All in the church founder's quest to add more titles to his name.

Our God is watching.

Seems everyone is looking for a scapegoat in this church murder. Yes it's murder the state should prosecute.

The person responsible for this murder from the collapsed structure is AKWA IBOM Building Control Agency or its Ministry of Works.

The engineering design and plans ought to have been inspected and denied permission, but construction went on.

During construction, there was either no inspection on site by AkwaIbom state government agencies, or they COLLECTED BRIBE.

The police should hold / detain the Church, Contractor and State agency CEO asap.

The families of the deceased should come together and find a very stubborn controversial lawyer to SUE everyone sueable

I THINK THE MISTAKE WAS NOT USING STEEL PILLARS (USING CONCRETE PILLARS) DESIGN IN STEEL, TIMBER ARE ENTIRE BRANCHES BY THEMSELVES.

helovesme:
Was any test done to determine the soil's load bearing capacity

It looks like they wanted to emulate the winner's chapel edifice at Ota but they've forgotten that bishop oyedepo is a trained Architect.

Look at the walls isn't that just block and cement? No steel beams to support the overhead steel work

My first thoughts immediately I saw the pictures.

Well did anybody notice the member sizing? Those structural members looks kinder undersized from the pics. Could it have been poor member sizing supporting excess roof load coupled with poor construction method that ochestrated this collapse? Well we can only wait n see the outcome of the inquest.

greenhulk:


There's no need for pillar in the middle. Does stadiums have pillars in the middle?

Does it mean a pillar at the middle will not have prevented it, yes or no. No one is arguing that there no other methods.

The Enginneers also shared your opinion.

nedu2000:
not necessarily a pillar,in theatres,stadiums and auditoriums,pillars are sources of obstruction for spectators/congregation/fans so are usually not used, however reinforcements (to design)is added. All is about design

True but the Enginneers also shared the same opinion.

micflo28:
Stadiums are usually open roof....in this case its roofs were completely coverred making a mid-pillar necessary

I guess u have not seen an indoor stadium.

pic 1 below is an indoor stadium, show me where's the pillar in the middle

pic 2 is Winner's chapel auditorium. show me where's the pillar in the middle.

Look I knw this diaster was probably causd by some engineering flaws or use of subsandard materials but it has nothing to do with having a pillar or pillars in the middle. Modern auditoriums don't have pillars in the middle.

1stCitizen:


Does it mean a pillar at the middle will not have prevented it, yes or no. No one is arguing that there no other methods.

The Enginneers also shared your opinion.

This was probably caused by design or engineering flaw or use of substarndard materials. it has nothing to do with wether there's a pillar in the middle or not. An indoor stadium does not have pillar in the middle because it is not needed, the design of this church does not require a pillar in the mddle, just like winners chapel mighty auditorium does not have any pillars in the middle.

BornStunner1:


HOW CAN YOU ERECT METAL OVER HEAD BEAMS WITHOUT PILLARS FOR SUPPORT??


GOD!!!!!!!! THIS WAS MURDER!!!!!

What are you saying?...are you a civil engineer?I guess you are not, cos of the terms you used? Steel roof systems are meant for long spans (they only need supports at their extreme ends), ie if it's properly designed by a professional and experienced civil/structural engineer. Steel sections are very efficient in performing that function, that was why timber wasn't used or ain't used for long spans. I know this cos I'm a civil engineer, and I have modeled, analysed and designed more complex steel roof systems, with much longer spans.

Now, from the pictures I have seen, the concrete quality is BAD! The columns were under reinforced, the steel roof lost stability due to poor connections between the members and between the trusses and the supporting columns, the diagonals' section sizes and also due to the fact that the columns meant to take horizontal thrust and moment failed in shear as a result of being poorly reinforced (the concrete columns where forced to take tension...concrete doesn't take tension, it.will shear). From the state of the construction site, quacks were in charge doing what to have absolutely no professional idea of.

There's no way they would have had some immediate signs of collapse, cos steel fails plastically(ie there are no warming signs), ie if it was even analysed and designed, which I firmly doubt!

May the souls of the dead rest in peace. AMEN.

elbinmanny:
nne what has the load bearing capacity of the soil got to do with a collapsed roof that left the walls still standing? You wan show yasef abi?
This is probably due to wrong distribution of loads of the roof which created a point load at the centre. This was caused by gravitational force acting downwards from the king post

Bro take it easy.........Lol!!!! but if u take a closer look you will also observe that the the contrator tried to bond the rafters directly to the concrete beam!!!! there was no H-beam, no bolted joints. connection was just zero member sizing was bad and probably concrete quality was equally poor.

The consultant has to produce the design n the contractor has to justify his construction method.

greenhulk:


I guess u have not seen an indoor stadium.

pic 1 below is an indoor stadium, show me where's the pillar in the middle

pic 2 is Winner's chapel auditorium. show me where's the pillar in the middle.

Look I knw this diaster was probably causd by some engineering flaws or use of subsandard materials but it has nothing to do with having a pillar or pillars in the middle. Modern auditoriums don't have pillars in the middle.

No columns needed anywhere within the church.

Quacks provided the structural drawings and quacks supervised it....what should we expect?...that it will win an award??

why didn't you raise alarm before this time... of what use is this?

helovesme:
Was any test done to determine the soil's load bearing capacity

It looks like they wanted to emulate the winner's chapel edifice at Ota but they've forgotten that bishop oyedepo is a trained Architect.

Look at the walls isn't that just block and cement? No steel beams to support the overhead steel work

You didn't really make any point. What does bearing capacity have to do with a column the failed in shear and a steel roof system that lost stability due to MULTIPLE OBVIOUS REASONS?

And how does winner's chapel roof system and blockwork cause the collapse?

Are you a structural engineer?

YeyeGirl:
D person who gave dem d job isn't to b blamed... He's got no business abt hw it goes... Its like me telling u to build a house for me since I have d money to afford one... Wetin concern Doctor with Architecture?? Think pls... D builders are 2 be blamed... Wit d beauty of d church,how u expect make d pastors knw say d church get comma...

Yea, he may not be blamed, but he should have ensured that DUE DILIGENCE was done. This process allows for the competence of the contractor to be determined prior to awarding the contract to him.

iksmoore:
I have taken a closer look at the roof trusses of the collapsed building and i cannot but agree that there is a failure in the conceptual design analysis. The loads were not distributed uniformly and there was no support at the center hence the collapse of the roof.Authorities concern should step in immediately to avert reoccurrence.

There is actually no need for a central support,all dat is needed is a properly designed column which will cater for d evenly distrbuted roof load.
I am tempted to believe dat the roof load was underestimated. And am sure the concrete grade used for d columns was smaller dan the designed fcu. I am pretty sure dat d percentage of steel choosen is quit small aswell

looking at the way the building collapse, it shows the roof is being built with heavy metals... and building such a heavy metal roof, before even filling the building wall, definitely there will be lapses..... though no one is above mistake, but building such a structure you have to involve engineers, architects, am sure they didn't not all of this

PhoneGist:



Was about to say the same thing

Ur allowed to still say the same thing using ur own words

iksmoore:
I have taken a closer look at the roof trusses of the collapsed building and i cannot but agree that there is a failure in the conceptual design analysis. The loads were not distributed uniformly and there was no support at the center hence the collapse of the roof.Authorities concern should step in immediately to avert reoccurrence.

What do you mean by "the loads were not uniformly distributed"? Do you mean to tell me 'point loads' have no place in design? Is the absence of the support at the center the cause of the failure? I was expecting you to emphasize on the strength of the roof trusses if it was the roof that failed or the strength of the beams if the beams failed likewise the columns and the fdn.

frank043:




What are you saying?...are you a civil engineer?I guess you are not, cos of the terms you used? Steel roof systems are meant for long spans (they only need supports at their extreme ends), ie if it's properly designed by a professional and experienced civil/structural engineer. Steel sections are very efficient in performing that function, that was why timber wasn't used or ain't used for long spans. I know this cos I'm a civil engineer, and I have modeled, analysed and designed more complex steel roof systems, with much longer spans.

Now, from the pictures I have seen, the concrete quality is BAD! The columns were under reinforced, the steel roof lost stability due to poor connections between the members and between the trusses and the supporting columns, the diagonals' section sizes and also due to the fact that the columns meant to take horizontal thrust and moment failed in shear as a result of being poorly reinforced (the concrete columns where forced to take tension...concrete doesn't take tension, it.will shear). From the state of the construction site, quacks were in charge doing what to have absolutely no professional idea of.

There's no way they would have had some immediate signs of collapse, cos steel fails plastically(ie there are no warming signs), ie if it was even analysed and designed, which I firmly doubt!

May the souls of the dead rest in peace. AMEN.

U nailed it colleague!!!!!!! same were my analysis.

helovesme:
Was any test done to determine the soil's load bearing capacity

It looks like they wanted to emulate the winner's chapel edifice at Ota but they've forgotten that bishop oyedepo is a trained Architect.

Look at the walls isn't that just block and cement? No steel beams to support the overhead steel work

What has an Arc got to do with the structural stability of a building? When there is a structural failure, you don't rush into conclusions. What if at the end of the day it is discovered that the materials used were substandard(especially the reinforcement) and not the structural design hence the failure, what will be your reaction.

Frankgoz:
Well my fellow strictural engineers in the house did anybody notice the member sizing? Those structural members looks kinder undersized from the pics. Could it have been poor member sizing supporting excess roof load coupled with poor construction method that ochestrated this collapse? Well we can only wait n see the outcome of the inquest.

well thought

1stCitizen:


Does it mean a pillar at the middle will not have prevented it, yes or no. No one is arguing that there no other methods.

The Enginneers also shared your opinion.

Are you a Civil Engr? Your answer must be no isn't it?

asamaigho:


There is actually no need for a central support,all dat is needed is a properly designed column which will cater for d evenly distrbuted roof load.
I am tempted to believe dat the roof load was underestimated. And am sure the concrete grade used for d columns was smaller dan the designed fcu. I am pretty sure dat d percentage of steel choosen is quit small aswell

Dont get it twixted!!!!! for a project of this magnitude there must have been a supervising engineer!!!!!!! Engineer has LEVELS.


Sorry wasn't u I intended to quote........apologies

Medicine after death

frank043:


Yea, he may not be blamed, but he should have ensured that DUE DILIGENCE was done. This process allows for the competence of the contractor to be determined prior to awarding the contract to him.

U ryt tho..

Due to the roof load, d structural engineer should have used steel frames, even if u want to use concrete columns, the size is too small, who knows the size and number of reinforcement used in one column sef, judging the size

BornStunner1:


HOW CAN YOU ERECT METAL OVER HEAD BEAMS WITHOUT PILLARS FOR SUPPORT??


GOD!!!!!!!! THIS WAS MURDER!!!!!

pure murder.

When you tell people to consult qualified Engineers, they still remain adamant, but they want beautiful edifices, u think a mere artisan can give you a world class Engineering structure?
Proper consultation is necessary.
Look at the trusses- very poor, the load at the base of d trusses is approximately equal to dat at the tip.
Making it a poor arrangement of trusses, for such a large span of building.
Oma Se oooo...

Rather than attribute this to church inadequacy,after thorough investigation it MIT even surprise u D's kind of tin cud av hapn anywia due to unprofessionalism on d part of d engineers DAT handled d roof construction.I see incompetencies here n hoping d culprit cn b greatly punished to serve as deterrent

What are u saying, are u in dis country @ll

Ewomazinot:
Hope this structure is strong

Frankgoz:


U nailed it colleague!!!!!!! same were my analysis.

My brother, someone has to at least make some professional statements. The misleading and highly erroneous comments I was seeing here forced me to exercise a little patience to analyse the situation.

How's work over at your end?