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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Anybaba: 2:17am On Nov 17, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: Nigerians associated with music and theater is disproportionately high ? Is that why your people were protesting in Kenya? It is this abysmal display of irrationality that has been the hallmark of submissions from your kind. And probably you have no idea of the contribution of entertainment to America's GDP and even Nigeria's. And you have no idea of cultural projection in International diplomacy. You talk in a bid to shame Nigeria but you got no idea how just puerile your infantile talk is. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 2:22am On Nov 17, 2016 |
highheybee:Dude.English!!! A.You have described a Banana republic. You are no Lion. Lions do not go into recessions(Do you know Kenya has never gone into a recession?? We have had snail growth, like in the 90s during the SAPs and Moi's rule but a situation where our economy is contracting? Never!!Not even after the violence of 2007 did we go into a recession, we just had a severe drop in growth rate (1.9%)> Last I heard Nigerians pay rent yearly because your monthly salaries are not guaranteed.And this was before the strikes SMH.I am glad I was not born there. In Kenya, my money is guaranteed to be in my account every end month without fail!! And Dude,Most rich Chinese run away from China as soon as they are able to and move to Australia,Canada,Singapore ,Countires with much smaller GDPs but with a more superior quality of life so really??Nigeria has nothing to brag about. The fact that you guys face fuel shortages and you are an oil producer while Kenya has never faced the types of shortages Nigeria faces(The last fuel shortage in Kenya was 7 years ago and affected Western Kenya and it was not due to lack of fuel but due to pipeline failure.Coastal Kenya has never had a fuel shortage in its history)tells me how dysfunctional your country is!! 5 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by KenyaMan111: 2:35am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Anybaba: Lighten up my Nigerian counterpart, no need to get vicious, I realize how tempting it is when speaking to Kenyan of great intellect, but it'll solve nothing in the end. I greatly admire the musical contribution that Nigerians and African-Americans have given us, but if your sole objective is to musically conquer other countries, then you'll forever be just a court jester for the powers. However, I am not judging, maybe you can make a livelihood out of dancing for us Kenyans when we fully modernize Kenya (: 6 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Anybaba: 3:12am On Nov 17, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: Indeed you are certainly a Kenyan intellect ! And you have to realise the dissonance and locality of such intellect . Interestingly it is your people that are dancing to our music and paying in cash. It your people that are patronising nollywood content and paying in cash. The implication is we create the intellectual content and you buy and buy and buy. Such for Kenyan intellect. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Godstraight(m): 6:09am On Nov 17, 2016 |
GERALD710:I hahaha who said Ibadan wasn't a slum |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Godstraight(m): 6:23am On Nov 17, 2016 |
KenyaMan111:u sound naive,talking about anti Kenyan in Nigeria?many Nigerians don't really know much about Kenya, how can they be anti-an eastern african,people are much popular with our fellow west African,Nigeria didn't say anything on this report it was done by an international organization but you said it was a lie because according to you Nigeria has a poverty rate of 70% ,I wanted you to visit and see the people were saying. 70% are poor,I seriously don't have time for all this I gave u just two things to do 1,compare Kenya to our different southern regions which a similar population to ur country. 2.analytize poverty rates in Nigeria?even gave u a link ,but u said it was a lie that 70%. percents,for now I simply leave you to your delusions a |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ritababe(f): 6:49am On Nov 17, 2016 |
GERALD710: bonny have 24 hours power supply since time immemorial,. and about the port we are doing it ourselves not some white company like yours. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by highheybee: 7:17am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Yeah yeah...you have light 24/7,your salaries are guaranteed...you are better in that shey...buh a country like Kenya doesn't come close to know how it is when you rule over 180m people,no country in Africa is as half as big as Nigeria...so you really no what's happening here...you saying rich people will flee to Singapore or where...go ask Samsung,disney how hard they are fighting to keep their grounds in China.... Really don't know what to tell you guys Cox...what's Kenya self...go read your economy stats at wikipedia Na...you are no Match...tell us what you have against Nigeria except those light and una salaries...kinda tell me another thing...if u can read through the chats from the beginning,ita all about nigerian looking at Kenya wif contempt Cox what is Kenya...fact is that if you are good enough kenyattas you really need not to put a fight buh you are providing stuffs from your imagination jez to prove you are better than Nigeria...u need not to do that... Awaiting another response...Cox what I figured out is Nigerians jez replying you...you keep bringing it to console your country that you re better...I really do pity y'all Cox all over the world where I do see ya is Marathon at Olympic are your representees are wack...tell us where you dey for the world as a whole...you are dispensable while Nigeria is not |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by allcomage: 8:00am On Nov 17, 2016 |
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ME AS A NIGERIAN TO DELIVER MY opinion HAVING FOLLOWED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING .JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION .I HAVE BEEN TO KENYA TWICE AND I HAVE BEEN YEARNING TO GO AGAIN,I WISH I COULD SPONSOR 10 NAIRALANDERS TO KENYA FOR A TOUR AND THEN COMPARE THE TWO COUNTRIES. .I WAS BORN AND HAVE BEEN LIVING IN NIGERIA DECADES ,SO MY SCORE HAVING CONSIDERED everything BETWEEN THE TWO IS...... kenya - 70% Nigeria - 45% 10 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 8:50am On Nov 17, 2016 |
MDG 1: Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger MDG 2: Achieve universal primary education MDG 3: Promote gender equality and empower women MDG 4: Reduce child mortality MDG 5: Improve maternal health MDG 6: Combat HIV and AIDS, malaria and other diseases MDG 7: Ensure environmental sustainability MDG 8: Develop a global partnership for Development. MDG is an ambitious program, good thing its time line is 1000 years. The main obstacle to MDG is actually the current political structure. Nigeria is only as Federal as Federal Express. Although we implemented devolution after independence, the powers that be seem reluctant to allow all 36 states of the Fed have their own constitutions, if each state gets its own constitution, they don't have to wait on the Federal govt allocation, they can invest, mine their resources and make the country even bigger. Nigeria is a lot more complex than you think. Also, Nigerians pay rent yearly because we practise frugal economics, nobody likes it when a landlord or caretaker starts banging on your door every 4 weeks, only makes sense to pay rent annually, I believe advanced countries also practice this. And the Nigerians who visit Kenya and come back to start saying Kenya is better are what you would call suffer head in Nigeria. If I was born and raised somewhere in Ikoyi's upper class areas and I went to stay in Kenya for a month, I thik I'd find Nigeria much better. Nigeria's middle class would be considered upper class in Kenya, yes I said it again. Hate it or love it, its the just the truth. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 8:54am On Nov 17, 2016 |
And the workers who complain about not being paid nko? Guy you like to showcase the good parts and comfortably leave the bad parts out. So darn ignorant. GERALD710: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 9:10am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Henrydone:In which university did u attain your education? Were they approving u guys obtaining your info from Wikipedia in your project reports? Wikipedia is just an information blog (and not a very reliable one at that), whose details are culled from the the other websites like the ones I have provided u. Those are not crackpot websites I have attached there. If u are disputing them, provide us your own reliable ones, and show us what they say. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 9:26am On Nov 17, 2016 |
highheybee:Nigeria is not too big and complicated to govern effectively. What u Nigerians need to admit is that your country wasnt blessed with good leaders who could steer that country to high economic and development limits. Almost all of them were only interested in looting the country, they did not bother to deliver good social services to the people. And why did they need to care? They did not gain power thru popular vote, but thru the barrel of the gun. And they were very certain that they were not going to stay for long before they themselves were dislodged from power or even killed. So, they had to steal as much as possible. Nigeria is not a very big country, do not lie to yourselves thus. How is the US doing it. How about Russia, China, Indonesia.........these terribly huge societies, how are they getting it right, but not even the tiny countries of Africa, even with a relatively small population of just 24m. Watch Angola and Sudan (north)! They are not very progressed countries, despite their massive wealth. Therefore, brethren, the size of your population shouldnt be an excuse for the dysfunction in the Nigerian society and economy. It narrows down instead to your past history of poor leadership. U havent quite recovered from that, but slowly, u are getting out of the mess. It cannot happen overnight. WE Kenyans here are not in anyway suggesting that ours is a perfect country. We too are suffering from pretty much similar problems as Nigeria. Corruption, tribalism, insecurity, widespread poverty.. etc Too many economists have suggested that were it not for the rampant corruption, tribalism and insecurity, ours would have indeed been one of the most developed countries in Africa.....on a per with S.Korea or Malasia. By now, we should have had an economy with a GDP well over $150bn. But see, we also messed up big time. Africa is such a mess! 7 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 9:42am On Nov 17, 2016 |
chebeoc:Do not lie.......Nigeria is generating merely 3600MW of electricity against the demand of about 12,000MW. Kenya generates 2400MW. Even if it is true that u generate 5000 as u claim, for a populatio nearly 5times the population of Kenya....that is very small. After the NDA did this, this happened... Nigeria: Power Supply Drops to 2,500MW After Militant Attacks 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 9:51am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Godgay:If whoever taught u economics was not high on dope, then by now u would have known that the GDP and the GDP per capita is not a very very precise way to determine the health of a country's economy and its society. Most economists and the other social scietists have strongly rejected that method. That is why other methods have been adopted, such as the Human Development Index and poverty rates. Now compare both Kenya and Nigeria standing on those aspects and tell me. FYI, Kenya has much higher literacy rates than Nigeria. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 9:57am On Nov 17, 2016 |
naijalander:What is the average net worth of these Nigerian middleclass? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 10:01am On Nov 17, 2016 |
ritababe:Bonny power is supplied by the foreign owned organizations, not the by the govt. And our ports, we are building them thru the loans that we borrowed from these countries and will be obliged to pay in the future. That shows that indeed our economy is quite healthy, if these foreign banks can agree to lend us the money, it shows that they regard us as creditworthy. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Godstraight(m): 10:01am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Hbuyosh:yes because there are 180 million people in Nigeria and 34m in Kenya compare individual regions in Nigeria especially the southern one's with a similar Kenya population I am tired of making this point don't qoute me again to this thread as if I don't have things to do. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 10:04am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Godgay:I have told u and I repeat, GDP and the GDP per capita is not a very credible method to determine the living standards of the people. If u hate that fact that much, u can go swallow a razor blade for all I care. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ritababe(f): 10:14am On Nov 17, 2016 |
Hbuyosh: supplied by foreign company through Nigeria oil. and borrowed from foreign company what's the difference? fact they are both in our country, so stop saying no 24 hours light anywhere in naija okay. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 10:44am On Nov 17, 2016 |
ritababe:And who owns the Nigerian oil? U do not own a large portion of that oil, just a portion of the profits. WE all know the people behind the the whole process of exploration, infrastructure installation, dredging, transportation, marketing.... Yet u guys are very good at claiming that foreigners own other countries! 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 10:56am On Nov 17, 2016 |
naijalander: WHo are the middle class? Doctors, nurses, teachers, lawyers, accountants, economists, military officers, accountants, economists, urban planners, university professors, architects, stockbrokers, psychologists, scientists, engineers, optometrists, pharmacists, high-level civil servants etc. Kenya vs Nigeria salaries Salaries of Professionals in Kenya Salaries In Nigeria [statistics] NB ksh1=Naira3.5 Now tell me.........Nigeria's middle class would be considered upper class in Kenya, really? 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by KwachImani(f): 10:58am On Nov 17, 2016 |
ritababe: Why didnt you people build your own refineries and seaports after 50 plus years of OIL WEALTH/MONEY? It means you lack intelligence or are just an inferior species. And you mean your capital city for all those years with lots and lots of OIL MONEY (50 years with high oil prices) didn't have 24 hours stale and reliable electricity to begin with?.......HAHAHAH!. You people should be ashamed of yourselves, save yourselves the embarrassment and quit arguing here. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 11:20am On Nov 17, 2016 |
First of all, you cannot rely on these stats for your argument. Not everyone in those professions receive that exact amount, earnings vary with regards to experience and other factors. Second, my premise is based on the fact that Nigeria's elite DO NOT live in Kenya the way South Sudanese, Somali upper class do. Nairobi is not appealing to their taste but it does appeal to the taste of our middle class who happen to be able to afford apartments in South B, Dunholm, Buru-buru and South C to say the least. Hbuyosh: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 11:20am On Nov 17, 2016 |
KwachImani:Incidentally, Kenya is ma jor exporter of petroleum products in the entire easten and cntral Africa, yet we do not produce oil. We instead buy the crude oil from the S. Arabia, refine it here then export the stuff to the other countries! 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 11:30am On Nov 17, 2016 |
naijalander:I know that! People in those professions earn more or less than the figures quoted there, due to varying factors. Then again, statistics dont have to be absolutely precise in order to present the fact on the ground. Thus the term "average" has been used. Second, my premise is based on the fact that Nigeria's elite DO NOT live in Kenya the way South Sudanese, Somali upper class do. Nairobi is not appealing to their taste but it does appeal to the taste of our middle class who happen to be able to afford apartments in South B, Dunholm, Buru-buru and South C to say the least.Are not there Nigerians in Runda, Lavington, Kileleshwa etc? Dont lie, u guys love our country, and u yourself have admitted that. And by the way, those suburbs u have mentioned above are waay more swanky than anything Lagos has to offer. FYI Kenya, together with SA leads the coninent in real estate sector. Go figure! 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 12:04pm On Nov 17, 2016 |
ok seriously hate much? Nigeria has refineries and sea ports. What we lack is good leadership y'all just haters. KwachImani: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ritababe(f): 12:07pm On Nov 17, 2016 |
KwachImani: embarrassment for what? my dear, there is nothing to be ashamed about, I just gave u fact and all you could say 50 YEARS PLUS AND LACK OF INTELLIGENCE,. that means you don't have basic fact to argue with me, when u have facts quote me am here. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ritababe(f): 12:10pm On Nov 17, 2016 |
Hbuyosh: when you say you guys please be specific, not everybody have same belief, whether white owns it or not the fact is that the project is here in Nigeria and it will benefit us not them, quote me when you have facts. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 12:11pm On Nov 17, 2016 |
keep telling yourself these lies. I'm from Nigeria's lower middle class. I can afford travel to Kenya, SA and even Dubai like most lower middle class Nigerians. I stay at Valley Arcade Lavington whenever am in Nairobi so what exactly are you on about? The areas mentioned in Nairobi are very well affordable for the average frugal Nigerian. Hbuyosh: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 12:39pm On Nov 17, 2016 |
naijalander:Rafiki, The MDGs were a pact signed in 1990 by 189.countries. They are TIME BOUND. I hope you have eaten book wella , and heard of SMART analysis. Never in the history of planning have i ever heard of development plans for basic indicators lasting 1000 years. Never. Nations set short, medium and long term plans in 5,10 or15 , and 25+ years time frames. The time frame for the MDGs was 2015. All in all if i remember my development goals well, there were 8 goals, 21 targets and 60 indicators to be met. That, rafiki, is a loooooong list. Worthy of a robust discussion, but only between the right personnel. And now my question : How has Nigeria performed in meeting the MDGs? PS: Don't answer if you don't know, please. here's all the MDGs in detail( https://www.unicef.org/statistics/index_24304.html ) 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 12:44pm On Nov 17, 2016 |
naijalander:Many well to do kenyans also own homes and other properties in said places and elsewhere. I have no relations or friends in Kenya who frequent nigeria to enjoy its apparently better life. isn't that strange? 2 Likes |
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