ArrowAssassin1:


What are you saying sef

If you dont know that debroslink stated dani alves had more assists in domestic leagues, keep your stinking fingers in your pockets and stop typing rubbish.

raumdeuter:
Looks like you are seeking attention desperately. Wait when its your IQ level

TOUCHE!

Ibime:


You BELIEVE?

My brother, this is not TB JOSHUA church.

I don't know who has been feeding you such lies in your UP BARKA viewing centre.

I don't know which is a bigger lie, that Iniesta made 37 assists for Barka, or that India beat Nigeria 99-1 because the ball turned to lion.

When we talk about ASSISTS KINGS, kindly put Iniesta in the B Category, and stop swallowing monumental lies.

Which player has the most trophies in the world?

raumdeuter:


Ibime that was obsessed about awards from FIFA and UEFA a few weeks ago is not considering those awards anymore because it is Iniesta we are talking about

Maybe I should ask what happened to those awards you love so much, why is awards won by both not considered in this case. Is it because it makes you put another foot in your mouth?

My only obsession with awards is why a nigga like Boateng plays for the most successful sides of the last 4 years and does not get nominated.

It is well known that winning awards often depends on the success of your team and that is the only difference between Iniesta and Cazorla.

If your team is unsuccessful like Terry in WC 2006 and you still win, that means you must have played really well. If your team is winning everything and you don't get nominated (like Boateng), then you must be really crap.

airmark:


If you dont know that debroslink stated dani alves had more assists in domestic leagues, keep your stinking fingers in your pockets and stop typing rubbish.

You just came out of nowhere and started doing this to yoursef? Maka why?

Ibime:
My only obsession with awards is why a nigga pike Boateng plays for the most successful sides of the last 4 years and does not get nominated.

It is well known that winning awards often depends on the success of your team and that is the only difference between Iniesta and Cazorla.

If your team is unsuccessful like Terry in WC 2006 and you still win, that means you must have played really well. If your team is winning everything and you don't get nominated (like Boateng), then you must be really crap.

It didnt even take 3 weeks for you to start slurping your own vomitus

3 weeks ago: Awards are all that count

Today - Awards sometimes depends on ...

If you have any shame you will log out and go to the gym

Ibime:


What is your argument, that Dani Alves has more assists than Lampard bar Carling Cup?

No! Can't even remember the last time I typed Alves name! Go up and find it!

Ibime:
It is well known what Xavi and Zidane do better than their counterparts.

Xavi controlled possession like no midfielder before while Zidane was the best player in his teams.

What does Iniesta do better as an AM than Cazorla that would make him to be higher rated than Cazorla? Is it playing possession footie the same as Cazorla, assisting the same as Cazorla or scoring the same as John Terry?

When Xavi left, How come Barca still controlled possesion? Was it Xavi doing it for them from the bench and from Qatar?

Zidane was simply the best player in his teams its no longer about goals and assists and quantitative productivity

You might have been able to twist out of this but you are not as nimble as you used to be several years ago before fat took over

Nihilist:
Why does Carling Cup not qualify as Treble? Winner of both go to Europa.

Also FA Cup is for everybody in England. Copa is restricted to 4 leagues. Carling is also restricted to 4 leagues.

So what is the difference between Carling and Copa?

This is a poor attempt to troll I wont waste my time on this

Let me deal with the big elephant in the room (Pun intended)

raumdeuter:


It didnt even take 3 weeks for you to start slurping your own vomitus

3 weeks ago: Awards are all that count

Today - Awards sometimes depends on ...

If you have any shame you will log out and go to the gym

It is well known that to win awards, your team must have a modicum of success.

The whole award debate was to show how crap Boateng is that he can't win award though his team is successful.

I would rather rely on awards when comparing defenders like Boateng and Terry than rely on "beasting gifs" you keep posting upandan the forum.

Nihilist:
Why does Carling Cup not qualify as Treble? Winner of both go to Europa.

Also FA Cup is for everybody in England. Copa is restricted to 4 leagues. Carling is also restricted to 4 leagues..

So what is the difference between Carling and Copa?

This is a poor attempt to troll I wont waste my time on this

Let me deal with the big elephant in the room (Pun intended)

Nihilist:


Considering that there are 20 teams in the league, the fact that Lukaku has a chance of making your list top 5 overall strikers of even a hater like you just shows how good he is.

I don't know how you can say that Lukaku has not improved Everton with a straight face. Has Costa improved Chelsea? What if I told you that Lukaku has more goals than Costa in all comps since Costa came to England...more assists too..



What would you say then?

Some of the yarns you guys vomit sometimes though...

.. Costa have improved virtually every team he has played for, the same cannot be said for our lukaku.. Statistics still shows Everton was an average team that started declining when lukaku joined them..

This is the second season Costa is playing in England but he has scored 80% of what lukaku has scored playing lesser matches sef, ( I gave you the stats here a certain time ago). Costa is Jesus and lord over lukaku, I always tell you put Costa into the Everton Team and watch lukaku start playing from the bench.

In fact give keoman Costa and watch lukaku been used for capital one cups only.

homesteady:


No! Can't even remember the last time I typed Alves name! Go up and find it!

All you UP BARKA fans look and sound the same to me. A blur of monotonous and cacophonous commoners from the UP BARKA viewing centre.

lordfalcao:
.. Costa have improved virtually every team he has played for, the same cannot be said for our lukaku.. Statistics still shows Everton was an average team that started declining when lukaku joined them..

This is the second season Costa is playing in England but he has scored 80% of what lukaku has scored playing lesser matches sef, ( I gave you the stats here a certain time ago). Costa is Jesus and lord over lukaku, I always tell you put Costa into the Everton Team and watch lukaku start playing from the bench.

In fact give keoman Costa and watch lukaku been used for capital one cups only.

Lukaku is beasting it at a club with lesser players than chelsea. And hes just 23. How old is costa?

lordfalcao:
.. Costa have improved virtually every team he has played for, the same cannot be said for our lukaku.. Statistics still shows Everton was an average team that started declining when lukaku joined them..

Stats are not for everybody. There is a cardinal rule in Statistical Analysis that says 'Correlation does not imply Causation'

Google that.

I could point out that Lukaku finished 5th in his first season at Everton, and the club began to suffer as their aging and creaking defence began to collapse under a manager that had relegated his previous Club and came very close to relegating Everton.

This is the second season Costa is playing in England but he has scored 80% of what lukaku has scored playing lesser matches sef

This is Costa's 3rd season in England. Lukaku has both outscored and out assisted Costa while playing for a lesser club on thr same period of time. If Lukaku has not improved Everton based on goals or assists, on what basis had Costa improved Chelsea?

In fact give keoman Costa and watch lukaku been used for capital one cups only. grin grin grin

You might have forgotten that Costa was almost replaced by Lukaku this season, Everton just refused to sell.

Nihilist:


I'm comparing both of them over the last 3 seasons(since Costa came to England), and Lukaku has more goals and assists whilst playing for mid-table Everton.



Lukaku 128 goals and 52 assists all comps since 2009, 180 goals total

Costa 131 goals and 49 assists all comps since 2009 180 goals total

Lukaku was 16 years old at the start of this Comparison btw

This is not even the bane of contention sef. If Lukaku has not improved Everton despite outscoring Costa over the last 3 seasons so far, then Costa has definitely not improved Chelsea.

Kpokwem.

Lukaku's superior appearances over the 3 seasons in question only makes it natural that his goal/assist should be more. Now consider the goals per minute percentage and tell me who is deadliest. And you are forgetting that Lukaku has been in England 3 years before Costa, so he has adapted well to the league. That comparison is very unfair to Costa.

Costa's goals and assists gave Chelsea her first EPL in 5 years. His goals and assist gave Chelsea League Cup in his first season. If thats not improvement, I don't know what is. Presently his goals and assists is keeping Chelsea at the top of the table.

Remind me the trophy Lukaku's goals and assists gave Everton.

And please don't tell me how Everton is a 'dead' club. Leicester fought relegation in 2014, we know what Vardy's goals and assists did for them the next season.

ArrowAssassin1:


Lukaku is beasting it at a club with lesser players than chelsea. And hes just 23. How old is costa?

do you even know what beating means??

Nihilist:


Stats are not for everybody. There is a cardinal rule in Statistical Analysis that says 'Correlation does not imply Causation'

Google that.

I could point out that Lukaku finished 5th in his first season at Everton, and the club began to suffer as their aging and creaking defence began to collapse under a manager that had relegated his previous Club and came very close to relegating Everton.



This is Costa's 3rd season in England. Lukaku has both outscored and out assisted Costa while playing for a lesser club on thr same period of time. If Lukaku has not improved Everton based on goals or assists, on what basis had Costa improved Chelsea?



You might have forgotten that Costa was almost replaced by Lukaku this season, Everton just refused to sell.

Thanks bro for saying the truth

raumdeuter:


When Xavi left, How come Barca still controlled possesion? Was it Xavi doing it for them from the bench and from Qatar?

Barca have always and will always control possession, but none like Xavi. Does that make Rakitic, Iniesta or Ivan De La Pena better possession controllers than Xavi?

It is established that Xavi does possession better than any midfielder on God's green earth.

What does Iniesta do better than Cazorla? Score like John Terry? OK maybe I'll give him a slight edge on dribbling, but dribbling without end product does not pay my bills.

Ibime:
It is well known that to win awards, your team must have a modicum of success.

The whole award debate was to show how crap Boateng is that he can't win award though his team is successful.

I would rather rely on awards when comparing defenders like Boateng and Terry than rely on "beasting gifs" you keep posting upandan the forum.

I would rather rely on awards when comparing defenders like Boateng and Terry

But I would rather not rely on these same awards when I make insane comparison like Iniesta vs Cazorla

Does anyone still think that fat isnt the problem here

Ibime:
Barca will have always and will always control possession, but none like Xavi. Does that make Rakitic, Iniesta or Ivan De La Pena better possession controllers than Xavi?

It is established that Xavi does possession better than any midfielder on God's green earth.

What does Iniesta do better than Cazorla? Score like John Terry? OK maybe I'll give him a slight edge on dribbling, but dribbling without end product does not pay my bills.

Why is "controlling possesion and dominating midfield" the standard to measure Xavi and not goals and assists aka productivity that you used to measure Iniesta

So that means Barca midfield control is in spite of Xavi's contriution? So what exactly did Xavi contribute to Barcelona?

ArrowAssassin1:


Dude, Iniesta has won 29 titles in life, and has more titles than any player has ever won. (Even Pele de Nascimento has no chills on him) He also holds the record for highest assists in a season (37) and many other records man. Watch iniesta to know iniesta.

So football is now lawn tennis that iniesta alone won 29 titles huh. I'm not taking anything from iniesta though but you should try to understand what ibime said in his post you quoted.

raumdeuter:


When Xavi left, How come Barca still controlled possesion? Was it Xavi doing it for them from the bench and from Qatar?

Zidane was simply the best player in his teams its no longer about goals and assists and quantitative productivity

You might have been able to twist out of this but you are not as nimble as you used to be several years ago before fat took over

So all of a sudden goals and assist doesn't matter to you anymore.
Wonder shall never end. With people like you still around Naija nor go ever better.

raumdeuter:


Why is "controlling possesion and dominating midfield" the standard to measure Xavi and not goals and assists aka productivity that you used to measure Iniesta

Because Iniesta was an unproductive AM while Xavi is a CM, and quite productive for that position.

Barca have not been as dominant in possession in the last 2 years either. They rely more on the individual skill of MSN to bail them out.

Please don't open old argument about Iniesta being a CM. I will accept that Iniesta has been a CM for the past 2 years only and that's that.

hensben:
So all of a sudden goals and assist doesn't matter to you anymore.
Wonder shall never end. With people like you still around Naija nor go ever better.

Tome performance in big moments is still my biggest measure which is why Iniesta, Zidane, Boateng, will always be standout players and Terry will always be the turd

And the blame for naija being better should go to other people not me

Nihilist:


Stats are not for everybody. There is a cardinal rule in Statistical Analysis that says 'Correlation does not imply Causation'

Google that.

I could point out that Lukaku finished 5th in his first season at Everton, and the club began to suffer as their aging and creaking defence began to collapse under a manager that had relegated his previous Club and came very close to relegating Everton.



This is Costa's 3rd season in England. Lukaku has both outscored and out assisted Costa while playing for a lesser club on thr same period of time. If Lukaku has not improved Everton based on goals or assists, on what basis had Costa improved Chelsea?



You might have forgotten that Costa was almost replaced by Lukaku this season, Everton just refused to sell.

Trying to give excuse for Everton decline under lukaku. When Leicester came from relegation and won the league.. E no work.

lukaku is in his 5th year in the EPL. 163 matches, 69 goals, 31 assist.

Costa in his 3rd year 69 matches. 44goals, 15 assist..


Costa has only played 2/5 of the matches lukaku has played but have 1/2 of lukaku's goal and assist. Find another reason to credit lukaku this one won't work.

No right thinking manager will pick lukaku over Costa. Quote this every where.

Ibime:


Because Iniesta was an unproductive AM while Xavi is a CM, and quite productive for that position.

Barca have not been as dominant in possession in the last 2 years either. They rely more on the individual skill of MSN to bail them out.

Please don't open old argument about Iniesta being a CM. I will accept that Iniesta has been a CM for the past 2 years only and that's that.

You can choose your own opinion, You cannot choose your own FATS I mean facts

This is Iniestas position for his games and with the goal and assists he has from the position

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andres-iniesta/leistungsdaten/spieler/7600/plus/0?saison=ges

timbros:


Lukaku's superior appearances over the 3 seasons in question only makes it natural that his goal/assist should be more. Now consider the goals per minute percentage and tell me who is deadliest. And you are forgetting that Lukaku has been in England 3 years before Costa, so he has adapted well to the league. That comparison is very unfair to Costa.
.

Lukaku's only real experience in England was with West Brom. Diego Costa had just won la liga and made a(brief) appearance in UCL final. I think I know who the more experienced player is.

Anyway, my point is not to prove which player is better. Costa has played in better teams than Lukaku for most of his career and his output is not better than Lukaku's. Infact, it's been exactly the same since 2009.

My point was questioning how Lukaku had not improved Everton, while Costa had improved Chelsea. I want to know what metric we can use to prove such an assertion.

Costa's goals and assists gave Chelsea her first EPL in 5 years. His goals and assist gave Chelsea League Cup in his first season. If thats not improvement, I don't know what is. Presently his goals and assists is keeping Chelsea at the top of the table.

It is not just Costa's goals and assists that are keeping us at the top of the table. Based on Goals and assists alone, we would be third. 2 of the current top 4 have outscored us, and we only have one more goal than City. The reason we are 1st is our mean defence, having conceded the (joint) fewest goals in the league.

Remind me the trophy Lukaku's goals and assists gave Everton.

And please don't tell me how Everton is a 'dead' club. Leicester fought relegation in 2014, we know what Vardy's goals and assists did for them the next season.

What a poor analogy

Harry Kane bettered Vardy, and Aguero tied him last season, yet the Spurs and city defences let them down at crucial points in the season. Leicester only lost 3 games last season, which is why their centreback and DM also made PFA team of the year....

It's not a coincidence that Koeman has already criticised his defenders in the media this season for "really bad defending". Unless your point is that Lukaku most score and defend at the same time

These are the stats for 2 players, crunch the numbers goals and assist per match and guess which one is Iniesta the "unproductive ninja and which one is Xavi the greatest midfielder of all time (Both appelation were from Ibime)

raumdeuter:


You can choose your own opinion, You cannot choose your own FATS I mean facts

This is Iniestas position for his games and with the goal and assists he has from the position

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andres-iniesta/leistungsdaten/spieler/7600/plus/0?saison=ges

That is based on what the coach puts down on paper. In a 4-3-3, nobody will be recorded officially as the AM. That only happens when you submit 4-2-3-1 etc.

However we all know Iniesta was the AM of the 3.

Lampard is never listed as an AM either as Chelsea played 4-3-3 also.

Iniesta is an unproductive AM. Simples. Argue it with the birds.

Ibime:


That is based on what the coach puts down on paper. In a 4-3-3, nobody will be recorded officially as the AM. That only happens when you submit 4-2-3-1 etc.

However we all know Iniesta was the AM of the 3.

Lampard is never listed as an AM either as Chelsea played 4-3-3 also.

Iniesta is an unproductive AM. Simples. Argue it with the birds.

Lampard stats in 04/05 and 05/06 when Chelsea played 433. Now once again tell us was Lampard ever listed as AM? In reference to the section you bolded for emphasis in your statement

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/frank-lampard/leistungsdaten/spieler/3163/plus/0?saison=2005

Ibime:


All you UP BARKA fans look and sound the same to me. A blur of monotonous and cacophonous commoners from the UP BARKA viewing centre.

You have no iota of shame! So You feigned temporal insanity so that you could dodge from a monotonous and cacophonous commoner?