The next day my friend showed up at my door and told me Tuesday 25th may, 2016 is healing and deliverance service, she pleaded with me to attend and i refused.

but there is something i noticed, movement became difficult for me, is like something partially detached from my body and is dangling. my whole body feels broken and every body part was not moving at the same time.......i said to my self.. it is that pastor's fault, so i attended the Tuesday service.......it was a big TV and we were all watching Pastor Eneche ministering.

Then it was a heated prayer section....and the minister said we should ask God for mercy ;
beloved... it was mercy i thought i ask God.... and the asking became something else.....a cry of confusion .....like "mercyyyyy mercyyyy"

after a while, I'm not so sure how long.....i saw dunamis sisters and brothers re arranging the seats....what happen?......i was bulldozing all the seats and the people ran away from that area.....seats were broken and the entire area was pretty cleared.

so this n weytin them dey see for church?

On the 26th of May, 2016, it was a thursday and a program was on in dunamis, i went to work in the central area of abuja with that partial detachment that is still dangling......it was very disturbing so i told my principal about it.....and that i need excuse to go to the church that has put me in this condition and he oblige me.

So i showed up in Area 1 dunamis Head quarter on Thursday evening.... i was like...today na today...this matter must be settled.

the worship was awesome.....songs that i have never heard before.....i was told they were composed by the pastor him self.....it was just wonderful. message was powerful but i cannot even remember it.

Then it was a heated prayer section.......prayyyyy....prayyyy. then suddenly i heard Eneche......speaking.....like...laqas...loqacos.....loccos itemeberete....loqacasss,.....ijalabarata......

ladies and gentle men.....is like this language was spoken from my belly into my ear.. my whole body could not contain and comprehend of this word that just came out of the pastor.....then wahala don start......i see my self fighting to maintain a balance....my legs were fighting with me....a powerful force came and packed my two legs up... it was a proper brushing because i went head down.....heyyy.....pains.....

my body was put in a fist like an epileptic activities....something was checking out of me and it was a serious fight......the force at which the thing pulled out left all my feet with peppering sensation.....pepper....pepper.....something rough that i could describe as a giant crocodile.....what was that?.......na wa oo.
by the time i recovered, i could not just understand all what went on because i was at the last seat at the gallery of the church....and nobody touched me...i was very far away from the minister.

The next day was an all night service, i closed from work and went straight to Area1 dunamis....service start 9:30pm but i was there before 5pm....i said to my self ...let the mystery behind all this unveil......i was very determine to get to the root of my matter.

but you know what

That partial dangling left on that thursday.....i did not notice it again.

urheme:
The next day was an all night service, i closed from work and went straight to Area1 dunamis....service start 9:30pm but i was there before 5pm....i said to my self ...let the mystery behind all this unveil......i was very determine to get to the root of my matter.

but you know what

That partial dangling left on that thursday.....i did notice it again.

Come back here and finish this joor.

bbfever:



Come back here and finish this joor.

easy lo....
the events are just so much.....i should take my time if not you won't get the full story

urheme:


easy lo....
the events are just so much.....i should take my time if not you won't get the full story

Ok if you say so but that partial dangling though... what do you think it was.

bbfever:



Blessed are they who though have not seen..yet believe.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.

Thid is why we are so different from Atheists. Our perceptions differ.

Theists have a higher perception while Atheists have a lower one but assume they have the higher one through logic.

What's the proof of a higher perception? Remember the African proverb that says that what an old man sees sitting down a young guy can't see standing up.

You know the real effect of the wiser man's perception, he can predict things to come and steer clear of trouble and lead a more productive life.

Please theist with a higher perception, can you please show me the effect of your higher perception. I don't mean for you specifically but for theists as a whole.
I don't mean claiming a spiritual insight that you feel atheists don't have cos I can even do that. I mean showing how the theist life differs because of a higher perception.

An eagle has the best eyesight possible in nature and we can see the effect of that when it hunts for prey.

Is there any result or effect of the so called higher perception of theists. Please explain if the effect is financial, emotional, social or political. Please don't tell me the result can't be perceived naturally and the reason why we can't see the result is because we have a lower perception. Perception leads to action and results. Perception might be personal but results should be observable by all.

Thank you. I am waiting for your answer.

LiberaDeus:


What's the proof of a higher perception? Remember the African proverb that says that what an old man sees sitting down a young guy can't see standing up.

You know the real effect of the wiser man's perception, he can predict things to come and steer clear of trouble and lead a more productive life.

Please theist with a higher perception, can you please show me the effect of your higher perception. I don't mean for you specifically but for theists as a whole.
I don't mean claiming a spiritual insight that you feel atheists don't have cos I can even do that. I mean showing how the theist life differs because of a higher perception.

An eagle has the best eyesight possible in nature and we can see the effect of that when it hunts for prey.

Is there any result or effect of the so called higher perception of theists. Please explain if the effect is financial, emotional, social or political. Please don't tell me the result can't be perceived naturally and the reason why we can't see the result is because we have a lower perception. Perception leads to action and results. Perception might be personal but results should be observable by all.

Thank you. I am waiting for your answer.

I spoke few words to bennyann and because we share the same spirit and field of view he understood it in a heartbeat. Your lenghty words all targeted towards grasping a faint understanding of the very words bennyann understood further goes to buttress my point that your perception is lower and different from mine.

Just like I told bennyann you now want me to explain this from my perception which you can never have nor can you understand without knowing who I know and what I know so guess what...I do not think I wish to bother with an explanation to you.

If you can know the colour, kinds of furniture and details inside a locked house while standing outside then we can talk. I am inside that locked house and until you can find the key to open the door and come inside then this convo is useless.

Thanks for your request but I humbly decline

So i'm in the all night chilling with God....waiting desperately for the minister to mount the pulpit....because i know something will happen....what ever is encountering or accessing me must come today.

worship started....awesome .....prayers started....something begin to happen to people....a lot of thing... i never knew this is the kind of things that happens in church......

then i found my self before the alter with other persons.....perhaps i walk there on my own...not so sure i was in my right self when i did but i was there now.........Eneche is not far from where i was standing but i was not just my self..... so heated prayers was on and i could not hear anything....there was an arrest of my entire system and i could not move...

then fever ...cold...shivering ...... my heart began to beat heavily out of point....never knew a heart could beat like that and the person will still be alive.

My heart began to take a walk from the left side of my ribs to the other side.....i can feel it.....squeezing it self in between organs at the other side of my ribs.....God......the pains was just unbearable and the bad part was that i could not move .......felt like i was physically arrested in that alter....no body touched me and nobody prayed for me....i was just on my own.

then the cold ceased and fever too.... i felt unreasonably normal....but the pain in my heart remained.

so i found my feet again..... released.... and i was able to walk out of that alter.

Service ended at 5:am in the morning... and i went home with the consciousness that my heart is at the right side of my ribs and the pains was very bad.


will see you guys later...love you all

bbfever:



Ok if you say so but that partial dangling though... what do you think it was.

my dear i don't know.
i ges is a spiritual matter.

but if i give you a vivid description of what that thing did to me, you will have nightmare.

urheme:


my dear i don't know.
i ges is a spiritual matter.

but if i give you a vivid description of what that thing did to me, you will have nightmare.

please share.

bbfever:



I spoke few words to bennyanne and because we share the same spirit and field of view he understood it in a heartbeat. Your lenghty words all targeted towards grasping a faint understanding of the very words bennyanne understood further goes to buttress my point that your perception is lower and different from mine.

Just like I told bennyanne you now want me to explain this from my perception which you can never have nor can you understand without knowing who I know and what I know so guess what...I do not think I wish to bother with an explanation to you.

If you can know the colour, kinds of furniture and details inside a locked house while standing outside then we can talk. I am inside that locked house and until you can find the key to open the door and come inside then this convo is useless.

Thanks for your request but I humbly decline

Locked house, hahaha

If I was to tell you that I was feeling what you were saying and how right and spiritual you were and how useless and blind this freethinkers are then I am sure you could have seen me as someone inside that locked house.

I have an announcement for you. That secret locked house you are taking about is just one of them. Muslims have a locked room themselves and you can't enter , Buddhists have that locked room too and you can't enter, Hindus reside in their own locked room and you can't enter. In short every spiritual or mystic belief system has that room too and no one outside knows what's in.

In their rooms they are always right. I wonder how one event can have so many truths to it. You and them can keep your subjective truths .

But when you want to ascertain real truth, you will come out of your shells and lay your evidence and facts for scrutiny but till then let's just enjoy our locked cozy rooms where we are always right and our perception is higher than others.

I wonder what you will do when you want to purchase something and you ask to see a sample and the seller gives you the locked room treatment but request your money first. I really wonder

LiberaDeus:



Locked house, hahaha

If I was to tell you that I was feeling what you were saying and how right and spiritual you were and how useless and blind this freethinkers are then I am sure you could have seen me as someone inside that locked house.

I have an announcement for you. That secret locked house you are taking about is just one of them. Muslims have a locked room themselves and you can't enter , Buddhists have that locked room too and you can't enter, Hindus reside in their own locked room and you can't enter. In short every spiritual or mystic belief system has that room too and no one outside knows what's in.

In their rooms they are always right. I wonder how one event can have so many truths to it. You and them can keep your subjective truths .

But when you want to ascertain real truth, you will come out of your shells and lay your evidence and facts for scrutiny but till then let's just enjoy our locked cozy rooms where we are always right and our perception is higher than others.

I wonder what you will do when you want to purchase something and you ask to see a sample and the seller gives you the locked room treatment but request your money first. I really wonder

To each his own knowledge and experience but there Is a key who opens my door and determines the experiences of each entrant due to varied backgrounds and that key is Jesus.

I understand your struggle as u attempt to make sense of it all because I was once like that with a messed up perception as well so your comments are not peculiar to you but it took grace through faith in Jesus to clear away every confusion much like you are still in now and which the OP has also been loosed from.

Debates would not help you. Rather a conscious decision to give God a try would. Blocking him out completely would keep leaving you in this quagmire of confusion but openmindedness in Him is the first step in the right direction.

Oh and by the way you would not have been able to fool me same way LOJ could not when he spoke. I suggest you scroll back to that convo on this same thread.

bbfever:



To each his own knowledge and experience but there Is a key who opens my door and determines the experiences of each entrant due to varied backgrounds and that key is Jesus.

I understand your struggle as u attempt to make sense of it all because I was once like that with a messed up perception as well so your comments are not peculiar to you but it took grace through faith in Jesus to clear away every confusion much like you are still in now and which the OP has also been loosed from.

Debates would not help you. Rather a conscious decision to give God a try would. Blocking him out completely would keep leaving you in this quagmire of confusion but openmindedness in Him is the first step in the right direction.

Nah you weren't once like me, I was once like you
I was a devout spiritual Christian for 5 years. I did everything you did from speaking in tongues to prayer to receiving ministrations to communing with the holy spirit. I evangelized, gave to the body of Christ, studied the word of god, received rhema, praised god and felt the so called power of the spirit .

I had all those doubts since. But I did what you are doing now which is rationalizing and creating a locked room in my mind. I shunned the doubts and even prayed to god to help me with those doubts and confusion. I succeeded for a while with that.

But it got to a point that I accepted the fact that god and the bible must be truth and truth is strong enough to fight for itself . You don't need to run away from arguments if you believe the truth, arguments would melt away when nearing the truth like objects melt when close to our sun. If it is of god then logic must foll9w through.

By the way we believe that the spiritual controls the physical, so even if the spiritual doesn't make sense for a while the effect of the spiritual will eventually affect the physical. That's why I asked for the result of your higher perception.

I opened my mind to all view points and analysed them, it sure took a while but the truth came out. And that truth is that Christianity is purely man made. The doctrines, the scriptures and even the stories. But you might wonder where do the spiritual experiences come from. They are totally psychological, some aspects are understandable like glossolalia[ speaking in tongues] to visions but some are hard to explain. But just because we have some mysterious spiritual experiences doesn't absolve the fact that the so called word of god is a walking contradiction in every aspect. We might not understand deep emotional or spiritual experiences but the Christian world view can't explain it because it is built on fables, mythology and history.

If you talk about a conscious decision to give god a try, the question I would ask is , Which God?

When you ask that question , you will be left with no option than to scrutinize all religious claims, how do you even decide the Christian denomination you should belong to? You must assess it. When you go through a real honest assessment of your beliefs and why you believe what you believe then you will be inching closer to the truth.

So no need to claim you have a higher perception cause if I can't see the effects of the higher perception then it is nothing but empty rhetoric.

LiberaDeus:



Nah you weren't once like me, I was once like you
I was a devout spiritual Christian for 5 years. I did everything you did from speaking in tongues to prayer to receiving ministrations to communing with the holy spirit. I evangelized, gave to the body of Christ, studied the word of god, received rhema, praised god and felt the so called power of the spirit .

I had all those doubts since. But I did what you are doing now which is rationalizing and creating a locked room in my mind. I shunned the doubts and even prayed to god to help me with those doubts and confusion. I succeeded for a while with that.

But it got to a point that I accepted the fact that god and the bible must be truth and truth is strong enough to fight for itself . You don't need to run away from arguments if you believe the truth, arguments would melt away when nearing the truth like objects melt when close to our sun. If it is of god then logic must foll9w through.

By the way we believe that the spiritual controls the physical, so even if the spiritual doesn't make sense for a while the effect of the spiritual will eventually affect the physical. That's why I asked for the result of your higher perception.

I opened my mind to all view points and analysed them, it sure took a while but the truth came out. And that truth is that Christianity is purely man made. The doctrines, the scriptures and even the stories. But you might wonder where do the spiritual experiences come from. They are totally psychological, some aspects are understandable like glossolalia[ speaking in tongues] to visions but some are hard to explain. But just because we have some mysterious spiritual experiences doesn't absolve the fact that the so called word of god is a walking contradiction in every aspect. We might not understand deep emotional or spiritual experiences but the Christian world view can't explain it because it is built on fables, mythology and history.

If you talk about a conscious decision to give god a try, the question I would ask is , Which God?

When you ask that question , you will be left with no option than to scrutinize all religious claims, how do you even decide the Christian denomination you should belong to? You must assess it. When you go through a real honest assessment of your beliefs and why you believe what you believe then you will be inching closer to the truth.

So no need to claim you have a higher perception cause if I can't see the effects of the higher perception then it is nothing but empty rhetoric.

Lol only 5yrs? Then this convo is done. I was like you for almost 17yrs. I really do not think we need to continue this convo for the simple reason that I was like you for almost 17yrs and now I have been in the faith for over 20yrs so on both sides I TRUMP you when it comes to experiences. So thank you for your time.

bbfever:



Lol only 5yrs? Then this convo is done. I was like you for almost 17yrs. I really do not think we need to continue this convo for the simple reason that I was like you for almost 17yrs and now I have been in the faith for over 20yrs so on both sides I TRUMP you when it comes to experiences. So thank you for your time.

Guy I said 5 years cause that's when I decided to be devout. I was born into a Christian home and spent the first 20 years of my life being Christian.

And I am 100% sure that you were never an agnostic or atheist. But you can claim all you want. In short, you were like me for 40yrs and I was like you for 2 yrs , does it matter?
What matters is the strength of your reasons and how verifiable they are. I don't understand why you will read my response and the only point you can pick out is how long I was devout . I posted other points but you chose to ignore them because they didn't suit your preferred conclusion which is " I am right and I am sure about it and you are wrong" .

That is the conclusion of every Christian fundamentalist who uses the locked room scenario to protect his beliefs. In reality that locked room is blind faith and with such wilful stubbornness and ignorance then no one can be wrong.

I am sure that 1 plus 1 is equal to 4. Don't ask me how. The fact you are asking shows that you are not on my level of perception. I can see things that you can't see and your perception will never allow you see it until you allow my god to speak to you but first accept everything my god says including the fact that 1+ 1 = 4. Accept it because without faith you can't please my god.

Thank you too for your time

LiberaDeus:


Guy I said 5 years cause that's when I decided to be devout. I was born into a Christian home and spent the first 20 years of my life being Christian.

And I am 100% sure that you were never an agnostic or atheist. But you can claim all you want. In short, you were like me for 40yrs and I was like you for 2 yrs , does it matter?
What matters is the strength of your reasons and how verifiable they are. I don't understand why you will read my response and the only point you can pick out is how long I was devout . I posted other points but you chose to ignore them because they didn't suit your preferred conclusion which is " I am right and I am sure about it and you are wrong" .

That is the conclusion of every Christian fundamentalist who uses the locked room scenario to protect his beliefs. In reality that locked room is blind faith and with such wilful stubbornness and ignorance then no one can be wrong.

I am sure that 1 plus 1 is equal to 4. Don't ask me how. The fact you are asking shows that you are not on my level of perception. I can see things that you can't see and your perception will never allow you see it until you allow my god to speak to you but first accept everything my god says including the fact that 1+ 1 = 4. Accept it because without faith you can't please my god.

Thank you too for your time

Are you quite finished? if you are then let us focus on this thread pls. Thank you.

bbfever:



Lol only 5yrs? Then this convo is done. I was like you for almost 17yrs. I really do not think we need to continue this convo for the simple reason that I was like you for almost 17yrs and now I have been in the faith for over 20yrs so on both sides I TRUMP you when it comes to experiences. So thank you for your time.

You remind me of Apostle Paul. More grace Sir!



"But many who are first will be last and many who are last will be first"

May we not be the first that turns out to be the last. And may we also not be the last waiting to be the first, only to find out its too late.

bennyann:


You remind me of Apostle Paul. More grace Sir!



"But many who are first will be last and many who are last will be first"

May we not be the first that turns out to be the last. And may we also not be the last waiting to be the first, only to find out its too late.

Amen and Amen!

When you taste of the goodness of the Lord you rejoice but when you experience the persecutions that come with it and yet rejoice in them then you are indeed more than conqueror.

The experience has been bittersweet but we know it would only be for a while and in all these situations He always gives us peace beyond the understanding of men.

I can never be compared to Paul for I am yet to experience a bit of what he did but I pray for my own experiences and that I overcome in all. God bless you exceedingly.

THIS story is getting even more dramatic

naijadeyhia:


Heavenly Father I declare and decree that you will touch this one that their eyes will be opened to the Rationale behind truth...the motivation behind life and the reality of who you are. In Jesus name Amen.

In dah mighty name of Jesus!

Muafrika2:
THIS story is getting even more dramatic

Very dramatic to say the least.
The guy is a real drama king.

urheme:


easy lo....
the events are just so much.....i should take my time if not you won't get the full story

Bro, God really blasted you well oooooo!

I know about that pastor. he is one of my spiritual fathers, though never met him. he so powerful. there are many testimonies like yours around him.

I have told people this: debates and arguments does not change an atheist to a believer of Christ. what does that is "PERSONAL EXPERIENCE".

I have had this experiences that's why I am so sure that it doesn't end in the physical. it is spiritual.

Anas09:

Very dramatic to say the least.
The guy is a real drama king.

At least he knows how to write so interestingly. but god really dealt with him.

promise10:

At least he knows how to write so interestingly. but god really dealt with him.

No be small tin o. Demons full the guy body.
Demons full their body for here.

urheme:
So i'm in the all night chilling with God....waiting desperately for the minister to mount the pulpit....because i know something will happen....what ever is encountering or accessing me must come today.

worship started....awesome .....prayers started....something begin to happen to people....a lot of thing... i never knew this is the kind of things that happens in church......

then i found my self before the alter with other persons.....perhaps i walk there on my own...not so sure i was in my right self when i did but i was there now.........Eneche is not far from where i was standing but i was not just my self..... so heated prayers was on and i could not hear anything....there was an arrest of my entire system and i could not move...

then fever ...cold...shivering ...... my heart began to beat heavily out of point....never knew a heart could beat like that and the person will still be alive.

My heart began to take a walk from the left side of my ribs to the other side.....i can feel it.....squeezing it self in between organs at the other side of my ribs.....God......the pains was just unbearable and the bad part was that i could not move .......felt like i was physically arrested in that alter....no body touched me and nobody prayed for me....i was just on my own.

then the cold ceased and fever too.... i felt unreasonably normal....but the pain in my heart remained.

so i found my feet again..... released.... and i was able to walk out of that alter.

Service ended at 5:am in the morning... and i went home with the consciousness that my heart is at the right side of my ribs and the pains was very bad.


will see you guys later...love you all

Hahahahahahahaha The Holy Spirit ready for you.
Na one by one, another person turn here go.come.

Anas09:

Very dramatic to say the least.
The guy is a real drama king.

We are all amazed.

One thing I know is,
Whoever encounters God personally always has this conviction of things beyond human explanation.

There are some feelings you have which have no words to explain them because they're borne out of supernatural interactions.

Tho I've said this,
I've still not well-explained what they really are like.

Words of human literacy always fail me

Anas09:

Hahahahahahahaha The Holy Spirit ready for you.
Na one by one, another person turn here go.come.

Amenooo

LiberaDeus:



Nah you weren't once like me, I was once like you
I was a devout spiritual Christian for 5 years. I did everything you did from speaking in tongues to prayer to receiving ministrations to communing with the holy spirit. I evangelized, gave to the body of Christ, studied the word of god, received rhema, praised god and felt the so called power of the spirit .

I had all those doubts since. But I did what you are doing now which is rationalizing and creating a locked room in my mind. I shunned the doubts and even prayed to god to help me with those doubts and confusion. I succeeded for a while with that.

But it got to a point that I accepted the fact that god and the bible must be truth and truth is strong enough to fight for itself . You don't need to run away from arguments if you believe the truth, arguments would melt away when nearing the truth like objects melt when close to our sun. If it is of god then logic must foll9w through.

By the way we believe that the spiritual controls the physical, so even if the spiritual doesn't make sense for a while the effect of the spiritual will eventually affect the physical. That's why I asked for the result of your higher perception.

I opened my mind to all view points and analysed them, it sure took a while but the truth came out. And that truth is that Christianity is purely man made. The doctrines, the scriptures and even the stories. But you might wonder where do the spiritual experiences come from. They are totally psychological, some aspects are understandable like glossolalia[ speaking in tongues] to visions but some are hard to explain. But just because we have some mysterious spiritual experiences doesn't absolve the fact that the so called word of god is a walking contradiction in every aspect. We might not understand deep emotional or spiritual experiences but the Christian world view can't explain it because it is built on fables, mythology and history.

If you talk about a conscious decision to give god a try, the question I would ask is , Which God?

When you ask that question , you will be left with no option than to scrutinize all religious claims, how do you even decide the Christian denomination you should belong to? You must assess it. When you go through a real honest assessment of your beliefs and why you believe what you believe then you will be inching closer to the truth.

So no need to claim you have a higher perception cause if I can't see the effects of the higher perception then it is nothing but empty rhetoric.

You mean you once communed with the Holy Spirit but you cast Aspertion at Him?

Lets see, this Five Years you spent communing with the Holy Spirit, WHAT WAS YOUR TESRIMONY OF CONVERSION? That specific encounter that made you turn away from the world and faced Christ.
What was it?

bbfever:



Lol only 5yrs? Then this convo is done. I was like you for almost 17yrs. I really do not think we need to continue this convo for the simple reason that I was like you for almost 17yrs and now I have been in the faith for over 20yrs so on both sides I TRUMP you when it comes to experiences. So thank you for your time.

I just feel like dancing right now.

Anas09:

You mean you once communed with the Holy Spirit but you cast Aspertion at Him?

Lets see, this Five Years you spent communing with the Holy Spirit, WHAT WAS YOUR TESRIMONY OF CONVERSION? That specific encounter that made you turn away from the world and faced Christ.
What was it?

Yea I communed with him and cast aspersions on him. Is that bad? Am sure you had an imaginary friend when you were young.

Having a relationship with someone in your mind doesn't necessarily mean the person is real. The relationship and the emotional bind formed are real but the person must not be real. If you understand how the brain works you won't find that puzzling.

Am not gonna tell you my conversion experience because you will use the same old Christian argument that says I never was really converted and i never had a true relationship with him. I don't have time to run round in circles with you.

The only thing I have to tell you is that the only reason why one would never question the spiritual relationship he is in with a divine being is because of fear of offending the being. That cycle of fear will always keep one from knowing the truth.