fash78:

Thanks bros. I will PM you.

Okay.

mufutau55:


I know my brother... Fact is that I never recommend anyone I have not used personally. Sova just blew it.
When @Rotecch77 was piping my plumbing. he actually told me to pay him when he finishes the job and that
was close to 1m, that is what I call trust because he knows I will never run away with his money, but I paid him
some money upfront because I know he will need to buy materials and gave him the balance when the job was
completed.
@Aventures used some of his money when I was doing my decking, not that I don't have the money but because
he trusted me and was well paid in the end.
I never start a stage on my build without having enough to do the job.
There are still good people around... we just need to find them. And Yes, even in Nigeria.

Hajji M.

@Aventures is one of the most humble Naija guy I ever did business with at distance, don't get me wrong there are many like him right here on these forum too. Spyder880 that name na BABA I mean in the last 4-6 years none any negative story about him that I know, I believe he has build more houses than any builder in this forum. I stand to be corrected especially in the east. Their are more younger professionals that have proven themselves to be the best at what they do, like abdulwastecx, rotech77, segzy14, skimanski, and many more. There is another finest builder with first two letters BITWORKS, or something.

kopell:
@Aventures is one of the most humble Naija guy I ever did business with at distance, don't get me wrong there are many like him right here on these forum too. Spyder880 that name na BABA I mean in the last 4-6 years none any negative story about him that I know, I believe he has build more houses than any builder in this forum. I stand to be corrected especially in the east. Their are more younger professionals that have proven themselves to be the best at what they do, like abdulwastecx, rotech77, segzy14, skimanski, and many more. There is another finest builder with first two letters BITWORKS, or something.

All those guys you mentioned above shall also be in my book of trust. I have created bond with so many people here and Segzy14 is one of them.
Let me tell you something about Segzy14 that will make me everly trust him.... this true story just had to be told.
During a stage on my build, I needed 700k quickly (I transferred some money but because of time difference, it was not available for use),
I and Segzy14 have become a good friend calling each other on daily basis. So I called him that I needed the 700k in a jiffy and if he has
that much to spare... he said "Don't worry Hajji, I have you covered, which account should I transfer the money" without even knowing when I will return the money.. he transferred the money based on trust. But of course by the next morning the money was already in his account.
At least I used the money when it was badly needed... Why will I not trust this person to build my house or recommend him?
So when I say there are still good people in Naija, Segzy14 is one of them to me personally; other people may say otherwise.
So please let's be honest with each other and create avenue for trust.

Hajji M.

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kopell:
@Aventures is one of the most humble Naija guy I ever did business with at distance, don't get me wrong there are many like him right here on these forum too. Spyder880 that name na BABA I mean in the last 4-6 years none any negative story about him that I know, I believe he has build more houses than any builder in this forum. I stand to be corrected especially in the east. Their are more younger professionals that have proven themselves to be the best at what they do, like abdulwastecx, rotech77, segzy14, skimanski, and many more. There is another finest builder with first two letters BITWORKS, or something.

TRUST
This is where most Nigerian contractors and artisans get it wrong. I usually coach younger supervisors and all artisans working directly under me that the greatest asset they can use to advance their career and business is trust. Trust is earned, not bought.

The biggest problem I have in this line of work is finding people to trust. I have spent so many years here training and retraining workers who will be patient enough to learn the basics of trust. And the few successes I have had here is because of these number of workers under me who I can trust to some extent. These include suppliers, distributors and artisans who are ready to put in hard work, to earn the trust of others.

Trust is a scarce commodity because the Nigerian mind has been wrongly programmed to pursue quick wealth. People no longer want to earn money, they want to "pack" money no mater where or how they make it.

Let us continue to identify the good and trustworthy types, encourage and reward them in our works. I pay my workers who are more upright higher than the ones I cannot trust. Then I slowly weed out workers who I suspect of being dubious.

abike12:


Lucky you. So far I've spent 700k on omo onile (500k foundation, 100k decking, 100k roofing) and they still had the NERVE to come and eat from the ram we cooked at the site over the holidays. I just dey look them

What the heck!.... seriously?. What service did they render you to deserve this?.

Geez, you should spend this on mopol to keep them off your property.


this is insane

@Haji Mufutau55
I am glad this has come to the open forum... after we have tried to settle this offline. Thank you for your patience, Fash78.
I am sorry this has turned out to be a disaster for Fash78 and I. I have recommended so many artisans both on NL and Non-NL
before and I was never in this kind of swindle or absconded business. This has left me sad... Money is not easy nowadays.
I have recommended this guy Sova to more than 10 people and has done satisfactory job. I did not see this one coming.
We have been trying to locate this guy for several months now... but all to no avail. But I am still working hard on this.
I have always stood behind those that I recommended but this is the first time my name has been dragged in mud.
All I have ever done is to help the Client and the Artisans... never demanded any form of payback from anyone.
With this disappointment, no recommendation will be forthcoming from me anymore.
I have supplied all his pictures I have and all the known address but he is yet to be found, but he still pay for his crime.
This has left me perplexed.... and lesson to never trust anyone.. I will keep working on this guy.




I forsee this happening over time. Our people are deceitful and play eye service a lot. My own observation with most of these artisans on NL property section is that they pay particular attention to Haji's project(most times they go beyond and above to please him) knowing fully well that, him being the moderator of property section, they need to be in his good books so as to gain his trust and recommendation.In American it is called " bait and switch " After they gained Haji Mufu's trust by providing him their best services (bait), even at a loss sometimes , they are guaranteed references from him and there goes their victims who they now show their true self (switch character) by jacking up the prices for the same quality of work they did for Haji or do inferior quality for same price etc.I'm a victim of such right now and we are still trying to resolve the issue.This is a guy people are singing his praises on this section.I'm still giving him a chance to protect his integrity or else I'll bring him to this section as well. It is so disheartening that they don't want you to owe them money, yet they don't see it as inequitable justice when they end up doing a lousy job after you would have paid them in full(sometimes over paid).This is why some of them remain inpoverished despite their toiling day and night.As long as they are dishonest and lack integrity, it will be almost impossible for those in these category to have a break through life.It is not a curse, it is just the simple truth of life and law of Kirma.Haji Mufutau, please stay away from recommending artisans on NL.I know you are a kind hearted man and you mean well, but please don't let anyone tarnish your good character. I personally, have relied many times on your recommendations, but moving forward, everyman to his own, OYO ( on your own). Let everybody do their due deligence and the artisans/contractors too will have to convince each individual one on one to get any contract.

Shawls:
@Haji Mufutau55
I am glad this has come to the open forum... after we have tried to settle this offline. Thank you for your patience, Fash78.
I am sorry this has turned out to be a disaster for Fash78 and I. I have recommended so many artisans both on NL and Non-NL
before and I was never in this kind of swindle or absconded business. This has left me sad... Money is not easy nowadays.
I have recommended this guy Sova to more than 10 people and has done satisfactory job. I did not see this one coming.
We have been trying to locate this guy for several months now... but all to no avail. But I am still working hard on this.
I have always stood behind those that I recommended but this is the first time my name has been dragged in mud.
All I have ever done is to help the Client and the Artisans... never demanded any form of payback from anyone.
With this disappointment, no recommendation will be forthcoming from me anymore.
I have supplied all his pictures I have and all the known address but he is yet to be found, but he still pay for his crime.
This has left me perplexed.... and lesson to never trust anyone.. I will keep working on this guy.




I forsee this happening over time. Our people are deceitful and play eye service a lot. My own observation with most of these artisans on NL property section is that they pay particular attention to Haji's project(most times they go beyond and above to please him) knowing fully well that, him being the moderator of property section, they need to be in his good books so as to gain his trust and recommendation.In American it is called " bait and switch " After they gained Haji Mufu's trust by providing him their best services (bait), even at a loss sometimes , they are guaranteed references from him and there goes their victims who they now show their true self (switch character) by jacking up the prices for the same quality of work they did for Haji or do inferior quality for same price etc.I'm a victim of such right now and we are still trying to resolve the issue.This is a guy people are singing his praises on this section.I'm still giving him a chance to protect his integrity or else I'll bring him to this section as well. It is so disheartening that they don't want you to owe them money, yet they don't see it as inequitable justice when they end up doing a lousy job after you would have paid them in full(sometimes over paid).This is why some of them remain inpoverished despite their toiling day and night.As long as they are dishonest and lack integrity, it will be almost impossible for those in these category to have a break through life.It is not a curse, it is just the simple truth of life and law of Kirma.Haji Mufutau, please stay away from recommending artisans on NL.I know you are a kind hearted man and you mean well, but please don't let anyone tarnish your good character. I personally, have relied many times on your recommendations, but moving forward, everyman to his own, OYO ( on your own). Let everybody do their due deligence and the artisans/contractors too will have to convince each individual one on one to get any contract.

Oga please mention the guy name. This way future wayoristic ones will sit up.
Alot of them here are wolf in sheep clothing, nice to some nlanders of high standing here just as you mentioned in the bait n switch method.
For example someone asked for a price here and you are asking the person to send you an email, what are you hiding? If you are good! , you are good!! No need to be funny except if you pressed with time then you can use the email approach.

abike12:


Lucky you. So far I've spent 700k on omo onile (500k foundation, 100k decking, 100k roofing) and they still had the NERVE to come and eat from the ram we cooked at the site over the holidays. I just dey look them

500k for foundation? Na stadium you they build? I know some of these guys are heartless but come on 500k for foundation for one house is ridiculous. Tell me this location and the Omonile leader name make we go retrieve your change. Decking and roofing okay but no no to that foundation

Good sum up.

I had about over 20 artisans/suppliers doing all sorts of things, out of that number. I can only trust 3/4. Its only those 3/4 that i am comfortable in recommending, I just pray they remain trustworthy.

spyder880:


TRUST
This is where most Nigerian contractors and artisans get it wrong. I usually coach younger supervisors and all artisans working directly under me that the greatest asset they can use to advance their career and business is trust. Trust is earned, not bought.

The biggest problem I have in this line of work is finding people to trust. I have spent so many years here training and retraining workers who will be patient enough to learn the basics of trust. And the few successes I have had here is because of these number of workers under me who I can trust to some extent. These include suppliers, distributors and artisans who are ready to put in hard work, to earn the trust of others.

Trust is a scarce commodity because the Nigerian mind has been wrongly programmed to pursue quick wealth. People no longer want to earn money, they want to "pack" money no mater where or how they make it.

Let us continue to identify the good and trustworthy types, encourage and reward them in our works. I pay my workers who are more upright higher than the ones I cannot trust. Then I slowly weed out workers who I suspect of being dubious.

Shawls:
@Haji Mufutau55
I am glad this has come to the open forum... after we have tried to settle this offline. Thank you for your patience, Fash78.
I am sorry this has turned out to be a disaster for Fash78 and I. I have recommended so many artisans both on NL and Non-NL
before and I was never in this kind of swindle or absconded business. This has left me sad... Money is not easy nowadays.
I have recommended this guy Sova to more than 10 people and has done satisfactory job. I did not see this one coming.
We have been trying to locate this guy for several months now... but all to no avail. But I am still working hard on this.
I have always stood behind those that I recommended but this is the first time my name has been dragged in mud.
All I have ever done is to help the Client and the Artisans... never demanded any form of payback from anyone.
With this disappointment, no recommendation will be forthcoming from me anymore.
I have supplied all his pictures I have and all the known address but he is yet to be found, but he still pay for his crime.
This has left me perplexed.... and lesson to never trust anyone.. I will keep working on this guy

This is my first comment here, I have been following the tread since last year.
I want to appreciate Haji Mufutau55 and everyone here most especially our people in diaspora for engage our youth.
If you don't know you're doing a great work by helping Idle hands.
Pls Haji Mufutau55 I will plead with you not to relent in doing good. Don't let this bad act of an individual to stop you from continue doing good.
Is just unfortunate that some of these Artisans believe that once you're work in an office you use Biro to change figure to make your money there. It happen everywhere in Nigeria, have seen Wilder in my area in Lagos stealing tonne of iron rods melt for casting.
For the good work of the people here to continue, I will volunteer to help do background check of any naira land Artisans in Lagos you want engage to do your work and I will help monitor the progress of the work. Am not a contractor, I deal in agro. commodities trading but stay around most time when there is no supply.
The funny part is that there are many faithful Artisans offline that don't know they can get work on naira land.
I stay in Awoyaya (Ibeju Lekki) Lagos
you can reach me here: attehadeshina@yahoo.com
Mr. Ade

Reason why i was doing the reitirement home, thou i was tempted in contracting it out to some Nairaland builders i had some misgivings because the price some were Qouting was way out of my League i had to jejely sort out my own Artisan i am can surely say i have not been ´disappointed.
In naija artisan dosens't have the love to their work it is only a means to an end

I have just been able to catch up on this thread.
It's really disheartening that someone that has been selflessly rendering help in recommending clients has been made to look bad.
Hajj has recommended me to more clients than I can recollect. I will forever be grateful and I completely understand how betrayed he must have been by the sova person.
Like someone rightly stated here, most times artisans and business people tend to their immediate needs first before doing job they have been engaged in. I was just discussing this with a friend into real estate development some few days ago. This was the reason he gave for the closure of companies he met in the business. I think @44chucks perfectly got it.
I supplied the project in question paint and painter recommended by Hajji.
Although there was delays in some works most likely as a result of this issue and I complain for delays and Mr fash has always been very apologetic on behalf of the workers causing delays and very gentlemanly about it. I never had the slightest idea it's something this serious!
Mistakes could occur but the best way forward would have been seeking for solution with the client.
I'm saddened because such people make it impossible for others to get help.
I'm certain the person would be following up online also. It's just a matter of time before he is apprehended.
I don't have any advice for clients but to do their due diligence like many people have said here. My advice to contractors and artisans is not to collect a job they feel they can't comfortably do and if there is increase in price after collecting the job, they should let the client be aware and renegotiate based on the current price otherwise problems like this would keep occurring whether their clients are from nairaland or otherwise.

Empiree:
how much is average monthly internet service (remote camera) from oversea?

Just go for an "unlimited Broadband package" that costs about 10K ($25) per Month.

Chose the "Internet Provider" wisely because some wll give you a service that has a lot of "lagging" in it.
That is not good for video transmission



Lastpage!

lastpage:


Just go for an "unlimited Broadband package" that costs about 10K ($25) per Month.

Chose the "Internet Provider" wisely because some wll give you a service that has a lot of "lagging" in it.
That is not good for video transmission



Lastpage!

which one does 10k per month .... UNLIMITED

lastpage:




Why cant you just put the information on here, just as Builders do when people ask them for costings of the build?
Whats the secrecy all about? ....on this type of forum?

I think we have gone past the stage where people/contractors hide prices.
Even AllCopacetic made a "priced catalogue" and it instead of making him lose market, he got more clients because it shows he is "openly honest" about his dealings with Clients and knows his stuff 101%.
I am yet to find one, single person that has complained about the goods he supplied.
He has supplied me Electrical stuffs in the past, without even knowing it was me.

Aahbeggi...




Lastpage!

There is nothing like secrecy... prices are everywhere, you dont discuss security matter in the open forum...

by the way i dont sell cameras i installed and make recommendations
thank you

Empiree:
how much is average monthly internet service (remote camera) from oversea?

depend on number of cameras..i have a client with just 4 cams and subscribed for only 10gb per month which is around 8k, the numbers of cameras determine bandwidth usage.. and also how often do you view remotely over there

On this issue of artisans misbehaving and being dishonest; I find, as someone who has built twice and is on the third build now - and whose main "ambassadors" when is comes to dealing with workmen is his aged mum and little brother- that building is not near as complicated as we make it on this page. The basics have not changed from what it is from time immemorial, what has changed is the aesthetics. I find that contrary to people's perception that workmen are not adaptable, they can indeed adapt, at least as long as their intellect permits- which I find in most cases is good enough, as long as you do not have the desire to make them do what Skimanski does.

I find also that, it is better if you can find someone local to the workmen to liaise with them as per the costing, if you are in diaspora. Just ensure their are pictorial instructions as to exactly what you want, and ensure your folks have pictures sent to you at each and every step of the build. I am sometimes at home and just listen in when artisans talk to my folks- not knowing I am the person they are actually building for. I instruct on what I want as if I am just chipping in advice. If they knew they are building for someone "in abroad" then the charges skyrocket.

This is not to disparage the policy of calling up artisans and speaking with then directly as a lot of us here do. This is me just- for all it is worth- chipping in with an alternative, which is what I have done and which (touch wood) has helped. I have studied this page silently for years and learnt a lot and it is ideas from here that helped me along the line.

I submit that if you can help not letting artisans know you or your base, it could actually work in your favour, you will save more as they will not overcharge. The caveat though is that you must have someone on ground who knows your taste and will ensure it is carried out to the letter. Ire!

ice4u999:


500k for foundation? Na stadium you they build? I know some of these guys are heartless but come on 500k for foundation for one house is ridiculous. Tell me this location and the Omonile leader name make we go retrieve your change. Decking and roofing okay but no no to that foundation

Lagos. Nope, it's definitely not a stadium. The baale of the community lives like 3 houses away so that made it worse. I think they are more aggressive because the area is almost built up so these are the last few empty lands they can tax. I heard they still collected from the man that sold me the land.

Empiree:
What the heck!.... seriously?. What service did they render you to deserve this?.

Geez, you should spend this on mopol to keep them off your property.


this is insane

no need. when I've almost finished.

kopell:
Na waooo, ibi like say U dey print money. I beg where is that your location way you the dish out cash like that? Are you aware there is new law in town? They can not just come to your site like those days. All you need is to agree on a little stipend with them not that kind of amount of money, as if you're buying another land from them.

I was very bitter about the first payment especially. They collected it and even gave us receipt.

guess i'm late in arriving... not bad thou; at least i arrived safely.

[quote author=abike12 post=53089621]

Lagos. Nope, it's definitely not a stadium. The baale of the community lives like 3 houses away so that made it worse. I think they are more aggressive because the area is almost built up so these are the last few empty lands they can tax. I heard they still collected from the man that sold me the land.



no need. when I've almost finished.



I was very bitter about the first payment especially. They collected it and even gave us

Where exactly in Lagos?

abike12:


Lagos. Nope, it's definitely not a stadium. The baale of the community lives like 3 houses away so that made it worse. I think they are more aggressive because the area is almost built up so these are the last few empty lands they can tax. I heard they still collected from the man that sold me the land.



no need. when I've almost finished.



I was very bitter about the first payment especially. They collected it and even gave us receipt.

Where exactly in Lagos?

ice4u999:


Where exactly in Lagos?

Ojodu

3strikes:
All I want to do this year is to just read and learn..............................I will not be making too many colorful comments with big fonts.

Sorry Fash and thanks for calling the idiot out. Everybody be warned!

THis is why I dey do my own jejely, B4 I turn semi pro so I know waht to look out for nxt time.Money do not grow on tress abroad or anywhere in the world.Me will always buy materials so that I pay for labour Only,

erico2k2:

THis is why I dey do my own jejely, B4 I turn semi pro so I know waht to look out for nxt time.Money do not grow on tress abroad or anywhere in the world.Me will always buy materials so that I pay for labour Only,

I was at the sawmill today to price wood. Yeah labor only for me.

EgunMogaji:


I was at the sawmill today to price wood. Yeah labor only for me.

haha nicce one,I never you knew you was i n 9ja, I have spent 41 days now back at the end of the month, I have finished the stage I came for which is decking, I just realize i got loads of chippings hanging about so im gathering them together

erico2k2:

haha nicce one,I never you knew you was i n 9ja, I have spent 41 days now back at the end of the month, I have finished the stage I came for which is decking, I just realize i got loads of chippings hanging about so im gathering them together

I left and came back actually, naija sweet die. Not doing much of the site actually except planting a gateman house and doing tiles.

kopell:
@Aventures is one of the most humble Naija guy I ever did business with at distance, don't get me wrong there are many like him right here on these forum too. Spyder880 that name na BABA I mean in the last 4-6 years none any negative story about him that I know, I believe he has build more houses than any builder in this forum. I stand to be corrected especially in the east. Their are more younger professionals that have proven themselves to be the best at what they do, like abdulwastecx, rotech77, segzy14, skimanski, and many more. There is another finest builder with first two letters BITWORKS, or something.

in honest truth we must appreciate God and the concept of Nairaland. Nairaland actually helped some of us to step up our level of integrity, even made some of us to have better understanding of what integrity is all about. My first client that ever paid me on NL has become like a sister to me, at first I insisted that she should please get a lawyer and pay me thru the lawyer, as today over six years counting we ate still together a times I will just get alert for no cause, and she will later call to say just keep it we ll need it later. in six years plus we only met in person once in 2015 Dec. On that day I equally met her husband, and the man issue a statement that gladdens my heart more than millions of dollars, I quote " I am highly disappointed I thought I am coming to Nigeria to make jess of my wife for trusting a Nigerian, but alas reverse was the case I now have confidence that with people like you there is hope for Nigeria" end of quote. Honestly that day I understand better that it is not all about mo ey but good name. Thanks to platform like this Nairaland who helped some of us to prove that there is hope for Nigeria. Thanks to all who took the risk of trying g us with their hardearn money: Hajj, kopell, entrepreneur, the list is endless and so many Nairalanders without ID. We are equally proud of you.

Aventures:
in honest truth we must appreciate God and the concept of Nairaland. Nairaland actually helped some of us to step up our level of integrity, even made some of us to have better understanding of what integrity is all about. My first client that ever paid me on NL has become like a sister to me, at first I insisted that she should please get a lawyer and pay me thru the lawyer, as today over six years counting we ate still together a times I will just get alert for no cause, and she will later call to say just keep it we ll need it later. in six years plus we only met in person once in 2015 Dec. On that day I equally met her husband, and the man issue a statement that gladdens my heart more than millions of dollars, I quote " I am highly disappointed I thought I am coming to Nigeria to make jess of my wife for trusting a Nigerian, but alas reverse was the case I now have confidence that with people like you there is hope for Nigeria" end of quote. Honestly that day I understand better that it is not all about mo ey but good name. Thanks to platform like this Nairaland who helped some of us to prove that there is hope for Nigeria. Thanks to all who took the risk of trying g us with their hardearn money: Hajj, kopell, entrepreneur, the list is endless and so many Nairalanders without ID. We are equally proud of you.

Most TRUSTED, TESTED, SKILLFUL, HONEST, WANTED, ELOQUENT... words can not express the GIFT in you. Tuale Avoid Risk(Aventure)

fash78:

Thanks bros. I will PM you.

Egbon Fash, If you no call me for house warming we go fight. We have always be together from foundation with no eye contact. Fash Baba i feel u

Egbon Fash who dare you, will feel the power of KOBOKO.

Kasimeme:
On this issue of artisans misbehaving and being dishonest; I find, as someone who has built twice and is on the third build now - and whose main "ambassadors" when is comes to dealing with workmen is his aged mum and little brother- that building is not near as complicated as we make it on this page. The basics have not changed from what it is from time immemorial, what has changed is the aesthetics. I find that contrary to people's perception that workmen are not adaptable, they can indeed adapt, at least as long as their intellect permits- which I find in most cases is good enough, as long as you do not have the desire to make them do what Skimanski does.

I find also that, it is better if you can find someone local to the workmen to liaise with them as per the costing, if you are in diaspora. Just ensure their are pictorial instructions as to exactly what you want, and ensure your folks have pictures sent to you at each and every step of the build. I am sometimes at home and just listen in when artisans talk to my folks- not knowing I am the person they are actually building for. I instruct on what I want as if I am just chipping in advice. If they knew they are building for someone "in abroad" then the charges skyrocket.

This is not to disparage the policy of calling up artisans and speaking with then directly as a lot of us here do. This is me just- for all it is worth- chipping in with an alternative, which is what I have done and which (touch wood) has helped. I have studied this page silently for years and learnt a lot and it is ideas from here that helped me along the line.

I submit that if you can help not letting artisans know you or your base, it could actually work in your favour, you will save more as they will not overcharge. The caveat though is that you must have someone on ground who knows your taste and will ensure it is carried out to the letter. Ire!

Agreed. Calling them from outside the country is just asking for problems. They need to deal with someone locally for accountability and also they won't feel there's an unlimited supply of money if they're dealing locally. When you call from 'abroad' they just see excess money.

abike12:


Agreed. Calling them from outside the country is just asking for problems. They need to deal with someone locally for accountability and also they won't feel there's an unlimited supply of money if they're dealing locally. When you call from 'abroad' they just see excess money.

Reality "fact"