Mickael2:


Let me ask you something, Forgiveness too... now that Mikel has gone to China which is not a competitive league by any standard, should he still be commanding an automatic spot in our starting eleven? Remember that the coach said that if Ighalo moves to China he would be forgotten, Fanendo Adi has not been invited since because he is presumably playing in a weak league but the US league is obviously better than the Chinese league, So shouldn't Mikel be treated the same way for the sake of equality?

GoodJoe before you answer, remember you said training with a good coach trumps game time, what's the name of the coach that Mikel is going to be training with? I don't know, So isn't he going to start declining?

Mickael2:


Let me ask you something, Forgiveness too... now that Mikel has gone to China which is not a competitive league by any standard, should he still be commanding an automatic spot in our starting eleven? Remember that the coach said that if Ighalo moves to China he would be forgotten, Fanendo Adi has not been invited since because he is presumably playing in a weak league but the US league is obviously better than the Chinese league, So shouldn't Mikel be treated the same way for the sake of equality?

GoodJoe before you answer, remember you said training with a good coach trumps game time, what's the name of the coach that Mikel is going to be training with? I don't know, So isn't he going to start declining?

BascoVanVeli:


What does that mean? Didn't Isaac Success stay put and fight a relegation battle? Plus football is a business, it's not about heart. He cannot go anywhere he wants, he is owned by a team.

BascoVanVeli:


Is he the first to get an offer? Celtic are not real madrid the boy should chill till the summer.

TheGoodJoe:


If Isaac Success had an offer from a better club during the transfer window, would you advice him to stay put?

Isaac Success stayed because no better offer was on the table.

Mickael2:


Let me ask you something, Forgiveness too... now that Mikel has gone to China which is not a competitive league by any standard, should he still be commanding an automatic spot in our starting eleven? Remember that the coach said that if Ighalo moves to China he would be forgotten, Fanendo Adi has not been invited since because he is presumably playing in a weak league but the US league is obviously better than the Chinese league, So shouldn't Mikel be treated the same way for the sake of equality?

GoodJoe before you answer, remember you said training with a good coach trumps game time, what's the name of the coach that Mikel is going to be training with? I don't know, So isn't he going to start declining?

TheGoodJoe:


I still do not get why Onyekuru should chill when there is a better offer than Eupen on the table. Celtic is no Real Madrid but they are way better than Eupen.

BascoVanVeli:


Chai! Really no better offers? The same Isaac Success that had offers from Athletico, PSG, Inter and Valencia? If Henry plays out his contract he would have amassed enough games to go to England. That would be better than making a scene. This is a small boy he has time on his hands he need to chill and be patient.

Certitude:

Even when he wasn't playing, he was still better than some cats. When he starts declining, you can decide not to call him anymore.
no p

BascoVanVeli:


Yes but Celtic is not even better than Celta Vigo.

Certitude:

Even when he wasn't playing, he was still better than some cats. When he starts declining, you can decide not to call him anymore.
no p

Mickael2:


Even when he wasn't playing regularly he was training under a good coach regularly which is one of the points that GoodJoe always points out whenever he starts debating about the importance of game time. but now that he is not going to be training under a good coach or even training with good or even average players what does that mean for us? Safarigirl I need your opinion too

Certitude:

Even when he wasn't playing, he was still better than some cats. When he starts declining, you can decide not to call him anymore.
no p

TheGoodJoe:


I thought I made my point clear. I have not changed my stance.

Mickael2:


Even when he wasn't playing regularly he was training under a good coach regularly which is one of the points that GoodJoe always points out whenever he starts debating about the importance of game time. but now that he is not going to be training under a good coach or even training with good or even average players what does that mean for us? Safarigirl I need your opinion too

Mickael2:


No I am trying to say that training with a good coach can sometimes cover up for lack if game time. I borrowed your opinion

Certitude:

IMO, both playing time and training under any kind of coach are overated. A player have to be talented to be able to develop in training or playing match.

Kog45:
Yes eleven years experience with Chelsea and national team still speak for him with good fitness d guy still remain important but how i wish he remain in Europe.

TheGoodJoe:


Why overrated? Playing under a top coach is very important. It is easier to take an advice from someone who has a history of working with top players than from someone who has little ideas about it.

Would you advice a promising young talent to turn down the chance of working with Arsene Wenger for Allardyce?

Mickael2:


Even when he wasn't playing regularly he was training under a good coach regularly which is one of the points that GoodJoe always points out whenever he starts debating about the importance of game time. but now that he is not going to be training under a good coach or even training with good or even average players what does that mean for us? Safarigirl I need your opinion too because...

Certitude:

The bold is my point. An ordinary cat would not turnout to be spectacular without talent no matter the playing time or who he trains under. Not everyone who trained under Pep ended up great.

TheGoodJoe:


I always made my point clear from day one that I wanted Success at Atletico Madrid even over going to Watford. By the way, you did not answer the question.

If Isaac Success had an offer from a better club during the transfer window, would you advice him to stay put at Granada?

What is your opinion?

TheGoodJoe:


If Celta Vigo put a deal down for Onyekuru, I will advice him to leave and sign. Would you tell him to stay put?

Kog45:
I understand your point going to china w definitely have an impact either positive or negative,it's left for him to meet up and bridge d gap.

On a coach Mikel has seen it all with his eleven years at Chelsea and we should not debate on this,though I don't know his new coach profile but china boost of good coach like AVB,Scolari.

On Mikel automatic shirt by Rohr,i believe Rohr must be rating him with his years of experience at Chelsea and national team,and to him all he needs from him is playing time.

Sentimentally one would say Rohr is biase for giving Mikel that privilege while player like Ighalo is being denied cos he said going to china w have negative impact on Ighalo chances at d national team but one thing is glaring Mikel and Ighalo belong to different class,so for now Ighalo cannot get that privilege,not only Ighalo but most upcoming players.

How i wish Rohr throw it open for anybody to challenge Mikel position and Mikel should see it as a challenge and this w definitely bring d best out of Eagles but for now i still rate Mikel ahead of others in that position based on our last 3 matches under Rohr.

BascoVanVeli:


To me as long as they perform, Mikel, Ikeme and Balogun should be intouchable. They all fit into the leader bracket and we can't win consistently without them. I would add Onazi to that list but i don't want wahala this morning lol.

TheSuperNerd:
January Deadline day approaches.... Ighalo transfer... To be or not to be...

Ighalo Could Leave Watford In Three Days
Time, Mazzari Confirms




Watford striker Odion Ighalo’s future appears to
be away from Watford after head coach Walter
Mazzarri confirmed the club have received several offers for him.

The arrival of forwards Mauro Zarate and M’Baye Niang this week increased doubts over Ighalo’s place in the squad and Mazzarri signalled this at today’s press conference.

Mazzarri said: “Ighalo you know better than me
has always been a very important player for this
team. But there are times when a player can end their time with one club and take a decision on their career.

“This is a decision that just come from the club
and the player and there’s not much we can do
about it.”

The Hornets boss added: “With Odion Ighalo we
know there are some offers but it’s still early to
say anything.

“They told me there is a very important offer but again we will evaluate in the next few days.

“I don’t like to say all the details also because I
don’t know in full. I know there is more than one [offer] but it might also be from China.”

Mazzarri was asked the next step in terms of the Ighalo transfer but showed signs of frustration in his response.

The Italian said: “I don’t know. You’re asking me too much about Ighalo. The club told me you would ask about Ighalo because there have been some offers.

“For the rest you need to ask the club. I am the
head coach and they are the ones taking care of the transfers.”


Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/01/27/ighalo-could-leave-watford-in-three-days-time-mazzari-confirms/

Certitude:

IMO, both playing time and training under any kind of coach are overated. A player have to be talented to be able to develop in training or playing match.

Kog45:
I understand your point going to china w definitely have an impact either positive or negative,it's left for him to meet up and bridge d gap.

On a coach Mikel has seen it all with his eleven years at Chelsea and we should not debate on this,though I don't know his new coach profile but china boost of good coach like AVB,Scolari.

On Mikel automatic shirt by Rohr which i don't believe coz for picking shirt he must have merit it,though his eleven years of experience at Chelsea and national team w always count.

Sentimentally one would say Rohr was biased for giving Mikel that privilege while player like Ighalo is being denied cos he said going to china w have negative impact on Ighalo chances at d national team but one thing is glaring Mikel and Ighalo belong to different class,so for now Ighalo cannot get that privilege,not only Ighalo but most upcoming players.

Mikel position should not be automatic but whether we like it or not,there are players who will always make d team except injury set in and Mikel is one them but for now i still rate Mikel ahead of others in that position based on our last 3 matches under Rohr.

Mickael2:


Let me ask you something, Forgiveness too... now that Mikel has gone to China which is not a competitive league by any standard, should he still be commanding an automatic spot in our starting eleven? Remember that the coach said that if Ighalo moves to China he would be forgotten, Fanendo Adi has not been invited since because he is presumably playing in a weak league but the US league is obviously better than the Chinese league, So shouldn't Mikel be treated the same way for the sake of equality?



GoodJoe before you answer, remember you said training with a good coach trumps game time, what's the name of the coach that Mikel is going to be training with? I don't know, So isn't he going to start declining?

Certitude:

Mikel played mostly as a DMF in chelsea and as a CMF or AMF in the SE. Gaging from his style of play in chelsea where he barely reach the attacking third, he has been oustanding for Eagles.
I still pick talent over playing time.

Loogan:


They say class is permanent. Mikels experience more than anything is what the coach values and we ourselves can see the importance...I don't think the S.E have a better midfielder than mikel truth be told...ighalo and mikel case are different, he has already lost his place in the S.E because of poor form, if he now goes to China he will not even have a call up.

Mickael2:


Mikel plays the AMF position for us, we have countless variations that can put him out if the system. Iheanacho can still play there, Aluko, Iwobi can come into the middle and free up the left side for a quicker winger and all that, So I believe we can find adequate replacements