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Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:00am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor:No answer... But that doesn't make me any less an atheist... If u asked this do u believe god exists. The answer will be false because I don't believe god exists |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 8:03am On Jan 04, 2017 |
randomperson: Hahahaha Somebody just renounced. No need, wasting time here bro. Do something better. U r not an atheist. 3 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:08am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor: ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 8:14am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor: OK, you don't need sight alone to have direct knowledge of things. We can't see the wind, but we have direct knowledge of the wind. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 8:17am On Jan 04, 2017 |
randomperson: Rejection of belief in God will follow "God does not exist" Not the other way round everytime. Becos u reject religion or belief doesnt make u the atheist, If not there will be no Deists. Its like saying u r a student because u went to a school building. We know students go to school buildings but thats not what makes them students. Other professionals like cleaners and janitors also go to the school building. They are not students In this case u r claiming to be atheist because u do one of the things an atheist does. Sorry KingEbukasblog has sounded this into your skull many times but u wont listen. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 8:20am On Jan 04, 2017 |
dalaman: Thanks But u didnt answer the question fully. Ur answer suggests u need sight with other things hence "alone" My question is "is sight compulsory"? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:27am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor:Neither u nor KingEbukasblog know what atheism is. If belief that God doesn't exist is the same thing as rejection of belief that God exists, then why does the dictionary make that distinction... I already explained painstakingly with the Messi and Ronaldo analogy, u didn't address that but just kept repeating the same assertion without proof... This is a thread about logic but u people fail to grasp simple logic |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 8:33am On Jan 04, 2017 |
randomperson: Dictionary didnt make any distinction. A-theism A-necephalic A-cyanotic etc English has a pattern, u r either Theist or A-theist Or at best, stay in the middle undecided as agnost U cant change it overnight And u r only compounding ur Messi ronaldo analogy because those 2 simple questions u ran away from, Exposed u. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 8:34am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor: No, it is not. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 8:36am On Jan 04, 2017 |
dalaman: Good. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:45am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor: |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Ranchhoddas: 8:52am On Jan 04, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Boko Haram does not consider it immoral. Is it moral to eat pork? |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Ranchhoddas: 8:57am On Jan 04, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Why do always feel that you have to define the positions of others for them? 2 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 8:59am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor:Dictionary didn't make any distinction?? Do u need me to paste the definitions for you again?? This is another dictionary now: noun (plural atheisms) (narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs). (broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist). (very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities). (loosely) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities) Tell me there is no distinction here |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 9:15am On Jan 04, 2017 |
randomperson: Oga, Here is atheism from Oxford dictionary copied verbatim; =================== Definition of atheism in English: atheism NOUN [mass noun] Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Origin Late 16th century: from French athéisme, from Greek atheos, from a- without + theos god. Pronunciation: atheism/ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/ ==================={{{{ U cant be more correct than the language owners I even copied the whole page for u. If u cant answer that simple one line question God does not exist? True/False U are not a-theist 1 Like |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 9:22am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor:I thought u said I exchanged "and" for "or"... So u have changed your tune?... Well, at least u can see it: OR lack of belief in the existence of God... So atheism can be either right?? Or there's still no distinction |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 9:30am On Jan 04, 2017 |
randomperson: Yes, lack of belief is disbelief "Or" is used between statements that are equivalent to each other. If a judge disbelieves you, you are guilty of crime. We are dealing with mutually exclusive events. This word is a greek word U are either "a-theos" (without God) OR "theos" (with God) Stop being a bat, please 2 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:09am On Jan 04, 2017 |
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Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 10:37am On Jan 04, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: The devil like God is also fictitious. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 10:40am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor:U are not making any sense... Or is used between statement that are alternative not equivalent. And a judge doesn't convict on disbelief, he convicts when the prosecution has proven his case beyond reasonable doubt. U have failed to equate "THERE IS NO GOD" to "I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS GOD".... Even the dictionary u quoted make a distinction but u don't deal with facts only beliefs so... |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by AgentOfAllah: 10:42am On Jan 04, 2017 |
1) The subject of this thread suggests that the conversation is to be predicated on logical reasoning. 2) When making logical arguments, definition of terms cannot be treated flippantly! It is absolutely unacceptable that logical arguments are constructed without rigorously addressing definitions. 3) Definitions must be independent of the whims of the logicist. They must therefore, be agreed-upon axioms, or logical derivatives of such axioms. 4) There is no need for lengthy sentences in logical discourse, since logic has its own precise words and language. I shall use the foregoing premises to define atheism, highlight its subcategories, and show that agnosticism is an epistemologically distinct concept from "state of belief", under which atheism falls. Some participants have displayed profound misunderstanding of these concepts and; therefore make utterly stupid (and this is not said lightly) arguments that turn logic upside down. Definition of terms: Atheism: This word is NOT an axiom. It is a logical derivative of two Greek words: prefix "a-", which means "without" and "theos" which means god(s). Atheos is therefore without god(s). An atheist is therefore someone without god. Atheism describes the state of belief of people without god(s). Let's attribute a logical operand, "A", to Atheism. Agnosticism: This word, again, is NOT an axiom! It is derived from two Greek words:prefix "a-", which means "without" and "gnosis" which means "knowledge". "Agnosis" is therefore without knowledge. An agnostic is therefore someone without knowledge of something. Agnosticism describes the state of knowledge of people without knowledge (of something). As you see, this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with belief, and is a mutually exclusive epistemological concept. Let's attribute a logical operand, "B", to agnoticism The next question then is; can we define subcategories of people without god? The answer is yes! Some categories include: Apatheists: These are people without god because they are indifferent to the existence of one. Let's give this category the operand, "C" Antitheists: These are people without god because they assert that one does NOT exist. Let's give this category the operand, " D " Agnostic-Atheists: These are people without god because they have no knowledge of the existence of one. Arguments from Logic: From the preceding definitions, we can make the following true logical arguments: C → A (I am an apatheist, therefore I am an atheist) D → A (I am an antitheist, therefore I am an atheist) A ∧ B → A (I am an agnostic-atheist, therefore I am an atheist) Logic also has defined fallacies that violate logical rules. There are many, but I'll address the one that has been most abused here. It's a very basic formal fallacy known as Affirming the consequent. The statement of this fallacy goes thus: If D, then A (If I am an antitheist, then I am an atheist) A (I am an atheist) therefore D (Therefore I am an antitheist) To the discerning mind, the inaccuracy in the deduction above is glaringly obvious! Conclusion: With logical arguments, I have just shown that it is stupid to attribute logicality or illogicality to atheism. What can be questioned is specific categories of atheism. It follows, therefore, from logic, that the very question: "Show that atheism is not illogical" is patently stupid! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Pastafarian: 10:44am On Jan 04, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: lol, what nonsense! very Pathetic logic that fails to stand up to basic scrutiny Harry Potter believes Lord Voldemort exists, so he must exist in your world abeg talk sense next time |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 10:48am On Jan 04, 2017 |
randomperson: Twelve or a dozen. Its disgusting u r even still arguing in the face of the root greek word. It shows that in ur bat world, there are no mutually exclusives. U have seen the foolishness, and u r trying to escape. 3 simple line questions scared u to death. Why will any sane person run from single line true or false questions? It shows u are lying. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Pastafarian: 10:52am On Jan 04, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah, I stayed out of this thread because I can see the premise is very dishonest at best and asinine at worst nevertheless, both OP and his goons are being dealt with here by my fellow atheists but OP would pop up statements saying they've not addressed his arguments, he keeps popping up Aquinas and William Laine Craig arguments which all have been nipped in the bud Dalaman has shown how stupid the moral argument is, he's also shown how illogical Tomas Aquinas argument is since its all based on assumptions Vanceastro is also showing the holes in DoctorAilen's argument as for definitions, Randomperson is wiping the floor with Felixomor who's running around like a concussed patient on adrenaline what this thread has proven so far is that OP can't even defend his stand 3 Likes |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 10:54am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Pastafarian: The desperate landlord, how u dey? ![]() Somebody just renounced atheism. Say bye |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Pastafarian: 10:57am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor: lol, its a pity you can't see that you've not made an iota of sense since you started engaging Randomperson, he's wiped the floor with you at every turn and you look clueless because your goons aren't here to save you by cutting in here's an advice, be yourself stop tryna be Kingebukasblog by force |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 10:59am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Pastafarian: Hahahaha. ![]() U sound like those kids who got beaten hoping for a bigger kid to avenge for them. .......... Grow up na? By the way, somebody just left ur church. How market? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Pastafarian: 11:03am On Jan 04, 2017 |
felixomor: somebody left my Church? lol you're grasping at straws here go back to being owned by Randomperson, its been a pleasure watching you run around ![]() |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 11:05am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Pastafarian: Grow up na bros. The guy just couldn't ansswer the question "God does not exist?" True or False You want to try and answer it too? Please do your church proud. Go go go! ![]() |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:05am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Pastafarian: If 'Lord Voldemort' exists, do you hate him/it the way you are hating on God? ![]() 1 Like
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Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Pastafarian: 11:07am On Jan 04, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: who "hates" your god? I don't, I poke holes in your god idea, if you call that "hate" then I'm a proud hater ![]() |
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Ranchhoddas: 11:08am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Pastafarian:So you noticed, I have also wondered why Ebuka seems to be influencing them instead of vice-versa. |
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