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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 2:15pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Niflheim: The mad one is you obviously! You talked about a common ancestry. Show me that common ancestor and the genetic link that led up to th evolution from the ancestor to the common toad or frog. Giving me similarities is stupid. Your comment was on common ancestry. Prove that to me genetically and not via physical comparison between a toad and a frog. Any kid who looks at both knows they are similar. But was that your comment? Stop posting links that do not help your argument. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 2:17pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4kings: 0. yes, really. 1. I meant NOT nothing. a square circle, a dot, even an imaginary complex number is still something. Nothing is quite literally . . . Nothing. 2. time is not a necessary thing. it's just another dimension. one that has been shown to be quite malleable in the theories of relativity. if you are incapable of imagining a place without space nor time, that is not my fault. 3. @bolded which you asked me to explain: I assumed it was self-explanatory, but hey, imagine a black piece of paper. say I come to you and claim this paper will immediately become white. what will you say? the laws of physics prevent this. in other words, if not for the laws, I can claim that anything will happen and it could. I can claim that a three horned unicorn will suddenly appear. for every argument you make that this will not happen, I can make a symmetrical, yet opposite argument that it will. nothing is the ultimate fair dice. totally unpredictable because there are simply no laws or constraints. the fact is, an Almighty God is perfectly capable of coming into existence from nothing. Why not? I'm not an atheist because I think it's impossible for that to happen. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 2:18pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Seun: Why is the thread not on front-page... Didn't you think it will need more divergent submissions? Anyway thanks for your contribution BC it has validated the thread. The onus for it to be sent on front-page is on you BC we can't continue to keep mentioning people for them to make input and share. 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 2:19pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:my point flew over your head. the OP is not the only post in this thread. it is not a must for me to counter that. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 2:21pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Teempakguy: Then kindly stop derailing the thread by posting what is unrelated to it. I guess that part of Nairaland rules flew over your head as well. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 2:45pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
randomperson:Your question is not making sense to me... The sun was created on fourth day? Damn! You can't start your lay the foundation of your argument on unfounded speculation it makes your argument to be heavily flawed and useless. Restructure your argument please... and I now you are desperate to prove a point..but you gat to relax. Damn! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 2:50pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:you don't know what derail means. since you're so desperate to get a rebuttal to the OP, here you go. he bases a huge number of his points on a bizarre rule that claims something cannot come out of nothing. A rule which is literally only specific to this universe. when dealing with a preuniverse, assuming that your laws apply is a severe case of hasty generalization. something he gladly accused others of. even in this universe, patterns regularly form out of seemingly nothing. things like constellations, galactic disks and words in a babel library. he also claims that the rule of cause and effect always applies even when it doesn't do so in the quantum world. he further claims that effects always contain less information than the causes. meanwhile living things always gather more information as they interact with their environment. is he going to claim that living things are breaking the law, then? he pleads by saying living things already have information which they use to organize energy, but basic chemistry shows that complex compounds are effects of simpler causes: atoms. what information do atoms contain that allow them to do that? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Niflheim(m): 2:54pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Number 3:.................................. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3436204/ |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by randomperson: 2:57pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
dEastActivist:All these Christians that don't read their bible... Maybe if u dedicated your time to understanding you religion rather then trying to disprove evolution u will see the utter crap contained therein.... U don't know the sun was created on the fourth day? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:01pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4kings:RaphieMontella...the guy went on a vacay...and he is an agnostic polydeist too... I introduced it to him ![]() ok 4everGod:on the commencement time... Thats what half-lives are for...and they are standard... Radioactive elements have their decay constant.. And the decay ''clock'' starts ticking from the ''creation'' of the element.. isochron dating technique takes care of this... In the rock,,The amount of a different isotope of the same element as the daughter product in the decay is measured... This is done to several rocks which have a common pool of materials... A graph is then plotted to quantify the amount of the radioactive element present.... The rocks used are usually Meteorites [url=wwwtalkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD001.html]im guessing you mean ''possible contamination''..[/url] Radiometric isochron dating techniques reveal whether contamination has occurred... no...its not all the history of the rock is postulated... In uranium lead dating..it is not postulated |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:05pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:which one be read herring again? Have you become saladified? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 3:21pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
randomperson: If you had quoted the Bible already it might have gone a long way... And I basically doff my hat for your spiritual vision in labelling me a Christian, you might have seen me tell you that in the spiritual realm. God's creation has nothing to do with religion Is a study on its own very clear from each other as day and night. But if you insist it has something to do with religion, you better start telling me which religion started with creation BC is definitely not Christian which was introduced several years AD. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 3:36pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Lennycool: Lol.. still saying the same thing... If you agree the similarity doesn't mean the same... What are you then saying again.. Is so much means that there exist a significant attributes that makes one special from another. Remember God created everything and said they are beautiful. Man spoiled it. And to tell you that not only man can disobey God satan an angel did too. (Sorry to digress but my body dey hot) |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:44pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:if you mean as man being completely distinct from animals... Atavism does disprove that. Ille est;creation as depicted in the bible |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 3:45pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Niflheim: In your desperation to disprove the OP you dropped a 3rd link which is even worse than the first 2. We are talking about genetic similarities linking the toad and frog to their ancestor and how that similarity proved that they evolved from that ancestor and you are giving me a link about CLONING? How stupid is this? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 3:47pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Seun: Though it mustn't come from you. I solemnly do complain not minding that I was once an evolutionist until my arguments was proved flawed. Am now a creationist and more evolutionist like me from past and future would do same. Evolutionists or creationist are not permanent name tags but what you choose to believe which is subtle to changes. So I see no reason why one should be proud of one. Is just like someone boasting with APC or being PDP when you know those things are prone to change. #HastyGeneralization ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Ranchhoddas: 3:47pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Sorry, I was banned by the moderators on some trumped-up charges... Back to the matter... DeepSight:Logic simply put is the study of principles governing correct inference. When you begin to say things like; 'your heartbeat is proof of God' and then proceed to hurl insults at everyone who holds a contrary view one is then left to wonder how you define your own logic. Perhaps you'd do us the favour of defining logic in your own simple terms. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 3:48pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
MrMontella: Can you show us proof of this? If you re going to start telling us about Vestigial organs then forget it because those are DOA. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by DeepSight(m): 4:00pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Teempakguy: Thank you for your response. Premise two is false. It is based on a hasty generalization of conservation laws. All conservation laws only apply in this specific universe. Pray tell, how do you know this? I presume you have been to other universes and studied the laws there: for this is the only way in which you could possibly state with such conclusive and certain finality that all conservation laws only apply in this universe. If there exists a multiverse, there definitely will be universes that do not have conservation laws. Again, how do you know this sir? Care to give me the gist of your visits outside this universe? On what premise do you use the word "definitely" in your sentence here? What facts are you aware of concerning other universes that grant you this amazing certitude of what laws may or may not obtain there? I think you misunderstand the concept of Nothing. Take outer space. It is not nothing. it contains a so called dark energy that keeps it from collapsing and in fact expands it. it obeys laws and updates itself at the speed of light. even though it seems to be nothing. No sir: you presume: I do not misunderstand any concept of "Nothing" - nor have I ever anywhere suggested or inferred that outer-space is nothingness - so please do not attribute that to me. If anything in the past I have argued extensively that there is no such thing as nothingness or nothing anywhere in existence. It does not exist at all. Nothingness is just that - "no-thing" and as such by very definition there is no such thing as nothing or nothingness. All that exists are " something" or "somethings". It is for this very reason that we say that something may not arise from nothing: because there is no "nothing" in the first place. I hope you thoroughly absorb this point. It is thus not only the causal argument that causes us to hold that something may not arise from nothing. It is this very fact which I have asserted above that is the deeper and more stark reason: namely that there is no "nothing" in the first place: and therefore the statement cannot even arise at all. Imagne a single dimension. a single dot. all of this is nothing. It is not nothing. Even a dot or a single dimension is something. In nothing, there is no time or space, there is no concept of anything. the human mind is quite incapable of imagining nothing because it cannot normally imagine anything with dimensions lesser than two or more than four. That is because there is no such thing as nothing. You cannot even use the phrase "in nothing" as you have done here because that suggests that there is some existence of a sort "within" what you call nothing. There cannot be anything "in" nothing because there is no such thing as nothing at all. Hence, if you consider the concept of Nothing, you must quickly realize that any concept of "Must" and "cannot" are meaningless because in Nothing, there are no laws, no rules, everything is possible. How do you leap to the strange conclusion that everything is possible "in nothing"? ? ? This is a most bizarre and illogical statement from you. By definition, nothingness does not exist. It is "no thing". How do you then contradict this by stating that everything is possible in "no thing"? Do you note the severe and inescapable contradiction between the words "everything" and "nothing"? Does this help you recognize what an insurmountable and contradictory absurdity you have set up? Therefore, to observe Nothing and say Something cannot come from nothing is a capital mistake You cannot observe "nothing". Please show me where you have ever observed nothing before. This makes your statement here nonsensical, sorry. because Nothing is the exact sort of thing that can produce anything simply because there are NO rules or limitations. Have a look at this sentence of yours again. You contradict yourself and you contradict the very word "nothing" by calling it something. You write: "because Nothing is the exact sort of thing . . . " Stop right there. How is "no-thing" a "thing"? Because One of your premises is faulty, your whole argument is questionable You have not shown that the premise was faulty, as I have shown you above. and an infinite regress immediately arises. in order to solve this, you Invented a concept of self-existent objects. I have not invented any concept of self existent things. Self-existent things are a fact. No one can invent or un-invent them. I did not invent infinite time or infinite space. They self exist whether you like it or not and no matter how strenously you may deny their existence. Any object can and will create itself if there are no laws to prevent it. Can you justify this absurd statement? Have you ever observed this happen before? Are you aware that it is even impossible to make this statement given the points I have made on the non-existence of nothingness above? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:00pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:prove he quoted against evolution... Stop lying abeg... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 4:01pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Evolution again ![]() Please if you don't have a Nobel prize for debunking two centuries worth of research then shut the fukk up 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 4:02pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Seun: Sorry to say, but I didn't see sense in what you are making.. There is no correlation at all. Evolution hasn't answered 1% of how the earth works let alone human... Quite shameful. I was brainwashed in my secondary school all thanks to Charles Darwin. I just wish he can comeback to life right now ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dEastActivist: 4:08pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Niflheim: Please we have what is called taxonomy in biology... Taxonomy helps to solve your problem which I can attribute to ignorance... take a look at it at your leisure. We can't be troubling and wasting time on something irrelevant as that. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:09pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:what lies are you breeding? Genes cannot be added to existing genes? And yet the E.coli evolved new genes to enable it digest citrate? Pls stop abeg! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:09pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:the geneticist who accept evolution nkooo? What then happens to their views? And you accuse someone of logical fallacies? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 4:11pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
benzics:lol These guys don't know that evolution is quite easy to debunk But unfortunately for them it's gone too far |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 4:11pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
MrMontella: Are you ready to read the OP now and refute it instead of jumping on comments outside the OP |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:11pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Seun:a copied article and he says ''he exposed it as a fraud''.. And yet the real owners of the article have not won anything! Not even part or half-recognition! 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:12pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4kings:they are accurate to a reliable extent 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:12pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4kings:Thank You! Finally you saw my point on ''Time''.. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:13pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Seun:chimpanezeenistic god ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 4:13pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
MrMontella: A copied article? If it is a sham can you go on ahead and show us how much of a sham it is? Go ahead! Your geriatrics are meaningless if you do not organize them. |
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