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Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 8:50pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:51pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
DeSepiero I see you . Oya come ooo Table your arguments to prove atheism is not illogical |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:54pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
I don't understand the taciturnity of the atheists here ![]() ![]() |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 8:55pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 8:56pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: A car produces fumes from its exhaust. But can we deduce the properties of a car from. The exhaust fumes? I want direct evidence for God. Everything I know has direct evidence on one way or the other. Why not God. Why is there no direct incontrovertible and objective evidence for God? 3 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:56pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
Muafrika2: Exactly ! "Where is the evidence ?" I'm not sure how this automatically proves that atheism is not illogical ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 8:57pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
felixomor: "Point to" isn't literal. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 8:57pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: They are huddling now. Trying to decide on the best manner of approach while others are sifting through google at this point ![]() ![]() 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 9:05pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Based on evidence left behind that will indicate that intelligent life once existed. Like skeletons. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 9:08pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
dalaman: Again i have to step in here. A cars fumes can tell you the following 1. The kind of gas being used 2. The condition of the engine the fumes are coming from 3. The type of fume would also let you know the quality of engine its coming from (hybrid or not) 4. The consistency or lack of and pressure will show you the strength of the engine its coming from 5. It can give you details like IF THE ENGINE BLOCK IS CRACKED, IF YOU HAVE A BLOWN HEAD GASKET OR AN OVERHEATING ENGINE It can also tell you IF THE ENGINE IS BURNING UP OIL FAST OR IF OIL IS LEAKING IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER. It can also tell you IF THE AIR FILTER IS CLOGGED OR IF THERE IS A FAULT IN YOUR SENSORS OR FUEL INJECTORS OR FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR. It can also tell you IF YOU ARE USING A TURBO CHARGED ENGINE AND IF THE TURBO CHARGER HAS GONE BAD e.t.c All that from just a cars exhaust fume ![]() ![]() ![]() I am sure you know that a car that has a turbo charger is a high end vehicle and high end vehicles are usually fitted with comfort enhancing gizmos... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Dalaman...Next.... ![]() ![]() 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by taurus25(m): 9:08pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Absurdity based on how you understand things?....or a conclusively proven fact? b. Infinite regress of causes is illogical and impossibleOk With that sorted out here's the Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God True to an extent....but not entirely correct. 2. The universe began to exist As far as we know. 3. Therefore , the universe has a cause This would be true if and only if cause and effect holds both at the most fundamental level of existence and the observed level of existence, and apparently current scientific knowledge suggests that cause and effect do not hold at all levels. Do you agree that this is a tenable argument for the existence of God ? These are not in any way sufficient for assumption of a deity, save for confirmation that one does exist |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:09pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
dalaman: There can be long chains of causes and it can be traced to a car . Cars have engines right ? And gases can be ejected from an engine as waste products . You can deduce at least two properties 1. Machine that runs on fuel or gas 2. It has an engine And cars are machines that have engines and run on fuel and I know you could argue that there are other machines . That means there is a set of possible causes . I want direct evidence for God. Everything I know has direct evidence on one way or the other. Why not God. Why is there no direct incontrovertible and objective evidence for God? If you understand the law of cause and effect , an effect is something caused right ? Do you think that proving that the universe is an effect is evidence that it has a creator (cause) ? 3 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:13pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
dalaman: Skeletons don't prove intelligent life but it can prove that living beings on earth had bodily frameworks Can you please list at least five evidences that can prove that intelligent life inhabited this earth ? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:19pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
taurus25: Something can't create itself . But something can be caused to exist . Its factual and logical . taurus25: Why is it not entirely correct . taurus25: That means it affirms premise 1 and premise 3 taurus25: Can you explain further please ? taurus25: How can you confirm that a creator does not exist based on conjectures ? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 9:25pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
dalaman: So you mean physical "point to" ? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:32pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
4everGod: I don't think they can escape the obvious . But at least they should try . ![]() |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:36pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
felixomor: To the best of my knowledge it was hedonism , ignorance , rebellion , deceit and ignorance that gave birth to atheism . 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by jimmyjenseng(m): 9:36pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: The Cosmological Arguments which is one of Thomas Aquinas' Proofs is baseless and vacuous. The above argument relies upon the idea of a regress and invoke God to terminate it. It makes the entirely assumptions that God himself is immune to the regress. It's more el cheapo to conjure up, say, a "big bang singularity", or some physical concept as yet unknown. Calling it God is at best unhelpful and at worst noxiously misleading. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 9:37pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Exactly. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:47pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
jimmyjenseng: Very false 1. The Cosmological Argument was not from Thomas Aquinas . Aristotle and Plato were the first to propose the existence a first cause . Thomas Aquinas only re-introduced it to Christian theology . 2. Infinite regress of causes is illogical and impossible so the existence of the First Cause which is self existent (uncaused) is a logical necessity 3. The First Cause which is self existent is God . 'God' is just an appellation for the first cause . 4. If you are repulsed by the word 'God' , we can go with the befitting description of the First Cause: an extremely powerful uncaused necessarily existing non-contingent non physical immaterial eternal being who created the universe and everything in it 5. The universe is a contingent being that relies on a non-contingent being that cannot not exist by the necessity of its own nature . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by DoctorAlien(m): 9:52pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
jimmyjenseng: Infinite regress is logically impossible. Moreover, GOD created the universe, which is made up of matter, space and time. Before the universe, time did not exist. GOD must necessarily be uncreated because to suggest that He was created is to suggest that a time difference exists between the beginning of His existence and the beginning of the existence of His Creator. But time began with the universe. Therefore GOD is uncaused. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 9:53pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
The universe did not begin to exist. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by taurus25(m): 9:54pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Everything is essentially a cause and an effect. If we say for example that the horn from a car caused an accident, then the motion of everything everywhere is also a part of it. Everything leading to a final event can be classified as a cause. For example, lets say computers began to exist at a time. At what point in time or which action can we precisely say caused computers, because you have to break down every component that makes a computer and account for their causes. At quatum mechanics, cause and effect as humans generally understand is completely obliterated. Experiment proves, incontrovertibly, that exact ideas of place and time required to make causation work simply do not exist. We can point to the physical effects which, taken as an aggregate, yield causation as an approximation, but only as an approximation. It works in common but simplified cases, not all cases.
The exact same way you can confirm a creator exits because of conjectures |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 9:56pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:And for God to create the universe there must be a TIME difference between the CAUSE(God) and the EFFECT(The Universe), and since there was no time before the universe... :| |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 9:58pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
felixomor: When they say something isn't literal what does it mean? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by DoctorAlien(m): 10:00pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
Vanceastro: Time is a component of the universe - what the universe came with. Before the universe came to be, it did not exist. It began to exist only when GOD brought the universe into existence. Yet GOD existed before the Universe because you cannot claim that the Cause of the universe did not exist. So, essentially, GOD exists outside the universe(matter, space and time). Therefore He is eternal. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 10:10pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Look at this man. In your previous post you claimed that God could not have been caused because CAUSALITY requires TIME which didn't exist before the universe. In the same way the universe could not have been caused because CAUSALITY requires TIME which didn't exist before the universe. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:12pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
taurus25: I was expecting someone to mention quantum mechanics though you did so tacitly before I asked you to be explicit . Quantum mechanics just describes what takes place at the quantum level. It does not make any reference to causes, and this does not imply that there are no causal entities involved. The exact same way you can confirm a creator exits because of conjectures There are no conjectures here . As far as something has a beginning it obviously implies that it was caused . |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:16pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
Vanceastro: God is timeless without the universe and time comes into being at the moment He creates the universe. This is simple 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 10:18pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Whats illogical about atheism? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 10:22pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
dalaman: It means the word means as it is written. And as u wrote it, all your evidences need to be seen with the eyes . U cant "point to" what u cant see. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 10:23pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:This is stupid. Creation/causation requires a TIME difference. So if there was no TIME before the universe then the universe was not created. |
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