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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 4:07pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
ArrowAssassin1: If you dont know that debroslink stated dani alves had more assists in domestic leagues, keep your stinking fingers in your pockets and stop typing rubbish. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 4:09pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter: TOUCHE! 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ArrowAssassin1(m): 4:10pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: Which player has the most trophies in the world? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:11pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter: My only obsession with awards is why a nigga like Boateng plays for the most successful sides of the last 4 years and does not get nominated. It is well known that winning awards often depends on the success of your team and that is the only difference between Iniesta and Cazorla. If your team is unsuccessful like Terry in WC 2006 and you still win, that means you must have played really well. If your team is winning everything and you don't get nominated (like Boateng), then you must be really crap. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ArrowAssassin1(m): 4:11pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
airmark: You just came out of nowhere and started doing this to yoursef? Maka why? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:15pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: It didnt even take 3 weeks for you to start slurping your own vomitus 3 weeks ago: Awards are all that count Today - Awards sometimes depends on ... If you have any shame you will log out and go to the gym |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by homesteady(m): 4:17pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: No! Can't even remember the last time I typed Alves name! Go up and find it! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:18pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: When Xavi left, How come Barca still controlled possesion? Was it Xavi doing it for them from the bench and from Qatar? Zidane was simply the best player in his teams its no longer about goals and assists and quantitative productivity You might have been able to twist out of this but you are not as nimble as you used to be several years ago before fat took over |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:22pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: This is a poor attempt to troll I wont waste my time on this Let me deal with the big elephant in the room (Pun intended) |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:22pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter: It is well known that to win awards, your team must have a modicum of success. The whole award debate was to show how crap Boateng is that he can't win award though his team is successful. I would rather rely on awards when comparing defenders like Boateng and Terry than rely on "beasting gifs" you keep posting upandan the forum. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:22pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: This is a poor attempt to troll I wont waste my time on this Let me deal with the big elephant in the room (Pun intended) |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 4:25pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Nihilist:.. Costa have improved virtually every team he has played for, the same cannot be said for our lukaku.. Statistics still shows Everton was an average team that started declining when lukaku joined them.. This is the second season Costa is playing in England but he has scored 80% of what lukaku has scored playing lesser matches sef, ( I gave you the stats here a certain time ago). Costa is Jesus and lord over lukaku, I always tell you put Costa into the Everton Team and watch lukaku start playing from the bench. In fact give keoman Costa and watch lukaku been used for capital one cups only. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:27pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
homesteady: All you UP BARKA fans look and sound the same to me. A blur of monotonous and cacophonous commoners from the UP BARKA viewing centre. 14 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ArrowAssassin1(m): 4:32pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
lordfalcao: Lukaku is beasting it at a club with lesser players than chelsea. And hes just 23. How old is costa? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 4:37pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
lordfalcao: Stats are not for everybody. There is a cardinal rule in Statistical Analysis that says 'Correlation does not imply Causation' Google that. I could point out that Lukaku finished 5th in his first season at Everton, and the club began to suffer as their aging and creaking defence began to collapse under a manager that had relegated his previous Club and came very close to relegating Everton. This is the second season Costa is playing in England but he has scored 80% of what lukaku has scored playing lesser matches sef This is Costa's 3rd season in England. Lukaku has both outscored and out assisted Costa while playing for a lesser club on thr same period of time. If Lukaku has not improved Everton based on goals or assists, on what basis had Costa improved Chelsea?
You might have forgotten that Costa was almost replaced by Lukaku this season, Everton just refused to sell. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 4:39pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: Lukaku's superior appearances over the 3 seasons in question only makes it natural that his goal/assist should be more. Now consider the goals per minute percentage and tell me who is deadliest. And you are forgetting that Lukaku has been in England 3 years before Costa, so he has adapted well to the league. That comparison is very unfair to Costa. Costa's goals and assists gave Chelsea her first EPL in 5 years. His goals and assist gave Chelsea League Cup in his first season. If thats not improvement, I don't know what is. Presently his goals and assists is keeping Chelsea at the top of the table. Remind me the trophy Lukaku's goals and assists gave Everton. And please don't tell me how Everton is a 'dead' club. Leicester fought relegation in 2014, we know what Vardy's goals and assists did for them the next season. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 4:41pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
ArrowAssassin1:do you even know what beating means?? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ArrowAssassin1(m): 4:42pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: Thanks bro for saying the truth |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:43pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Barca have always and will always control possession, but none like Xavi. Does that make Rakitic, Iniesta or Ivan De La Pena better possession controllers than Xavi? It is established that Xavi does possession better than any midfielder on God's green earth. What does Iniesta do better than Cazorla? Score like John Terry? OK maybe I'll give him a slight edge on dribbling, but dribbling without end product does not pay my bills. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:43pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: I would rather rely on awards when comparing defenders like Boateng and Terry But I would rather not rely on these same awards when I make insane comparison like Iniesta vs Cazorla Does anyone still think that fat isnt the problem here 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:45pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: Why is "controlling possesion and dominating midfield" the standard to measure Xavi and not goals and assists aka productivity that you used to measure Iniesta So that means Barca midfield control is in spite of Xavi's contriution? So what exactly did Xavi contribute to Barcelona? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 4:46pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
ArrowAssassin1:So football is now lawn tennis that iniesta alone won 29 titles huh. I'm not taking anything from iniesta though but you should try to understand what ibime said in his post you quoted. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 4:49pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter:So all of a sudden goals and assist doesn't matter to you anymore. Wonder shall never end. With people like you still around Naija nor go ever better. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:52pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Because Iniesta was an unproductive AM while Xavi is a CM, and quite productive for that position. Barca have not been as dominant in possession in the last 2 years either. They rely more on the individual skill of MSN to bail them out. Please don't open old argument about Iniesta being a CM. I will accept that Iniesta has been a CM for the past 2 years only and that's that. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:03pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
hensben: Tome performance in big moments is still my biggest measure which is why Iniesta, Zidane, Boateng, will always be standout players and Terry will always be the turd And the blame for naija being better should go to other people not me |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 5:05pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Nihilist:Trying to give excuse for Everton decline under lukaku. When Leicester came from relegation and won the league.. E no work. lukaku is in his 5th year in the EPL. 163 matches, 69 goals, 31 assist. Costa in his 3rd year 69 matches. 44goals, 15 assist.. Costa has only played 2/5 of the matches lukaku has played but have 1/2 of lukaku's goal and assist. Find another reason to credit lukaku this one won't work. No right thinking manager will pick lukaku over Costa. Quote this every where. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:07pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: You can choose your own opinion, You cannot choose your own This is Iniestas position for his games and with the goal and assists he has from the position http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andres-iniesta/leistungsdaten/spieler/7600/plus/0?saison=ges
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 5:11pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
timbros: Lukaku's only real experience in England was with West Brom. Diego Costa had just won la liga and made a(brief) appearance in UCL final. I think I know who the more experienced player is. Anyway, my point is not to prove which player is better. Costa has played in better teams than Lukaku for most of his career and his output is not better than Lukaku's. Infact, it's been exactly the same since 2009. My point was questioning how Lukaku had not improved Everton, while Costa had improved Chelsea. I want to know what metric we can use to prove such an assertion. Costa's goals and assists gave Chelsea her first EPL in 5 years. His goals and assist gave Chelsea League Cup in his first season. If thats not improvement, I don't know what is. Presently his goals and assists is keeping Chelsea at the top of the table. It is not just Costa's goals and assists that are keeping us at the top of the table. Based on Goals and assists alone, we would be third. 2 of the current top 4 have outscored us, and we only have one more goal than City. The reason we are 1st is our mean defence, having conceded the (joint) fewest goals in the league. Remind me the trophy Lukaku's goals and assists gave Everton. What a poor analogy Harry Kane bettered Vardy, and Aguero tied him last season, yet the Spurs and city defences let them down at crucial points in the season. Leicester only lost 3 games last season, which is why their centreback and DM also made PFA team of the year.... It's not a coincidence that Koeman has already criticised his defenders in the media this season for "really bad defending". Unless your point is that Lukaku most score and defend at the same time |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:13pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
These are the stats for 2 players, crunch the numbers goals and assist per match and guess which one is Iniesta the "unproductive ninja and which one is Xavi the greatest midfielder of all time (Both appelation were from Ibime)
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:15pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
raumdeuter: That is based on what the coach puts down on paper. In a 4-3-3, nobody will be recorded officially as the AM. That only happens when you submit 4-2-3-1 etc. However we all know Iniesta was the AM of the 3. Lampard is never listed as an AM either as Chelsea played 4-3-3 also. Iniesta is an unproductive AM. Simples. Argue it with the birds. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:21pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: Lampard stats in 04/05 and 05/06 when Chelsea played 433. Now once again tell us was Lampard ever listed as AM? In reference to the section you bolded for emphasis in your statement http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/frank-lampard/leistungsdaten/spieler/3163/plus/0?saison=2005
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by homesteady(m): 5:22pm On Dec 12, 2016 |
Ibime: You have no iota of shame! So You feigned temporal insanity so that you could dodge from a monotonous and cacophonous commoner? |
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