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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 4:58pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:04pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:i dont see how evolution violates the First law of thermodynamics.. Its you who got it all wrong... A cause of evolution is survival.... the survival instincts imbedded in every living thing.. Survival is where Natural selection takes its ''shelter'' from.. And not a simple life-form or something.. This rubbish assestment of yours is based on a flawed understanding of the law of thermodynamics... Nature constantly creates complex ''effects'' from simpler ''causes'' or as you may put it---an increase in the usuable energy... a mature tomato plant(complex) has more usable energy than the seed(simple) it grew from.. can you please explain to me how life itself does not violate the second law of thermodynamics if evolution does? The universe is expanding,therefore its maximum entropy is also increasing And More order is being seen...so therefore,,how can you still expect life to be a closed isolated system? Cc 4everGod damogul Kingebukasblog Anas09 ambasssgod jonbellion 4kings Deepsight |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:05pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:thats what it is... The rational behind it is that ''little drops of water make a mighty ocean'' [size=18pt][b]so you agree that EVOLUTION IS A FACT[/size] what else am i doing on this thread then? this is a fat lie you know... Speciation has been observed a number of times... For Speciation to occur..large changes must have happened...Ergo;Macro Evolution. speciation Go to 5.0 in this page speciation
Evolution actually meets the two conditions.. E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment Nature.com;Fruit flies its even been currently observed in a [url=news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs/]lizard[/url] which overtime can lead to a new specie... Cc 4everGod damogul Kingebukasblog Anas09 ambasssgod jonbellion 4kings Deepsight |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:05pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:this is based on a wrong understanding of both the BBT and the LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS... 1)The universe is expanding...and its maximum entropy is also increasing.. 2)the law of thermodynamics applies to only closed isolated systems....The universe cannot be a closed system if its entropy is increasing..ille est;expansion of the universe.. Many misconceptions in your post Thats what a singularity is.. So i dont understand your claim... The BBT Simply states; in the initial stages of the universe...it was more dense,hot and smaller as opposed to a present less dense,coool and ever increasing size.. pls can you explain to everybody here...how a singularity means Nothing... Also the big bang doesnt say about the creation of the universe...it only says [color=blue]''how the present universe came to be'' i dont know where you get your ideas from...but the big bang theory never said ''In the beginning Nothing expanded into something''... Please get facts right before criticism.. Cc 4everGod damogul Kingebukasblog Anas09 ambasssgod jonbellion 4kings Deepsight |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:05pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:conclusively your assertions are baseless... I dont know what you're talking about Mutations being always harmful.. please provide concrete evidence for his statement...nevertheless... Your lie that they aren't any transitional fossils is alarming and shocking... What then is the Archeopteryx? Or the Homo Neanderthals? Transitional fossils may coexist with gaps. Are you expecting to find finely detailed sequences of fossils lasting for millions of years? Is Fossilization that simple? [url=talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html]There are too many] transitional fossils...[/url] The National Center For Science Education,US confirms the existence of Transitional Fossils... https://ncse.com/book/export/html/1764 I dont know where you're getting your gibberish claims and lies from...But the Evolution of Whales is one of the [url=talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part2b.html#ceta]Most documented..[/url] Am guessing you mean the pakicetus?? Well sorry to bust your excitement.....its full fossils were used in its re-construction...thats an outdated claim.. 1[b]Where is there the slightest bit of evidence that cosmic rays or neutrinos do affect decay rates?[/b] 2 Radiation high enough to affect nuclear decay rates by several orders of magnitude would sterilize the planet. 3 In nuclear power generators,Neutrino radiation is intense...but the decay of radioactive elements are not intefered with.. Scientists have generally surmised that the ratio of these isotopes has remained constant in the atmosphere.Multiple radiometric methods are used to [url=talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD001.html]''confirm''[/url] the dates...even non radiometric methods are used to calibrate the C-14 dating 90% of your article/thread is just noise...notes upon notes with no objective points raised all i see here are forms of appeal to emotions and appeal to ridicules.. Cc 4everGod damogul Kingebukasblog Anas09 ambasssgod jonbellion 4kings Deepsight |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by DeepSight(m): 5:06pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod: What is so tiring is how these folk are in the habit of saying that they have "addressed" or "thrashed out" an issue (such as evolution for example) whereas in fact they have only ever provided hot air. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 5:11pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:I think you get something wrong.evolution isn't implying that life is becoming increasingly complex it only says that natural selection allows genes to be passed on and different characteristics hence preserved.Life does not violate the second law of thermodynamics in strict energetic sense. Stop using this second law of thermodynamics nonsense. With this warped view and misunderstanding of thermodynamics aren't you a violation of the second law yourself ![]() Don't you grow ![]() Do you realise if the law was applied to God then God would have to die ![]() Let us suppose that there actually were some process in nature which violated the second law of thermodynamics. Is that any reason to suppose that intelligent designers are responsible? This is why I don't take anti evolution threads seriously. 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 5:14pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DeepSight: Amazing isnt it? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 5:16pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
jonbellion: So the 2nd law of thermodynamics is nonsense? The law oc cause and effect is nonsense? The 1st law of thermodynamics is nonsense? Do you think the laws were treated in isolation in the OP? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 5:22pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:that's not what I said I'm saying the creationist analogy is wrong Heck you were even comparing evolution to social Darwinism- a warped philosophical view of evolution that Darwin never brought up and you're looking for someone to refute it Why ![]() 1 Like
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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 5:37pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
jonbellion: lmao this dude did not read the OP. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 5:45pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:I started I didn't finish I already saw you making creationist assumptions all over again 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 5:47pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
jonbellion: So i was right that you did not read the OP lmao |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 5:50pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DeepSight:calling my statements absurd only show that you are incapable of understanding the logic behind them. and the bolded part shows you making unsubstantiated claims. I'll give this another try. this time, let us not say nothing, but instead, a preuniversal void. the main postulate of the multiverse hypothesis is that there abound an infinite number of universes with their own specific laws and rules. in other words, every possible thing that can exist does exist in the universe that allows it to do so. now, there is no proof that the theory is true, it might be false. if it is false, then my earlier statement holds. since this is the only universe that exists, the so called conservation laws only apply here. if it is true, then my earlier statements equally hold. as no other universe has been observed, and since every possible combination exists, a universe without conservation laws must be included. the point of this exercise is demonstrate that if you say that the universe couldn't have created itself because something cannot come out of nothing, you are wrong because there is no evidence that the law that prevents things from popping into existence holds in whatever place the universe came from. I then philosophically analyzed this . . . place. the so called void that existed before the universe did. this void would have no laws. if it did, then we would need another void which produced it and so on until we got to a point where what exists is nothing. since nothing exists, it might as well keep existing, however, why should it? it doesn't possess a conservation law to keep it going. it doesn't possess any property that prevents it from being destroyed, so why should it continue to exist? that is the question that immediately leads to the conclusion that a true (preuniversal) void is self-prohibiting. my last statement summarized everything. in case my arguments still don't make sense to you, try to answer the below questions logically. "If there is nothing to prevent something from existing, why should it not begin to exist? if there is nothing to keep something existing, why should it continue to exist?" the answer to the above questions should clear up your confusion. 2 Likes |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 5:54pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DeepSight:I have seen and have addressed the mental gymnastics you displayed there. Don't call yourself a philosopher if you're going to commit fallacy of personal incredulity all over the place. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 5:57pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod:did I say you were wrong There's a difference between "I didn't start atall" And "I started but didn't finish" |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 6:00pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
jonbellion: So why make any comment when you did not finish the piece. Or did you not see this at the beginning? This expose takes a look at this issue of evolution, showing that there is a lot more to the story than what is generally said and commonly taught everywhere. After laying a truthful foundation and building up on it, you will see that the theory of evolution falls flat o its face, and that the confusing series of explanations, definitions and suppositions supporting it are weak and lack depth. Each part builds upon the last, and the entire series should be read to understand the fullest picture and the vital implications that flow from its conclusions. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrPresident1: 6:03pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Mathew 25:15 15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; To one he gave five talents of understanding, to another he gave two, to another he gave one. All you atheists, do you have the same level of knowledge of atheism? Some are infected with the more virulent strains of atheism that tends toward satanism. Others are just fair weather atheists. Still others are fly by night atheists. Do they all have the same level of crase? ![]() 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 6:10pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by benzics(m): 6:20pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DeepSight: ![]() So this same logic told you that oh yes, there is an energy that makes one alive and therefore it must have been created by a God? If I may ask, this living energy is it only possessed by humans, or both humans and animals? So you are basically saying that this energy MUST have been created by God, and COULD NOT have come by chance? Unless humans are wiser than the gods, here is a scientist who brought a dead, decapitated dog back to life, NOTE: not by praying, but by scientific study, and no God revealed anything to him during his study.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub7l1D7_B2I Let me see you saying that the scientist is "god in human flesh"... @ambassagod seriously? How could a dull person like you have ended up in this thread? @Anas01 your case is strong though. @4evergod so your reasons for dodging questions is that they derail the op? Even if threads were opened for those questions am still sure you'll dodge the question, just like the thread I mentioned you and your gang KingEbukasBlog, none of you answered.. And you expect us to answer? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by DeepSight(m): 6:23pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Teempakguy: Everything you wrote collapses because it assumes the existence of nothingness - or a void. And I have shown you that that is impossible: no such thing as nothing or nothingness exists, can exist or has ever existed. Your statement is therefore dead on arrival. There is no void in existence nor can there be. Indeed, in the only example some have used to attempt to force the possibility of something existing from nothing - which is the case of virtual particles in a quantum vacuum - that very case fails because it has been shown that quantum vacuums are not perfect vacuums: they contain gaseous pressure. No perfect vacuum exists anywhere. Thus all that you have written remains absurd nonsense, sorry. You have a long way to go before you would be fit to actually discuss any philosophy. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrPresident1: 6:26pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
4everGod: Actually, I do believe in evolution, it is a very logical explanation of how life began. Adam and Eve are not the first mankind that God created, they are the first MAN that God created. Mankind was created without the law of God, but Adam is the first of mankind who received the laws of God which made him the god and king of all mankind. THE FIRST MAN. The story of Adam and Eve is only 6,000 years old, the earth is over a million years old, and there was mankind before Man (Adam). I have no part with the mental condition called atheism however. How can you look at the beauty, order, harmony and symphony of the universe and conclude confidently and cockily that it all rather un-ordered, un-created, without motive or purpose, and therefore infinitely useless? How can you describe yourself and confidently believe same that you are a worthless piece of accidental protoplasm? That in my honest submission, is crase Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by DeepSight(m): 6:32pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
benzics: God is the sum of all primordial living energy itself and everything alive is an emanation of that primordial energy. If I may ask, this living energy is it only possessed by humans, or both humans and animals? I said - everything alive. This not only includes animals, it even extends to plants and entire worlds. So you are basically saying that this energy MUST have been created by God, and COULD NOT have come by chance? I am saying that God is the energy itself. And no, nothing arises by chance. Unless humans are wiser than the gods, here is a scientist who brought a dead, decapitated dog back to life, NOTE: not by praying, but by scientific study, and no God revealed anything to him during his study.. I don't know how this is relevant, and I don't see how prayer arises in this discussion. I have not said anything about prayer. All scientific work is profitable to the world so long as it is used positively. All humans are gods in the flesh, your scientist inclusive. I don't see the relevance of your deranged rambling and epileptic foaming at the mouth. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Niflheim(m): 6:42pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
"All humans are god in the flesh"................................Does that include autistic children and those born with down syndrome? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 6:44pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DeepSight:you are still making unsubstantiated claims. I can't hold a meaningful discussion in this state. here is a list of the things you have claimed. 1. the law that something cannot come out of nothing holds true in every case. 2. it is impossible for a preuniversal void to exist. 3. eternity must exist. 4. infinite space must exist. 5. no perfect vacuum exists anywhere. Ironically, the second claim is similar to mine. only I have a logical foundation for my version whereas you just declare that it is true, while simultaneously rejecting my arguments which actually support that claim. You are required to back up the 5 claims you made up there with actual logic or I must declare that you are confused. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 6:46pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
DeepSight:LOL . . . ? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 6:48pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Niflheim: Why specifically pick out autistic children and those with downs syndrome? Are you perfect in every way? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 6:50pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Meanwhile can we all come back to the Topic please? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by ambassagod: 7:02pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
jonbellion: I once called you a DING-DUMB boy. Looking at what you wrote up there, you just confirmed and upgraded it. Kudos. First of all, what is the meaning of God in a simple sentence ? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by DeepSight(m): 7:06pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
Teempakguy: You really are quite piece of work. Unsubstantiated claims? I am not the one who claims that nothing can exist and also says that everything can happen in nothing. I say the reverse: which is manifestly true and sound: that no such thing as nothingness exists. Please tell me where you have observed nothingness. Interestingly in your first revert you even talked about "observing nothingness!" Pray sire, do help us attain this wonderful state of elevation of the mind in which we can "observe" nothing! here is a list of the things you have claimed. Of course. And the question cannot even arise about it in the first place as there is no such thing as nothing. 2. it is impossible for a preuniversal void to exist. Of course again. And again the question cannot even arise about it in the first place as there is no such thing as nothing. . eternity must exist. Go ahead: stop it if you can. 4. infinite space must exist. Go ahead: limit it if you can. 5. no perfect vacuum exists anywhere. Of course none does. This is a fact. Contradict it logically if you can. Also show us the perfect vacuum you have been privileged to observe sir. 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by ambassagod: 7:08pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
jonbellion: you see why I said you upgraded your ding dumbness?? where did I make such a claim as you as quoted? the dumb nonsense you wrote up there is ENTIRELY OPPOSITE towards my view on God-view. you just faked up a delusion and now trying hard to pin me to it, which is not even working. just swerve out biko. 2 Likes |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Gombs(m): 7:11pm On Dec 13, 2016 |
HardMirror: This should earn you an Oscar in dim-wittedness 1 Like |
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