felixomor:


Increase the volume of your voice to deceive urself more that u r making sense.

Never have I seen someone who fitted this whole verse perfectly..


Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good

Deny all you want. The fact still remains that you watch porn.

dalaman:


Deny all you want. The fact still remains that you watch porn.

Heehehe....prove it

benzics:
I just stumbled on this amazing, intelligent, totally brilliant video by darkmatter2525 on Youtube, this video is the bomb to those saying "god is eternal", "god exists "," god created the universe " and you know the rest of the sh-it...

All those who think it's illogical to not believe in a God , I think you shouldn't miss this awesome video, let me just drop it jor...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc


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What are ur proofs dat God does not exist and i will proof to u dat he does

ibtz:


What are ur proofs dat God does not exist and i will proof to u dat he does

Really?

UncleSnr:
Awesome... From logic, God came from somewhere.

Whoever said God "came from" anywhere? ? ?

God did not "come from" anywhere.

God is rather self existent.

This is what self-existence means:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Self-existence

DeepSight:


Whoever said God "came from" anywhere? ? ?

God did not "come from" anywhere.

God is rather self existent.

This is what self-existence means:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Self-existence

Is it just me or do others get pissed reading things like this?

Who told you god is self-existent? Your "logic"? So how does this become a fact?

Am quite OK with you saying things like this, but speaking of them as if they are facts? Shiiiiiiiit...

“Hawaii is moving toward Japan,” “Jesus rose from the dead,” “The solar system formed 4.6 billion years ago,” “Mohammed flew on the back of a flying horse.”, "intelligent design". These are all truth claims and while none of them can be absolutely certain they differ in their credibility.

Empirical knowledge is obtained through observation and is fundamentally verifiable and falsifiable!!

BELIEFS ARE NOT FACTS

KingEbukasBlog:


What these atheists do is to appeal to ridicule as a way of sustaining their beliefs . The video is suffused with so many fallacies (strawman especially ) that any logical being will feel stupid after watching it . Family Guy comes to mind .

you watch family guy too. Hahahahaha.

benzics:


Empirical knowledge is obtained through observation and is fundamentally verifiable and falsifiable!!

Exactly, and you are free to observe your own existence and the universe about you which all empirically and ineluctably evince the existence of a Mind or Minds far above our reality.

DeepSight:


Exactly, and you are free to observe your own existence and the universe about you which all empirically and ineluctably evince the existence of a Mind or Minds far above our reality.

How is this verifiable? Or even falsifiable?

benzics:

How is this verifiable? Or even falsifiable?

How is what verifiable or falsifiable? I am pointing you to the very things that verify God and you ask for verifiability and falsifiability? That is ridiculous. Study the evidence I have provided.

I say it again. Evidence for God:

1. You

2. The observable Universe about you.

After you have studied these two things, revert to me.

Atheists often cite science ti make their argument against d existence of God. But the existence of God is manifest in human beings themselves. By using science, we all know what gravity is. D blood in ur body, is prone to gravity essentially meaning all volumes of blood will rest at the feet thereby not flowing, but there is an organ, the heart that keeps blood circulation. Now look at dis, hw did d heart com into existence if not by being created, it wasn't accidentally created by scientific theory of big bang!! But it was created knowingly to solve d problem of gravity in d human body.

Lets look at our sustenance
Our food grows out of the earth, is dat accidental too?

Or the atmosphere as a shade from d radiation of the sun flares which has destroyed many planetary bodies

Or is it by looking at our arms and legs dat allow for movement and lifting things on earth.

I can go on and on. Trust me i wud not finish in a day to show d signs of d existence of God.
[Quran 7:57]
And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain). Till when they have carried a heavy­laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.

[Quran 16:79]
Do they not see the birds suspended in mid-air up in the sky? Nothing holds them there except Allah. There are certainly Signs in that for people who have faith.


[Quran 6:38]
There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.

[Quran 41:39]
And among His Signs (in this), that you see the earth barren, but when We send down water (rain) to it, it is stirred to life and growth (of vegetations). Verily, He Who gives it life, surely, (He) is Able to give life to the dead (on the Day of Resurrection). Indeed! He is Able to do all things.

[Quran 30:22]
And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.

So what am i supposed to comment oh. Does darkmatter believe God exists or what? Such flawed thinking all through.

DeepSight:


How is what verifiable or falsifiable? I am pointing you to the very things that verify God and you ask for verifiability and falsifiability? That is ridiculous. Study the evidence I have provided.

I say it again. Evidence for God:

1. You

2. The observable Universe about you.

After you have studied these two things, revert to me.

Lol, so because you think our existence is evidence for god, then god is "eternal, timeless".. This is nothing but a mere assumption .. .

ibtz:
Atheists often cite science ti make their argument against d existence of God. But the existence of God is manifest in human beings themselves. By using science, we all know what gravity is. D blood in ur body, is prone to gravity essentially meaning all volumes of blood will rest at the feet thereby not flowing, but there is an organ, the heart that keeps blood circulation. Now look at dis, hw did d heart com into existence if not by being created, it wasn't accidentally created by scientific theory of big bang!! But it was created knowingly to solve d problem of gravity in d human body.

Lets look at our sustenance
Our food grows out of the earth, is dat accidental too?

Or the atmosphere as a shade from d radiation of the sun flares which has destroyed many planetary bodies

Or is it by looking at our arms and legs dat allow for movement and lifting things on earth.

I can go on and on. Trust me i wud not finish in a day to show d signs of d existence of God.

Lol, so the universe is proof for Allah? A Christian also believes it is proof for yahweh, same to other religions.. Theistic view of God is flawed, that we know for sure doesn't exist!

Image123:
So what am i supposed to comment oh. Does darkmatter believe God exists or what? Such flawed thinking all through.

How is the thinking flawed? That video is 100% right, we humans created the yahweh, allah, Krishna and all other religious gods you worship.. So how the hell is the video flawed?

ibtz:


What are ur proofs dat God does not exist and i will proof to u dat he does

It bits me how a Muslim will want to proof that God exists.

Guy you are forgetting that allah never spoke to Muhammed directly before much less see him. And, since muhammed died, allah died with him, how may you want to proof this allah biko?/

benzics:

Lol, so the universe is proof for Allah? A Christian also believes it is proof for yahweh, same to other religions.. Theistic view of God is flawed, that we know for sure doesn't exist!

O yes it is. Just look at it logically

benzics:

Lol, so because you think our existence is evidence for god, then god is "eternal, timeless".. This is nothing but a mere assumption .. .

I don't know where I have ever said that the red infers the blue.
That inference must exist only in your misguided imagination.

benzics:

How is the thinking flawed? That video is 100% right, we humans created the yahweh, allah, Krishna and all other religious gods you worship.. So how the hell is the video flawed?

Those are called religious concepts of God .

You talk like atheism isn't a man made idea ? You can discover the history of atheism - the denial of gods was started 2, 500 years ago by rebels and hedonists .

DeepSight:


I don't know where I have ever said that the red infers the blue.
That inference must exist only in your misguided imagination.

So misguided .

benzics:

How is the thinking flawed? That video is 100% right, we humans created the yahweh, allah, Krishna and all other religious gods you worship.. So how the hell is the video flawed?

So you mean you are certain there is no God ? And that the universe has no creator or never co-existed with its creator ?

Fash20:
you watch family guy too. Hahahahaha.

Its fun to watch .

DeepSight:

Whoever said God "came from" anywhere? ? ?
God did not "come from" anywhere.
God is rather self existent.
This is what self-existence means:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Self-existence

Can't the universe be self-existent also?

DeepSight:


I don't know where I have ever said that the red infers the blue.
That inference must exist only in your misguided imagination.

Lol, right, then on what basis do you come to the conclusion that God is eternal, god wasn't created.. Because I've seen you make that inference a lot, as if it's a fact

Ah!

Allahu Akbar, I see the demon wiegraf viewing this thread!

Wiegraf bro, Happy New Year.

I bid you change thy contrary ways, and herewith conjure right thinking theism into your head.
Receive!

Allahu Akbar.

UncleSnr:
Can't the universe be self-existent also?

All scientific evidence prove the universe had a beginning . And this betokens the existence of a creator .

analice107:

It bits me how a Muslim will want to proof that God exists.

Guy you are forgetting that allah never spoke to Muhammed directly before much less see him. And, since muhammed died, allah died with him, how may you want to proof this allah biko?/

Ur ignorance is so funny, i just had a good laugh. Maybe u dont undastand d meaning of Allah. Allah is d arabic name for God. Even arab christians call God Allah similar to d jewish word 'elloh'. Both hebrew and arabic are stems from aramaic. Peace unto you in hebrew is Shalom aleichim. In arabic Salam Aleikum. Just as d latins do not call God God, they call him dios, germans too hav deirs so do oda ppl wu dont speak english

Read also my post on d existence of God on page 6 (ibtz). I talked abt it dere

KingEbukasBlog:


Those are called religious concepts of God .

You talk like atheism isn't a man made idea ? You can discover the history of atheism - the denial of gods was started 2, 500 years ago by rebels and hedonists .

*facepalm *

benzics:

Lol, so uptil date you don't know what atheism is? For your info, atheism has no known history, I keep seeing you saying "Diagoras was the first atheist", I just don't think you know what atheism is..

Atheism is as old as man, before religion, everyone were atheists! If you don't know this, I think you should learn..

Foundation of atheism sounds to me like "foundation of lesbianism", before the word "lesbian" was invented, there were already lesbians, some animals even practice it, so going by your logic, lesbianism started the day the word was invented?

benzics:

Lol, right, then on what basis do you come to the conclusion that God is eternal, god wasn't created.. Because I've seen you make that inference a lot, as if it's a fact

I have said that God is eternal and was not created. I have never said that that is true because of your existence or the existence of the universe. God being self-existent would exist even if the universe didnt exist.

What does it mean for something to be self existent? It means that it exists by default: it could not but exist - existing is its core nature: it needs no creator. Infinite Time is an example and so is infinite space.

God is that necessary primordial self existent factor on which all reality rests.

Understand:

1. Something exists.

2. Something cannot come from nothing.

3. As such, the somethings that exist came from something already existing.

4. Since things exist, then there was always a something because if there was nothing, there would always have remained nothing and never any something.

5. Thus, something eternal and permanent exists.

6. Anything which is eternal and permanent is self-existent.

7. Self existent things are not mutable by reason of their self-existent and permanent nature.

8. Matter is mutable and changeable and therefore not self existent.

9. Ergo, matter is not that which is the permanent self-existent something.

10. Ergo, that which precedes all things is a permanent, self-existent, non material essence.

11. This is what is referred to as God.

No cop out, no paradox, simple and clear philosophical logic.

KingEbukasBlog:


All scientific evidence prove the universe had a beginning . And this betokens the existence of a creator .

Simple and short: clear and evident.

I don't know how this elementary obvious fact can be so challenging for the atheist.

KingEbukasBlog:


So you mean you are certain there is no God ? And that the universe has no creator or never co-existed with its creator ?

I know of no God!! And I am certain that all religious gods do not exist, one thing WE(ALL HUMANS) don't know for SURE is if an intelligent designer exists, you might go about saying God is eternal as if it's a fact, that's your own belief and it cannot be a fact!!

DeepSight:


I have said that God is eternal and was not created. I have never said that that is true because of your existence or the existence of the universe. God being self-existent would exist even if the universe didnt exist.

What does it mean for something to be self existent? It means that it exists by default: it could not but exist - existing is its core nature: it needs no creator. Infinite Time is an example and so is infinite space.

God is that necessary primordial self existent factor on which all reality rests.

Understand:

1. Something exists.

2. Something cannot come from nothing.

3. As such, the somethings that exist came from something already existing.

4. Since things exist, then there was always a something because if there was nothing, there would always have remained nothing and never any something.

5. Thus, something eternal and permanent exists.

6. Anything which is eternal and permanent is self-existent.

7. Self existent things are not mutable by reason of their self-existent and permanent nature.

8. Matter is mutable and changeable and therefore not self existent.

9. Ergo, matter is not that which is the permanent self-existent something.

10. Ergo, that which precedes all things is a permanent, self-existent, non material essence.

11. This is what is referred to as God.

No cop out, no paradox, simple and clear philosophical logic.

Nice logic though, but that's all it is, LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS, not facts