Unfortunately, there is no Islamic theory that reject "the theory of evolution" as a whole. Islam only put limitation as per man, some say. And some even argued evolution of man is in line with Islamic understanding.

Many Muslims see this theory as a Kufr theory without a proper understanding of it and not to mention of striking a balance between it and Quranic theory.

These two scholars have done justice to the topic:

# Evolution and God | Prof. Hassanain Rajabali '

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYIGU6Ay710


# Quran and Evolution - Dr. Yassir al-Qadhi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPuoGVlCjZ0

tintingz these are also nice videos.

AlBaqir:
tintingz these are also nice videos.

OK, Jazakallahu khairan.

tintingz like this type of thing. I can't pronunce your moniker without smiling

tintingz:
OK, Jazakallahu khairan.

Wa ihyak my brother

Empiree:
tintingz like this type of thing. I can't pronunce your moniker without smiling

Really its educating and enlighten. tintingz: Really the alias funny

^^ You guys should stop whining o.

Anyways am not through with the videos, still on the first one.

Interesting videos, i enjoyed the lectures.

Asalamu alaikum,

check the book Atheism Delusion by Sayed Ahmed al-Hasan http://saviorofmankind.com/Atheism_Delusion/

in it he disproves the beliefs of major religious scholars that Evolution is false, disproves the Atheist belief that Evolution isn't purposeful, proves Evolution is compatible with the Holy Quran and Divine religion of Allah swt and more.

tintingz:
Interesting videos, i enjoyed the lectures.

Salam brother,

Welcome back from the unending discussion of you and sino

# What's your beliefs about the theory (and proves) of Evolution?

In sha Allah, there are lots to discuss here but let's just take it one after the other.

AlBaqir:


Salam brother,

Wa'salaam bro.

Welcome back from the unending discussion of you and sino

Lol.

# What's your beliefs about the theory (and proves) of Evolution?

In sha Allah, there are lots to discuss here but let's just take it one after the other.

Well my beliefs on evolution theories are strong and that doesn't make me reject the existence of God or an intelligent design.

I believe we were all created by an intelligent design and evolution took place, we can't deny or reject evolution (I used to in past until I did a deep research), there are evidence of evolution.

In the video, the Islamic lecturer admitted dinosaurs existed because there are evidence/proves.

tintingz:


Well my beliefs on evolution theories are strong and that doesn't make me reject the existence of God or an intelligent design.

I believe we were all created by an intelligent design and evolution took place, we can't deny or reject evolution (I used to in past until I did a deep research), there are evidence of evolution.

In the video, the Islamic lecturer admitted dinosaurs existed because there are evidence/proves.

# So, we are very much on the same page then. I also have a very strong belief on evolution.

# In the video however, I seemed not comfortable with the speaker's theory on Nabi Adam's creation. Its not scientific at all. And with that he rejected the evolutionary process of man while accepting others. I believe man's developmental stages are also via evolution. Even, the fact that evolution is a continuous process with no end testify to that.

# This is a bold, brilliant, well-researched Dr. Adana Ibrahim. He has not let fake ahadith delude him from truth. You need to watch this video: Its on evolution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S50U6q5ZuCE&fulldescription=1&hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=US

AlBaqir:


# So, we are very much on the same page then. I also have a very strong belief on evolution.

# In the video however, I seemed not comfortable with the speaker's theory on Nabi Adam's creation. Its not scientific at all. And with that he rejected the evolutionary process of man while accepting others. I believe man's developmental stages are also via evolution. Even, the fact that evolution is a continuous process with no end testify to that.

# This is a bold, brilliant, well-researched Dr. Adana Ibrahim. He has not let fake ahadith delude him from truth. You need to watch this video: Its on evolution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S50U6q5ZuCE&fulldescription=1&hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=US

- It is good seeing Muslim brothers & sisters accepting evolutionary history and having knowledge of it.

- Yes, that's where the lecturer got it shaky, human evolution took place and anyone that reject it is denying
him-herself the reality truth.

- Like you said evolution is a continuous process, we're still evolving and there are signs we're still evolving, that alone is a prove.

- I will take my time to watch the video.

@ Albaqir, thanks for sharing the above video, this is the kind of scholars we need not the ones that talk out of ignorance. We need Islamic scholars that have knowledge of both Science and scriptures.

But I disagree when he said Adam language is Arabic, yes Arabic is one of the oldest language in history but not the language of the primitive people/early humans. The primitive people communicate with signs and symbols.

tintingz:
@ Albaqir, thanks for sharing the above video, this is the kind of scholars we need not the ones that talk out of ignorance. We need Islamic scholars that have knowledge of both Science and scriptures.

But I disagree when he said Adam language is Arabic, yes Arabic is one of the oldest language in history but not the language of the primitive people/early humans. The primitive people communicate with signs and symbols.

I doubt he said Adam's language was Arabic. Let me watch carefully once again.

It has been proven without doubt that Adam was a black man from Africa contrary to the image of "white" we are made to believe in. In fact further research showed that all other skin colors evolved from black skin. So there is absolutely no way Adam's language could be Arabic.

AlBaqir:


I doubt he said Adam's language was Arabic. Let me watch carefully once again.

It has been proven without doubt that Adam was a black man from Africa. In fact further research showed that all other skin colors evolved from black skin. So there is absolutely no way Adam's language could be Arabic.

He didn't actually said it from his mouth, it was shown in the screen.

Yes, the first man was said to come from Africa.

tintingz:
He didn't actually said it from his mouth, it was shown in the screen.

Yes, the first man was said to come from Africa.

Yeah. And I don't want to take those statements as he's (Dr. Adnan Ibrahim) since the video is an edited version by an organization.

# Arabic might be one of the oldest languages but obviously its not the oldest or first language spoken by first man, Adam.

# What the statement is trying to prove is basically on the word "Adam" to support that his creation was in stages (evolution).

AlBaqir:


Yeah. And I don't want to take those statements as he's (Dr. Adnan Ibrahim) since the video is an edited version by an organization.

# Arabic might be one of the oldest languages but obviously its not the oldest or first language spoken by first man, Adam.

# What the statement is trying to prove is basically on the word "Adam" to support that his creation was in stages (evolution).

My thought as well. @bolded.

I regretted arguing in the past that evolution never occur, how I wish I can go back and change my arguments and thinking( i call those days, days of my ignorance) but my thinking has changed anyways.

If you get time machine for house abeg borrow me.

tintingz:
My thought as well. @bolded.

I regretted arguing in the past that evolution never occur, how I wish I can go back and change my arguments and thinking( i call those days, days of my ignorance) but my thinking has changed anyways.

If you get time machine for house abeg borrow me.

We all have made many ignorant remarks and argue blindly in the past. However we can learn from those regret that patience and honesty is the key especially when we have little or no knowledge about something. Also its good listening or reading diverse discussion as against being rigid and narrow minded.

AlBaqir:




We all have made many ignorant remarks and argue blindly in the past. However we can learn from those regret that patience and honesty is the key especially when we have little or no knowledge about something. Also its good listening or reading diverse discussion as against being rigid and narrow minded.

Well said.

tintingz:
Well said.

How about Islam and biochemistry, is biochemistry in conflict with Islam on the creation of earth?

Empiree:
How about Islam and biochemistry, is biochemistry in conflict with Islam on the creation of earth?

Not at all.

The Quran said everything started with water, science researches shows the earth was filled with water and mutation and other stuffs occurs(the big bang theory).

Although there are some conflicts aside from how earth came to be but its minor, like the astronomy, cosmics etc. I'm still doing research on that though.

Quran said we're created from sand, clay, dust.

Science said humans mutate as a result of bacteria(genes).

But if we study deep it still fall under same hypothesis, since both Quran and Science agreed we all came from water then it is possible the dust Quran talk of is the bacteria science talk of.

The lecturer in the video even addressed this issue, the mistake traditional Muslims do concerning evolution.

tintingz:
Not at all.

The Quran said everything started with water, science researches shows the earth was filled with water and mutation and other stuffs occurs(the big bang theory).

Although there are some conflicts aside from how earth came to be but its minor, like the astronomy, cosmics etc. I'm still doing research on that though.

Quran said we're created from sand, clay, dust.

Science said humans mutate as a result of bacteria(genes).

But if we study deep it still fall under same hypothesis, since both Quran and Science agreed we all came from water then it is possible the dust Quran talk of is the bacteria science talk of.

The lecturer in the video even addressed this issue, the mistake traditional Muslims do concerning evolution.

Well said bro. I however don't want to take "clay, dust, sand" as literal as we know it though Allah is the Creator and can create from whatever He wishes. The fact that another ayah says "water" make the suggestion expansive, flexible, and diverse

# If it is literal clay, dust and sand, at every stage of Adam's moulding, was he just a rigid, lifeless statue? Or at every stage of his creation, there is life in him? Literalist will say it was after he has been fashioned completely that life enters him. They usually base their argument with literal understanding of the Quran that says so. However the fact that Quran says "everything" glorify and praise Allah. An unconscious thing can never glorify and praise Allah. I am of firm belief that Adam's creation was progressive till perfection (I.e evolution in scientific term), and there is life (awareness) in him at every stage.

# The analogy above can be liken to foetus development from fertilization stage. Life starts from the very first stage.

This is quite amusing, evolution and Islam...

First you all forgot about the fact that Allah (SWT) states in the Qur'an,

2:117- The Initiator of the heavens and the earth: to have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.
3:47- She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "God thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, 'Be,' and it is."
6:73- He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, truthfully. Whenever He says, "Be," it is. His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him the day the trumpet is blown. Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.
16:40- To have anything done, we simply say to it, "Be," and it is.
19:35- It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is."
36:82- All He needs to do to carry out any command is say to it, "Be," and it is.
40:68- He is the only One who controls life and death. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.
(Translations as taken from wiki..)

Secondly, you also have forgotten Allah said:
And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: “Tell me the names of these if you are truthful.”

They said: “Glory be to You! We possess no knowledge save what You have taught us. Indeed, You alone are All-Knowing, the Wise.”

He said: “O Adam! Inform them of their names.” When he had informed them, Allah said: “Did I not tell you that I know what is unseen in the heavens and on Earth, and I know what you reveal and what you hide?” [Sūrah al-Baqarah: 31-33]

Was it sign language Allah (SWT) used or some extinct language...THINK

Thirdly, How many years did it take "mutations" to occur, to bring about the first man?! No scratch that, how many years did it take "the big bang" to bring about the earth, or even the Sun?! or our solar systems?! Can you please put it side by side with Allah's clear statement of Be, and it is?! Also, put into consideration another verse of the Qur'an:

“Indeed, your Lord is Allaah, Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and then He rose over (Istawa) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty)”

[al-A’raaf 7:54]

Well you guys can continue with your speculations....

AlBaqir:


Well said bro. I however don't want to take "clay, dust, sand" as literal as we know it though Allah is the Creator and can create from whatever He wishes. The fact that another ayah says "water" make the suggestion expansive, flexible, and diverse

# If it is literal clay, dust and sand, at every stage of Adam's moulding, was he just a rigid, lifeless statue? Or at every stage of his creation, there is life in him? Literalist will say it was after he has been fashioned completely that life enters him. They usually base their argument with literal understanding of the Quran that says so. However the fact that Quran says "everything" glorify and praise Allah. An unconscious thing can never glorify and praise Allah. I am of firm belief that Adam's creation was progressive till perfection (I.e evolution in scientific term), and there is life (awareness) in him at every stage.

# The analogy above can be liken to foetus development from fertilization stage. Life starts from the very first stage.

You just make this more clearer.

Many Muslims (especially the traditional Muslims) believes everything happened like swift in few days because of the duration in the Quran, I like the lecturer when he said a day in the sight of Allah is many years.

He also touch on ape, that science believe our ancestors are apes which many religious people misunderstood, including me in the past and make mockery of it, this is ignorance, science didn't say we're descendant of apes but we were ape-like. There are evidence in museum, bones of early humans in ape shape.

In fact research shows humans share 99% DNA with Chimps, with shows we came from same source and natural selection favor humans.

sino:
This is quite amusing, evolution and Islam...

First you all forgot about the fact that Allah (SWT) states in the Qur'an,

2:117- The Initiator of the heavens and the earth: to have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.
3:47- She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "God thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, 'Be,' and it is."
6:73- He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, truthfully. Whenever He says, "Be," it is. His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him the day the trumpet is blown. Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.
16:40- To have anything done, we simply say to it, "Be," and it is.
19:35- It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is."
36:82- All He needs to do to carry out any command is say to it, "Be," and it is.
40:68- He is the only One who controls life and death. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.
(Translations as taken from wiki..)

Do you really believe everything came up in one night? Because of the statement "be and it is"?

Even Muslim scientists knows everything took stages and progress.

And you claim to have knowledge in science.

Secondly, you also have forgotten Allah said:
And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: “Tell me the names of these if you are truthful.”

They said: “Glory be to You! We possess no knowledge save what You have taught us. Indeed, You alone are All-Knowing, the Wise.”

He said: “O Adam! Inform them of their names.” When he had informed them, Allah said: “Did I not tell you that I know what is unseen in the heavens and on Earth, and I know what you reveal and what you hide?” [Sūrah al-Baqarah: 31-33]

Was it sign language Allah (SWT) used or some extinct language...THINK

Start by telling us the language of Adam and how early humans communicate.

Thirdly, How many years did it take "mutations" to occur, to bring about the first man?! No scratch that, how many years did it take "the big bang" to bring about the earth, or even the Sun?! or our solar systems?! Can you please put it side by side with Allah's clear statement of Be, and it is?! Also, put into consideration another verse of the Qur'an:

“Indeed, your Lord is Allaah, Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and then He rose over (Istawa) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty)”

[al-A’raaf 7:54]

Well you guys can continue with your speculations....

It amaze me how someone who claim to have knowledge of science speak out of ignorance, everything is process and stages.

The heaven and earth was created in six days right, what does this verse means?

They challenge you to bring retribution, and GOD never fails to fulfill His prophecy. A day of your Lord is like a thousand of your years. (Quran 22:47).

tintingz, thanks for those responses. I obviously cannot do better especially when it comes to discussing science with Cavemen's mentality.

# Creation in Quranic sense is far different from Ahadith sense. Cavemen favour the later than the former or usually bend the former to agree with the later. If Quran says heaven and earth and what is between them were created in 6 days, it gives us the length of a single day to mean period that can equal thousands of years. This is science agreed. With some bogus ahadith, 6 days equal 24hrs X 6. And you can easily calculate Adam's age which obviously contradict scientific proven.

# You see bogus ahadith in Bukhari, Muslim, et al saying Meat spoilage, for example only started when Israelites were cursed, that is a few 100 years ago to the time of our Prophet whereas scientist affirm Bacteria that causes meat spoilage have been in existence millions of years. Yet this kind of ahadith were attributed to the Prophet and cavemen will die defending it and reject science ignorantly.

tintingz:
Do you really believe everything came up in one night? Because of the statement "be and it is"?

Even Muslim scientists knows everything took stages and progress.

And you claim to have knowledge in science.

Start by telling us the language of Adam and how early humans communicate.

It amaze me how someone who claim to have knowledge of science speak out of ignorance, everything is process and stages.

This is beautiful bro.

# Embryology (from fertilization till birth) is by the command of Allah " Be and it is" yet it took developmental stages.

# Amazing Heaven and Earth were created with "Be and it is", yet it was a developmental stages of creation.

# Cavemen simply want us to believe that " Be and it is" is a kind of "seconds" happening whereas it only depict the power of Allah over everything. He is Al-Hakim, His Wisdom lies in making things develop in stages rather than "magic seconds" that cavemen established though our Lord has Power to do whatever He wills but He exercise this Power with His wisdom. He simply do not leave the idea of "creation in no time" rather He points to stages of development in His entire creation.

tintingz:
Do you really believe everything came up in one night? Because of the statement "be and it is"?

Even Muslim scientists knows everything took stages and progress.

And you claim to have knowledge in science.

Of course things were in stages, and there is an explanation for Allah's statement about creating the heavens and the earth in six days, and this does not limit Allah (SWT) to following such stages or process before creation...

"Be and it is", is a powerful statement, but I am sure you do not understand, well to help you a bit, Musa (AS) was said to have divided the red sea which just a stick at an instant, and the same stick became a snake at an instant! Not to mention the story about how Ibrahim(as) asked how Allah (SWT) created things of which he was instructed to do an experiment with four birds, kill them and divide them on four mountains and they all came to him at an instant!

I laugh in spanglish, my knowledge of science does not put me in opposition to my religious beliefs.

tintingz:

Start by telling us the language of Adam and how early humans communicate.

You are the theorist na, you said sign language, and I was wondering when Allah (SWT) stated categorically he taught Adam (as) everything, and thereafter asked him to mention things for the Angels, perhaps it was sign language they were all using...leading to the pertinent question about creation and evolution, was the first man a complete creation with speech capabilities and intellect, or he evolved from a sub-par ancestors of dumb and less and poorly intelligent apes...?!

tintingz:

It amaze me how someone who claim to have knowledge of science speak out of ignorance, everything is process and stages.

The heaven and earth was created in six days right, what does this verse means?

They challenge you to bring retribution, and GOD never fails to fulfill His prophecy. A day of your Lord is like a thousand of your years. (Quran 22:47).

6 days to Allah (SWT) * 1000 (Years of humans) = 6000 years and in another verse, it says a day is like 15,000 years, so, 6 * 15,000 years = 90,000 years, so how many years did it take for earth to be formed by evolution again?! Or how long did it take a single cell to evolve and become a human being?!

AlBaqir:


This is beautiful bro.

# Embryology (from fertilization till birth) is by the command of Allah " Be and it is" yet it took developmental stages.

# Amazing Heaven and Earth were created with "Be and it is", yet it was a developmental stages of creation.

# Cavemen simply want us to believe that " Be and it is" is a kind of "seconds" happening whereas it only depict the power of Allah over everything. He is Al-Hakim, His Wisdom lies in making things develop in stages rather than "magic seconds" that cavemen established though our Lord has Power to do whatever He wills but He exercise this Power with His wisdom. He simply do not leave the idea of "creation in no time" rather He points to stages of development in His entire creation.

Lol, i love it when you call them cavemen, indeed these sets of Muslims have cavemen mentality.

It's like their brain was left in ancient time.

sino:

Of course things were in stages, and there is an explanation for Allah's statement about creating the heavens and the earth in six days, and this does not limit Allah (SWT) to following such stages or process before creation...

"Be and it is", is a powerful statement, but I am sure you do not understand, well to help you a bit, Musa (AS) was said to have divided the red sea which just a stick at an instant, and the same stick became a snake at an instant! Not to mention the story about how Ibrahim(as) asked how Allah (SWT) created things of which he was instructed to do an experiment with four birds, kill them and divide them on four mountains and they all came to him at an instant!

I laugh in spanglish, my knowledge of science does not put me in opposition to my religious beliefs.

You are the theorist na, you said sign language, and I was wondering when Allah (SWT) stated categorically he taught Adam (as) everything, and thereafter asked him to mention things for the Angels, perhaps it was sign language they were all using...leading to the pertinent question about creation and evolution, was the first man a complete creation with speech capabilities and intellect, or he evolved from a sub-par ancestors of dumb and less and poorly intelligent apes...?!



6 days to Allah (SWT) * 1000 (Years of humans) = 6000 years and in another verse, it says a day is like 15,000 years, so, 6 * 15,000 years = 90,000 years, so how many years did it take for earth to be formed by evolution again?! Or how long did it take a single cell to evolve and become a human being?!

With all these ignorance you just spit out, are you saying science discoveries are invalid?

The difference between what you just posted and science is that one has evidence and the other is wiggling on air.

No wonder Albaqir keep calling you people cavemen.

tintingz:
With all these ignorance you just spit out, are you saying science discoveries are invalid?

The difference between what you just posted and science is that one has evidence and the other is wiggling on air.

No wonder Albaqir keep calling you people cavemen.

You guys are the "knowledgeable" ones who are trying to explain Islam and evolution, I have only quoted what can be found in the Qur'an and asked relevant questions, so let your fan, AlBaqir, come to your rescue, I see you are already out of your depth on this one....

Scientific discoveries or speculations?!

sino:


You guys are the "knowledgeable" ones who are trying to explain Islam and evolution, I have only quoted what can be found in the Qur'an and asked relevant questions, so let your fan, AlBaqir, come to your rescue, I see you are already out of your depth on this one....

Scientific discoveries or speculations?!

Lol, you should know my argument are mostly about evidence not spirituality, I've limited by beliefs about spirituality, you should know that from all our previous arguments.

No Muslim scientists will accept your claims.

If I reply you, I will sound like an atheist/agnostic.

So yes, Albaqir can contribute to what you posted .