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Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by waternogetenemy: 10:36pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: How will a GEJ and Rotimi Amaechi live together in NigerDelta Republic, to say the least? Honestly, if i had the power, i will disintegrate Nigeria today, just to test ur theory. It really will be a pleasure watching u guys.(ijaw, bini ,ishan, urhobo, isoko, itsekiri, ilaje(yoruba), apoi, etc) 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by MrAnalyst: 10:36pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
ndoeyopbennet: Let me for the sake of everything serene answer this questions the best I can. I normally would not bother. In Biafra... 1) The issue of subjugation even in Nigeria will die a natural death if the regions or even states become autonomous. In Biafra we run administrative provinces. e.g Umuahia province,Ogoja province,Calabar province etc Each province is run solely and independently from other provinces and the central government. Each province has its laws and runs it's own economy. If Ogoja and Ikot Ekpene has their respective provinces where will the subjugation come from? 2) It Is wrong to ask "Will the Igbo allow their capital be sited outside Igboland?" It shows little understanding of the Biafra we're working towards achieving. Biafra will be a nation for ALL Biafrans. In Biafra there won't be this insensitivity we have in Nigeria now. Any area can be the capital. With the way IPoB go about their business I believe the capital won't even be in an Igbo area. It's only sensible and considerate to site the capital outside Igboland. 3) On the issue of annexation,forget any declaration made by Delta state government. That same declaration can even come from Abia state government even if there's massive Biafran support there. Do you honestly think they(the state government) would come out to say "We're proud Biafrans" that's quite stupid. IPoB is fighting for a Biafra with Niger Delta in it's map because Nnamdi Kanu shaped IPoB in that way from the word Go. Remember prior to his arrest he was quite popular in the SS. It's not a coincidence there were protests after his arrest even in Uyo and demands by ND militants for his release. The current IPoB leadership is simply following his orders. 4) Igbo can't be the official language. Common sense without bias can tell anyone that. It'll probably be English. Nobody will be fighting for position in Biafra like in Nigeria today because everybody in his/her province. Little chance of marginalization so no basis for such fears. Another point is that holding any position in Biafra will be based on strictly meritocracy and not "who you know" like Nigeria. 5) Concerning this,most ND are just very sheepish in not trusting the Igbo. That's just divide and rule tactics from the government.The Igbo have more reason to be wary of the Niger Deltans who stabbed them in the back once. It's very irritating when a Niger deltan is talking about distrust towards the Igbo. Taking post-independence/civil war events into consideration who should distrust who really? Forget that anyway. 6) If Nigeria was being ruled properly and things were in place do you think anyone would bother who was leading? In Biafra where we have a weak central government. No one will be too interested in ruling Biafra. Based on meritocracy Donald Duke stands a good chance due to his track record. 7) Current leaders in the east will not rule anybody. It's impossible. Most will even abscond. Biafra will be a new project...a breath of fresh air. 8.) Biafra can't be utopia but together we can. Each province handles it's resources with a quota to the central government. Any more confusion on this? 9) Settled 10) In the case of a UN supervised referendum the SS and SE will leave this cesspool of a nation. Believe it. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by mathy001: 10:37pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
ceaz4r: Very sensible guy here. I like people that say things as they are. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:38pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: Awo ha ndi ukwe...okpo ha ndi azu... goodnight!!! 1 Like |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Allsouls: 10:39pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
If Niger delta won't be part of Biafra no problem, as far as they understand that Hausa fulani or Yoruba's don't like them but only after their oil. But I hope op has not forgotten that Igbo's are part of nigerdelter. Nigerdeltas of ijaw and co are more Biafra than Igbo's but if our brothers don't want to be with us no problem, all our prays will be for them to progress as Igbo's pray for their loved ones whom the settled from apprentice to become a real man. But some tribes in Nigeria don't want to be real man they still want to be hiding under some body or group of people instead of taken their responsibility as a man. We the easterner are ready for Biafra, if our brothers say they don't want we will happily & wish them well in their new nation but not to allow them to be killed by the jihadist and blood sucking demons in the name of Nigeria. Nigeria has expired and lugard experiment has failed. On Biafra we stand no going back. If buhari and co don't like it he should go and hug 330 kva live line. #All hail Biafra. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by mathy001: 10:40pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
Whynotthetruth: The statistics is true. I dont know about Delta Igbos and Ijaws but Itsekiris and Urhobo-Isokos do not subscribe to Biafra and may never do. 1 Like |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by mathy001: 10:41pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
Allsouls: Yes yes yawwwww! I like your writeup. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Ngozi123(f): 10:42pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: They must be using the old map. There's so many different maps of Biafra that it's difficult to determine the legitimacy of any of them. There are many Igbos like me who believe that we should have an Igbo-only country, without any minorities. I would even say that their number is greater than those who would have the Urhobos/Isokos in their newly formed country. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by mathy001: 10:44pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
Ngozi123: I even agree with you. Ethnicity is our problem in Nigeria. It is better if Igbos rule themselves, Urhobo rule themselves, Efiks rule themselves, etc. It is really better for everyone like that. However, Igboid groups should be given the opportunity to join Biafra. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:45pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: I don't do hearsay bro...when we get to that bridge Stop plucking data from air, it doesn't work that way... thanks 3 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by mathy001: 10:47pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
Whynotthetruth: e go ova una when the bridge set na. We de watch. See them. U think say Urhobo man go follow una? I pray o. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:48pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: ok...ka chi foo 1 Like |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by waternogetenemy: 10:48pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
tonyebarcanista is a fantasist. He has been getting hard on that igbos will leave behind their kinsmen and territory. hahahahahahaha! we know all our people, even if we want to call them osu and all sought of names, we know everyone of them, wen the time comes. Once Nigeria disintegrate, if ijaw dont fall in line and form a country that is viable with a written constitution, with resource control,power sharing, then ijaws will have demselves to blame over wat happens next. do not try to be too smart man(over smart dey kill person), get with the programme, share ur concern and negotiate a solution before joining any country. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Ngozi123(f): 10:49pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: I agree. We won't force anyone. When have you ever heard of Igbo people 'forcing' their culture on other groups? If anything, I believe that we're too accepting of other cultures; some Igbos are happy to embrace a foreign culture at the expense of their own. We've never really been a domineering group, despite the stereotypes about us- we just want to live our lives without fear of persecution. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by pazienza(m): 11:01pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: You are not wanted. You are the madness we seek to do away with. Stop seeking for cheap attention and deal with it. 19 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by waternogetenemy: 11:09pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: The problem of Nigeria is not ethnicity but greed. I, an igbo man happily campaigned for Atiku(hausafulani), since last week. I similarly campaigned for GEJ an Ijaw man. I dont have a problem with being a Nigeria but i have a problem with a grandmother being beaten to death in kano and then beheaded in front of her own shop/husband, over religious differences and then the government instruct the court to release the culprits. I have a problem, wen communities live in abject poverty whilst a few men with political influence from the north claim ownership of communities oil wealth. i have a problem with miscarriage of justice, unaccountability, marginalisation and discrimination. I have a problem wen people get together for the soul purpose of hunting my people down like bushmeat becos of the language they speak. These are the reasons behind calls for Biafra and not ethnicity. We cannot continue to live like this. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by playboy99(m): 11:17pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
waternogetenemy:yeah nice one but you would still come for bizness in nigeria n all d tins you running away from can still happen so what the point,for me having biafra means you dont want anytin to do with d hausas or yorubas so i dont see y you still need to do business or have properties in nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Allsouls: 11:18pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
mathy001: Yes We don't force people and cant force people, group or clan even when Portuguese came they met us in clans and we live peacefully until the demon called British came and turn every thing upsidedown. It pains that some people will clam to have gold, oil, farmland, cattle, develop city, educated etc but can take the bull by the horn and be responsible for their children's future but chose to hide under useless name & contraption called Nigeria to the detriment of other and their poor population. Its just like during examination you claim to be brilliant to know maths, physics, biology etc and still can't write without your neighbour ie peeping from your neighbours sheet. if your brilliant you should be able to wright your exam even in a hall where only you they. We have determine to be alone and nothing on earth can change that, not the likes of buhari, British or Obama can stop us unless God. Biafra must be, haters should go and die in oshomole word. 12 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by waternogetenemy: 11:21pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
playboy99: Nooooo, Not at all, Nigeria do business in Ghana and UK, USA, Dubai etc. We will just have separate country and system. Hausa can now beat themselves to death and behead each other as they deem fit. Yoruba can get together and share the national budget in parliament, whilst landing each other with resounding slaps and blows. We igbos want to go and build industry and machines, feed and manage people. 16 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by playboy99(m): 11:22pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
Whynotthetruth:meaning u still want to do bizness and have properties among dose you hate or hate u,n kill u for no reason pls what d logic it means u would still get the same treatment even wen u a nigerian citizen,or deres a way out? |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by playboy99(m): 11:29pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
waternogetenemy:this is a diff ball game you brokeout of a country due to the way u are being treated den still wanna have properties and do business dere like noting happened is it posible?n one of your reasons is that they kill your people ,wat would now touch d heart of d hausas to stop is it coz u hav ur own country now or what exactly? 1 Like |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by ak47mann(m): 11:54pm On Nov 20, 2016 |
Then if you killed a citizen from another country unlawfully do u think the country will not ask you to provide the killers?if you don't then you have breached the rules under UN human rights law and your country will face sanctions or war But under one Nigeria it will be swept under the carpet 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Allsouls: 12:05am On Nov 21, 2016 |
waternogetenemy: When mother and father fight and in the night they want to Bleep or have sex will they call you? Brothers can misunderstood them self but not every day, weeks, months or year they will fight and kill people like northerners since 1958 till date. Our youths are tired if no body want to talk i will talk. HAUSA FULANI & YORUBAS be on your one Nigeria and leave Biafrans alone. Biafra is our culture our religion and our way of life. #All hail Biafra #freeNnamdikanu #FreeBiafra. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Victorvexz(m): 12:18am On Nov 21, 2016 |
Lol, after u guys have finished with ur delusions on nairaland, then please come back to real life, because nairaland is not reality, everything u say here does not count in real life. Keep deceiving urselfs 2 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by chiefobdk(m): 12:30am On Nov 21, 2016 |
ndoeyopbennet: afonja wetin concern u wit biafra matter 1 Like |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by annayawchee: 12:54am On Nov 21, 2016 |
Victorvexz:Why is biafran issue giving U automatic erection? 6 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by gidgiddy: 12:54am On Nov 21, 2016 |
ndoeyopbennet: So in other words, it makes more sense to think " Igbos might dominate me in Biafra so it is better for me to stay in Nigeria and let Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani dominate me". Laughable. Igbos have no historical record of invading anyones land to subjugate them. If a person or people are more concerned about Igbo domination them than they are about Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani domination, they are stupid. 2. Where will the capital be located? If we are to follow the notion of central location, the capital of Biafra won't be Enugu but around Umuahia-Ikot Ekpene axis. Will Igbos allow their capital to be sited in a non-Igbo location? This is a very salient issue because you don't expect the riverine Niger Deltan in Twon-Brass, for instance, to journey all the way to Enugu to see their President. It has to be a location where ALL BIAFRANS can access easily. Enugu won't go. As an Igbo man and Biafra supporter, I have always been of the view that the capital of Biafra should be outside Igbo land. I should however point out that the capital of Biafra might not be as important as some might think because Biafra will be run as a true federation, maybe even a confederation. So the capital might not be as important as people think. Washington is Americas capital but is no where as important as major cities such as New York, Los Angeles or even Houston. It is just the seat of Government 3. The issue of annexation comes to play. For so long, e-Biafrans have annexed Niger Delta as part of the proposed nation. The map below shows us what Biafrans have drawn to constitute the new nation: The map above is just a proposal. Anyone is allowed to make a proposal. Eventually, a referendum will allow all the ethinic nationalities on the map to vote to remain in Nigeria or go with Biafra. Biafra has never been a "by force" thing like Nigeria. 4. What languages will be made the official languages of the new nation? I have seen several posts by e-Biafrans where Igbo was proposed as the official language of the new republic. What then will happen to other languages such as Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Efik, Ibibio, Oron, Ogoni, Eleme, Okrika, Kalabari, Bini, Esan, etc? Will they die off because of Igbo? Certainly NOT! If English is made the official language, the Igbo majority factor will kick in. If your name isn't Chukwuemeka or Oliseh, Amarachi or Nneka, etc, you won't get any appointment nor shall you be recognised. These are things we can't deny. We are very ethnocentric in Africa. English is an international language, it can no longer be replaced as the official language due to our colonial heritage. Igbo cannot be used as an official language because it is a very difficult language to learn, it is even harder to read. Anyone who speaks Igbo like me knows how had it is to read and write. But give the same person English and they will gallop away. Even if Biafra was just Igbo territory, Igbo could never be the official language. 5. What and what have Igbo nation done for Niger Deltans to gain their trust? Every day I see Igbo youths making enemies where there were none. They constantly use the agency of the internet to sprout controversy, hurl insults at dissenters and make unfounded claims. There is this general air of mistrust for Igbos by some Niger Deltans, particularly by Urhobo-Isoko and Bini people. What have Igbos done to checkmate this? Has any Igbo leader or group extended the hand of friendship to the Niger Deltans. Mistrust cannot be wished away. Most Niger Deltans would rather follow Hausas as slaves than follow Igbos as kings. This is the real reality and truthfully, Igbos caused this. It should be noted that 'Niger-Delta' is just a geographical political zone, it is not a people. While Igbo is a tribe, Niger Delta is not, neither is South-South. Another thing to note is that the area known as Edo state is not part of the Biafran proposal except the Igbo speaking 12 villages that make up the Igbanke community. It is very important also to note that most Biafran supporters would rather if Biafra to came by way of referendum or plebicite. If any ethnic group feels they are better off in Nigeria, they should feel free to vote along those lines and their wishes will be respected. There is no Igbo man who is going to fight a battle to include any ethnic group in Biafra against their will. It goes against the principle of self determination that Biafra is built on. But there is no harm in inviting people to join. Biafra is not "by force" like Nigeria. 6. Who will lead the new nation? Obviously, Nnamdi Kanu, their hero, has fought tooth and nails for Biafra and he is currently cooling off in jail. If Biafra comes today, who will be the interim leader and what modalities are in place for subsequent leaders to be elected? Igbos have been the only ones fighting for Biafra since time immemorial with a handful of other groups here and there. Will Igbos allow other groups to rule over them? Will they allow an Urhobo man to be President, for instance? This is not a case of mere wishing. We have to understand that Niger Delta groups MAY NEVER BE ALLOWED TO RULE BIAFRA IF IT IS ACTUALISED. Nnamdi Kanu is not a politician, he is a freedom fighter. The man has no interest in leading Biafra, he only cares about its actualisation. There are many people who are qualified to lead Biafra, it even doesnt even have to be a well known person. It only needs to be a person of unquestionable character who has vision and will rule with fairness. As for the question of if Igbos will allow the minorities rule over them, thats laughable. Ojukwu handed over to a non Igbo before he left Biafra. Igbos were the largest supporters of GEJ. 7. Still on the issue of leaders, are the new leaders going to fall from the skies or they are simply going to change addresses from Abuja to Enugu. If so, what will change in the new nation? It is not arguable that Igbo national leaders are the most corrupt persons in Nigeria. If these same people are the ones to rule the new nation then there is no hope because corruption will be so rife that the economy of the new nation will shut down like a knocked engine. If we argue that new and younger leaders will arise, we still have the issue of who fought for Biafra to contend with. Most pro-Biafrans will not allow someone who sat at the periphery of the struggle to just come and waltz power away from the "heroes" of Biafra. If this is true then we will not have a proper democracy in Biafra. I think it all depends on how Biafra comes, by war, by referendum, by political concensus. However it comes, I think that the freedom from British colonial creation called Nigeria is a step in the right direction because Nigeria has not worked as nation. It is time to give something else a try. Who knows? It might work. 8. Will Biafra be a utopia? The impression that e-Biafrans give is that Biafra will be perfect and we all know for a fact that this is not true. Apart from the issue of corruption and sentimentalism that have been addressed, we still have the issue of development. Where will money be generated from to develop the nation? In the whole of the proposed Biafra, only Port Harcourt and Onitsha are economically viable cities. Where will the investors come from? Why should they invest in a volatile country? Only in Warri, we have Ijaw, Itsekiri and Urhobo at loggerheads, imagine what would happen to the whole nation. Secondly, I am sure that no Niger Deltan will allow his "oil" to be used to develop Enugu like what happened with Abuja, and is still happening today. Niger Deltans are getting wiser and by the time the new nation is formed, matters that border on oil, wealth distribution and infrastructural development will be raised. Onitsha and PH? Thats even good. Switzerland with a population of just 8 million people is just as big as Abia and Enugu combined is far richer than Nigeria based on Banking and Financial services alone. Austria is about the same but is richer than Nigeria but is strong on Agriculture, manufacturing and Engineering. Both countries have no Oil and are landlocked. Anyone thinking Oil is living in the past. Oil is one of the major reasons Nigeria is a mess and Biafra cannot be about Oil or it will fail just like Nigeria. Besides, there will be full resource control in Biafra so no one will feel cheated. 9. The current structure of the proposed nation, as shown in the map earlier embedded, favour Igbos with more states. Urhobo has one, Efik-Ibibio has two, Itsekiri has none, etc. How will this be addressed? Certainly, every ethnic nationality will want adequate representation and so the structure on that map will never work. What you are seeing in the map isnt states. There can be no states in Biafra, that is unitary system which is bad for us. Those are provinces and if each of those provinces have full resource control, nobody can cheat anyone [10. Last, but not the least, is the issue of referendum. Some Biafrans are already calling for a referendum which will involve all parts of the proposed nation. I am pretty sure how this referendum will turn out. However, for the sake of being hypothetical, let us imagine that some ethnic groups/states vote against Biafra by the majority, what will be their fate at the end of the day? Secondly, will the result of such a referendum be true and honest? I understand that electoral malpractice forms a part of our identity. How are we going to get a true reflection of people's thoughts? Thirdly, if states and ethnic groups do decide to vote for Biafra, what mechanisms are in place to contain Igbophobia, Igbomania, Igbocentrism, Igbo hegemony, Landgrabbing, and all issues that minorities have raised? A referendum on Biafra is about those who choose to continue with the the political unity of Nigeria and those who choose to go withbsomething new. Referendums are a bit different from elections, in elections we choose people but in referendums, we choose issues. The modalities of referedums differ but I believe it should be done in terms of Local Govts. Any Local Govt that chooses to remain or go should vote accordingly. It could also be that the referendum could be just about what the majority vote for. It is very important that the modality of the referendum be agreen on first before it happens so that no one is forced into something they dont want but thst can be easily resolved by dialogue 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by PenSniper: 1:26am On Nov 21, 2016 |
Olu20090: A display of your crass naivety. Are you Indigenous People of Delusioners so daft that you must assume wboever airs an opinion contrary to your Biafra aspirations MUST be Yoruba ? So you are gullible enough to expect the entire peoples of six states of the south-south to be timidly quiet after you arrogantly annexed their region with your suicide mission ? For how long will you run away from the truth and reality ? You are so intolerant and averse to intellectual debate. You certainly have a huge problem. 10 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by laudate: 1:36am On Nov 21, 2016 |
PenSniper: Chukwu biko! See finishing. Ol' boy, you for pity am small, nah. E don tay wey I don laugh like dis! Hehehe.... 3 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by laudate: 1:43am On Nov 21, 2016 |
ndoeyopbennet: Bros, abeg tell them to erase Warri & Ughelli from that Biafra map. Somebody made a monumental cartographic mistake by including them in that map. May God bless you as you comply. mathy001: I no even know say you sef see am! Itsekiri, Urhobo & Isoko inside Biafra?? Please let me laugh in Chinese! 3 Likes |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Eastactivist: 2:09am On Nov 21, 2016 |
mathy001: Why attaching isoko to your madness... Leave isoko out of your madness. What's urhobo by the way? I don't even like minorities being in Biafra... You all sucks. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Niger Deltans Won't Subscribe To The Biafran Movement by Eastactivist: 2:22am On Nov 21, 2016 |
pazienza: You can't be more apt. Thanks for this nice immediate reply, you changed the course of this thread with your intelligentsia making the thread an enlightenment for Biafra discuss. I owe you a bottle of Andre 9 Likes |
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