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Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by DeepSight(m): 4:14pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
But Take a look at this :

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Triune God of Christianity

Before considering if we will actually be able to see God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, we need to establish that they are three Persons. Without delving too deeply into the doctrine of the Trinity, we need to understand that the Father is not the same Person as the Son, the Son is not the same Person as the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the same Person as the Father. They are not three Gods. They are three distinct Persons, yet they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal and co-powerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.

God The Father : So in heaven, there are three Persons. But will we be able to actually see them? Revelation 4:3-6 gives us a description of heaven and the throne that is occupied by God and by the Lamb: “the one sitting there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian… a rainbow resembling an emerald encircled the throne. Before the throne… a sea of glass, clear as crystal.” Since God dwells in “unapproachable light” and is one “whom no one has seen or can see” (1 Timothy 6:16), God is described in terms of the reflected brilliance of precious stones. First Corinthians 2:9 says, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him.” Because of God’s holiness, it may be that we will never be able to look upon His face, but again, this is speculation.

God The Son : Revelation 5:6 tells us that in heaven, the Lamb stands in the center of the throne and there are descriptions of Him clothed in brilliant white. Since the Lamb represents Christ Jesus, and we know that human eyes have beheld Him after His resurrection and glorification, it seems reasonable to conclude that in heaven, we will be able to look upon our Lord and Savior.

God The Holy Spirit : The Holy Spirit, by the very nature of His being, is able to move at will and take various forms. When Jesus was baptized, the Holy Spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove (Matthew 3:13-17). At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was accompanied by a loud rushing noise and was seen as tongues of fire (Acts 2:1-4). It may not be possible to see the Holy Spirit unless He chooses to manifest Himself in some form, but that is speculation.

Mere mortals do not have the ability to grasp the wonders of heaven—it is entirely beyond our comprehension. Whatever heaven is like, it will far exceed our wildest imaginings! All we know is that we will be worshiping our great God and full of wonder that He died to save sinners.

https://gotquestions.org/see-Trinity-heaven.html


https://www.nairaland.com/490515/holy-spirit-personal-sentient-being
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by DeepSight(m): 4:16pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


1. God is: beyond human morality

2. God does not resemble human form

3. God cannot die or be born ie . God is divine thus eternal

4. No divine hierarchy exists

5. God does not intervene in human affairs.


I agree.

However the last point may need to be understood with a birds eye view of things.
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:32pm On Dec 06, 2016
DeepSight:
As described in scripture, I have the impression that its more of a Force. Like God's will in action.


But the Holy Spirit took different forms like the form of a dove , the rushing wind and tongues of fire - this shows the Holy Spirit is a distinct person with a special ability of taking different forms and playing specific roles as part of the godhead .

Isaiah 42:1
"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations."

Christ came to play his own role and he has a kind of human form . He still plays his role in Heaven which is intercession .

Imagine a circle , try to divide the circle into three equal sectors . Pick One sector, give it a blue colour call it God the Father , another sector give it a red colour , call it God The Son (Christ) and the third sector give it yellow colour call it God The Holy Spirit in It . Now call the circle 'Godhead' . The different colours represent how distinct each sector is but it does not preclude it from being part of the whole .
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:57pm On Dec 06, 2016
@ DeepSight

Aha !

Mark 3:28-29
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Why did Christ say that whoever blasphemes against the Holy Ghost will never be forgiven ? Doesn't this show that the Holy Spirit is a different person ? But blasphemy against God the Father and Son can be forgiven - this shows these three are different but are One .
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:04pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Remember Xenophanes existed many years before Christ , so the question is :

Why do you think Xenophanes criticized anthropomorphism ? Do you think he would have maintained his criticism of anthropomorphism if he understood the concept of a Triune God ?

cc : 4kings
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by 4kings: 5:11pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Remember Xenophanes existed many years before Christ , so the question is :

Why do you think Xenophanes criticized anthropomorphism ? Do you think he would have maintained his criticism of anthropomorphism if he understood the concept of a Triune God ?
'Anthropomorphism in the sense of attributing physical characteristics' - - No
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:13pm On Dec 06, 2016
4kings:

'Anthropomorphism in the sense of attributing physical characteristics' - - No

Why ?
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by Rilwayne001: 5:50pm On Dec 06, 2016
Wow! Nice thread wink

Make i park my bus here kiss

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Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:39pm On Dec 06, 2016
Rilwayne001:
Wow! Nice thread wink

Make i park my bus here kiss

grin

If you've got anything about it , please share
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by JackBizzle: 7:23pm On Dec 06, 2016
Rilwayne001:
Wow! Nice thread wink

Make i park my bus here kiss


mumu muslim......dem don give you salad chop. Word salad. Saladified.
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by JackBizzle: 7:29pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Xenophanes was a Greek philosopher, theologian, poet, and social and religious critic who lived around 570–480 BCE . Xenophanes criticized the concept of the antromorphism of deities . He said


You should note that Judaism and Islam reject an anthropomorphic deity: believing that God is beyond human comprehension . Judaism holds that anthropomorphic characteristics of God in the Hebrew Bible such as the "Hand of God" are to be taken only as figures of speech. This was done to make God more comprehensible to the human reader. As God is inscrutable , beyond human understanding, and of course there are different ways of describing him. He is said to be both personal and impersonal, he has a relationship with his creation but is beyond all relationships . That's why I strongly believe that God always reveals Himself to man in ways we can comprehend .

Who still remembers my thread ? The Logic of God and Everything wink



Another nonsense thread from Kingebukasblog.

Judaism, christianity and islam all have an anthropomorphic God.

-A god that creates man in his own image.
-A god that believes in war
-A god that is jealous of other gods
-A god that can curse generations of people
-A god that is tribal (for Jews) or (for Arabs)


Kingebukasblog, dant teach me nansense!! grin grin
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:48pm On Dec 06, 2016
JackBizzle:




Another nonsense thread from Kingebukasblog.

Judaism, christianity and islam all have an anthropomorphic God.

-A god that creates man in his own image.
-A god that believes in war
-A god that is jealous of other gods
-A god that can curse generations of people
-A god that is tribal (for Jews) or (for Arabs)

Kingebukasblog, dant teach me nansense!! grin grin
cry

Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:48pm On Dec 06, 2016
CoolUsername , how far na
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by JackBizzle: 7:49pm On Dec 06, 2016
^^^
My people, have you guys noticed that when Kingebukasblog is debunked or proven wrong, he either ignores the comment or starts trolling?
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:51pm On Dec 06, 2016
JackBizzle:
^^^
My people, have you guys noticed that when Kingebukasblog is debunked or proven wrong, he either ignores the comment or starts trolling?

You just took a cursory glance at the OP and mentioned me . Look at the title of the thread , what you actually quoted and see if your response makes any sense

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Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by JackBizzle: 7:53pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


You didn't just took a cursory glance at the OP and mentioned me . Look at the title of the thread , what you actually quoted and see if your response makes any sense


undecided

I picked an important junction in your argument and punctured it.

You lied that Judaism and islam reject an anthropomorphic God
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by Ranchhoddas: 8:01pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


You just took a cursory glance at the OP and mentioned me . Look at the title of the thread , what you actually quoted and see if your response makes any sense
Ayam not understanding you this boy. Does the triune nature of God render Him any less anthropormorphic?
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:02pm On Dec 06, 2016
JackBizzle:



undecided

I picked an important junction in your argument and punctured it.

You lied that Judaism and islam reject an anthropomorphic God

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:28pm On Dec 06, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Ayam not understanding you this boy. Does the triune nature of God render Him any less anthropormorphic?

In the Old Testament we could see God doing so many things - talking , expressing emotions , issuing commands - but in the New Testament we saw Christ doing the talking and making "reforms" , elucidation of moral teachings of Christ via inspiration by the Holy Spirit , then there is the Book of Revelations where we see God saying things etc , it was a revelation anyway .

So people who view the bible as an allegory tend to see the Old Testament as an allegorical view of the New Testament events . Like Noah and the flood , Jonah and the fish etc representing Jesus' mission and experience .

Remember , the Jews believe in God The Father as the Only God which is described as dwelling in unapproachable light - they reject the Triune nature of God but this nature of God actually draws man closer to God more than ever . Christ was physically present on earth and related with man and we have the Holy Spirit who took different forms in the bible and also play specific roles in the lives of men even today . That means in the New Testament , even today , it goes beyond anthropomorphism .

So the Triune nature of God does not make God any less anthropomorphic . I wanted people's response which could help me draw a logical conclusion on the Triune nature of God and anthropomorphism .

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Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:36pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


In the Old Testament we could see God doing so many things - talking , expressing emotions , issuing commands - but in the New Testament we saw Christ doing the talking and making "reforms" , elucidation of moral teachings of Christ via inspiration by the Holy Spirit , then there is the Book of Revelations where we see God saying things etc , it was a revelation anyway .

So people who view the bible as an allegory tend to see the Old Testament as an allegorical view of the New Testament events . Like Noah and the flood , Jonah and the fish etc representing Jesus' mission and experience .

Remember , the Jews believe in God The Father as the Only God which is described as dwelling in unapproachable light - they reject the Triune nature of God but this nature of God actually draws man closer to God more than ever . Christ was physically present on earth and related with man and we have the Holy Spirit who took different forms in the bible and also play specific roles in the lives of men even today . That means in the New Testament , even today , it goes beyond anthropomorphism .

So the Triune nature of God does not make God any less anthropomorphic . I wanted people's response which could help me draw a logical conclusion on the Triune nature of God and anthropomorphism .

cc : MrPresident1
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by Ranchhoddas: 8:45pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


In the Old Testament we could see God doing so many things - talking , expressing emotions , issuing commands - but in the New Testament we saw Christ doing the talking and making "reforms" , elucidation of moral teachings of Christ via inspiration by the Holy Spirit , then there is the Book of Revelations where we see God saying things etc , it was a revelation anyway .

So people who view the bible as an allegory tend to see the Old Testament as an allegorical view of the New Testament events . Like Noah and the flood , Jonah and the fish etc representing Jesus' mission and experience .

Remember , the Jews believe in God The Father as the Only God which is described as dwelling in unapproachable light - they reject the Triune nature of God but this nature of God actually draws man closer to God more than ever . Christ was physically present on earth and related with man and we have the Holy Spirit who took different forms in the bible and also play specific roles in the lives of men even today . That means in the New Testament , even today , it goes beyond anthropomorphism .

So the Triune nature of God does not make God any less anthropomorphic . I wanted people's response which could help me draw a logical conclusion on the Triune nature of God and anthropomorphism .
Alright. I don't think anything changed in the NT as I can remember a part of the Bible that tells us that Jesus is SEATED at the RIGHT HAND of the Father, ergo, no difference for Xenophanes.
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by 4kings: 8:47pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Why ?
I can't really give a straight answer.
Accepting Jesus as God brings up logical issues, that's why u have JW doctrines.
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by MrPresident1: 8:53pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


In the Old Testament we could see God doing so many things - talking , expressing emotions , issuing commands - but in the New Testament we saw Christ doing the talking and making "reforms" , elucidation of moral teachings of Christ via inspiration by the Holy Spirit , then there is the Book of Revelations where we see God saying things etc , it was a revelation anyway .

So people who view the bible as an allegory tend to see the Old Testament as an allegorical view of the New Testament events . Like Noah and the flood , Jonah and the fish etc representing Jesus' mission and experience .

Remember , the Jews believe in God The Father as the Only God which is described as dwelling in unapproachable light - they reject the Triune nature of God but this nature of God actually draws man closer to God more than ever . Christ was physically present on earth and related with man and we have the Holy Spirit who took different forms in the bible and also play specific roles in the lives of men even today . That means in the New Testament , even today , it goes beyond anthropomorphism .

So the Triune nature of God does not make God any less anthropomorphic . I wanted people's response which could help me draw a logical conclusion on the Triune nature of God and anthropomorphism .

Who are the Jews? I am waiting for your answer grin

Christ is the perfect and complete anthropomorphic (and physical) representation of God, God in flesh, the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us. The Almighty God Who dwells in unapproachable light, took on the nature of man: fully God, fully man, to pay for the sins of His woman Israel, and also reconcile the world ( or gentiles) to the law.

You have not read that 'I and my Father are one'?
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by JackBizzle: 9:00pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism



What nonsense?

A wikipedia link is your argument? I should read the whole article and then guess which part relates to what you are thinking in your mind?


See what happens when a person corrects kingebuka? grin grin grin
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:22pm On Dec 06, 2016
4kings:

I can't really give a straight answer.
Accepting Jesus as God brings up logical issues, that's why u have JW doctrines.

What about the second post explaining the Triune Nature of God ? What exactly about Christ being God brings up logical issues
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:25pm On Dec 06, 2016
JackBizzle:



What nonsense?

A wikipedia link is your argument? I should read the whole article and then guess which part relates to what you are thinking in your mind?


See what happens when a person corrects kingebuka? grin grin grin

Smh

Na wa for you bro

Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:36pm On Dec 06, 2016
MrPresident1:


Who are the Jews? I am waiting for your answer grin


Dictionary meaning : Jew - A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins to the ancient Hebrew people of Israel.

Christ is the perfect and complete anthropomorphic (and physical) representation of God, God in flesh, the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us. The Almighty God Who dwells in unapproachable light, took on the nature of man: fully God, fully man, to pay for the sins of His woman Israel, and also reconcile the world ( or gentiles) to the law.

No Sir . The One who dwells in unapproachable light is God The Father - this distinguishes Him from The Son . The Father commands The Son , and The Father and The Son command The Holy Spirit but They are One existing as three persons , equal in power and authority .

You have not read that 'I and my Father are one'?
They are One in the sense that The Father and The Son are part of the godhead .

Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by MrPresident1: 10:15pm On Dec 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:



Dictionary meaning : Jew - A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins to the ancient Hebrew people of Israel.

The original Jews of the Bible have nothing to do with Judaism. Judaism is the religion of khazar converts. There is no Judaism in the Bible. The laws given to Moses was meant to be their way of life, not a religion. The Law was the national constitution of the Israelites to guide everything they ever did in their public and private lives.

Again, who are the original ancestral Iineage Jews of the Bible?


No Sir . The One who dwells in unapproachable light is God The Father - this distinguishes Him from The Son . The Father commands The Son , and The Father and The Son command The Holy Spirit but They are One existing as three persons , equal in power and authority .

They are distinct yet the same. I and the Father are One, not two. Jesus Christ is God, fully man, fully God. No man can see God, He is eternally invisible, but when you see Christ you have seen God.

They are One in the sense that The Father and The Son are part of the godhead .

There is no part in the Godhead, the Godhead is One, and in Christ dwells the complete fullness of the Godhead bodily. God Almighty, eternal and invisible is Love. Love is the code that Jesus lived by. Love is the Word and Spirit of God.

You all will have to wait until the apocalyse before you can understand, Christ the Firstfruits.

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Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:58pm On Dec 06, 2016
MrPresident1:


The original Jews of the Bible have nothing to do with Judaism. Judaism is the religion of khazar converts. There is no Judaism in the Bible. The laws given to Moses was meant to be their way of life, not a religion. The Law was the national constitution of the Israelites to guide everything they ever did in their public and private lives.

Again, who are the original ancestral Iineage Jews of the Bible?


No Sir . The One who dwells in unapproachable light is God The Father - this distinguishes Him from The Son . The Father commands The Son , and The Father and The Son command The Holy Spirit but They are One existing as three persons , equal in power and authority .

They are distinct yet the same. I and the Father are One, not two. Jesus Christ is God, fully man, fully God. No man can see God, He is eternally invisible, but when you see Christ you have seen God.

They are One in the sense that The Father and The Son are part of the godhead .

There is no part in the Godhead, the Godhead is One, and in Christ dwells the complete fullness of the Godhead bodily. God Almighty, eternal and invisible is Love. Love is the code that Jesus lived by. Love is the Word and Spirit of God.

You all will have to wait until the apocalyse before you can understand, Christ the Firstfruits.

If they are the same and distinct , how can you distinguish The Father From The Son ?
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by 4kings: 2:35am On Dec 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


What about the second post explaining the Triune Nature of God ? What exactly about Christ being God brings up logical issues
Three persons having a mind of their own(as depicted from the Bible) can't be ONE.
They can have equal divinity but are different. Maybe this state of divinity is considered as God.
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by JackBizzle: 4:18am On Dec 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Smh

Na wa for you bro



See your life? Your dishonesty and ignorance will always betray you.

1) The wikipedia quote you put even admits that the bible uses anthropomorphic terms to describe God (but it should be taken as metaphors).

2) If you google "judaism anthropomorphism", you will get millions of results stating that the religion uses anthropomorphism. Here is one article that clearly points out the contradiction in claiming that the Jewish God is not material but still using anthropomorphic terms for God.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01141.html

3) Say "no" to wikipedia
Re: Xenophanes' Criticism Of Anthropomorphism Vs The Triune Nature of God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:39am On Dec 07, 2016
JackBizzle:



See your life? Your dishonesty and ignorance will always betray you.

1) The wikipedia quote you put even admits that the bible uses anthropomorphic terms to describe God (but it should be taken as metaphors).

2) If you google "judaism anthropomorphism", you will get millions of results stating that the religion uses anthropomorphism. Here is one article that clearly points out the contradiction in claiming that the Jewish God is not material but still using anthropomorphic terms for God.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01141.html

3) Say "no" to wikipedia

Always pay attention closely before you spew garbage next time
KingEbukasBlog:
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You should note that : Judaism and Islam reject an anthropomorphic deity, believing that God is beyond human comprehension . Judaism holds that anthropomorphic characteristics of God in the Hebrew Bible such as the "Hand of God" are to be taken only as figures of speech. This was done to make God more comprehensible to the human reader. As God is inscrutable , beyond human understanding, and of course there are different ways of describing him. He is said to be both personal and impersonal, he has a relationship with his creation but is beyond all relationships . That's why I strongly believe that God always reveals Himself to man in ways we can comprehend .

Who still remembers my thread ? The Logic of God and Everything wink

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