KingEbukasBlog:


I employed this same reasoning with Dalaman . If life gets obliterated on earth , how can aliens tell intelligent life did exist on earth ?

Complex intricate systems , functional and designed , each with its own purpose !

Bingo !

And your evidence that Yahweh designed and created the universe alone is what?

analice107:

Hahahahahahahahaha. O yeah? So which Deity are you going to present to the atheists?

U r just so silly mehn lol. I said D God of Abraham is d God of Muhammad. God in heaven, the creator of all things, master of the universe. Oh ok i have forgotten dat u ppl worship jesus. Sori ooo. Lol. I dont worship jesus if dats wat u av been grumbling abt for. Jesus didn't Create u, worship the only One God dat created u.
Salam aleikum

wiegraf:


So how does god function?

So many ways . Especially by superintending things to happen . Like bringing the universe into being , life from non life , ingraining in the human genome the propensity to evolve etc .

wiegraf:
If it's intangible it might as well just be an abstract construct, no?

Nope , God is an unembodied mind who is evidently involved in causal relations unlike abstract things like numbers . You need to steer away from your perspective that all minds must have a physical body to function.

wiegraf:
]Or are you saying it's intangible and has a will. If so, how?

This self existent unembodied mind , God , has expressed its freedom of will by creating the universe 13.8 billion years ago .

ibtz:


Lol. Muhammad neva commanded anyone to kill every jew or christian, .dis ur lies and ignorance sef na wa oo ehn. D God of Abraham is the God of Muhammad.

Believe it or not. D God dat created Abraham is the God dat created Muhammad and as muslims we worship God alone. Feel free to think watever. There is no compulsion in religion

Pls where is d image of Allah. Lol

You need a lesson in Islam?

The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)

2:190-193 Fight in the cause of God, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them.

Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."


2:216-217 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say:

"Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter.

Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein.


2:244-245 Then fight in the cause of God, and know that God heareth and knoweth all things. Who is he that will loan to God a beautiful loan, which God will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is God that giveth (you) want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return.

4:74-77 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter, to him who fighteth in the cause of God, whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children whose cry is: "Our Lord! rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!"

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

Hast thou not turned thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (form fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as, or even more than, they should have feared God: they say: "Our Lord! why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!


4:95-96 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home).

Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward: Ranks specially bestowed by Him, and Forgiveness and Mercy. For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other.

This is your koran commanding you to kill Christians and Jews.

dalaman:


And your evidence that Yahweh designed and created the universe alone is what?

Lol, do you seriously expect him to answer that? If you want to make a theist shut his trap, just ask for evidence, and BAM!! They are no where to be found..

benzics:



HopefulLandlord, hahn

Is this guy trying to redefine theism like he equally tried to redefine atheism?

Ebuka, nawa for you o...

the·ism
ˈTHēˌizəm/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is far from being the knowledge of Gods.. Because belief ! = knowledge

Unless you are saying knowledge of the god idea, and that is not what theism entails!

Now you get the gimmicks !

Implicit atheism was coined by George Smith in the 1970s . He basically redefined atheism to mean the lack of belief in gods : he called this type of atheism , implicit atheism . George Smith averred that one does not need to consciously and explicitly reject God or the knowledge of God to be an atheist .

In the same vein , King Ebuka also coined implicit theism which means that one does not need to consciously and explicitly accept the existence of God , just having the knowledge of God like you do makes you a theist .

Viola !

ibtz:

U r just so silly mehn lol. I said D God of Abraham is d God of Muhammad. God in heaven, the creator of all things, master of the universe. Oh ok i have forgotten dat u ppl worship jesus. Sori ooo. Lol. I dont worship jesus if dats wat u av been grumbling abt for. Jesus didn't Create u, worship the only One God dat created u.
Salam aleikum

lol, Mr Muslim, no one mention Jesus here. You keep rambling, this God of Abraham is allah right? Good, apart from Jibril, who else did he appear to? because muhammed never saw him or even heard from him. How do you intend to go about proving a god who never revealed himself to your precious prophet?
Did this your allah ever reveal himself to Abrahim?

benzics:

Lol, do you seriously expect him to answer that? If you want to make a theist shut his trap, just ask for evidence, and BAM!! They are no where to be found..

They only have suppositions and assumptions. Never evidence.

analice107:


You need a lesson in Islam?

The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)

2:190-193 Fight in the cause of God, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them.

Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."


2:216-217 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say:

"Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter.

Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein.


2:244-245 Then fight in the cause of God, and know that God heareth and knoweth all things. Who is he that will loan to God a beautiful loan, which God will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is God that giveth (you) want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return.

4:74-77 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter, to him who fighteth in the cause of God, whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children whose cry is: "Our Lord! rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!"

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

Hast thou not turned thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (form fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as, or even more than, they should have feared God: they say: "Our Lord! why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!


4:95-96 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home).

Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward: Ranks specially bestowed by Him, and Forgiveness and Mercy. For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other.

This is your koran commanding you to kill Christians and Jews.

Wow did u take ur tym to read dis b4 u posted. It is mentioning God oo. And d pagans u r referring to is d arab pagans that existed in d tym of Muhammad who killed and maimed every muslim dey came across in Mecca. The prophet migrated to medina and still dey gathered to kill him. It clearly states in d verses u posted above attack only if u r attacked first. D Quran never mentioned christians as pagans but instead called dem directly or called dem people of the book (past scriptures). It says Fight against justice and opression. U just copy pasted without even reading all d verses .
There were christians and Jews livin with him in medina and dere was neva any problem. Did u know dat?

benzics:



HopefulLandlord, hahn

Is this guy trying to redefine theism like he equally tried to redefine atheism?

Ebuka, nawa for you o...

the·ism
ˈTHēˌizəm/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is far from being the knowledge of Gods.. Because belief ! = knowledge

Unless you are saying knowledge of the god idea, and that is not what theism entails!

You mean the originator of the "known unknown"?

The guy is a clown

DeepSight:


Intangible things are no less real. Is time not real? Is it tangible?



The will of God is not as you might imagine human will.

Think of it this way: it is simply the outward emanation of that which cannot otherwise but be: and the laws of God are simply the naturally occurring consequences of the existence of the permanent element referred to as God.

You might understand it as a magnet and its poles. Does the Magnet have a will to attract or repel things?

This is why as a Deist, I do not regard God as making special interventions in our reality. There are beings that do so, but God itself is beyond all that.

Thus when I do pray, which is rare, I address also the spirits of the air and the elements.
As for the last bit, do you refer to my travels to other realms? Are you the Winchie that's been hampering me?

Intangible constructs require a material basis to manifest

And what you describe here isn't exactly what is generally accepted as freewill traditionally (not that I believe that exists, just pointing it out).

What you describe there seems deterministic and, by extension, materialistic to me

dalaman:


They only have suppositions and assumptions. Never evidence.

You are the evidence.
Good night.

wiegraf:


Intangible constructs require a material basis to manifest

Exactly.

Hence the material world. Don't you get it?

What you describe there seems deterministic and, by extension, materialistic to me

God is deterministic. That does not make it material. It manifests to us in the material.

benzics:
I just stumbled on this amazing, intelligent, totally brilliant video by darkmatter2525 on Youtube, this video is the bomb to those saying "god is eternal", "god exists "," god created the universe " and you know the rest of the sh-it...

All those who think it's illogical to not believe in a God , I think you shouldn't miss this awesome video, let me just drop it jor...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc


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The final statements by the human in the video was inspiring and fairly accurate. That said it was nothing but the usual display of poor logic from atheists.

For instance, the argument that God's intelligence requires explanation is silly. Obviously, if God is eternal His intellect requires no explanation, even when moreso His intellect is not contingent on a brain. The argument that human intelligence shouldn't require explanation like God is likewise stupid. Humans are temporal and their intellect requires a brain as such it's origins and functions via the brain requires an explanation.

The argument that evolution explains intelligence is silly. It doesn't though I won't bother demostrating that. But even if it did it won't hamper the fact that God's properties being self-existent and eternal require no explanation. The video goes on to show several Gods who created God showing the illogic of an infinite regress.

benzics:

Lol, do you seriously expect him to answer that? If you want to make a theist shut his trap, just ask for evidence, and BAM!! They are no where to be found..

You don't even get his question . He is tacitly asking me why my conception of God as a Christian is true not the Islamic or deistic or polydeistic conceptions

And of course , you atheists don't understand or even know the meaning of 'evidence'

Evidence : the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Like I earlier asked : how can aliens tell if intelligent life on earth existed if all life gets obliterated . Our super complex intricate designs like : architectural designs , computers , cars , robots , basically any artificial system that is intricately designed . These body of facts or information - the complexity of our handiwork - indicate that intelligent life existed on earth . And the level of complexity of these artificial systems can tell how intelligent we are .

Now apply this reasoning to our universe . Super complex bodies and systems , even the most minute things like the cells are complex in every level . Take a look at the brain : We have brains that have trillions of connections made by billions of neurons - the brain has the most number connections ever known to Science . With functions like memory , learning , and serving as our guidance system . We have other super complex bodies like the planets , stars , you know it all . But since this complexity isn't self existent , it must have been designed .

This information about the complexity of the universe indicate ( evidence ) that the proposition an intelligent designer exists is true or valid .

Simple !

DeepSight:


Exactly.

Hence the material world. Don't you get it?



God is deterministic. That does not make it material. It manifests to us in the material.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

dalaman:


They only have suppositions and assumptions. Never evidence.

A blind man won't see evidence for light even if it's right in his face. Likewise, an atheist will not accept the evidence for God. The moment he does he ceases to be atheist.

UyiIredia:


A blind man won't see evidence for light even if it's right in his face. Likewise, an atheist will not accept the evidence for God. The moment he does he ceases to be atheist.

The guy in front is Richard Dawkings btw

benzics:

Is it just me or do others get pissed reading things like this?

Who told you god is self-existent? Your "logic"? So how does this become a fact?

Am quite OK with you saying things like this, but speaking of them as if they are facts? Shiiiiiiiit...

Empirical knowledge is obtained through observation and is fundamentally verifiable and falsifiable!!

BELIEFS ARE NOT FACTS

i really find it funny when you guys use logic to disprove the existence of God but then reject logic when it proves the existence of God..

beliefs are not facts.. but when a belief is verified... its a fact.. i once asked you... since you don't want us to use logic to prove that God is self existent.. then please show us the way to use... what machine can be used to verify such

Wilgrea7:


i really find it funny when you guys use logic to disprove the existence of God but then reject logic when it proves the existence of God..

Good point sir

Very solid

dalaman:


And your evidence that Yahweh designed and created the universe alone is what?

The verity of the life of Jesus Christ

wiegraf:


Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

There's no chicken-egg problem if the chicken always existed and the egg didn't. So, also you cannot presume there's a contingency (or chicken-egg) problem in the mind-matter divide.

Mind is greater than matter. Matter in itself absolutely lacks mental properties; mind on the other hand has the ability to concieve of matter and this is why humans via their mind routinely effect new material configurations that did not exist before. So, the very nature of mind includes the concept of matter and power over it but matter in itself has no mind.

ibtz:


Wow did u take ur tym to read dis b4 u posted. It is mentioning God oo. And d pagans u r referring to is d arab pagans that existed in d tym of Muhammad who killed and maimed every muslim dey came across in Mecca. The prophet migrated to medina and still dey gathered to kill him. It clearly states in d verses u posted above attack only if u r attacked first. D Quran never mentioned christians as pagans but instead called dem directly or called dem people of the book (past scriptures). It says Fight against justice and opression. U just copy pasted without even reading all d verses .
There were christians and Jews livin with him in medina and dere was neva any problem. Did u know dat?

You mean the allah that Muhammad's father served as a high priest was a pagan god? Did you just called allah a pagan god?
Its soobvious you need a lesson in the koran. my ba3 is out now, we shall do this again.

benzics:

Wow, what if there is God, and this god also had a God?

that's the point.. you don't seem to fully understand the nature of a said “supreme being"... if the said God has a creator, then it is not a supreme God...

If you claim god cannot have a God, then it's simple, humans can also not have a God, yeah humans had beginnings, what if there is a god and he had a beginning?

a supreme being cannot have a beginning.. if it does... its not supreme.. the created are always subject to laws.. if our said creator is created, then it should be subject to laws.. which is not the case.. there has not been one law of the universe the said creator has been subject to.. if you know of any.. please tell me

We reject all you say about god, because we know they are simply not true, we don't even know if there is a god..

a self eternal and self existent God cannot be created.. a circle has no beginning.. the deistic view of a supreme God isn't like the personal religious views depicting God like a human.. God is more than just form.. I'm taking of a supreme being here.. it is more than just form.. more than just energy.. because it gives energy to the whole universe.. its like living energy.. energy with something more than just a mind.. do you believe Newton's law which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed?? if you do then a supreme creator who is not just more than energy but the source of all energy in the universe should not be hard for you to fathom.

If at all you make your statements on the stance that they are mere beliefs, we would even consider them for what they are, beliefs! But if you go about saying they are facts, then you really need to shut it!

and i ask again... what way or method or experiment do you want us to use to verify these beliefs... atheists tried to use logic to disprove the existence of God.. but when logic is not in their favour, they reject it.. i still ask again.. what machine or experiment can be used to ascertain or disprove the claims of God?? you keep yelling at us to prove it... but you failed to tell us how... so i ask again.... how??

benzics:

How is the thinking flawed? That video is 100% right, we humans created the yahweh, allah, Krishna and all other religious gods you worship.. So how the hell is the video flawed?

Is there God? Does God die? Do dead atheists and flying mosquitoes disturb God with shallow-thought fallacies? Are you God?

Wilgrea7:


and i ask again... what way or method or experiment do you want us to use to verify these beliefs... atheists tried to use logic to disprove the existence of God.. but when logic is not in their favour, they reject it.. i still ask again.. what machine or experiment can be used to ascertain or disprove the claims of God?? you keep yelling at us to prove it... but you failed to tell us how... so i ask again.... how??

How do you prove a computer has a creator?

Simple as that, we won't take your words for "facts"!

You claim you want to prove to us that God exists, how did you yourself come to the conclusion that the existence of God is a fact if not through assertions? So we should all take your assertions for facts?

Pfft

benzics:



HopefulLandlord, hahn

Is this guy trying to redefine theism like he equally tried to redefine atheism?

Ebuka, nawa for you o...

the·ism
ˈTHēˌizəm/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is far from being the knowledge of Gods.. Because belief ! = knowledge

Unless you are saying knowledge of the god idea, and that is not what theism entails!

Kingebukasblog is really fighting hard to attain a new level of idiocy, I've observed a kind of downward trend in his intelligence ability to make sense since 3 things happened

1. Winner01 disappeared
2. He stopped using big words
3. our "billionaire" that has a nephew in Pennsylvania disappeared

Wilgrea7:


i really find it funny when you guys use logic to disprove the existence of God but then reject logic when it proves the existence of God..

beliefs are not facts.. but when a belief is verified... its a fact.. i once asked you... since you don't want us to use logic to prove that God is self existent.. then please show us the way to use... what machine can be used to verify such

Can you point out any verifiable belief?

Image123:


Is there God? Does God die? Do dead atheists and flying mosquitoes disturb God with shallow-thought fallacies? Are you God?

Blah blah blah

Is there God? - NONE that we know of..

Does God die - how the hell are we supposed to know when there is no God we know?

.... .

Are you God - everyone is a god!

hopefulLandlord:


Kingebukasblog is really fighting hard to attain a new level of idiocy, I've observed a kind of downward trend in his intelligence ability to make sense since 3 things happened

1. Winner01 disappeared
2. He stopped using big words
3. our billionaire that has a nephew in Pennsylvania disappeared

This guy is trying so hard to copy sonofluc1fer

jimmyjenseng:


Loollzz. To be honest, that guy is intellectually derailed. I guess he's always high on religious weed - using the pages from the bible to wrap the grinded tobacco and it seedlings.

It's time he's ignored.He's got no relevant/intellectual argument to put up.

lol

BTW, how is the day?

I'm good bro, I lost access to my mail cuz I don't have the phone number used to register with me right now so I can't reply the mail you said you sent

UyiIredia:


There's no chicken-egg problem if the chicken always existed and the egg didn't. So, also you cannot presume there's a contingency (or chicken-egg) problem in the mind-matter divide.

The egg!

And before that, some organism laid an egg. So, some lifeform existed before the egg

As you can see, a bit of a false dilemma; there is always some method to what is ostensibly madness

Even your first cause would have some method to its madness, no?

UyiIredia:

Mind is greater than matter. Matter in itself absolutely lacks mental properties; mind on the other hand has the ability to concieve of matter and this is why humans via their mind routinely effect new material configurations that did not exist before. So, the very nature of mind includes the concept of matter and power over it but matter in itself has no mind.

Let us examine your madness

You say all this while you yourself are "matter with mind"!

What am I missing here?

Or can you deny that?

Also, do computers posses mind? As you're also aware that they are capable of creating new material configurations, yes?

You're aware that an AI like alphago is capable of coming up with completely novel strategies on its own?