TheGoodJoe:


People may not realize this but Messi’s non existent work rate has already reduced Neymar’s chance of success at Barca considerably. It has already helped push forward Villa’s transfer this summer because Villa can’t make up the ground to cover for Messi’s lazy bones.



The Statistics

Of all the players that I looked at, Lionel Messi ran the least. He ran 44,027 meters in 482 minutes of play, scoring 5 goals and getting 3 assists. Compare this to Xavi: 56,552 meters in 441 minutes. The raw numbers there are obvious: Messi is truly out-worked by Xavi. When compared to all the Barcelona players whose stats are available, Messi runs fewer meters. He played the most minutes, but ended up “working” less than anyone else.

http://www.barcelonafootballblog.com/18698/messi-distance-limited-statistical-analysis-players-run-means/

joseph1013:

You know more than his coach who sees him daily in training and who forms his tactics based on that. As a City fan, you've forgotten how he kills you guys when he plays with his workrate? LOL

Anyway, just wanted you to know you shouldn't believe Messi doesn't have great defensive contributions.

I did not say I know more than the coach. I highlighted the sources from my analysis and if Messi improved massively defensively under Enrique, it highlights my point. He is no more as explosive as he used to play.

I am not convinced defending forwards is the best way to go. I see Suarez as Ideal and I feel the goals ratio is the best way for Nacho to go if he is to become the great we believe he can become.

TheGoodJoe:


I did not say I know more than the coach. I highlighted the sources from my analysis and if Messi improved massively defensively under Enrique, it highlights my point. He is no more as explosive as he used to play.

I am not convinced defending forwards is the best way to go. I see Suarez as Ideal and I feel the goals ratio is the best way for Nacho to go if he is to become the great we believe he can become.

joseph1013:

LMAO...He's not explosive. Who is the top scorer in Champions league? Messi has 10 goals. The closest has 6. He's also the joint second in number of assists.

He's only a goal behind Suarez in La liga playing a lot of times as a Central midfielder allowing Dennis Suarez to play AM.

He is also second in number of assists.

Bros, define explosive for me abeg?

TheGoodJoe:


Is Messi as explosive as he used to be? Answer yes or no.

TheGoodJoe:



Historically, Messi is not that type of player that works hard to retrieve the ball and seen as lazy on the pitch. The stats I posted shows it. If he has improved under Enrique, props to him. I have not watched much of him this season. From what I expect from Nacho, there are other areas that needs improving than tracking back to defend and win balls.

joseph1013:

Why do you sometimes argue for the sake of argument?

Here is your comment about watching Messi recently:




If you have not watched much of him this season, why will you insist he's not explosive? Because you want to win argument?

TheGoodJoe:


Answer yes or no. Is Messi as explosive as he used to be? You that have watched him very well.

joseph1013:

If you can't get your answer from the stats I just reeled out, I'm afraid I can't help you further.

LOLS. Is Messi as explosive as he used to be? Answer yes or no.

Help me na

TheGoodJoe:


It is to check who is in form in camp. That is all I am saying. Whether dip in form without playing time or not. The question is, who among our players are the best to make the starting line-up. If Iheanacho is among the best, play him.

When once we think best, the analysis is less complicated.

komekn:


It's not that simple


Training and playing a match are two different things finding the balance between the two require some exceptional understanding and intuition.

It's extremely problematic, you can train good but can't transfer it the match. Again some players train badly but play exceptionally well.

I recall the very exceptional Danny Shittu who in my opinion was one of our best ever defenders. Didn't kick a ball competitively for Bolton near two years.

Played in the AFCON and was outstanding for Nigeria some suggested he was better than Yobo at the time.

terzurum5:
Exclusive – Rohr Receives Report On Hertha Berlin German-Nigerian Defender Torunarigha



Hertha Berlin highly rated 19 year old defender Jordan Torunarigha could be in line for a shock call up to the Super Eagles, Owgoalnigeria.com understands.


We gathred that coach of the senior Nigeria team Gernot Rohr received glowing reports about the German born defender, who is comfortable as a left full back or central defender.


Torunarigha is yet to play for the German Bundesliga side but he has sufficiently impressed the technical crew of the team, as he has made the matchday squad of the team on several occasion.


Standing at an impressive height of 189cm, he is the son of former Shooting Stars man Ojokojo Torunarigha, who starred for the Ibadan side in the 80’s.


However Nigeria need to fend off interest from Germany who have already capped the defender at youth level, with the press in Germany going as far as nicknaming him “Berlin Wall”.

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/02/03/exclusive-rohr-receives-report-on-hertha-berlin-german-nigerian-defender-torunarigha/

komekn:


Rohr is unapologetically biased towards German football which is not his fault this is where most of his experiential knowledge comes from.

When we are talking Green Eagles national team it is not a testing ground. But a an arena to prove your ability.

Players who have not played a competitive season with thier teams from where we can assess thier quality, ability, and possible contribution to improve our national team. SHOULD NOT be invited to camp yet.

forgiveness:


Why is he bias?

The question should be, are they good enough?

If they are good, what is problem?

I think some of those players are very good and they have got the potentials.

Besides, Rohr is looking for certain players for certain positions lacking in the Super Eagles hence the need to scout for players all over.

However, Felix Uduokhai is a central defender with 1860 Munich in the second Bundusliga and he is playing regularly. Mind you, he is just 19 years old.

How many defenders do we have playing regularly in a top league, apart from Balogun and Troost?

Jordan Torunarigha is also a central defender and he can as well play at the left back. He is currently in a Bundusliga team that is in the top 5 on the table and yet he is still making the matchday team. Even at 19.

Bros, make una allow Rohr do em work na. Abi una wan make em shine for one game before we call am? I promise you that by time e go don dey too late. Our eyes go con clear.


Noah joel Sarenren Bazee, chai! See name.

This is the only forward player Rohr wants in his team.

He is a right winger/second striker and he is playing regularly in a team that is second on the Bundusliga 2. I even read he is wanted in the Bundusliga. I think that is enough to tell you he is good. He is just 20 years of age.


We don't need to wait until they start shinning before capping them.

We don't need to go too far, Iwobi is a case study.

Lazyerudite:

YouTube usually omits all round play but nonetheless he can shoot from outside the box, something we are missing in the super eagles presently

forgiveness:


Ok na! But the boy must be good to climb the ladder from nowhere to the Premier League within years. From Academy in 2014 to Premier-league 2017.

Common, this is no fluke. He must be very good.

komekn:


Firstly, the term bias is used not in the context of undue favour. But rather to understand Rohr knowledge base and experiential competencies which emanate essentially from the German Bundesliga. In this regard it is a handicap because players with possibly far better potential playing in the EPL will be overlooked.

You mentioned Iwobi that's a failed analogy Arsenal is not Hertha Berlin. They are clearly not on par.

You used the term GOOD ENOUGH but by what comparison or unit of measurement. My proposition is that we can do much, much better.

The Bundesliga is not on the same quality and or level as the EPL I am sure you would not debate that. The German 2nd tier is considerably lower than the English championship.

As a pool of talent there are far more talented Nigerians in the EPL by a huge margin than there is in the Bundesliga.

These boys you are calling special talents will struggle to cut it as youth players in the premiership. A boy playing youth football with a few appearances in the first team for Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United & City, Liverpool and Tottenham is not a reflection of inability but Quality. These boys are competing with World class players to get a shirt.

In this regard Rohr approach in that he is German / Dutch bias is a flaw not an advantage. Because the best available players to Nigeria are not being given opportunities.

komekn:


Are you talking about Ademola Lookman?

forgiveness:
Una see what I am talking.

Rohr’s German-Nigerian Target Torunarigha Makes Bundesliga Debut For Hertha Berlin


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Highly rated German-Nigerian centre back Jordan Torunarigha made his Bundesliga debut for Hertha Berlin in their 1-0 win over Ingolstadt.

As exclusively revealed by Owngoalnigeria.com, Torunarigha is among the numerous players penciled down by Super Eagles coach Gernot Rohr for call up to the team in the nearest future.

The son of former Shoooting Stars ace Ojokojo Torunarigha, but he has already represented Germany at various youth levels although he still remains eligible for Nigeria as he is yet to make a senior debut for the land of his birth.

Torunarigha has made the bench for the team in previous Bundesliga games before finally getting a chance to come on the pitch against Ingolstadt.

The 19 year old replaced Vedad Ibisevic on the dot of regulation time as Hertha Berlin seek to grind out a 1-0 win, which they ended up doing to move up the log standings.




http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/870564492?-21310:8643:0

komekn:
Firstly. the Bundesliga is not on the same level as the premiership. The EPL is widely recognised as the best league in the World. My view is that it is a toss up between La Liga and the EPL.

Dele Alli was playing at MK Dons in league 1 but was clearly an outstanding talent. However, his Father remarried left to the USA and Dele's alcoholic mother ended up loosing her son to social services care order. Dele like an orphan with no parents ended up in care. His Father failed him woefully. You can understand why he refused to play for Nigeria.

Ademola Lookman is a very good players barely three years ago he was not even playing professional football. Just essentially Sunday amateur league before he was signed by Charlton after 25 games and 6 goals. He was marketed very successfully by his agents Base soccer.

You should check my past posts on this subject and I highlight a number of Nigerian players in England. I will tell you every EPL academy has a number of Nigerian players.

Some have up to 20 players across all age levels. I will explain to you why some are not playing first team regularly as we progress.Or indeed others may explain better than I can.

komekn:


Firstly, the term bias is used not in the context of undue favour. But rather to understand Rohr knowledge base and experiential competencies which emanate essentially from the German Bundesliga. In this regard it is a handicap because players with possibly far better potential playing in the EPL will be overlooked.

You mentioned Iwobi that's a failed analogy Arsenal is not Hertha Berlin. They are clearly not on par.

You used the term GOOD ENOUGH but by what comparison or unit of measurement. My proposition is that we can do much, much better.

The Bundesliga is not on the same quality and or level as the EPL I am sure you would not debate that. The German 2nd tier is considerably lower than the English championship.

As a pool of talent there are far more talented Nigerians in the EPL by a huge margin than there is in the Bundesliga.

These boys you are calling special talents will struggle to cut it as youth players in the premiership. A boy playing youth football with a few appearances in the first team for Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United & City, Liverpool and Tottenham is not a reflection of inability but Quality. These boys are competing with World class players to get a shirt.

In this regard Rohr approach in that he is German / Dutch bias is a flaw not an advantage. Because the best available players to Nigeria are not being given opportunities.

safarigirl:
I take it this is from your own biased point of view

Considering you live and work with most of these England boys in England, I doubt you're in an impartial position to tell us which country has a pool of talents as against the other.


Let Rohr go and meet the boys he can convince. Last last, if he speaks to them in German he can probably get to them faster, no be all these innit boys that will tell you they'll get back to you after they've exhausted their chances of playing for Queen and Country

You see, it takes A 'ot of time ta Convince this lads to become Su'er Eagles Pla'er. You ought to understand how impawtant figh'ing for da Queen is.



Komekn do not vex, it is inspiration from safarigirl.