Olu317:
You know nothing about History. If Afonja wasn't a great physical and spiritual warrior,how come his name is forever in the mindsets of ILORIN YORUBAs and the rest of Yoruba Race even the Abdusallam whose mother was Yoruba which is not even important . Little do you know.Do you know how Emir Momoh died? Ilorin was recreated by the British Empire in 1895/1896 after the British defeated the Ilorin Army commanders who were the Baloguns who made the Emir their puppet. Irrespective of Afonja rebellion,he remained unshaven even unto death. That was A GREAT WARRIOR.

LordAdam7:


How can you say the official languages of the Aro confederacy were Igbo, Ibibio, Ijaw, Delta Ibo, Urhobo, Isoko, Itsekiri?

Have you lost your mind?

The Aros never went pass Igboland. They didn't have the military strength nor the machinery to enact such invasions or influence.

And all of the languages except Igbo and Delta Ibo (which is an aberration in itself because Delta Ibo is not a language) you mentioned there were not spoken in historic Igboland.

So you can stuff all the gibberish you wrote in a place where the sun does not shine.

Many more Igbo clans other than the Aros had influence on the non-Igboid ethnicities east of the Niger. But west of the Niger, the influence stopped at present day Delta North Senatorial zone. And even then the influence was solely based on language and cultural similarities, it was nothing like the vassal states in the old Bini or Oyo Empire.

The Igbos are republican. And personally, I don't think you guys have to give excuses as to why you guys didn't fight baseless intra-tribal wars and establish a mammoth tribal country like the Yoruba country or Bini country. But it borders on insanity to say that there was anything in pre-Independence Igbo land that rivaled the Oyo or Bini Empire in the West of the Niger or the Sokoto Caliphate, numerous Emirates in the North (such as the Kano Emirate) or the Bornu Empire in the North.

-Lord

deji15:


The Aro Confederacy has trading partners beyond the Igbo land. They sold millions of Igbos to the Ijaws and others. So they interacted beyond Igbo land.
Apart from this, I think we are on the same page on the primitiveness of the Igbo people and lack of any history to be proud of. That was my point to the guy that I replied to. If you take time to follow the conversation, you will understand why I posted this

LordAdam7:


How can you say the official languages of the Aro confederacy were Igbo, Ibibio, Ijaw, Delta Ibo, Urhobo, Isoko, Itsekiri?

Have you lost your mind?

The Aros never went pass Igboland. They didn't have the military strength nor the machinery to enact such invasions or influence.

And all of the languages except Igbo and Delta Ibo (which is an aberration in itself because Delta Ibo is not a language) you mentioned there were not spoken in historic Igboland.

So you can stuff all the gibberish you wrote in a place where the sun does not shine.

Many more Igbo clans other than the Aros had influence on the non-Igboid ethnicities east of the Niger. But west of the Niger, the influence stopped at present day Delta North Senatorial zone. And even then the influence was solely based on language and cultural similarities, it was nothing like the vassal states in the old Bini or Oyo Empire.

The Igbos are republican. And personally, I don't think you guys have to give excuses as to why you guys didn't fight baseless intra-tribal wars and establish a mammoth tribal country like the Yoruba country or Bini country. But it borders on insanity to say that there was anything in pre-Independence Igbo land that rivaled the Oyo or Bini Empire in the West of the Niger or the Sokoto Caliphate, numerous Emirates in the North (such as the Kano Emirate) or the Bornu Empire in the North.

-Lord

LordAdam7:


I was just correcting statements I felt were inaccurate.

I tend to do that regardless of the reason behind the post.

I hope you understand.

-Lord

naijalander:
After Ilorin fell to Ibadan, it became subject to Ibadan. There has never been any real proof that Ilorin was completely subject to the Caliph at Sokoto.

deji15:


You felt I guess you are entitled to that and I am entitled to how "I feel" as well. Yes, I do understand but do not agree with you.

obiageIi:
I'm so much enjoying this, how i wish this rich history will hit the cinemas someday, i am an addict of history film, Korean mostly. Reading this write up, all i can think of is the costume

LordAdam7:


Maybe this would derail the thread, but can you prove that the languages you mentioned aside Igbo and Delta Igbo (again it is not a language) were the languages of the Aro confederacy?

Let's start from there.

-Lord

deji15:


I believe the confusion is coming from the meanining of the word confederacy. How do you think the Aro's were able to sell millions of Igbos to the Ijaws and the Cross river allies without the presence and influence on the part of the Aro's?

1kinggy:


Thisis a matter of perspectives. Reminds me of Olugbo's stand on Moremi.
Someone's hero is another's villain.

According to a writer: History of nations is biography of certain men. And I dare to add, from writers point of view.

LordAdam7:


Are you saying influence is necessary for trade?

Because I can call out a million examples to debunk that assertion.

Or maybe, we should hold this discussion until naijalander is through with his posts.

I'm anticipating his next post.

-Lord

deji15:


The Aro Confederacy has trading partners beyond the Igbo land. They sold millions of Igbos to the Ijaws and others. So they interacted beyond Igbo land.
Apart from this, I think we are on the same page on the primitiveness of the Igbo people and lack of any history to be proud of. That was my point to the guy that I replied to. If you take time to follow the conversation, you will understand why I posted this

RedboneSmith:


Primitive and history-less because they did not fight senseless wars of conquest and did not try to extort money from weaker peoples in that brutal arrangement called 'states' and 'empires'?

In your narrow sense of reasoning, 'history' only exists under imperialistic conditions abi? See yourself?

dEastActivist:

Lol.. I need to leave it to those that specialises on that field whom I have great respect for like somebody like Onwuka, you should agree with me that I need to engage myself more on things that should relate to my discipline which here is computer science.
Having said all that, I can get you link as I can't start derailing this treachery exposé of a thread called some people's history.

deji15:


The more reason the Aro kidnapped fellow Igbo and sold them to the Ijaws and to the trans atlantic slavery mission. What imperialistic condition is worse than that?

DaFlash:


WHO IS THIS IDIOT THAT KEEP SPAMMING THIS BEAUTIFUL THREAD WITH HIS/HER STUPIDITY.

I THINK THE MODS ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB WELL

RedboneSmith:


Oh the point was lost on you. But it's okay.

RedboneSmith:


Oh the point was lost on you. But it's okay.

Aigbofa:


Funny guy, I would do exactly what you are doing right now if the only thing memorable about my history was a bunch of savages running wild and hunting each other for food.

Well people can really do same thing which cause was from different cases...
People can end up mad out of Sango visitation.
People can equally end up mad out of natural cause
People can equally end up mad out of inhibition of strange brain defective chemicals.

Noblecx:


Well people can really do same thing which cause was from different cases...
People can end up mad out of Sango visitation.
People can equally end up mad out of natural cause
People can equally end up mad out of inhibition of strange brain defective chemicals.

tunene66:


Ilorin being in the Northern region might be a proof that there was a special tie with Sokoto. Abdulsalami son of Alimi was given a flag from Gwandu (the western empire of the Sokoto Caliphate). According to research done by Abdullahi Smith, a one time Professor of History ABU n Director Arewa House Kaduna, there is a letter in Gwandu written in 1829 from the Emir of the West(Gwandu) to the Emir of the Yoruba(Ilorin) Abdulsalami

vicadex07:



deastactivist... you have been banned abi...

obiageIi:
I'm so much enjoying this, how i wish this rich history will hit the cinemas someday, i am an addict of history film, Korean mostly. Reading this write up, all i can think of is the costume

Noblecx:

If He is banned, how is He responding? It shows that you can ban a handle but you can't ban the person. The whole the thing circles in a loop rendering ban useless.

naijalander:
Yes there is a letter. However it does not explicitly say 'come and be king over us at Ilorin' It was a call for help against the pagans bullying them. The flag symbolizes Sokoto overlordship over the muslims of Ilorin, not the pagans.