try open a thread on nairaland and ask pple hw there Indian and Chinese employer treat dem.

throw the indians out, as the ugandans did during Idi Amin rule. your country ur rules, if somebody does not follow the rules show him the door.

i am not here to make a case for india and indians , because i have my own life to care about , india and indians r responsible for their own actions and sebsequent consequence. i am not expected to defend them at every turn and discussion . they can go to hell for all i care since in the next 20-25 years i am going to die, maybe sooner and then india and indians will be meaningless to me .

all this started because somebody wanted to be a smart alec.

as for opening a thread in nairaland about india , i dont want to die laughing ..........
seriously i have seen the comments posted here ,the conviction / confidence with which they say things about india / indians i get the felling that 99% of the posters have been to india or were indians in their previous life. which i highly doubt.mainly they r having fun and i too enjoy it as i can see the funny side of it.

comments dont kill ,as far as i know till date nobody died by reading comments

and i am funny because life is funny -a well meaning person can get his ass whipped without any reason how funny can that be
guess thats it

take care

how many countries has history as dark as the evil regimes killing millions of people ?

Read about US history how they conquer the North Ameria. And USSR story of stalin rule.

China CCP did many crimes on it's own people by mao's fault..such as the" great leap" or "cultural revolution", it's supprising to find that is the same period USSR was threating to nuke China,and China was preparing for a Nuclear war.

But it's a different thing as Western media propagandarist exaggerated described as an anti-China label.

nemesis2u :



i suggest u refresh ur info about this claim of yours.
why do u think i posted it , if i knew india supplies sub standard medicines.

my school mate was part of the task force whose job was to identify foreign companies who r selling fake medicines under the brand name of indian companies all over the world especially Africa.

evidence showed that such medical consignments had their first point of loading at Chinese ports and many were even shipped under false bill of lading .
these fake companies would tie up with local dealers by enticing them with large financial gains , these dealers would then stop buying from the original Indian pharmaceutical companies and sell the fake products under the name of the same Indian companies.

can a local citizen discriminate as to which is fake and which is real and from which country. Indian companies supply to international organizations and developed countries, so why will they risk the cancellation of their licenses for petty financial gains.

this issue was raised with african countries and joint investigation were even conducted which identified their point of origin. but later along the years as chinese influence grew stronger , the said countries were reluctant to do anything , so in the end the indian government dropped its investigations.

india even took the matter to the chinese government , initially it took some action but pretty soon the fake medical companies were back in business. the chinese said they r help less since this sector is unregulated (then).

another trend was noticed was that some mother****** indians had tied up with these chinese companies and imported the said fake medicines into india in raw form/material and repack them as products of india. these were later raided and shut down.these were small companies with zero reputation and few in numbers , now they find it hard to operate in india and also small companies dont get export licence.

rest u can google go through as many

Indian fake products maker inspired by China. shame on China

what about the milk ? China is notorious for " milk" product adding Melamine.

Indian "milk" made of laundry soap powder and urea

Chinese and nemesis tho

chinese8107:

Indian fake products maker inspired by China. shame on China
what about the milk ? China is notorious for " milk" product adding Melamine.
Indian "milk" made of laundry soap powder and urea

Chinese, what is your problem? You're messing up this thread, are you high?

Please stop derailing this thread.

nemesis2u:




Chinese army captured arunachal pradesh in 1962 , so why did they retreat back to pre 1954 position. because they had no legal claim on arunachal pradesh.

Do you really think so ?
China said due to international presure and unable to tranport the supply.

there are some refugee Tibetans in arunachal pradesh but majority r ethnic indian tribes of Mongolian stock . ancient Indian texts about 10,000 years old mention these regions including yunan province . in the Mahabharata war one of the warring sides had close to million Tibetan/Chinese soldiers in its army. if we want to make a claim we can do it same like chinese government who uses historical evidence to claim other countries lands.

Sounds like India never uses historical evidence to claim land?

what about Sikkim ? no historical evidence this country cease existance in 1975, annex by India.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikkim

Today even China acknowledge it belongs to India.

Henry240:
Nemesis2u, have there been confirmed BVR kills, and at what ranges?


I'm skeptical about BVR missiles, doesn't the range of the missiles give the opponent time to carry out evasive maneuvers, electronic counter-measures and jam the shit outta the missile?

lets suppose a BVR missile is fired at an aircraft and if the said missile travels at Mach 3 and the target fighter aircraft travels at Mach .6 which is the normal corner speed of modern fighters and also if the target aircraft is rated to pull 9 G maneuvers, then the missile needs to pull 225 G to match the turn radius, or 100 G if fighter is traveling at Mach .9 , since G forces in tracking turn are a square of speed. thus this reduces the BVR missiles kill probability.

also if the missile is fired outside optimal launch position then it has to maneuver in order to point its nose towards the target, thus lowering probability of kill and also there is the chance of the target aircraft simply flying out of missile seekers field of view.

again if an AMRAAM / R-77 category missile is fired which travels at Mach 4, and can pull 30 G within its no escape zone, then the missile will be require to pull 400 Gs to hit a fighter maneuvering at corner speed of Mach .6 or 178 Gs if the target is cruising at speeds of Mach .9 which again is a tough ask.

add to it if the target aircraft detects the BVR missile launch early on through its RWRs then it can initiate
1.purely defensive maneuvers like the drag i.e turn 180° around, burn as hard as it can, and make continuous 90° turns to force the missile to maneuver against it.
2.a mix of defensive and offensive like the beam i.e put the missile on a 90° bearing from it and make climbs and dives to force the missile to maneuver against it.

basically the idea is to force the missile to bleed off its energy so that it doesn't have sufficient energy to keep up with the maneuvering fighter especially in the terminal phase of its flight.

In addition to kinematic defense, there is the electronic defense
if the fighter is carrying jamming pods it will try to burn through the active seeker of the attacking missile which is turned on at the terminal attack phase by producing white noise. another way is to seduce the missile by producing multiple false electronic image of the aircraft and getting it to lock on these false radar returns away from the fighter. nowadays aircraft's carry active towed/expendable decoys based on DRFM technology which have significant advantage vis a vis a BVR missile seeker.


again there is the question of the type of air to air combat tactics being run in order to get a BVR kill
For example, in a 2:1 blue on red engagement, one blue fighter will fly out ahead and make two low-Pk(kill probability) BVR long shots forcing the red fighter to go on the defensive early on, as the engaged red fighter falls back to defend itself against the incoming enemy BVR missiles, the second blue fighter will maneuver to get the preoccupied red fighter in its BVR missiles weapon engagement zone (WEZ) for higher-Pk kill shots.

again there is another problem with BVR engagement .BVR engagement occurs at long ranges so there is greater dependency on IFF .
what if the pilots turn the IFF transponders off which the pilots do to avoid being tracked then there is no way to determine that the aircraft detected at long ranges are enemy forces unless they are equipped with IRST.

another fact is that BVR missiles with maximum range of over 100 kilometers, have their effective range against aircraft in attack equal to 1/5 of the maximum range i.e around 20 kilometers which brings it to WVR . the ranges stated are also only true at high altitude against aircraft in attack, at low altitude effective range of BVR missile is reduced to 25% of its range at high altitude, and range against aircraft in flight is 1/4 of that against aircraft in attack.

again success with BVR missiles is dictated by total information and situational awareness using AWACS etc with advanced datalink which in turn allows an aircraft to successfully get a BVR kill.

lets take the example of how a SU30 can kill the F15 in BVR range at 1st attempt or at WVR range at 2nd attempt (theoretical for lack of war)

this involves the SU30 taking a shot with a BVR missile and then turning into the clutter notch of the F-15s radar. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30s relative forward speed close to zero. This is an old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighters maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allows it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness.If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 will be invisible to the F-15s radar until the F1-5 finds itself within the engagement range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. This Su-30 tactic and the high chances of success of its escape maneuver allows for the second higher Pk WVR shot, in case the BVR shot misses its target.


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example of Soviet tactics versus NATO tactics of the late Cold War period.

The F-14s would approach the fight in a line-abreast formation and the Libyan would use the Soviet "trail" formation, in which one MIG23 aircraft follows another MIG23 at a different altitude. The idea was that the Western radars would detect the first aircraft but, not the second aircraft trailing.

The F-14s pilots knew the MiG23s did not look down into "sea clutter" well. That is why as the F-14s approached the MiGs they continued to lose altitude. By the time the two groups were twenty-seven miles apart, the F-14s would be at 5,000ft and descending, the lead MiG23 at 9,000ft and the trailing MiG23 at 13,000ft a few miles behind his leader. The F-14's had been locked-up five times but, once at 5,000ft or lower the F-14's were not locked-up by the MiG23 again.

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there has been 6-10 confirmed BVR kills and at what ranges i dont know.

nemesis2u:


lets suppose a BVR missile is fired at an aircraft and if the said missile travels at Mach 3 and the target fighter aircraft travels at Mach .6 which is the normal corner speed of modern fighters and also if the target aircraft is rated to pull 9 G maneuvers, then the missile needs to pull 225 G to match the turn radius, or 100 G if fighter is traveling at Mach .9 , since G forces in tracking turn are a square of speed. thus this reduces the BVR missiles kill probability.

also if the missile is fired outside optimal launch position then it has to maneuver in order to point its nose towards the target, thus lowering probability of kill and also there is the chance of the target aircraft simply flying out of missile seekers field of view.

again if an AMRAAM / R-77 category missile is fired which travels at Mach 4, and can pull 30 G within its no escape zone, then the missile will be require to pull 400 Gs to hit a fighter maneuvering at corner speed of Mach .6 or 178 Gs if the target is cruising at speeds of Mach .9 which again is a tough ask.

add to it if the target aircraft detects the BVR missile launch early on through its RWRs then it can initiate
1.purely defensive maneuvers like the drag i.e turn 180° around, burn as hard as it can, and make continuous 90° turns to force the missile to maneuver against it.
2.a mix of defensive and offensive like the beam i.e put the missile on a 90° bearing from it and make climbs and dives to force the missile to maneuver against it.

basically the idea is to force the missile to bleed off its energy so that it doesn't have sufficient energy to keep up with the maneuvering fighter especially in the terminal phase of its flight.

In addition to kinematic defense, there is the electronic defense
if the fighter is carrying jamming pods it will try to burn through the active seeker of the attacking missile which is turned on at the terminal attack phase by producing white noise. another way is to seduce the missile by producing multiple false electronic image of the aircraft and getting it to lock on these false radar returns away from the fighter. nowadays aircraft's carry active towed/expendable decoys based on DRFM technology which have significant advantage vis a vis a BVR missile seeker.


again there is the question of the type of air to air combat tactics being run in order to get a BVR kill
For example, in a 2:1 blue on red engagement, one blue fighter will fly out ahead and make two low-Pk(kill probability) BVR long shots forcing the red fighter to go on the defensive early on, as the engaged red fighter falls back to defend itself against the incoming enemy BVR missiles, the second blue fighter will maneuver to get the preoccupied red fighter in its BVR missiles weapon engagement zone (WEZ) for higher-Pk kill shots.

again there is another problem with BVR engagement .BVR engagement occurs at long ranges so there is greater dependency on IFF .
what if the pilots turn the IFF transponders off which the pilots do to avoid being tracked then there is no way to determine that the aircraft detected at long ranges are enemy forces unless they are equipped with IRST.

another fact is that BVR missiles with maximum range of over 100 kilometers, have their effective range against aircraft in attack equal to 1/5 of the maximum range i.e around 20 kilometers which brings it to WVR . the ranges stated are also only true at high altitude against aircraft in attack, at low altitude effective range of BVR missile is reduced to 25% of its range at high altitude, and range against aircraft in flight is 1/4 of that against aircraft in attack.

again success with BVR missiles is dictated by total information and situational awareness using AWACS etc with advanced datalink which in turn allows an aircraft to successfully get a BVR kill.

lets take the example of how a SU30 can kill the F15 in BVR range at 1st attempt or at WVR range at 2nd attempt (theoretical for lack of war)

this involves the SU30 taking a shot with a BVR missile and then turning into the clutter notch of the F-15s radar. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30s relative forward speed close to zero. This is an old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighters maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allows it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness.If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 will be invisible to the F-15s radar until the F1-5 finds itself within the engagement range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. This Su-30 tactic and the high chances of success of its escape maneuver allows for the second higher Pk WVR shot, in case the BVR shot misses its target.


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example of Soviet tactics versus NATO tactics of the late Cold War period.

The F-14s would approach the fight in a line-abreast formation and the Libyan would use the Soviet "trail" formation, in which one MIG23 aircraft follows another MIG23 at a different altitude. The idea was that the Western radars would detect the first aircraft but, not the second aircraft trailing.

The F-14s pilots knew the MiG23s did not look down into "sea clutter" well. That is why as the F-14s approached the MiGs they continued to lose altitude. By the time the two groups were twenty-seven miles apart, the F-14s would be at 5,000ft and descending, the lead MiG23 at 9,000ft and the trailing MiG23 at 13,000ft a few miles behind his leader. The F-14's had been locked-up five times but, once at 5,000ft or lower the F-14's were not locked-up by the MiG23 again.

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there has been 6-10 confirmed BVR kills and at what ranges i dont know.

the Russians need to update there air doctrine. is dere d possibility of having stealth missile

nemesis2u:


yeah when somebody says anything wrong about Nigeria without any valid reason would u care about diversity ?

i hate to say this but in the African pictures thread , a south african fellow mentioned something about NA special forces or something related, i dont remember, and u went after them .

very conveniently u forgot about the DIVERSITY issue at that moment.
case of selective amnesia ? (i am pissed right now but cant help smiling while asking this )

did i say anything bad about Chinese defense equipment's or defense equipment's of other countries. did i ever insult or post crap about other countries only when instigated did i reply harshly.


nobody has the right to insult other countries. he posted crap first and in retaliation i showed him the shiit he deserved.
the Chinese is a repeated offender

this situation remains me of the cow and the leech.

the leech is a parasite and latches on the cow and feeds on the cows blood ,on its own it is pretty useless , so to protect the leech u want to sacrifice the cow, it never occurred to u that once the cow is removed , the leech will latch on to another cow and continue doing what it does best. the leech will always be a parasite nothing more or nothing less.

this is plain shortsightedness/ignorance and invitation to get ones own ass kicked in the future.

guess my way of looking at things is different from most of u.


and i am tired of defending myself against this DIVERSITY logic . when the person responsible for starting this should have been asked to apologize by u all.
so best thing i leave u guys to enjoy the diversity.


PS :bad/ignorant/jingoistic men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on, find excuses and do nothing.
today it is me , tomorrow it will be one of u.

The S&T Daewoo K11 DAW (Dual-barrel Air-burst Weapon) is a multi-weapon resembling the earlier US Individual Objective Combat Weapon in concept, design and operation. It consists of two separate weapons combined into a single unit: a lower assault rifle chambered to fire 5.56×45mm NATO rounds and an upper 20×30mm (caliber of shell x length of propellent case) grenade launcher firing both conventional and air-bursting "smart" grenades, along with its integrated digital sighting unit. it is expensive to buy though.

the south Koreans have one of the best defense industry no doubts about that. African countries can try to benefit from them since they r open on joint production and joint ventures/development etc. i would advice such ventures in the ship building and ammo manufacturing domain especially.

an indicative unit cost of US$14,000. S&T Daewoo K11 is a ****.

In March 2011 it was announced that 15 out of 39 K11s issued since June 2010 (including 7 out of 20 rifles used by Korean forces in Afghanistan) had shown serious defects and the decision had been made to halt production and modify the design. The defects included: barrel movements during firing, defects in the striking mechanism, condensation forming inside the laser reception lens, and defects in switching from single to automatic fire.[8] South Korea's state procurement agency, The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said it has fixed the defects by modifying the designs and improving the shooting control system and will resume its production.
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Great I wish every south Korea troop equipped with it

very funny,saying the fact or comparing some defense equipment becomes offender .So I have to praise everything I see,or simply say nothing that's not big problem for me.