BascoVanVeli:


Ur insult could never have been directed at me as i am not Musa. U r trying to make it seem like he won't get offers in Europe as he is not that good. Like i said don't use npfl to cover shade, is it only Musa that u want to bring back home? Why don't u wish that on ur favorite player. The boy is trying to be a bread winner for his family and u are wishing him owed salary and i'm the wierd one for opposing it, go figure.

tbaba1234:
Bravo should have saved that last minute equalizer by Borough.. thegoodjoe..

tbaba1234:


Musa also played right back against Plateau United before ndidi came on.

How else do you screen players?

The coach felt that he did not measure up to the level, he wanted.

chrisooblog:
Hi guys intriguing debate you all are having about experience. In alampasu's case I might not start him against the Algerians ahead of akpeyi because you cannot compare playing in the south African top flight to Portuguese 3rd division. If dele was playing for say Porto, benfica or sporting Lisbon even if in reserves then one can take a calculated risk to field him.

On the matter of coaches sometimes sentimentally sticking to a player it might be a case of a coach knowing from past experience what a player can do for him and so trusts the player to deliver again. For example John ogu has been in form this season plus playing regularly for his club yet we don't expect him to start ahead of Mikel who we all know has big game experience.

I don't mind ndidi and onazi Starting together to be honest while pushing Mikel further up the pitch but yeah ndidi is overall a better DMF than onazi

Jefersoun:
Experience counts just as talent(best player at that moment), it all depends on how you balance things out. Remember when Rohr said he is going to pick is players according to their performance in their club, but he made exceptions to some players. Mikel was part of the exceptions he made, that is what we call experience playing is part. So we must at all times know when to balance experience and the best talent at the moment. There are some position in life that needs experience or talent or both. Happy saturday.

TheGoodJoe:


Overtime, I have studied it, Westerhof had no place for experience. He only had space for the best. As soon as a regular drops form, he had a younger replacement ready. It was after Westerhof went that the competition dropped and I started hearing a player should keep his place because of experience.

TheGoodJoe:


Mikel made Rohr's list based on his exceptional performances at the Olympics. Watching the Olympics, it was clear he is a special talent. One who was among the best in the team.

Jefersoun:
So what bases did he use in selecting mikel for the Algeria clash. Remember mikel has not played a match for almost a month now. That is where the exception to some rules comes in.

Icon4s:


Is it the same Westerhof that kept a very skill but inexperienced Okocha on the bench and played a less fancifull but more experienced Thompson Oliha at the '94 AFCON and '94 WC.

What of keeping a young Victor Ikpeba that was in blistering form at AS Monaco on the bench and fielding Yekini and Siasia who were playing at less fancied clubs particularly Siasia.

The only good thing Yekini did right at that WC was that tap in goal against Bulgaria. Yekini didnt have a good tournament IMO opinion.

What of Siasia whose only highlight for that WC was the goal against Argentina. Ikpeba was playing in a better club and better league than Siasia and was also in a sizzling form. But Westerhof chose Siasia ahead of him as the second sreiker.

Westerhof also favoured experience. Take a look at his defense of 1994. The youngest player was Ben Iroha who joined the team in 1989( Five years before that 94 WC).

I know u too well TheGoodJoe. Any time i want a young player u love included in the Super Eagles u start shouting "Kill that experience thing".

I know how we argued in the past abt Victor Osimhen and Taiwo Awoniyi being experienced enough for the U23(not even the Super Eagles)

Now it is Alampasu. Ok kontinuu.

tbaba1234:


But Westerhof also gave a starting shirt to Oliseh, who was 19 at the time... Okocha started some games in Tunisia '94 and world cup 94. He was just not always a starter. Amuneke was also a youngster at the time.

Ikpeba was not that hot in 1993-1994... He just joined Monaco...

Westerhof did give opportunities to young players. He just did it gradually.

Icon4s:


Is it the same Westerhof that kept a very skillful but inexperienced Okocha on the bench and played a less fancifull but more experienced Thompson Oliha at the '94 AFCON and '94 WC.

What of keeping a young Victor Ikpeba that was in blistering form at AS Monaco on the bench and fielding Yekini and Siasia who were playing at less fancied clubs particularly Siasia.

The only good thing Yekini did right at that WC was that tap in goal against Bulgaria. Yekini didnt have a good tournament IMO.

What of Siasia whose only highlight for that WC was the goal against Argentina. Ikpeba was playing in a better club and better league than Siasia and was also in a sizzling form. But Westerhof chose Siasia ahead of him as the second striker bc of Siasia's wealth of experience.

Westerhof also favoured experience. Take a look at his defense of 1994. The youngest player was Ben Iroha who joined the team in 1989( Five years before that 94 WC).

I know u too well TheGoodJoe. Any time u want a young player u love included in the Super Eagles u start shouting "Kill that experience thing".

I know how we argued in the past abt Victor Osimhen and Taiwo Awoniyi being experienced enough for the U23(not even the Super Eagles)

Now it is Alampasu. Ok kontinuu.

Icon4s:


Good. All coaches give young players opportunities. But what i stand against TheGoodJoe saying Westerhof never used experience as a yard stick in team selection
Look at Westerhof's defense did u see any Rookie?

Weaterhof capped a 19years old oliseh, young Okocha and Amuneke jst like Rohr capped a 19yrs old Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi, Simon, Mohammed, hu are all U20s.

Did Westerhof play any Rookie keeper or Defender all through from Algiers '90 to Tunisia 94 & USA '94.

tbaba1234:


But Westerhof also gave a starting shirt to Oliseh, who was 19 at the time... Okocha started some games in Tunisia '94 and world cup 94. He was just not always a starter. Amuneke was also a youngster at the time.

Ikpeba was not that hot in 1993-1994... He just joined Monaco...

Westerhof did give opportunities to young players. He just did it gradually.

Icon4s:


To mention the word "Experience" is like a taboo to TheGoodJoe.

joseph1013:
That's it. He did it gradually! Westerhoff would never have allowed Okocha play his first game for Nigeria against Italy in the quarter finals. He didn't even play him at the first game against Bulgeria. Okocha made his official debut for Nigeria in the 2–1 1994 FIFA World Cup Qualifier away loss against Ivory Coast. He came in in the second half.

All these emotional talks about Alampasu, no serious coach will give it any thought.

tbaba1234:


Your post almost tried to paint westerhof as a man who just favored experience but he blooded in so many young players...

I however agree with you on principle regarding the importance of experience... A good balance of experience and youth is always good.

Icon4s:


Good. All coaches give young players opportunities. But what i stand against TheGoodJoe saying Westerhof never used experience as a yard stick in team selection
Look at Westerhof's defense did u see any Rookie?

Weaterhof capped a 19years old oliseh, young Okocha and Amuneke jst like Rohr capped a 19yrs old Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi, Simon, Mohammed, hu are all U20s.

Did Westerhof play any Rookie keeper or Defender all through from Algiers '90 to Tunisia 94 & USA '94.

Jefersoun:
I think we should know when to put talent ahead of experience. You can't put talent ahead of experience when dealing with some vital positions, just as head of institutions, world bank, contruction companies, to mention but a few. You just have to gain experience to be able to handle difficult times, pressure, competition and so much more. We are not disputing talent for a bit. You just have to know when to put one first before the other.

TheGoodJoe:


Westerhof played the best players. I wonder how you jumped from that to young players. Westerhof did not use experience as a criteria but the players he felt were the best for each role.

I am not talking of blooding in youngsters. I am talking about the best. Whether he is inexperienced or not.

Jefersoun:
I think we should know when to put talent ahead of experience. You can't put talent ahead of experience when dealing with some vital positions, just as head of institutions, world bank, contruction companies, to mention but a few. You just have to gain experience to be able to handle difficult times, pressure, competition and so much more. We are not disputing talent for a bit. You just have to know when to put one first before the other.

Icon4s:


OMG

TheGoodJoe:


Every position. Pique was about 19 or 20 when he became one of the best defenders in the World. If a youngster at that age can become so commanding and brilliant, which other role deserves caution?

De Gea was 18 when he became a big part of a successful Atletico Madrid. If you are good enough, you are old enough.