Abagworo:


Ogbakor Ikwerre is no different from Ogbakor Aro or Oha Uratta or every other Ogbakor, Otu or Oha in Igboland. It's a union of kinsmen founded to protect the interest of the immediate group. It means absilutely nothing in the Ikwerre vs Igbo endless debate.

PDJT:
"Ikwerre people" on @Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikwerre_people?wprov=sfti1

Abagworo:


Ogbakor Ikwerre is no different from Ogbakor Aro or Oha Uratta or every other Ogbakor, Otu or Oha in Igboland. It's a union of kinsmen founded to protect the interest of the immediate group. It means absilutely nothing in the Ikwerre vs Igbo endless debate.

HopeAtHand:


Forget about Wikipedia, anyone can write anything there.

waternogetenemy:




I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DUMBER, IKWERRE(IGBO CLAN) OR THE AFONJA?


EITHER WAY, A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION THAT PRODUCE AN OFFICE HOLDER THAT IS NOT YOUR CLAN MEMBER DOES NOT TRANSLATE INTO COLONISATION.



THE FIRST ELECTED MAYOR OF ENUGU WAS A FULANI, DOES IT TRANSLATE INTO FULANI COLONISATION OF ENUGU? NO.

HopeAtHand:


You've written very well.

As an Ikwerre, i have to add that ancestry is the primary distinguishing factor between the Ikwerres and the Igbos. Our forebears have passed down our oral history, the story of our origins and it is exactly what we pass down to our kids.

While Igbos claimed to have migrated from Isreal, and settled in Nri, the Ikwerres have the story of Akalaka and his sojourn away from Benin to our present location. Igbos in their usual nature will not accept the Ikwerre history, but we dont care, as we are not minutely bothered by how they feel.

There are germans who after WWII, travelled to Brazil, settled there and became assimilated into Brazilian culture and language. After 70yrs, if you see their children and grandchildren, you'll refer to them as descendants of the portuguese but if they told you they are germans by ancestry, you'd have a hard time believing it.

Obviously, Iwhnrohna settled with his young family in an area where he was greatly influenced by Igbos, as visible in words and some aspects of culture. But No matter the level of assimilation, our ancestry is the reason we set ourselves aside and chose to be recognised as Ikwerres. It is something we have pursued and achieved.

Again, we do not care if Igbos aren't comfortable with our history, they can do absolutely nothing about it.

HopeAtHand:


A nomination, not an election. A people are supposed to choose for themselves amongst themselves who they consider most suitable to represent their interest. Igbos have no right to make such decision. How can they nominate a non-Ikwerre, isnt that madness??

We are talking about representation in an assembly where laws are made for the people and ure talking about Mayorship. Even mayorship sef for our city, we no see. Mr Nzimiro from IMO state was enjoying mayorship like his he personally gave land to Sir Lewis Harcourt. Na wah oh.

Igbos be eest assured that you can never repeat that history again, until this world comes to an end.

omonnakoda:
Not just anyone . There has been a determined effort ,very transparent and amusing, by some Igbo folk to write the Wikipedia articles on things like Port Harcourt,Ikwerre people and language, Ekpeye people and similar subjects
We are told Port Harcourt is IgweOcha. What is the Ikwerre position on this?

Abagworo:


No amount of linguistic gymnastics can distort glaring factors at least to the wise. Akalaka is a known ancestor of Akpohia and Ogba who got mixed with Ikpa Igbos already living in Orashi area for years. Akalaka himself was a Delta Igbo hence the ancestral land is simply Idu referring mostly to across the Niger and not Benin city proper. Ikwerre has no link with Akalaka exceot of course like 5 years ago when some online Ikwerre activists tried to link the story if Ikuruoda with Ihuruoha in a petty manner. Remnants of Ekpeye people actually migrated into Emohua part of Ikwerre area but the root of core Ikwerre which is Isiokpo/Elele is Cross River Igbos that migrated alongside Aros to Ozuzu in Etcheland and moved further to settle at Isiokpo. Okpo Wagidi is the father of Ihuruoha and not Akalaka. If you are sincere you will admit that all his lineage is traceable and many of his grandchildren moved down to settle at Diobu, Igwuocha or Port Harcourt.

HopeAtHand:


Port Harcourt is referred to as Igu Ocha in Ikwerre, the Igbos igbonised it to Ugwu/Igwe Ocha. The languages have some shared words.

But the PH of 1913 and Today arent the same as the area we call Iguocha is within the PH wharf and town axis and old GRA. The other sorrounding areas where primarily villages and settlements.

Abagworo:


No amount of linguistic gymnastics can distort glaring factors at least to the wise. Akalaka is a known ancestor of Akpohia and Ogba who got mixed with Ikpa Igbos already living in Orashi area for years. Akalaka himself was a Delta Igbo hence the ancestral land is simply Idu referring mostly to across the Niger and not Benin city proper. Ikwerre has no link with Akalaka exceot of course like 5 years ago when some online Ikwerre activists tried to link the story if Ikuruoda with Ihuruoha in a petty manner. Remnants of Ekpeye people actually migrated into Emohua part of Ikwerre area but the root of core Ikwerre which is Isiokpo/Elele is Cross River Igbos that migrated alongside Aros to Ozuzu in Etcheland and moved further to settle at Isiokpo. Okpo Wagidi is the father of Ihuruoha and not Akalaka. If you are sincere you will admit that all his lineage is traceable and many of his grandchildren moved down to settle at Diobu, Igwuocha or Port Harcourt.

waternogetenemy:


Feel free to answer the question above, u might know the answer. All i know is that igbo is a component of various arms and clans that make up our linguistics.

If we create an igbo or igboid language school, we wont have to mix igbo with English anymore, becos we will find a word for everything from our various clan, even noun, pronouns, adjectives and verbs etc.

omonnakoda:
But the town axis as you calll it ,Is that entirely Ikwerre territory ? Are there no others laying claim to it?

HopeAtHand:


Forget about Wikipedia, anyone can write anything there.

waternogetenemy:



Are the Ikwerre not an Igbo clan? Wat nonsense are u talking about?

HopeAtHand:


Okpo Wagidi version is the one used by the people of Isiokpo and Etche as their history. Every Ikwerre clan cannot have the same history. But the one that covers a greater percentage of the clans is the Akalaka ancestry and from it you have the spread of Ikwerre towns/communities mostly in Emohua LGA and some parts of Ikwerre LGA. The people of Port Harcourt and Obio/Akpor are descendants of the downward migration and Aro activities.

PDJT:


You better go challenge it, if you know anything contrary cos that's what the world would read.

Abagworo:


I don't believe Ikwerre is Igbo but I know the language and people are related. Many Ikweres don't understand central Igbo especially the fringe communities but they understand central Ikwerre. My argument is about the disgraceful act of some Ikwerre people that attempt to distort history in a petty manner. Many Americans know they are from Europe and speak English like Britons but they've not tried to distort history claiming to be from Japan even when every evidence points to Europe. The Ikwerres involved in the nonsense are as stupid as the Igbos claiming to be Jews whereas every evidence points to us being Congo.

Abagworo:


Emohua is a fringe area inhabited by mix of Ikwerre proper and migrants from many places including Abua, Engenni, Ekpeye, Ogba and Kalabari. The heart of Ikwerre is Isiokpo axis.

HopeAtHand:


Id make some efforts to effect the change. Its about time.

Abagworo:

I don't believe Ikwerre is Igbo.

omonnakoda:
Well we first have to define what is Ibo

Arabs bear Ibrahim and Jews bear Abraham,Solomon Suleiman and so on. So rather than say they are "Ibo names" Ikwerre can claim they are Ikwerre names appropriated by Ibos. What makes the names Ibo? because Ibo are more?. There is no logic to that .
There is also another hypothesis that both groups have the same origin but are distinct and the names come from that earlier origin.
The other thing is Language has very little to do with origin.
The fact that most of the SW speak Yoruba does not mean they have the same origin or ancestors.
The vast majority of North Africa now speak some variant of Arabic but they are not really Arabs ethnically
Certainly Egyptians are not Arabs but many have now forgotten that

Abagworo:


I don't believe Ikwerre is Igbo but I know the language and people are related. Many Ikweres don't understand central Igbo especially the fringe communities but they understand central Ikwerre. My argument is about the disgraceful act of some Ikwerre people that attempt to distort history in a petty manner. Many Americans know they are from Europe and speak English like Britons but they've not tried to distort history claiming to be from Japan even when every evidence points to Europe. The Ikwerres involved in the nonsense are as stupid as the Igbos claiming to be Jews whereas every evidence points to us being Congo.

HopeAtHand:


Since when is Ikwerre an Igbo clan. Are you not aware Ikwerre is in Nigerias constitution as a separate tribe??

Why the confusion?

AjiereTuwo:
I have discussed with this ipob ppl, they generate fake stories everytime, don't bother yourself. Ask him for the reference and he will either direct you to a facebook post, picture, wikipedia, or nairaland post

omonnakoda:
Jesus after all was a Jew of Hebrew descent did he speak Hebrew?

waternogetenemy:


Y do we get some Ikwerre that say they are Igbo? They have even provided members and leaders in Ohanaeze, IPOB, MASSOB and all other various levels of igbo socio-political organisation.


We most times dont know whether we are coming or going with the Ikwerre, we dont know whether dey are in or out.

bigfrancis21:


With your argument I can argue that Itshekiri and Yoruba bear similar names, which must be of Itshekiri origin and not Yoruba, but appropriated by Yoruba. You see how your reasoning gets twisted when it comes to Igbo matters but in Yoruba matters you suddenly become sober?

waternogetenemy:
OK, both igbo and ikwerre language and people are related. That is good enough for me, even yoruba language spoken in Kogi and kwara does not sound yoruba as most yorubas may not understand it.

Languages gets altered with space and time but the roots is wat ultimately binds a people. Igbo in Rivers Delta and Ebonyi may not sound like igbos in Anambra and Imo but it does not mean a common heritage and ancentral linage is not shared between them.

There are heavy traces of the igbo language in Ikwerre, the culture is the same and their names is simialar, that should be good enough. Wat is your take?

HopeAtHand:



Take it from me, We are out.. we arent interested.