nemesis2u:


for u i have a special twist in the behind enemy lines plot

u parachute straight into a village where the menfolk r away fighting

the syrian womenfolk take out their pent up frustration on the unfortunate enemy pilot tdayof

ur obituary will be something like this .....

gallent tdayof pilot of F16 shot down over syria...............
ejected safely...
..........
in the face of numerous enemy combatants....
............
sorry to inform he was not KIA (killed in action)
but KIP (killed in pleasure)..... fought to the very last breath in keeping with the highest traditions of.......
......may the same fate befall every drowned pilot amen

when the film credits r running
a village in Syria will be shown with 20 little tdayof lookalikes running about with a heading "7 years later"



damn i could have been a script writer

overhypedsteve:
well at least we know one thing that you are, a pervert

nemesis2u:
AESA radar and optronics on board Indian upgraded ZSU-23-4

tdayof:

Manufactured by who? What's India laser weapons capability?

tdayof:

Manufactured by who? What's India laser weapons capability?

nemesis2u:


the Sri Lankans also used transport aircraft's to carpet bomb rebel positions . not many know this, in modern times it was the Sri Lankans who pioneered the usage of barrel bombs. i am sure the Assad guys got inspired by the Sri Lankans.

anyways coming to topic,

lets say "low tech may be the new high tech"

the COIN optimized light-attack turboprops are cheap both to build and to fly. turboprops can use roads and fields for takeoff and landing. Maintaining turboprops, is easy in fact too easy and can be done anywhere without the need for specialized equipment's. the turboprops also have good endurance, some can stay aloft for 10 hours.

the turboprops can carry a formidable weapons load for example Air Tractor AT-802U can carry six 225kg precision-guided bombs and more than 2,000kg of missiles, rockets and ammunition for two 50-calibre machine guns.

inclusion of electro-optical suite gives them the added advantage of being able to carry out persistence surveillance in addition to carrying out pin point strikes.

you must have heard of the OODA loop
Observe
Orient
Decide
Act

these turboprops are fully outfitted to
Observe ( via the olectro-optical sensors etc )
Orient ( good low speed maneuverability , good handling qualities etc for effective strafing runs etc )
Decide ( comms to network with other platforms, perform live feeds, man in the loop advantage etc )
Act ( fire away to glory )


also another thing is you can outfit turboprops with hailers (loud speakers) , these has its advantage ,one of them is if you see a group of civilians moving towards a impending strike zone , you can make a low pass and call them out to turn back etc.

if you recall the STUKAS from WW2 , they had sirens fitted to them , just before a dive attack they would turn it on , was said to be very effective .
i am genuinely interested to try it out on BH, al sabah , imagine play out a continuous deafening, hair raising crescendo via the hailers while carrying out strafing runs on them.

i will bet a penny many at the receiving end will have loose bowels before meeting their maker. cheap psychological warfare one o one

what i find disappointing is the lack of interest, Africa is in dire needs of a COIN optimized turboprop , surely the numbers required are huge , whats stopped them from building one or even get an older frame and reverse engineering it to a capable modern avatar or even acquiring a air-frame and outfitting it with necessary equipment's.

south Africa have one (arhlac) , but it is still in trial (i could be wrong here), if this aircraft was operational 10 years ago , you would have seen it in large numbers, provided alternate systems/parts were there to replace the US systems/parts.

again many air-force fear that buying these turboprops will eat away the funds earmarked for other strategic acquisition or at least delay the said acquisition by a number of years. one of the reasons why we see hesitancy for acquisition of turboprops.
cant really blame them, politicians are stingy when it comes to allocating funds for defense acquisitions.

kikuyu1:


The Arhlac is an interesting design but its design isn't what we need. Its primarily a border watch/anti poaching ops bird not for COIN/CAS. Ok,nemesis2u,here's our task. Buy the Pucara production rights from the Argentines and reverse engineer to the specs below. Idk why but the pic won't show! Anyway no prob.


Origin
Argentina
Type
close-support and light attack aircraft
Max Speed
270 kt / 311 mph
Max Range
350 km / 217 miles
Dimensions
span 14.50 m / 47 ft 6.9 in
length 14.253 m / 46 ft 9 in
height 5.362 m / 17 ft 7 in
Weight
empty 4,020 kg / 8,862 lb
maximum take-off 6,800 kg / 14,991 lb
Powerplant
two 729-kW (978-shp) Turbomeca Astazou XVIG turboprops
Armament
two 20-mm Hispano MS 804 cannon with 270 rounds per gun and four 7.62-mm (0.3in) FN M2-30 machine-guns with 900 rounds per gun, plus provision for up to 1500 kg (3,307 Ib) of disposable stores carried on three hardpoints

However for these times it needs greater speed,payload of at least 3000 kg ,an electro optical suite and auto chaff flares dispenser.
Fyi,the WW2 P 38 managed over 450 mph!! Nearly the speed of sound.


The finished product should sell for 6 mn ,max 7.5mn$ a piece with the highest CPFH of 500-750 $. Anyone else chip but pls stick to the parameters

tdayof:
The Pakistani claimed US made use of terrain masking to access Islamabad. Nemesis what's your opinion?

nemesis2u:




almost missed this question

will do an write up later

nemesis2u:


can u clarify the question again , i did not gasp it.
edit : got it

if ur buying Pucara production rights, then u dont need to reverse engineer it . all u need is to re-engineer it to suit ur requirements .

:However for these times it needs greater speed,payload of at least 3000 kg ,an electro optical suite and auto chaff flares dispenser.

nemesis2u:
in answer to the mention of dhruv in Ecuador :

I don't have the habit of blindly supporting anything that is made in India. Indian government sector is mismanaged and totally devoid of common sense , to say nothing of the jackass bureaucracy .

the fact is most of the crashes of the Dhruv was in its older version. The earlier Dhruv was bound to have issues as it was our first product, but the current Dhruv are essentially a different helicopter with the same design. Apart from the basic airframe design, nothing is same anymore. The power-plant, transmission, avionics and the cockpit is entirely different. And the modification of flight control laws need not be even mentioned as it is common for any platform.

There's a total of 14 crashes with 4 of them on Ecuador fleet. Let's look at them in detail, shall we?

2005 1
2007 1
2009 1 (Ecuador)
2010 2
2011 2
2012 1
2013 1
2014 2 (1 Ecuador)
2015 3 (2 Ecuador)

Total 14 (4 Ecuador)
************************

Ecuador (4 Crashes)

2 Crashes were due to Pilot error and 2 due to mechanical error. However the mechanical error crashes are suspected to be due to lack of maintenance as they happened after the HAL maintenance contract was over.

"HAL, which had provided ground support for these choppers in Ecuador, have said that the two choppers that crashed allegedly because of mechanical defects went down after the ground support period with Ecuador had ended."
As for the crashes that occur after maintenance contract, it is the responsibility of the operator to ensure proper maintenance of their aircraft. Ecuador had opted for a short maintenance contract to save money and the entire contract was billed at $45 million (USD). The length of the maintenance contract is always the choice of the customer and the manufacturer can't dictate the terms.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/after-4-crashes-ecuador-grounds-fleet-of-indian-dhruv-choppers-cancels-contract-1232715

India (10 Crashes)

2015 - Unknown
2014 - Technical Error
2013 - Technical Error
2012 - Unknown
2011 - Technical, Weather
2010 - Technical, Unknown
2007 - Pilot Error
2005 - Technical Error

5 confirmed incidents of Technical Error, 6 confirmed incidents of not being design fault - against over 300 helicopters in service for nearly 15 years, Yes this is a good record for a first helicopter designed and made inhouse. As the older versions get phased out, the safety record will only get better. Also consider the fact that last 2-3 years saw over 30 new model Dhruv being inducted on an yearly basis with no crashes against it.





SARANG helicopter acrobatic display team of the Indian Air Force dhruvs (ALH) -presently the only such team in the world i think.
MOTTO (in jest)
"BUT FOR THE ROTOR, WE COULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER"

kikuyu1:


Exactly! With the requirements I listed above
After all reengineering it must cost below 7.5 mn$ a unit.

bidexiii:
#SYRIA
#AhrarAlSham Releases Pictures Shows Its Remote Control VBIED In #Aleppo. #TerrorMonitor

jakeporeshenko:
China to unveil unmanned bomber aircraft at Airshow China 2016

I wonder what they'll name this one

nemesis2u:
@tdayof

Terrain masking is simply hiding behind terrain features.

"Terrain masking" is a means of avoiding active radar by positioning the aircraft so that there is natural earth hiding it from the radio waves sent by the radar system. This technique is used by military pilots to fly to their target stealthily, using the topography to mask their approach from detecting radar microwaves.

basically it is achieved by flying through low elevations, keeping the higher elevations between you and whatever you don't want looking at you. These detectors could be radar, lasers, IR cameras, or humans.

A primary advantage is that the detectors mentioned above can't pinpoint your position. These detectors are usually associated with things that can hurt you, so staying out of sight (or out of line-of-sight of their weapons) increases your life expectancy.

Other advantages include:
1.You present more of a fleeting target.
2.Not many other aircraft are going to come down and try to tangle with you.
3.Your target has a harder time seeing you coming.
4.Radar-guided weapons have difficulty picking your image out from the ground clutter.

A primary disadvantage is that you need to fly really low to hide behind terrain features. Since the ground has a near 100% probability of killing you if you run into it while traveling at speed, this can often offset the advantages of hiding from something shooting at you with a worse kill probability.

Other disadvantages include:
1.You tend to burn more gas when flying low.
2.You can't see as far.
3.You're in range of a LOT more stuff that can hurt you. MANPADS, AAA, even an AK47
4.Bird hits
5.You don't have as much room to maneuver.
6.If you have an emergency (like an engine flame out), you have fewer options and less time to sort it out. (The first response is usually to climb and then get killed from whom ever you were trying to hide from in the first place )


This is also called "flying under the radar." Because of the curvature of the earth there is a maximum distance that a ground based, line-of-sight radar can detect a low flying target. Beyond that distance, the target would literally be flying under the radar waves. What further complicates the problem is "ground clutter." The radar return from trees, buildings, and just the ground will obscure the low flying airborne target. It gets lost in all 'clutter' of those many radar returns other than the aircraft.

as far as i am concerned Nap-of-the-earth, Terrain masking , flying under the radar are interchangeable since they serve the same purpose. fighter jets fitted with Terrain-following radar (TFR) are only capable of doing the above . eg rafale

certain military helicopters also have terrain-following radar. Due to their lower speed and high maneuverability, helicopters are normally able to execute terrain masking better fixed wing aircraft.

regarding the osama raid , some sort of stealth helicopter was used , but it was limited , because helicopters with their moving rotors are inherently not stealthy. they are also not completely radar evading due to the above reason.
US probably employed EW assets like Prowlers and Growlers to jam / blind the Pakistani radars (Chinese). me thinks it is entirely possible that US also switched off/disabled the radars (US supplied) .
the helicopters then used terrain masking to ingress into Pakistan , unobserved visually / electronically .

Pakistan assets r deployed mainly in the east and still there are gaps , MIG25s used to breach their airspace ( up to Afghanistan border ) on a regular basis sometimes to spook them they would turn on their afterburners and climb to max altitude and go supersonic. they could do nothing.

kikuyu1:


The Arhlac is an interesting design but its design isn't what we need. Its primarily a border watch/anti poaching ops bird not for COIN/CAS. Ok,nemesis2u,here's our task. Buy the Pucara production rights from the Argentines and reverse engineer to the specs below. Idk why but the pic won't show! Anyway no prob.


Origin
Argentina
Type
close-support and light attack aircraft
Max Speed
270 kt / 311 mph
Max Range
350 km / 217 miles
Dimensions
span 14.50 m / 47 ft 6.9 in
length 14.253 m / 46 ft 9 in
height 5.362 m / 17 ft 7 in
Weight
empty 4,020 kg / 8,862 lb
maximum take-off 6,800 kg / 14,991 lb
Powerplant
two 729-kW (978-shp) Turbomeca Astazou XVIG turboprops
Armament
two 20-mm Hispano MS 804 cannon with 270 rounds per gun and four 7.62-mm (0.3in) FN M2-30 machine-guns with 900 rounds per gun, plus provision for up to 1500 kg (3,307 Ib) of disposable stores carried on three hardpoints

However for these times it needs greater speed,payload of at least 3000 kg ,an electro optical suite and auto chaff flares dispenser.
Fyi,the WW2 P 38 managed over 450 mph!! Nearly the speed of sound.



The finished product should sell for 6 mn ,max 7.5mn$ a piece with the highest CPFH of 500-750 $. Anyone else chip but pls stick to the parameters

kikuyu1:


The Arhlac is an interesting design but its design isn't what we need. Its primarily a border watch/anti poaching ops bird not for COIN/CAS. Ok,nemesis2u,here's our task. Buy the Pucara production rights from the Argentines and reverse engineer to the specs below. Idk why but the pic won't show! Anyway no prob.

chinese8107:


Y-5 or An-2 North Korea or China or Russia/Eastern Europe may still have some. though the payload is only 1.5-2 tons,add some machine guns or unguided weapons is easy,this is what north korea did,use as light attacker ,can also tranport 10 troops.

latest vetsion an-2-100 with ukrainian 1500hp engine.

tdayof:

Can You Post Some Chinese Special Forces Pictures?

chinese8107:
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tdayof:

post Nice ones. This picture makes them look like Civil defense.