agrovick:


Watch him twist out of this one, egbon na catfish. He no dey die easy.

BTW, How come Ballack couldn't drag Germany out of the group stage during Euro 2004. One of their matches happened to be a goalless draw with LATVIA?

cc A40, Raumdeuter

Dayo na Obj son.....him dey well skilled and trained to find a way out of tight angles. Na tortoise,catfish and cat mixed into one naim uncle D be....

A40:

Where was Lampard when Ballack was dragging the likes of Carsten Ramelow to World Cup and CL Finals

Its easy to bully when you are surrounded by more talent. Let's list Chelsea squad in that match and compare to Bayern's

You are making noise about Ballack dragging Ramelow past USA and South Korea then claiming he was bullied by Lampard cos he had inferior teammates.

Oya list that Bayern and Chelsea team that faced each other, lets see whether Bayern don't end up with half of the combined 11.

I want to know whether Gallas is better than Lucio, whether Glen Johnson is better than Sagnol, whether Wayne Bridge is better than Lizarazu, whether Duff is better than Ze Roberto, whether Tiago is better than Schweisteiger or whether Gudjohnsen is better than Ballack. God forbid you tell us John Terry is better than any of the Bayern defenders

List em modaphucka!

Why is Mourinho obsessed with Us.?

Conte has never mentioned Mourinho or United in his presser before. What is Mou's problem?

I don't wanna disrespect the greatest manager in our history.

A40:

This is megedefegede.

Ballack is a versatile bad man who dropped back so stats hog Lampard can take the glory. Nothing wrong with that. Ballack dragged the likes of Jens Nowotny, Carsten Ramelow and co. to World cup and CL Finals. What does he have to prove to a Lampard who was struggling to get past Skrtel and co at almost 30. Never mind at country level.

Ballack merely had the unique misfortune of not being born 5 years later to play with a more talented German side otherwise who born Lampard?

Your post is so full of dung, first paragraph you talk of Ballack dragging club and country to the Finals like he was the only one doing the job yes he might have been the best player of the team(arguably) but stop making it look like those others were complete shit. For Germany he had Kahn, klose to support him for leverkusen those two men you mentioned up there were the core of the defence that helped leverkusen to the final infact but for injury nowotny and ramelow would have also been the core of the defence for Germany in that WC Liverpool and Manchester United, not to mention the likes neuville, schneider, Basturk(part of the Turkey team that placed third at the Wc) all this guys impress for the team they were just unlucky to meet a better team same for both German and leverkusen team and in my digging i discovered that it was thanks to Ballack own goal that made them lose the league title they could have won to Bayern. So bro Ballack didn’t do anything out of the ordinary but i agree he was the best performer for both club and country.

pamcode:
in my digging i discovered that it was thanks to Ballack own goal that made them lose the league title they could have won to Bayern.

Ballack was a great player but he musta been cursed from his village.

So you mean he is the reason Leverkusens name was changed to Neverkusen?

agrovick:


Watch him twist out of this one, egbon na catfish. He no dey die easy.

BTW, How come Ballack couldn't drag Germany out of the group stage during Euro 2004. One of their matches happened to be a goalless draw with LATVIA?

cc A40, Raumdeuter

No player can have a 100% big tournament record. Buffon, Ramos, Pirlo all went to tournaments and didn't pass group stage. Even Lampard himself. And it is even more understandable when the only other player that is world class in your squad is the GOALKEEPER. Still on still that did not stop Ballack from a World Cup and Euro Final while Lampard as usual with a star studded squad could not smell semi final. He along with England even failed to qualify for the Euros at a point.

Abeg Lampard na one of the few English products I respect. Pass Gerrard and maybe even Scholes. That one no mean say una go come use that one dey disrespect a senior man like Ballack

A40:
I no know when N.ihilist turn my P.R.O/Media Manager wey e dey speak for me


Andres Iniesta. Productive does not make you best. Jay Z has the highest Number 1 albums but I doubt most rap purists have him as the #1 rapper.

Man U fan should not be questioning Iniesta. His greatness encompasses Spain and Barca. Of course there were years he won awards he didn't deserve but if you watch Euro 08, 2012 and the CL Finals against you lot, you would understand why he is better than Lampard and why it took ninjas like Ballack without the gaudiest of stats to help Lampard smell a CL Final. Which brings me to the next ninja

Michael Ballack. How unlucky can one human being get. Its not just that he helped his teams to multiple Finals for club and country. Its the lack of talent he had to work with to get that far. Ibime seems fixated on club records so let me fixate on country where Ballack with 8 fewer caps scored 13 more goals. Bear in mind over 30% of Lampard's goals as usual came from the spot

Leading his team to CL, Euro and World Cup Finals. Is it beans?

Make I smoke some Tical bring up some more

For the first paragraph I agree Iniesta is a better player that lampard overall If it is about performance, titles, awards, technique,Iniesta is lampard Master and Saviour.
But for the Second part bro I solemnly disagree lampard was Ballack master. Agreed in terms of skills, technique they are quite close but then the only time they faced each other lampard came out on Top when they were in the same team Lampard was in the front of him in the pecking order in terms of performance lampard outlived and outperformed him. I read your post up there saying it was thanks to Ballack that lamps made a UCL final, I laugh in ljesha dialect because your post lacks merit in the fact that lamps bossed that final and even made another UCL final and won without Ballack.

pamcode:
For the first paragraph I agree Iniesta is a better player that lampard overall If it is about performance, titles, awards, technique,Iniesta is lampard Master and Saviour.

How is iniesta lampards master in terms of performance?

Ibime:


Ballack was a great player but he musta been cursed from his village.

So you mean he is the reason Leverkusens name was changed to Neverkusen?

I dey tell you na him Raumdeuter suppose give the title walking badluck. He was the one that made leverkusen lose the league title they could have won, in UCL and WC he met his masters that sent denied him of his glory. In Chelsea the season Manchester United defeated us in russia all the Finals(euro 2008,Ucl 2008, League Cup 2008) he played with us and Germany and in that year we(and he) lost, the only one he didn't play i.e fa cup final( in which lamps provided the assist to the goal that Drogba scored) we won that. I dey suspect say na him koba Terry sef cos till today i still don't understand the way Terry slipped on the floor it wasnt ordinary my brother.

pamcode:
I dey tell you na him Raumdeuter suppose give the title walking badluck. He was the one that made leverkusen lose the league title they could have won, in UCL and WC he met his masters that sent denied him of his glory. In Chelsea the season Manchester United defeated us in russia all the Finals(euro 2008,Ucl 2008, League Cup 2008) he played with us and Germany and in that year we(and he) lost, the only one he didn't play i.e fa cup final( in which lamps provided the assist to the goal that Drogba scored) we won that. I dey suspect say na him koba Terry sef cos till today i still don't understand the way Terry slipped on the floor it wasnt ordinary my brother.

I would not it put it past Ballacks dibia to tie Terrys destiny that day.

diggz:


How is iniesta lampards master in terms of performance?

Ha Bros i no fit lie bro Iniesta is Lamps master o. UCL Finals against Man utd it was him and Xavi that did the midfield magic, Euro 2008,2012 it was Iniesta and Xavi, WC final in south Africa it was him and Xavi. Bro the control he and Xavi had over the world for both country and club cannot be over rated or over-emphasied and not even lamps could match it. Let us give honour to whom honour is due i remembered at that time if you wanted to troll Messi suporters in arguments you would say without Iniesta and Xavi Messi is nothing. I say again Iniesta is lampard lord and personal Saviour as far football is concerned.

pamcode:
Your post is so full of dung, first paragraph you talk of Ballack dragging club and country to the Finals like he was the only one doing the job yes he might have been the best player of the team(arguably) but stop making it look like those others were complete shit. For Germany he had Kahn, klose to support him for leverkusen those two men you mentioned up there were the core of the defence that helped leverkusen to the final infact but for injury nowotny and ramelow would have also been the core of the defence for Germany in that WC Liverpool and Manchester United, not to mention the likes neuville, schneider, Basturk(part of the Turkey team that placed third at the Wc) all this guys impress for the team they were just unlucky to meet a better team same for both German and leverkusen team and in my digging i discovered that it was thanks to Ballack own goal that made them lose the league title they could have won to Bayern. So bro Ballack didn’t do anything out of the ordinary but i agree he was the best performer for both club and country.

Bros you just dey yarn opaks. Which one player can drag a team to anything? Cool down Captain Obvious. The Klose you are talking about vanished after the first round. Germany didn't get to the Final because of Klose so kill that noise will ya?

Ramelow also played at the World Cup so stop correcting megedefegede. I have been following the German national team over 2 decades no be today.

Nobody said Ballack did it all by himself so I don't know why simple English is making you nauseous. What I said is Ballack did it with a lot less resources. For club and country

A40:

Lampard was a great player no doubt (Bayern were shyte that year btw) but when someone comes to tell us he was an elite AM in 2002 and even 2003 when Chelsea were still getting sonned by Viking of Norway then kasala go burst. As bad as he was he still did next to nothing at country level. High premium should also be placed on International footie. Life does not begin and end in the EPL

The bolded above sums up everything about the comparing Ballack to his Master lampard- shyte. Right from the horses mouth.

pamcode:
Ha Bros i no fit lie bro Iniesta is Lamps master o. UCL Finals against Man utd it was him and Xavi that did the midfield magic, Euro 2008,2012 it was Iniesta and Xavi, WC final in south Africa it was him and Xavi. Bro the control he and Xavi had over the world for both country and club cannot be over rated or over-emphasied and not even lamps could match it. Let us give honour to whom honour is due i remembered at that time if you wanted to troll Messi suporters in arguments you would say without Iniesta and Xavi Messi is nothing. I say again Iniesta is lampard lord and personal Saviour as far football is concerned.

Oga be not be deceived pls.....Performance is not a one time thing and is usually sampled over a particular period of time. Unless dayo who started the useless performing in big stages comesback here to take back his words, we will have to right off players like messi, giggs ,scholes,vidic ,ballack, nedved,etc .

I refuse to except dayos bossing/beasting of finals as a yardstick to judge players.

I will never except a situation whereby I am told, I could pass 500level only, fail from 100 to 400 level and still graduate with a first class from uni.

Bruv, you want to compare lampards vs iniesta performance, yeah? Do it holistically...... Thank you.

Arguments everywhere ..

dyabman:
Arguments everywhere ..

A40:

Bros you just dey yarn opaks. Which one player can drag a team to anything? Cool down Captain Obvious. The Klose you are talking about vanished after the first round. Germany didn't get to the Final because of Klose so kill that noise will ya?

Ramelow also played at the World Cup so stop correcting megedefegede. I have been following the German national team over 2 decades no be today.

Nobody said Ballack did it all by himself so I don't know why simple English is making you nauseous. What I said is Ballack did it with a lot less resources. For club and country

I respect your experience bro but i found fault in your post that was why I quote you because by using the word dragged you are implying that other team mates were just passengers doing nothing or next to nothing in those tournament i proved that wasn't so. Team efforts win trophies bro in the group stages Klose was the stand out, in the knockout Ballack was the stand out, throughout the tournament Kahn was superb. That team on it own were decent enough to win IMO they were just unlucky to meet the superior. In 2006 world cup that germany lost at semis weren't there talent in that team? Or was it another bunch of useless players.
For leverkusen the team was decent enough to win just unlucky to meet a superior - madrid. The only players in this world that can claim that without them their team wouldn't have reached the level of success it achieve would be Messi, Iniesta, Xavi and even that can still be argued. Being the best performer in the team doesn't equal to 'dragging' a team to success, get that fact right bro.

diggz:


Oga be not be deceived pls.....Performance is not a one time thing and is usually sampled over a particular period of time. Unless dayo who started the useless performing in big stages comesback here to take back his words, we will have to right off players like messi, giggs ,scholes,vidic ,ballack, nedved,etc .

I refuse to except dayos bossing/beasting of finals as a yardstick to judge players.

I will never except a situation whereby I am told, I could pass 500level only, fail from 100 to 400 level and still graduate with a first class from uni.

Bruv, you want to compare lampards vs iniesta performance, yeah? Do it holistically...... Thank you.

I agree with you but if you look at Iniesta case you would see that 'one time thing' cannot be used in regards to Iniesta at all.

Where's dayo o make hin come gimme my Xmas present

Very useless argument, "drag", "beast" wtf is that in football that comprises of 11 players.
Sentiments and hatred brought about all this irrelevant "yarns" in football matters.

pamcode:
I agree with you but if you look at Iniesta case you would see that 'one time thing' cannot be used in regards to Iniesta at all.

You cannot wait till every 2years or 4years to beast a final after failing to do same consistently over a season or more leading to the competition.

Or we all should place goatze ahead of messi since he breasted a world cup final by scoring the most important goal(according to dayo).

Na drag be the new one now?

E come be like say na tug of war them dey argue about, not football

pamcode:

But for the Second part bro I solemnly disagree lampard was Ballack master. Agreed in terms of skills, technique they are quite close but then the only time they faced each other lampard came out on Top when they were in the same team Lampard was in the front of him in the pecking order in terms of performance lampard outlived and outperformed him. I read your post up there saying it was thanks to Ballack that lamps made a UCL final, I laugh in ljesha dialect because your post lacks merit in the fact that lamps bossed that final and even made another UCL final and won without Ballack.

We can also say the likes of Koke, Gabi are also better than Lampard since they beat him and outperformed him not once but twice.

Drogba was also ahead of Shevchenko in the pecking order. Shebi Drogba was better than Shevchenko

You think it is mere coincidence that Lampard had his career highs in goals and assists when guys like Ballack arrived. The intelligence and tactical discipline of Ballack was what made this happen. Midfield dominance goes beyond goals and assists and that is one of the reasons why Lampard could not cross CL semis even with his goals.

Braah if you like laugh in Jukun. The fact is Ballack had gotten to a CL Final while Lampard was struggling with Viking from Norway. Thank God for Roman Abrahamovich wey come sponsor una else Lampard woulda been a rich man's Gareth Barry

What of for England? Why did Lampard fail to get to even the semis of any major tournament while Ballack made the Euro and WC Final. Come and explain why Lampard was such an International flop?

PietroRico:
Na drag be the new one now?

E come be like say na tug of war them dey argue about, not football

Beasting to bossing to dragging next we go hear digging and killing etc....

pamcode:
The bolded above sums up everything about the comparing Ballack to his Master lampard- shyte. Right from the horses mouth.

After Euro 2000. German International football went to shyte and a complete overhaul was necessary. Bayern after 2001's CL win also faded to black. It was an ageing squad and was also in a flux for years.

Ballack was so good he was still able to squeeze a WC semi and World and Euro Finals out of the National team as the key man. He did it with Leverkusen at club level while Lampard was battling with Viking from Norway. Lampard woulda remained a nobody but for Roman's financial steroids that built a team that could challenge at home abroad

Tell us why Master Lampard is a relative non-entity in International footie. This is why I love International football so much. Russian sugar daddies cannot buy a country and assemble players to bail out Lampard

Ibime:


You must be smoking otapiapia. Skrtel joined Liverpool in 2008 after which Chelsea never faced Liverpool in UCL again.

I know who couldn't get past Skrtel though. Sneijder! Skrtel and co flogged him 5-0!

See your mouth like Ballack helped Lampard get to UCL final. When Lampard was scoring 3 goals in that semifinal to see Chelsea through, did Ballack assist one? Or is it Ballack that helped Lampard to assist Ramires in 2012 all the way from Leverkusen?

My friend sharrap! Ballack came to London to fetch water for Lampard. You are lucky that I am one of the few that give Ballack props. Most Chelsea fans consider him a failure given Chelsea stopped winning the league as soon as he arrived.

The Bayern team you claimed were weak in 2005, who were their key midfielders? Was it not Ballack and Schweinsteiger? Yet Lampard was bullying them all over Europe. How can they be weak on one hand, yet on the other hand have two of Germany's all-time great midfielders . . . who Lampard used to piss on in UCL despite having solid niggas like Ze Roberto, Lucio, Lizarazu, Khan, Sagnol, Lucio, Hargreaves etc alongside them. You mean Ballack could not drag those niggas past Lampard when he was whipping their arse disgracefully. . . yet you are making noise that he dragged Carsten Ramelow to World Cup final.

Abeg who did Germany play in that World Cup, was it not Paraguay, USA and South Korea that Carsten Ramelow himself is better than all their players?. . . Keep making noise about Ballack dragging a whole Germany past South Korea whilst Lampard is flogging him all over UCL, and he is fetching water for Lampard in London.

See this Buzu. You don't even know the history of the club you support. Chelsea faced Liverpool the following season

Where was your Lampard when Wesley Sneijder was defeacating on his cranium home and away in the CL.

Ibime go kill us with lie for this forum oh. Ogini na fio? Lampard scored just 1 goal from the penalty spot. And guess who won the penalty?

Playing as a midfield base and fulcrum that allowed Lampard to get to his first CL Final and reach highs in goals and assists is your definition of fetching water. I am not suprised at your Liliputian understanding of the game. Rakitic, Modric, Marchisio are all water carriers. Going by your definition.
Only mugu Chelsea fans would label Ballack a failure considering his arrival coincided with a time your biggest title rival was arguably the best team in Europe reaching b2b CL Finals to boot.

See this itiboribo. A 20y.o Schweinsteiger na him you dey take demonize Ballack? Se ori e pe sha? Kahn, Lizarazu at 36 years of age. Jesuu!

The South Korea you are busy deriding without brake, jam or sense beat 4 European teams and knocked out 3 at that tournament (Poland, Portugal, Italy, Spain) so keep chatting megedefegede

And while you are at it come and explain why Lampard could not lead England to even the semis of any major tournament

Bimffo:
Why is Mourinho obsessed with Us.?

Conte has never mentioned Mourinho or United in his presser before. What is Mou's problem?

I don't wanna disrespect the greatest manager in our history.

disrespect how? shey you wan fly go Manchester abi London go spit for him face?

Bimffo:
Why is Mourinho obsessed with Us.?

Conte has never mentioned Mourinho or United in his presser before. What is Mou's problem?

I don't wanna disrespect the greatest manager in our history.

The thing vex me sef??

How can he call us hyperdefensive?? Despite all the 'defensiveness' we have been through together

diggz:
You sure say no be you need mafe kulaleye, kpoli n olosho?

I guess you just found the meaning of career ,naim make your body dey shoot like bisco.......

Why choose to bring lampards career pre- Roman era into this ? You have consistently pushed rubbish analogies down the throat of your disciples,reason why they vomit rubbish at random like loose canons ........

If you pass year1 and 2 but fail year 5,what will you graduate with? Was that not the useless qxn you were busy having erect1on over yesterday......?

Please, tell us about the finals ballack beasted and won or keep quiet!!!!!

Lampard pre-ROman career because Roman bought worldclass players in Every position

Almost all eleven position at Chelsea (minus Terry) was filled with top 3-5 players in their position so why wont Lampard shine. Compare that to what Ballack did at Leverkusen

When you are playing with Cech top 5 Keeper in the world, Carvalho top 5 CB in the world, Cashley top 5 LB in the world, Makelele top 2 DM in the world, Drogba top 5 striker in the world, Essien top 5 CM in the world

When Lampard had players in the level that Ballack played with in Leverkusen he was brutally molested by an Israeli club

Ibime:
My friend close it shut.

Where was Drogba between 1998 to 2004 when Anelka was winning leagues, UCLs and International cups?

Where was Deco (lower leagues) when Rui Costa was Portugals premium midfielder.

It doesn't matter who got there first, it's how you compare when you get there.

Infact Ballack came into prominence in 2002 and Lampard in 2004 and there is 2 years age difference between em.

We could also argue that Lampard could only win UCL final after Ballacks "final curse" was lifted from him. We all know Ballack never "beasted" a major final unlike Alago Boathand.

Those who have tasted a thing need not argue it's merits. Lampard and Ballack faced each other in UCL and Lampard bullied sege out of him. Lampard and Ballack played 4 years together and Ballack was fetching water for him.

Oh taste and see that the Lord is good.

Drogba and Deco were in lower leagues Lampard was in Chelsea a big club in England and was a useless player no better than Jody Morris

When Ballack was dragging Leverkusen to the CL final Lampard was getting bleeped by an Israeli club

Lampard was suddenly surrounded by top players and Roman money before he could do anything

Lampard without Roman millions couldnt get England to a semi, Ballack got to a world cup final, world cup semi, Euro final all without money or gazillion award winning players around him

Ibime:


Ask Rumdeuter why Ballack couldn't help Germany from finishing bottom of their group in Euro 2000 also.

Ballack is one of those AMs they said was better than Lampard until Lampard started bullying him in UCL and until they played together in the same team for 4 years for us to know that shoe get size.

Shebi Ballack team made the Euro, Lampard couldnt epp England to even qualify for the Euro 2008 at his peak

Ballack made a Euro final Lampard shishi he no see not even semi
Ballack made a world cup final Lampard shishi nothing gum am even semi he no see

Lowest of Ballack he didnt qualify in a Euro group, Lowest of Lampard, he didnt even make the Euro

Show us anything Lampard has done in football outside Roman billions. whether na National team or Pre Roman chelsea

agrovick:
Watch him twist out of this one, egbon na catfish. He no dey die easy.

BTW, How come Ballack couldn't drag Germany out of the group stage during Euro 2004. One of their matches happened to be a goalless draw with LATVIA?

cc A40, Ramdeuter

Shebi Ballacks lowest was that he couldnt take Germany out of a Euro group?

Lampard couldnt even take England to the Euro

So tell me how can we start discussing someone that failed in UNILAG when you cant even pass JAMB