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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:38am On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness:You don't have the details of his contract with Reading. Just like I discovered that his deal with Liverpool was worth 7M in total but 3.75M was paid up front with remaining balance as performance added bonuses this is exactly how standard contracts are drafted. His said contract with Reading in totality is worth 3.5M, Reading might have paid just a chunk of the money upfront with the remaining balance added as performance related clauses which brings the deal to the said 3.5M.... No club in the world pays the entire outlay of a contract up front. Basically contracts are drafted in view of being performance oriented. Certain terms and conditions are met before certain percentages are paid. For example, Liverpool are due some payments if Reading gain promotion, if Thiago Ilori makes certain number of appearances, if he gets capped by his national team etc... Whenever these clauses are met, Liverpool will be due to get some remittance. The entire sum when all these clauses are added brings the deal to 3.5M. You're obviously not a football man, if you are I wouldn't have to go this far to explain contracts to you but take it as one of those things you learnt today Having gone through the paces to explain these details to you, I hope you now get what I mean that Thiago Ilori's is on a steady decline and Liverpool ran at a loss with their investment on him. The 1M Aston Villa invested in his loan deal also was a huge loss to Aston Villa because he made no single appearance. Thiago Ilori is what we call dead wood. Bad market |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:49am On Feb 23, 2017 |
komekn: Your point about Obafemi is well constructed,I totally agree. However,if we're to consider Obafemi, I think we should also consider Peter Utaka. Back in the day when he was still playing Street football in Nigeria a lot of us were of the opinion he was the more talented Utaka. Putting it in perspective, this guy have won the top scorer in each of the 4 countries he has played. Just last year he won the top scorer in Japan. Mind you, the Japanese league is the best league in Asia. The Japs usually win the Asia champions league. I will certainly look his way if we are looking for a joker 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:29am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Icon4s: I will take Obafemi Martins over Ighalo. We've given Ighalo too many chances, we've been very unfair to Martins despite his high goal ratio for the Eagles. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:33am On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness: There has been a trend by Sporting which is at the centre of this approach. To give youngster who show promise opportunities in the first team. Then sell them off as exceptional players. That's Sporting business model. I didn't omit or ignore your article just did not consider it to have enough credence to sway my opinions. My deductions are not coined from newspaper articles or the comments of supposed informed pundits who may or may not have vested interests or are talking from hearsay. But my opinion emanates entirely from first hand observations. I have watched him Tiago Ilori train and play up front, close and personal. On the other hand you have chosen to ignore my observations which are first hand. If there is any handicap I have its probably I have a higher standard quality expectation for players to be considered for the G. Eagles. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 11:53am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Icon4s:noted sir |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 11:56am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Our coach will be doing a very big mistake, ignoring those of our players DAT leave Europe for china, a very big one |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:59am On Feb 23, 2017 |
goldfish80: Hehehehe! You dey write grammar by force after the the truth began to hit on ya face, ndo. Point of correction, Liverpool didn't sell him for 3.4M, he was rather sold for 3.75M, even after only 'you' considered him 'dead wood' Bhuuuhahaha! Now, How much profit did Liverpool make from his sales? bought for 3.4M, loaned for 1M plus and sold for 3.75M!? What a lost, only by you? A dead wood sold for more than the price he was bought. Chai! Answer, plsss. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:25pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness:His deal with Liverpool was valued at 7M if he came good. But he didn't come good hence, Liverpool paid only 3M+ Just like the Liverpool contract, Reading aren't paying 3.7M up front. . They are likely paying half of that or less added performance based bonus will be paid if he meets those salient clauses which will push the deal up to the 3.75M valuation. You got a break down of his contract with Liverpool, why dint you get a break down of his contract with Reading so we know By the way, here's an article about Thiago Ilori. In this article he was labelled as one of the biggest flops of Brenda Rogers and about 1M in waste for Aston Villa Jurgen Klopp may not have to spend big in January after all as the club are expected to welcome one of the many on-loan defenders back to the club this month in an attempt to ease the club's rearguard woes. The bolded got me cracking. If I didn't know better I would have sworn that the writer was a member of this thread who have followed this argument |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:51pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
daveP: Well, I didn't know about that one ooo. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:24pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
goldfish80: Liverpool make profit on Tiago Ilori as Portuguese defender completes Reading move Liverpool have sold Tiago Ilori to Reading for £3.75million The former Sporting Lisbon centre-back has failed to make the cut with the Reds in his three years at the club Tiago Ilori has completed a £3.75million move to Reading – which means Liverpool have made a profit on the Portuguese defender. The 23-year-old signed for the Reds in 2013 for £3.5million from Sporting Lisbon, with bonuses potentially taking the deal up to £7million. The clubs agreed a deal last week with Liveroool cleverly agreeing a 25 percent sell-on clause in the contract, report the Liverpool Echo. The centre back moves to the Royals to aid their promotion push, with Jaap Stam’s side currently third in the Championship. https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-make-profit-tiago-ilori-9590012.amp All d one wey you dey talk na stori. Did Liverpool gain or lose from the deal for a 'dead wood', you assumed? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:29pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness: Why didn't Liverpool pay the stipulated 7M? Bottle of champagne for you if you can answer that Did Aston Villa loose the 1M on his loan fee or not? Please answer |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:52pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Icon4s: Which several occasions? Can you tell me the numbers of matches Raheem Lawal played for the national team? Which one did he start/play from start to finish? John Ogu case is now different. He is playing regularly and well for his club hence the need to be given another chance. Raheem Lawal and Oju are better CMF than Etebor. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:54pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
goldfish80: Did Liverpool gained from the deal or not? Straight question needs straight answer. Chikena! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:59pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness: Okay Liverpool GAINED 1.3M. Abi? Oya tell me straight answer oh.. Why didn't Liverpool pay the full 7M to sporting Lisbon? Straight answer oh.. Remember 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:07pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Icon4s: Idowu and Ebuehi are the only options we have now. We must make sure they're integrated into the team very well. Moses Odubanjo has for sure agreed to play for Nigeria and if he is out of injury, we should give him a chance to prove himself. If Nura Abdullahi starts making Roma's bench then we should give him a call. Musa and Shehu no dey my list. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:13pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
goldfish80: Hehehehe! You don agree be that na. Liverpool gained from the deal. Truth has finally prevailed. To your next argument, I don't know for now or do you have details of the reasons? Concrete one oooo. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:22pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
AIG07: Read my last statement na. I said we must try it out in friendlies. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:24pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
AIG07: Read my last statement na. I said, we must try it out in friendlies. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:36pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Musa Yahaya and Awaziem played for Porto B against Man utd under 23, yesterday. Both lasted 90 minutes. Porto won 2:0 Yahaya had a great game from reports. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:46pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness: He didn't meet up to the performance contract clauses in his contract. Initial transfer fee €1,880,000 upon Ilori’s registration to play Liverpool €3,000,000 by July 2014 (note: we signed Ilori in August 2013) Total transfer fee = €4.88m Performance bonus: 15 Liverpool apps = €500,000 30 Liverpool apps = €500,000 45 Liverpool apps = €500,000 Total performance bonus = €1.5m https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/423h2i/full_details_of_tiago_ilori_transfer_leaked/ He didn't meet any of those required clauses in his Liverpool contract. That's why he's a failure and bad investment Atleast you don learn a thing or two about players contracts today You should thank me for this info I dey download give you .. Have a look at his Reading contract ;
Read the bolded carefully oh.... The Reading deal of about 3M includes add ons and appearance bonuses, you can see similarities with the Liverpool contract earlier BASED ON APPEARANCES AND ADD ONS. In reality, Liverpool have not made a gain from his transfer because Reading did not make an upfront payment of 3M. If you can't understand this simple breakdown then I can't help you. Even his Aston Villa deal if one is to scrutinise the terms and conditions binding on the contract, Villa would not have payed a dime to Liverpool because he didn't make a single appearance for them all season. I wonder what it is you will gain by hawking this straw man all over the place. Seriously, am curious. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:36pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
i like obafemi martins alot but for some reason his career in the super eagles has always been start stop. a player like yakubu ayeigbeni who is not as talented as martins enjoyed longevity in the national team and racked up goals but obafemi could never maintain that consistency. if he's still in form then he could be a valuable stop gab until our younger strikers mature and hit form. although looking at it in another way the current formation that we employ in the super eagles might not be suited for martins 4-2-3-1 unless we use a system that will deploy 2 strikers because i think martins works best with a strike partner komekn: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:52pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Peter Utaka.. Thank you so much! goldfish80: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 4:07pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Peter Utaka deserves a call to camp if we can be considering youth players who are essentially unproven of which some are in low standard football leagues . Then definitely seasoned pros should also be considered and given a chance to compete for a shirt. However, in comparison Obagoal has much superior pedigree than Utaka. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 4:46pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
I personally don't see why Ideye left Greece. He was becoming a reliable striker in Europe and I think he could have gotten even better. I doubt he and Ighalo will get selected at the same time again, it will be either one or the other. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:22pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: Money |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:33pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
forgiveness: No! The bolded should be we should try them to see if they can be integrated into the team. "Must make sure they are integrated into the team" even if they are off the mark? Na their Papa get national team? And to the first bolded, I also say a capital NO. Leone Balogun, Kenneth Omeruo, Musa Mohammed, Sehu Abdulahi and even Ogenyi Onazi can play RB. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:37pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
komekn: Peter Utaka? Why not lets also invite Obinna Nsofor, Chinedu Obasi, Taye Taiwo and Yakubu Ayegbeni. What did we achieve with those players? Their era is gone! 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 6:07pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Peter Maduabuchi Utaka (born 12 February 1984 in Enugu ) is a Nigerian footballer with a Belgian passport currently playing for Sanfrecce Hiroshima on loan from Japanese club Shimizu S-Pulse . He is the younger brother of John Utaka . [1] Club career Utaka moved to Croatia as a 16-year-old to play in Dinamo Zagreb after trying his luck at Ismaily where his older brother John was a cult figure and in the United Arab Emirates. In 2003 he moved to Belgium from Dinamo and signed for K. Patro Eisden Maasmechelen of the 2nd division. KVC Westerlo moved to sign him the following season, and in his first season in the top flight and the transfer was worth 250 000 euro. He joined Royal Antwerp FC in January 2007 where he became a first team regular, and he helped Antwerp qualify for the playoffs, finishing second. He also emerged top scorer with 22 goals and capped hs glorious season, winning the Best Striker's Award. He also put more gloss on his breath-taking performance that season, claiming the Most Valuable Player's award over eight times, making him one of the most feared strikers in Belgium. On 30 August 2008, it was announced that Utaka would join Danish club OB . [2] for an undisclosed fee. Utaka joined Danish side OB in 2008. In his first season, he finished joint fourth place on the scorers list, while he led all scorers in his second season. He finished with 18 goals in 33 matches, the first time in five years an OB player was top scorer in the league (last was Steffen Højer in 2004–05 with 20 goals). His Danish team- OB included also two former Manchester United players- Roy Carroll and Eric Djemba-Djemba and another former French international player- Bernard Mendy. In January 2012, Utaka moved to Chinese Super League club Dalian Aerbin . He scored 20 goals in 28 games in his first season, playing alongside former Barcelona players such as Fabio Rochemback and Seydou Keita, as well as former Australian International player Mille Sterjovski and former PSG player Guillaume Hoarau. He also scored 11 consecutive fixtures to establish a new C-league record.He transferred to Beijing Guoan on 9 July 2013 in 2M Euro transfer. That made him the most expensive international signing in the history of the club. He also played with former Sevilla and Mali captain- Freddy Kanoute. [3] Utaka made 15 goals in 35 appearances in all competitions for the club, before he was loaned to Shanghai Shenxin during summer transfers in 2014, managing to score only four times in thirteen appearances in all competition for the Shanghai outfit. In January 2015, Utaka transferred to J1 League -club Shimizu S-Pulse . [4] The club faced a difficult season that year as they were battling relegation. At the end of the season, Utaka scored nine goals in 28 appearances, and the club ended up being seventeenth-placed, thus relegated into the J2 League . The next year he was loaned to J1 League defending champions Sanfrecce Hiroshima . [5] He scored his first goal for the club in the Japanese Super Cup final, in a 3-1 win against Gamba Osaka . Utaka bagged his first goal in the J1 League on 12 March, scoring a 67th-minute penalty against Shonan Bellmare in a 2-2 draw at home. He scored his next in a 1-5 away thrashing against Omiya Ardija , scoring the opening in the 22nd minute. International career On 21 September 2009, national coach Shaibu Amodu selected Peter for the Nigerian national football team . Utaka made his debut for Nigeria months later in a 5–2 home win over Congo DR on 3 March 2010, despite only getting his call up late after the NFF called his mother looking for him. [6][7] He scored the first goal and assisted on the second. [ citation needed ] He scored twice against in a Nations Cup qualifier against Ethiopia . His first goal was the fastest goal in the qualifications-29secs. Honours Top goalscorer 2007–08 in the Belgian Second Division with 22 goals in 34 games Top goalscorer 2009–10 in the Danish Superliga with 18 goals in 33 games Chinese FA Cup Top goalscorer: 2013 J. League Division 1 Top Scorer: 2016 Clearly this dude is the best Nigerian striker in Asia with his record and on current form. Emerging top scorer in every league he has played is a record any football player should be proud of. Why he didn't play in a bigger stage is what I don't know but certainly not because of lack of ability. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:08pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
Icon4s: Lets wait to hear about Taye Taiwo in Swiss top flight sha who knows? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lekkie073(m): 7:09pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
komekn:why u no go resurrect yekini instead of obagoal 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:28pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
lekkie073:We are talking about d living not dead man. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:31pm On Feb 23, 2017 |
chrisooblog: No No No, Obagoal is the perfect definition of a lone striker. He has the pacy, he is aggressive, the guy jumps higher than Cr7, he can dribble, he can do just about anything. I remember this game with Algeria in 2005 or so, he started as the lone forward, he scored either a hattrick or a brace. When Amodu came in during the tense 2010 world cup qualifications, he was mostly deployed as a lone forward. I believe that the only reason why people are asking for him is because we play a lone forward, and boy he can play that well enough 4 Likes |
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