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Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 7:10pm On Mar 01, 2017
akintom:
honestly, am not sure that you are up for intellectual discussion.

What's labeling in asking you, to put forward the god you know, according to pantheism that you subscribe to.

"God is source energy", what possible deduction can one make out of this phrase?

The Christian says god is uncaused cause. He created the material world...... And so on. I can relate with this and come up with probing questions and discussion.

Ask what Billyonaire thinks about God, I told you that pantheism is the closest labels I can relate to. You are digressing. If you have no further questions, I will close the thread and move on to other things.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 7:16pm On Mar 01, 2017
HenryDion:
During my freshman's year n college, i sat on my bed one day, pondering about the 1st law of thermodynamics which propounded that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. That wasn't all, i knew before hand that man itself is energy. As if struck my lightening, my pupil dilated in excitement. If Man is an energy. If energy cannot be created nor destroy, that means we are nothing but gods. That was the time reincarnation made so much sence. We don't die, we simply change to another form as the 2nd law stated. We are energy. We are gods. Athough that doesn't mean that we're alone. Some beings, higher in all ramifications exist also in other dimensions of existence. To connect requires turning into the right frequency. Open your mind amd SEE!

Henry, it is true what you stated, but remember that most of these guys havent had time to actually sit quietly and look at their body and ponder what blinks, what wakes the body up, what powers the brain. They dont care to know these. Science can not answer all the questions because science and logic is a product of the mind, but we are more than our mind. Soul can explore planes and frequencies that the mind cant access, just like the body can not override the mind. But most people depend on science and logic to know abt facts beyond the premise of logic and science.

I think as many people experience ego death, we will become humble enough to admit how little we know.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by akintom(m): 7:38pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


Ask what Billyonaire thinks about God, I told you that pantheism is the closest labels I can relate to. You are digressing. If you have no further questions, I will close the thread and move on to other things.
god is source energy. Which energy?
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 7:43pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


Henry, it is true what you stated, but remember that most of these guys havent had time to actually sit quietly and look at their body and ponder what blinks, what wakes the body up, what powers the brain. They dont care to know these. Science can not answer all the questions because science and logic is a product of the mind, but we are more than our mind. Soul can explore planes and frequencies that the mind cant access, just like the body can not override the mind. But most people depend on science and logic to know abt facts beyond the premise of logic and science.

I think as many people experience ego death, we will become humble enough to admit how little we know.

They claim to be scientifically inclined but in actual sense, very lame in discussions above the physical. Frankly speaking, when it comes to science, I'm obsessed despite being a student of Art. It get to a point where i started transiting into an atheist. In my quest for truth, i began to read tons of books and my browse history, cluttered with weird stuffs. Irrespective of my disbelief in the xtain bible primarily because of it's contradiction and the image of a blood tasty god as painted through wars and killings of innocent infants. Irrespective of all that, the real ME wasn't complete. There are depts in which science makes no sense and the only tool available becomes YOU. Metaphysical can be puzzy to the mind but very simple when the mind is open. The quest of everyone is to find GOD, but it's gonna be time consuming if you keep doubting. You have nothing to lose, you will just have many more circles to run.

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Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 7:45pm On Mar 01, 2017
akintom:
god is source energy. Which energy?
That question is for kindergarten.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 7:47pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:

Fantastic. Everyone is evolving and as we progress through life, we will solve the puzzle and achieve ego death before physical mortality.

Ride on Boss
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 7:57pm On Mar 01, 2017
HenryDion:


They claim to be scientifically inclined but in actual sense, very lame in discussions above the physical. Frankly speaking, when it comes to science, I'm obsessed despite being a student of Art. It get to a point where i started transiting into an atheist. In my quest for truth, i began to read tons of books and my browse history, cluttered with weird stuffs. Irrespective of my disbelief in the xtain bible primarily because of it's contradiction and the image of a blood tasty god as painted through wars and killings of innocent infants. Irrespective of all that, the real ME wasn't complete. There are depts in which science makes no sense and the only tool available becomes YOU. Metaphysical can be puzzy to the mind but very simple when the mind is open. The quest of everyone is to find GOD, but it's gonna be time consuming if you keep doubting. You have nothing to lose, you will just have many more circles to run.

The idea that the Universe is an accident is madness. I am up to date with latest scientific facts and I laugh at the sluggishness of science to understand that every experiment is affected by a conscious obsever.

Looking at the double slit experiment on the wave-particle paradox, it is deduced that the behavior of electrons was affected by the observer, a conscious observer influences the result of experiment. Same thing happens when you observe the mind from a vintage point as Soul. That is when transmutation occurs. It is at that stage that alchemists transmute thoughts and heal all dis-eases.

We can not continue to think that science is against God, Science is just there for us to fact-check accuracy of physical phenomena but science is handicapped by its limitation to the mental plane, because Science is a product of the mind, it cant go further.

When atheist base their argument of non-existence of intelligent designer, then I feel sorry for them. It is like attempting to use a cup to fetch and empty the entire water in the ocean in order to see the bottom, when you can simply use the sub-marine and dive deep in a split second to see what is there.

You can image science still discussing how to design a machine that can move at the speed of light, when speed of consciousness based on the threshold, can be up to a million times the speed of light, and that is the speed of soul travel. You can move from one end of the universe to the next in less than a quarter of a second. And upload data worth a thousand years of experience in just 5 minutes and be back.

Have I experienced this ? Yes!

If atheist think am a wizard, then they agree there is something out there which automatically makes them non-atheists.

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Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 8:09pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


The idea that the Universe is an accident is madness. I am up to date with latest scientific facts and I laugh at the sluggishness of science to understand that every experiment is affected by a conscious obsever.

Looking at the double slit experiment on the wave-particle paradox, it is deduced that the behavior of electrons was affected by the observer, a conscious observer influences the result of experiment. Same thing happens when you observe the mind from a vintage point as Soul. That is when transmutation occurs. It is at that stage that alchemists transmute thoughts and heal all dis-eases.

We can not continue to think that science is against God, Science is just there for us to fact-check accuracy of physical phenomena but science is handicapped by its limitation to the mental plane, because Science is a product of the mind, it cant go further.

When atheist base their argument of non-existence of intelligent designer, then I feel sorry for them. It is like attempting to use a cup to fetch and empty the entire water in the ocean in order to see the bottom, when you can simply use the sub-marine and dive deep in a split second to see what is there.

You can image science still discussing how to design a machine that can move at the speed of light, when speed of consciousness based on the threshold, can be up to a million times the speed of light, and that is the speed of soul travel. You can move from one end of the universe to the next in less than a quarter of a second. And upload data worth a thousand years of experience in just 5 minutes and be back.

Have I experienced this ? Yes!

If atheist think am a wizard, then they agree there is something out there which automatically makes them non-atheists.

You're doing an amazing job Billy. I aspire to grow the more in enlightenment and truth. I have experienced things which might sound crazy to science. So, atheism was a big NO NO for me. It's lame. Very very lame to be an atheist.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 8:41pm On Mar 01, 2017
atheism shuts down the "spirit", relying only on the mind and body
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 8:50pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:
Any other atheist willing to know what God is ?
Yea. Wanna know more just for educational purposes
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 8:58pm On Mar 01, 2017
adepeter26:

Yea. Wanna know more just for educational purposes
Are you an atheist ?
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 8:59pm On Mar 01, 2017
This is an intresting thread...Uncle Billy you mentioned a number of evil energies in your first post, demons etc and their effect...

Could you expand on your thoughts in that area.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:00pm On Mar 01, 2017
onyenze123:
atheism shuts down the "spirit", relying only on the mind and body
Makes sense, they simply shut down their right brain hemisphere and use the left hemisphere of their brain for logic and maths. I am sorry for them though, there is no happiness in atheism even when you have money because you lack answers to basic questions and they seem not to function fully as a complete being.

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Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by akintom(m): 9:04pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:
That question is for kindergarten.
You know what? Am not surprised at how you turned out on this thread.

I only wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I know the very crap you got intoxicated on.

I knew you're crappy beyond remedy, when you delved into hemispheric functions of the brain and how in your convoluted thinking, spew the filth of how atheists are deficient in right hemisphere functions.

This is a lesson on how to engage for me. I should have ran a mock discussion with you before joining you here.

THREAD CLOSED.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:05pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:
Are you an atheist ?
Yes
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:07pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:
Makes sense, [s]they simply shut down their right brain hemisphere[/s] and use the left hemisphere of their brain for logic and maths. I am sorry for them though, there is no happiness in atheism even when you have money because you lack answers to basic questions and they seem not to function fully as a complete being.
I disagree with you on this but I gat no time to explain my reasons for the disagreement.

You are deviating to spewing of unverified facts and insults. We are here to learn and not otherwise
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:10pm On Mar 01, 2017
akintom:

You know what? Am not surprised at how you turned out on this thread.

I only wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I know the very crap you got intoxicated on.

I knew you're crappy beyond remedy, when you delved into hemispheric functions of the brain and how in your convoluted thinking, spew the filth of how atheists are deficient in right hemisphere functions.

This is a lesson on how to engage for me. I should have ran a mock discussion with you before joining you here.

THREAD CLOSED.

Of course you have to close the thread cause what was spurted here was evidently beyond you. Your ground was weak, vulnerable and full of potholes. I think this should serve as a challenge.. Go and discover TRUTH.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:18pm On Mar 01, 2017
parisienne:
This is an intresting thread...Uncle Billy you mentioned a number of evil energies in your first post, demons etc and their effect...

Could you expand on your thoughts in that area.

Yes, my latest research is on the existence or not of vampires, demons, ghosts etc. I started the research from the neutral point of view as a former atheist.

I must state that in all of my research I use science at its highest level as a yard for my research work.

I discovered to my amazement, that we were born blank, what I mean is, when we were born, our memory was blank, as we keep getting repititions and induction from our parents, teachers, environment, animals and etc, we continually store these data on our memory. Our thought forms are waves, and these waves surround our body gradually as ectoplasma. So, since we live in a conscious universe, the thought-form becomes activated and animated. Ahah! Out thought-form or wave came alive and is sync into our organism.

Since this new thought-form or thought-body or if you like call it mental body since thoughts comes from the mind, has come alive, then it needs to feed. And it feeds on energy. But not the positive energy which is love. The mental body then using a wave-collapse mechanism, a function of conscious observer, remember conscious observer means there is consciousness. The conscious observer then is the Soul. Actually, consciousness collapses waves and then when that happens, love is collapse to hatred, anger, etc as found in Narcissistic Personality Disorders. It happens that when this occurs, the Mind, which is the structuring of the mental body becomes impulsively activated by the right hemisphere of the brain where consciousness is associated with. When this occurs, where this imbalance is not checked, then the soul of that person becomes 'vampiric', just like a vampire. So, when the churches said that certain erratic people are possessed by demons, there is truth in it. Vampiric Souls, act like vampires that is why Narcissistic Personal Disorder is hard to treat medically. Everything has root in spirit. I can give simple solution on how you can treat such NPD patient and it is very very simple, no much action, no need for prayers, cos if you wanna cast out their vampire body, you want the soul to leave them. What about those vampires that are in existence ? Oh yes, if you are Narcissitic and you die, your will fly around a bit and terrorise people until a light being helps you out.

Make I stop here, I don over yarn. Forgive my typo erros, I am not James Bond in typing yet.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:20pm On Mar 01, 2017
akintom:

You know what? Am not surprised at how you turned out on this thread.

I only wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I know the very crap you got intoxicated on.

I knew you're crappy beyond remedy, when you delved into hemispheric functions of the brain and how in your convoluted thinking, spew the filth of how atheists are deficient in right hemisphere functions.

This is a lesson on how to engage for me. I should have ran a mock discussion with you before joining you here.

THREAD CLOSED.

You are free to leave. It is my thread and you are not welcomed any longer for such uncanny behavior. We all love you and hope someday you will find out what sees when you look and what perceives when you smell as well as what enjoys, when you make lovee to your angel.

Bye
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:22pm On Mar 01, 2017
HenryDion:


Of course you have to close the thread cause what was spurted here was evidently beyond you. Your ground was weak, vulnerable and full of potholes. I think this should serve as a challenge.. Go and discover TRUTH.

The right hemisphere of his brain is clearly inactive. He thinks I was insulting him but its the truth. I believe he goes for brain scan, he will be informed that his right lobe has little or not activity. Such people do not benefit from the gifts of intuition. I am sorry for them.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:28pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


The right hemisphere of his brain is clearly inactive. He thinks I was insulting him but its the truth. I believe he goes for brain scan, he will be informed that his right lobe has little or not activity. Such people do not benefit from the gifts of intuition. I am sorry for them.

An MRI scan will definitely be his saviour lol. At least, for a start.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:30pm On Mar 01, 2017
I was enjoying ya topic but when you resulted to saying atheists have their right hemisphere shut down, i began to ask myself as a medical student, "if my right hemisphere is actually be shutdown as you said, it means it's non-functional (temporarily or permanently)".

If temporary, then I'm sure you know the complications and effects.
And if permanent, we won't even have atheists.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:30pm On Mar 01, 2017
adepeter26:

I disagree with you on this but I gat no time to explain my reasons for the disagreement.

You are deviating to spewing of unverified facts and insults. We are here to learn and not otherwise

It is not an insult my dear atheist friend. Go and get a brain scan and come back to tell us the truth. You are product of your thoughts and the structure of your mind. You become what you think. Be very unhappy and watch your face contort to look ugly. I digressed.

Go get a brain scan and you will be informed that the right hemisphere of your brain does not have as much activities as the left side of your brain. When this occurs your sub-conscious mind is not as functional as every other normal human. Havent you realized that most atheists argue a lot on logicall thinking ? I was an atheist for over 10 yrs so yes. It was the fact that I was deep in science and ofcourse mysticim that activated my right hemisphere and I can tell you that my life is very happy and complete.

You, my friend, need that brain scan. It is not an insult. It is the fact.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:35pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


It is not an insult my dear atheist friend. Go and get a brain scan and come back to tell us the truth. You are product of your thoughts and the structure of your mind. You become what you think. Be very unhappy and watch your face contort to look ugly. I digressed.

Go get a brain scan and you will be informed that the right hemisphere of your brain does not have as much activities as the left side of your brain. When this occurs your sub-conscious mind is not as functional as every other normal human. Havent you realized that most atheists argue a lot on logicall thinking ? I was an atheist for over 10 yrs so yes. It was the fact that I was deep in science and ofcourse mysticim that activated my right hemisphere and I can tell you that my life is very happy and complete.

You, my friend, need that brain scan. It is not an insult. It is the fact.
What set of people have both hemispheres maximally and functionally active going by your conclusions
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:39pm On Mar 01, 2017
adepeter26:
I was enjoying ya topic but when you resulted to saying atheists have their right hemisphere shut down, i began to ask myself as a medical student, "if my right hemisphere is actually be shutdown as you said, it means it's non-functional (temporarily or permanently)".

If temporary, then aware you know the complications and effects.
And if permanent, we won't even have atheists.

I studied medicine for a year in Unical, left the course cos I hated the fact that I will be dealing with blood and wounds all my life, I moved on to study Applied Chemistry, I have 2 First Degrees now and Masters Degree. I will by no means insult an 'educated' person like you.

All I am saying is, check my threads and posts. You will see for years that I didnt believe in nothing i dont see. But my case is different, I had to research from a neutral state of mind.

All I am saying is, there is no personal God sitting in Heaven as Theists posite. I found out, that at the core of man, is God. Its like putting a seed in the soil and it grows to become this giant tree and you ask "Where is the seed ?" And you are told "The Seed is the Tree". As an atheist, you start researching on the leaves, the bark, the flowers of the tree and you didnt see the seed and you said "There is nothing like seed". But I am saying that the core of me, you, and us all is God. And that is why love is so compelling. Because when you love, you see yourself in your wife or girlfriend, but on a soul level. That is why you see certain marriages or relationships and you are like....What the hell is that guy doing with that girl ? The answer is "True Love happens on the soul level". God in me recognize the God in you and we are all connected.

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Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:40pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


It is not an insult my dear atheist friend. Go and get a brain scan and come back to tell us the truth. You are product of your thoughts and the structure of your mind. You become what you think. Be very unhappy and watch your face contort to look ugly. I digressed.

Go get a brain scan and you will be informed that the right hemisphere of your brain does not have as much activities as the left side of your brain. When this occurs your sub-conscious mind is not as functional as every other normal human. Havent you realized that most atheists argue a lot on logicall thinking ? I was an atheist for over 10 yrs so yes. It was the fact that I was deep in science and ofcourse mysticim that activated my right hemisphere and I can tell you that my life is very happy and complete.

You, my friend, need that brain scan. It is not an insult. It is the fact.
I know understand how you a came about ya conclusion. Maybe the most of nairaland atheists
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:44pm On Mar 01, 2017
adepeter26:

What set of people have both hemispheres maximally and functionally active going by your conclusions
Everyone was born with an ability to utilize both hemispheres, but certain things activate or deactivate certain terminals via the neurotransmitters. Remember that drugs activates dopamine. Suffering and pains seem to activate the parts of the right hemisphere which is why people tend to go to find God, or to native doctors, or pray to unknown beings when they are under serious suffering. There is an unknown there and they seek to find it, to know it, but they dont know that what ever they are looking our there, is in their universe, in their body, in their brains. Activate those and then you need not visit anyone for prayers, inspiration or knowledge of God. Because you have achieved God Realization and you can do anything, can even heal yourself of any disease (which actually is the imbalances in the mental and/or soul body.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:45pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


I studied medicine for a year in Unical, left the course cos I hated the fact that I will be dealing with blood and wounds all my life, I moved on to study Applied Chemistry, I have 2 First Degrees now and Masters Degree. I will by no means insult an 'educated' person like you.

All I am saying is, check my threads and posts. You will see for years that I didnt believe in nothing i dont see. But my case is different, I had to research from a neutral state of mind.

All I am saying is, there is no personal God sitting in Heaven as Theists posite. I found out, that at the core of man, is God. Its like putting a seed in the soil and it grows to become this giant tree and you ask "Where is the seed ?" And you are told "The Seed is the Tree". As an atheist, you start researching on the leaves, the bark, the flowers of the tree and you didnt see the seed and you said "There is nothing like seed". But I am saying that the core of me, you, and us all is God. And that is why love is so compelling. Because when you love, you see yourself in your wife or girlfriend, but on a soul level. That is why you see certain marriages or relationships and you are like....What the hell is that guy doing with that girl ? The answer is "True Love happens on the soul level". God in me recognize the God in you and we are all connected.

I'm beginning to enjoy ya replies now. Anyways I still don't agree with you saying atheists have their right hemisphere shut down.

You know why?
Because am one and I see reasons and understand your concept. You are saying nothing but the absolute truth.

Now coming by what you said, only a foolish atheist or Theist will refute what you just said I.M.O

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Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:46pm On Mar 01, 2017
adepeter26:

I know understand how you a came about ya conclusion. Maybe the most of nairaland atheists
Arguing out of context was my strong point when I was an atheist.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:48pm On Mar 01, 2017
adepeter26:

I'm beginning to enjoy ya replies now. Anyways I still don't agree with you saying atheists have their right hemisphere shut down.

You know why?
Because am one and I see reasons and understand your concept. You are saying nothing but the absolute truth.

Now coming by what you said, only a foolish atheist or Theist will refute what you just said I.M.O

Go for a brain scan. I can bet that the scan will show that your right hemisphere will have less activities than your left hemisphere.

This is not an insult, it is the truth of a sponsored research I was involved in, not in Nigeria, no doubts.
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by eghuan1(m): 9:51pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


God - Source Energy


As much I would not totally accept this definition I would like you to give a more elaborate definition and not thus adumbrated view. To say God is a source energy is quite limiting. Its empiristic (if I can use that term). Can there be a concept of God without energy? Put directly, without a perception of energy, what is the fate of God?
Re: A Discussion On God And Consciousness Between An Atheist And A Pantheist. by Nobody: 9:51pm On Mar 01, 2017
Billyonaire:


Go for a brain scan. I can bet that the scan will show that your right hemisphere will have less activities than your left hemisphere.

This is not an insult, it is the truth of a sponsored research I was involved in, not in Nigeria, no doubts.
Lol. You are funny you know?

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