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Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 10:17pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
sukkot: Humans have been using jinns since time immemorial. I will urge you to do a research on jinns. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by iykekelvins(m): 10:18pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
bqlekan:Ok, thanks. But how do these Jinns find humans? How's it possible to work with them? |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 10:24pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
sukkot: Lol, the world is full of mysteries. Jinns are extremely powerful beings they are the ones responsible for many weird occurrences through out history, from akudaya, to unexplained levitation, maybe UFOs and also the building of the great pyramids. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 10:24pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
bqlekan:[b]all powers belong to GOD. what you call jinns is GOD using people and giving them extra-ordinary abilities to carry out the tasks. humans do not have the ability of commanding ' jinns ', what they have is the illusion that they are in control when they are summoning the jinns but they dont realize that they are being mind controlled at that point in time and their actions do not belong to them and they are simply being used. so point being there has to be a perception that you are in control when in reality you are not. this makes the process more organic, as opposed to just putting you in a trance like zombie state and sending you out to carry out a mission they induce you with the reality that you are the one summoning up the jinn but you are in a trance and are being programmed but the process feels more organic as opposed to just being spiritually knocked over the head and sent into a coma and then ordered to carry out a mission. its that sense of being a part of the process so as to make it organic. this is why some people start feeling powerful and puffed up and then the power is snatched from them. because you cant boast from doing something when you are simply a tool. how can the tool boast itself against the master who controls it ? hope am making sense [/b] |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 10:27pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
bqlekan:when you say jinn you are actually referring to GOD. do you believe there is a GOD ? |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 10:29pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
iykekelvins: If you read my original post, you should see where I mentioned how they could be more advanced than us, how they maybe capable of FTL and warping. They will always find us. They were created before us. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 10:40pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
sukkot: Permit me to use some verses from the Quran And the jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a Scorching wind. Surah XV: 27 "And entice whoever you can of them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and men against them, and you may share with them in their money and children, and promise them.” But the devil promises nothing but deceit. 'As for My servants, you will have no power over them.' And your Lord suffices as a Caretaker." (17:64-65) "And for Solomon the wind was given, traveling one month coming and one month going, and We caused a spring of tar to flow for him. And from among the Jinn are those that worked for him by his Lord's leave; and any one of them who turns from Our commands, We shall cause him to taste the retribution of the Fire. They made for him what he desired of enclosures, and statues, and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. “O family of David, work to show thanks.” Only a few of My servants are appreciative. Then, when We decreed death for him, nothing informed them of his death until a worm kept eating from his staff, so when he fell down, the Jinn realised that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in the humiliating retribution." (34:12-14) The Bottomline is humans use the bad jinns for our selfish interest, but not after pledging to give the jinns something in return. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by buffalowings: 11:26pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
iykekelvins:They are called autistic savants Read about them some years bacj |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 11:37pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
bqlekan:Oh ok this Jinn is from the Quran ? and I am looking at what you have quoted and I can see you are taking it literally. see the bible and quran are allegoric and symbolic and esoteric books. they are not meant to be taken literally. now just from that verse that you quoted what it is saying is that a new group of people have been created from the furnace of affliction. thats what the quran and bible is all about. you accumulate sins and then you pay for your sins in the furnace of affliction and then come out a strong new being. those who overcome this affliction and come out as better people is what this jinn is referring to in the quran. its like nelson mandela, he did 27 years in prison under affliction and then he came out a stronger better man and became the president of south africa and was well respected and loved. now he is an example of what a jinn is. point being do not read the quran literally |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by iykekelvins(m): 11:39pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
buffalowings:Yes, me too 1 Like |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by Nobody: 11:56am On Jan 17, 2017 |
Er, well, I don't know what to say. extraterrestrial life isn't in my area of study. however, the concept of jinns and what not are limited to our ability to detect them. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 3:08pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot: Hahahah, brother, you are getting it all wrong. Let me start by asking you; what do you understand by the world 'jinns'? |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 3:10pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan:from reading that Quran verse Jinn is someone who has been perfected by suffering and affliction. ![]() |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by ValentineMary(m): 3:18pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot: ex- tra- ter- res- tri- al [ek-str uh -t uh - res -tree- uh l] adjective outside, or originating outside, the limits of the earth. Source : www.dictionary.com/browse/extraterrestrial Definition of EXTRATERRESTRIAL See extraterrestrial defined for English-language learners See extraterrestrial defined for kids : originating, existing, or occurring outside the earth or its atmosphere < extraterrestrial life> Source : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/extraterrestrial |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 3:22pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot: There are 3 creations, the angels, the humans and the jinns.. Angels were created from light, humans from clay and jinns from flameless fire. The jinns are of different types, we have marid, ifreet, ghoul etc. All these are entities created long before the creation of human. Quran didn't just mention their existence, a whole chapter is dedicated to them. They are by no means a re-incarnated form of human, they are sentient and different from us. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 3:24pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
ValentineMary:Extraterrestrial life,[n 1] also called alien life (or, if it is a sentient or relatively complex individual, an "extraterrestrial" or "alien" ![]() |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 3:29pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan:all this is mythological talk. you need to be able to crack the code of mythology. behind mythology are real stories. it like the stories in the bible. they are real stories but they are told in a mythological way. for example the story of adam and eve. the snake is not an actual snake but the mythology presents the story as a snake but the real definition of a snake is a CRAFTY person. etc etc. you need to understand that the ancients told their stories in mythology. and besides the quran can you name other books that use the word JINN ? |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 3:33pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan:AHHHH SEE I JUST CHECKED THE MEANING OF JINN IN DICTIONARY AND IT SAYS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU, ITS ISLAMIC MYTHOLOGY LOLZZZZZZ Examples Word Origin noun, plural jinns (especially collectively) jinn. Islamic Mythology . 1. any of a class of spirits, lower than the angels, capable of appearing in human and animal forms and influencing humankind for either good or evil. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 3:37pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan:AND HERE IS THE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY TELLING YOU THE WORD JINN AKA GENIE, WHICH IS USED MYTHOLOGICALLY AS IN ' THE GENIE IN THE BOTTLE ' OR THE ALLADIN STORY WITH A GENIE AND A LAMP, IS ALL MYTHOLOGY jinn (n.) Look up jinn at Dictionary.com 1680s, djen, from Arabic jinn. It is a collective plural, "demons, spirits, angels;" the proper singular is jinni, which appears in English occasionally as jinnee (1840) but more frequently as genie. Similarity to genius is accidental. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by ValentineMary(m): 3:43pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot:Oh! U are a Christian. Well u have the right to believe what u want. But just leave it out of the science classroom ~Neil DeGrasses Tyson. How can u prove that we were made outside the earth when the materials that make up our biomolecules are right here on earth? |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 3:54pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
ValentineMary:nah nigga this is science not christianity. we are made up off star dust. its well known. when meteors and star particles fall to earth it has been researched that this is what we are made off. so we are extra-terrestrials by your definition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Bh2E46yNU 1 Like |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 4:21pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot: This is why I created this thread. Jinns are way beyond mythology. We have seen their effects in our universe. For instance, gravitational waves appear weak in our universe due to distortion of the spacetime fabric from a parallel universe. Invisible dark matter deflecting photons of light. These only point out to different lifeform having mass of their own. The jinns.. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 4:32pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan:brah jinns = genie. its all mythology. and dont try to mix mythology with science please. gravitational waves appearing weak in our universe is because it is being manipulated by mad scientists with the CERN machine. i implore you to read up about how they are manipulating the magnetic and gravitational waves with the CERN machine. it is the biggest machine in the whole world built in switzerland. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 4:41pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emsud0rakqY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQxmifh-Neo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuLU-oEpl3M |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by barackodam: 7:21pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
@bqlekan I very much perfectly understand the angle you're coming from, and I'm sorry to say, Sukkot would never see from that angle. You're a Muslim, he's a Christian, you're trying to prove science using Islam or Islam using science, but Sukkot is seeing it from science proving science, that's why you won't. And if I go with what he says, not mixing science with religion, I think he's been right all through! Quran extensively talked about Al-Jinn, but the Bible didn't and I think, (I stand to be corrected) only Islam has told everything about jinn. But look at it, scientifically of course, you'll be inclined towards Sukkot's 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 7:39pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot: Will analyse the videos when I get home. But to say it was a CERN machine causing the ripple effects of gravity(gravitational waves) in the whole of the milky way galaxy is absurd. Really absurd. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 7:56pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
barackodam: Thanks brother, if you check my original post, you will notice I used scientific hypothesis to explain the concept of the jinns. The Quran might be the only religious book to discuss jinns, but jinns are also found in different mythologies and folklores. The bible talked extensively about demons I think. Demons, efreet, Marid, rowaniyas, ghoul etc are names given to jinns based on their actions, locations, shapes and sizes. Sukkot is not just proving science with science, we are both guilty of proving science with pseudoscience. He did go one more step forward by adding conspiracy theories ![]() Skim through my posts again and you will understand where I'm coming from. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 9:37pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
barackodam:thanks for the objective view bro. bqlekan is subjectively speaking from an islamic point of view so I can appreciate the fact that he has myopia lol |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by sukkot: 9:38pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bqlekan:speak for yasef bro. dont loop me in with ya craziness ![]() |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by bqlekan(m): 9:54pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
sukkot: Hahahaha, now I'm the only crazy one. You forgot celestial bodies so soon? ![]() |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by ValentineMary(m): 8:42pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
sukkot:I'm aware we are star dust. But it was on earth that those atoms had the right conditions to form biomolecules. So on that premise, we can't still claim to be extraterrestrial beings. All matter has one source but not all life has one source. Since life is very diverse based on the environment it evolved in. |
Re: A Critical Look At Extraterrestrials, Jinns And Science. by Nobody: 6:07am On Jan 24, 2017 |
bqlekan: Now, Solomon, a human being, subjugated the Jinns and subjected them to his servitude. So, by implications, Solomon is more powerful than the Jinns. Then, when We decreed death for him, nothing informed them of his death until a worm kept eating from his staff, so when he fell down, the Jinn realised that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in the humiliating retribution." (34:12-14) The Jinns do not have precognitive abilities, They have serious limitations relative to humans. The Bottomline is humans use the bad jinns for our selfish interest, but not after pledging to give the jinns something in return. Human beings are superior to the Jinns, except that, for majority of us, our paranormal faculties/abilities are dormant. It is only when we lose focus of this fact and see the Jinns as being our idolized gods that they then project themselves as so & get us into signing a pact with them & using us as their servants. Why use a Jinn in the first place? |
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