obixcel:
What is your WORTH?

I will tell you when you show me how it impacts this discussion.

This your foreign idea is the exact reason based Americans are so pissed with the obamas, clintons and soros of this world plus their globalist and leftist friends.

Dude, the soul of America abhors communism which you guys are bent on forcing on it. You guys should eaither learn to emmbace true republican capitalism or the polity will react in ways you guys will never imagine.

Yes, it's PROFIT FIRST. That's how America was built. That's how it became great until socialists came in with their foreign ideology of communism which rewards laziness and supresses creativity and healthy competition.

But thank God Trump and his based team are here to drain the swamp.

oyb:



Mental gymnastics again.

America first not profits first.

If he or his daughter cared that much about Americans, if they were the tiniest bit patriotic and not hypocritical business persons, they would use American manufacturing.

Outsourcing to countries like China and Bangladesh where people can literally burn to death is the way of a predatory businessman.

If that is what you want Trump to bring to the US with your celebrated deregulation, rest assured, the ensuing worker accident lawsuits will kill whatever so called gains there are.


You forget Trump also has exploitation of undocumented Polish workers on his resume?

Flashback: Clinton Says Trump Might Be Avoiding Releasing Taxes To Hide ‘That He’s Paid Nothing in Federal Taxes
During the September 26, 2016 presidential debate, Democratic presidential nominee former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speculated that one reason Donald Trump might not have released his tax returns is that “he doesn’t want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he’s paid nothing in federal taxes.”

Clinton said, “So you’ve gotta ask yourself, why won’t he release his tax returns? And I think there may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he’s not as rich as he says he is. Second, maybe he’s not as charitable as he claims to be. Third, we don’t know all of his business dealings, but we have been told, through investigative reporting that, he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks. Or maybe he doesn’t want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he’s paid nothing in federal taxes. Because the only years that anybody has ever seen, were a couple of years where he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license. And they showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.”


Well, Now the whole world knows who has been lying. Trump payed more taxes than the entire money Hillary made making speeches during her pay-to-play gimmicks

LordReed:


Where did I say tax is on net worth?

That's exactly what you implied when you used one year tax return to judge a persons networth.

And in spite of my long explanation you are still linking tax to networth.

Here's a basic way to know if Trump is a billionare or not.

1. Find out the share value or his holding company.

2. Find out how many units of shares he owns in that company.

3. Multiply the share value by its units to get the total value.

Now that's a huge chunk of solid asset that you won't see in Trump's tax returns. So why use tax returns as a measuring device for networth?

paschu:


That's exactly what you implied when you used one year tax return to judge a persons networth.

And in spite of my long explanation you are still linking tax to networth.

Here's a basic way to know if Trump is a billionare or not.

1. Find out the share value or his holding company.

2. Find out how many units of shares he owns in that company.

3. Multiply the share value by its units to get the total value.

Now that's a huge chunk of solid asset that you won't see in Trump's tax returns. So why use tax returns as a measuring device for networth?

Dude stop conflating issues here. I wrote "How does a billionaire make only a $150 million in a year? Sounds like poor management to me, unless this is indeed smokescreen." How are you reading this to mean I say he's not a billionaire? Even if I decide to say he was not a billionaire as at 2005/6 in the court case he lost he was unable to prove that the author who said he was worth only $150-250mil wrong. Why? He refused to release records that proved his case.

paschu:
This your foreign idea is the exact reason based Americans are so pissed with the obamas, clintons and soros of this world plus their globalist and leftist friends.

Dude, the soul of America abhors communism which you guys are bent on forcing on it. You guys should eaither learn to emmbace true republican capitalism or the polity will react in ways you guys will never imagine.

Yes, it's PROFIT FIRST. That's how America was built. That's how it became great until socialists came in with their foreign ideology of communism which rewards laziness and supresses creativity and healthy competition.

But thank God Trump and his based team are here to drain the swamp.

The funny thing is that it is unlikely you are a big business mogul.the 'socialism' you are blathering about is the only protection for people like you.


Lack of regulation is why buildings collapse , because people have put profit over safety.
Lack of regulatin is why trucks that should be on the scrap heap are on our roads, killing and maiming people everyday.
Lack of regulation is responsible for the pollution and smog in China.
Lack of regulation is why workers were trapped in a burning building in bangladesh

People like you are the most directly hit by these things.the proft you are blathering about stays with the ceos. It will not trickle down to you. And when the lack of regulation leads to crisis, it is the same proud capitalists that will give ceo golden parachutes, lay off the workers and run to gov't for bailouts.

Have you read the story about Nigerian coke making the rounds? Someone tried to take Nigerian coke Fanta and sprite into the UK. It was rejected after testing because it was deemed poisonous. This is the same coke sold all over Nigeria. Of course, it is cheaper and more profitable to cut corners.

Do you see the pattern?

The government is the only line of defence against rapacious, out of control corporations. A world driven solely by profit is a world in which the average man is condemned to a life of low quality servitude.

Yet, America became great without your so called regulations, but now worse off with it.

Have you gone to check America's current infastructural rating?

The left was busy funding its government, subsidizing foreign governments and funding bogus welfare programs (that priorotized even the illegal immigrants above working Americans) at the expense of American infastructure.

Do you have any idea how much the unborn Americans owe as a result of the present generation's left-induced under-productivity?

Just thank God for Trump.

oyb:



The funny thing is that it is unlikely you are a big business mogul.the 'socialism' you are blathering about is the only protection for people like you.


Lack of regulation is why buildings collapse , because people have put profit over safety.
Lack of regulatin is why trucks that should be on the scrap heap are on our roads, killing and maiming people everyday.
Lack of regulation is responsible for the pollution and smog in China.
Lack of regulation is why workers were trapped in a burning building in bangladesh

People like you are the most directly hit by these things.the proft you are blathering about stays with the ceos. It will not trickle down to you. And when the lack of regulation leads to crisis, it is the same proud capitalists that will give ceo golden parachutes, lay off the workers and run to gov't for bailouts.

Oh please...we all know Trump deliberately leaked those tax returns. Besides, what is the big deal with this tax issue?? Like every other businessman, he utilizes tax avoidance greatly - that's what he has lawyers for. He has already said he doesn't pay taxes because the country doesn't utilize his tax dollars properly.
This "leak" changes nothing. It would be a big deal if it was his tax returns of say the last 2 - 3 years. Him paying 25 percent isn't also a big deal. It only means they weren't any loopholes for him to exploit to pay less...not because he's the most patriotic American or whatever.

paschu:
Yet, America became great without your so called regulations, but now worse off with it.

Have you gone to check America's current infastructural rating?

The left was busy funding its government, subsidizing foreign governments and funding bogus welfare programs (that priorotized even the illegal immigrants above working Americans) [/b]at the expense of American infastructure[b].

Do you have any idea how much the unborn Americans owe as a result of the present generation's left-induced under-productivity?

Just thank God for Trump.

It's funny how this has been going round. I remember Obama infrastructure plans being blocked by Congress but now Trump comes up with it, than he's a "true American".

Trump says leaked tax returns on The Rachel Maddow Show "fake news" despite the white house and his son saying otherwise.

paschu:
Yet, America became great without your so called regulations, but now worse off with it.

Have you gone to check America's current infastructural rating?

The left was busy funding its government, subsidizing foreign governments and funding bogus welfare programs (that priorotized even the illegal immigrants above working Americans) at the expense of American infastructure.

Do you have any idea how much the unborn Americans owe as a result of the present generation's left-induced under-productivity?

Just thank God for Trump.

Why don't you build an altar for Don The Con and start worshipping there since you love him so much. You swallow all kind of garbage Faux News is throwing at you. Come over here and see the kind of opposition that's turning Der Fuhrer Orange. You will never know the kind of dilemma he's gotten himself into with all his lies.

edi287:
Oh please...we all know Trump deliberately leaked those tax returns. Besides, what is the big deal with this tax issue?? Like every other businessman, he utilizes tax avoidance greatly - that's what he has lawyers for. He has already said he doesn't pay taxes because the country doesn't utilize his tax dollars properly.
This "leak" changes nothing. It would be a big deal if it was his tax returns of say the last 2 - 3 years. Him paying 25 percent isn't also a big deal. It only means they weren't any loopholes for him to exploit to pay less...not because he's the most patriotic American or whatever.

Yes Der Fuhrer team deliberately released the 2005 tax returns that's not complete. The clowns shouting here don't have a clue how the tax systems work in America. Where was the capital Gains tax and the other deductibles?. People in his category would pay about 37% of their income in taxes to the IRS but he didn't. The bottom line is that the last three years of tax returns 2013 to 2016 should be released to know his allegiance to Russian oligarchs that were funding him when American banks stop their line of credits to him because of his numerous bankruptcies. That's the big deal right there not the tax returns of 11 years ago which was released covertly by his minions.

edi287:
Oh please...we all know Trump deliberately leaked those tax returns. Besides, what is the big deal with this tax issue?? Like every other businessman, he utilizes tax avoidance greatly - that's what he has lawyers for. He has already said he doesn't pay taxes because the country doesn't utilize his tax dollars properly.
This "leak" changes nothing. It would be a big deal if it was his tax returns of say the last 2 - 3 years. Him paying 25 percent isn't also a big deal. It only means they weren't any loopholes for him to exploit to pay less...not because he's the most patriotic American or whatever.

I thought u guys have been asking for his tax returns, u got one - whether leaked or not leaked. And last time we checked we were told Trump paid no taxes by the Hillary campaign. What now?

obixcel:
I thought u guys have been asking for his tax returns, u got one - whether leaked or not leaked. And last time we checked we were told Trump paid no taxes by the Hillary campaign. What now?

But Hillary (who you like to refer so much to) released hers all the way to the 1970s. Is Hillary not better than Trump?

LordReed:


Trump says he is worth $10 billion so you mean to tell me with all his vaunted smarts he can only make $150 million in a year on a worth of $10 billion? What then makes him a great businessman? How do you build billions by earning 10% ROI if as he says he started with a small loan of a million? OK if as you say he is only worth $1.2billion then he is not as rich as he claims. The point of all this is that nothing is adding up based on his many statements about his business acumen or his wealth.

What are ou trying to insinuate? How is a years income related to his total networth? So if he makes a loss in a yr that means he is broke?

You know what Warren Buffet is worth right?

Now read this

Warren Buffett is fond of saying his tax rate is lower than his secretary’s. He does not publicize his tax returns, but for the tax year 2010, he paid $6.9 million on taxable income of $39.8 million, according to partial disclosures he made in 2011.

What is astounding about those numbers is not the 17.3% tax rate, but that Buffett’s $39.8 million of taxable income is only about 0.05% of his reported net worth ($71 billion according to Forbes, which put him third on its list of the 400 wealthiest people in the world for 2015).

http://www.barrons.com/articles/warren-buffetts-nifty-tax-loophole-1428726092

raumdeuter:


What are ou trying to insinuate? How is a years income related to his total networth? So if he makes a loss in a yr that means he is broke?

You know what Warren Buffet is worth right?

Now read this

Educate those cry babies, common finance they don't know.

obixcel:
Educate those cry babies, common finance they don't know.

Der Fuhrer only release 2 Pages of 2005 tax through his minions. The fact is that you don't know squat about taxes in America. Only low wages people file two pages of taxes. Anyone that makes a decent amount of money will file several pages of taxes because there are many deductibles and tax incentives to write off. For trump releasing two pages of 12 year old taxes is him hiding something. I don't even file 2 pages of Taxes talk less of a fake Billionare.

obixcel:
I thought u guys have been asking for his tax returns, u got one - whether leaked or not leaked. And last time we checked we were told Trump paid no taxes by the Hillary campaign. What now?

The tax returns released was 12 years old, what happened to the recent ones ?. This is America and Americans deserve to know the taxes of their political leaders so we can know their allegiance. How come Don the Con would not release 2016 taxes of his ?.

raumdeuter:


What are ou trying to insinuate? How is a years income related to his total networth? So if he makes a loss in a yr that means he is broke?

You know what Warren Buffet is worth right?

Now read this

Given his continuous boasting of how much of a great businessman and negotiator he is the numbers look underwhelming.

LordReed:
Given his continuous boasting of how much of a great businessman and negotiator he is the numbers look underwhelming.

A year doesnt make one great or bad. Many billionaires have had years which they lost. From the quote I showed you about Warren Buffet who was worth 70bn at that time, from what he made, Do you think Buffet is a great businessman or not

raumdeuter:


A year doesnt make one great or bad. Many billionaires have had years which they lost. From the quote I showed you about Warren Buffet who was worth 70bn at that time, from what he made, Do you think Buffet is a great businessman or not

Lol. He won't answer that question trust me.

LordReed:


Given his continuous boasting of how much of a great businessman and negotiator he is the numbers look underwhelming.

Everyone knows that Don the Con is an egomaniac who flaunts his inherited wealth. Really accomplished Billionares like Bil Gates, Warren Buffet, Zuckenberg who really toiled for their wealth are not boastful. Releasing two pages of a 12 year old tax information doesn't proof a damn thing but his a*s lickers will be delighted. Let him release his 2016 taxes as he promised he will do after the election. Don the Con is a fraud and he's a two bit scam artist. If you don't believe me, ask thousands of people he conned out of their hard earned money through his fake and unaccredited Trump University.

raumdeuter:


A year doesnt make one great or bad. Many billionaires have had years which they lost. From the quote I showed you about Warren Buffet who was worth 70bn at that time, from what he made, Do you think Buffet is a great businessman or not

Unlike Trump, buffet did not declare bankruptcy four times. Unlike Trump, buffet did not lose so much money that he opted for tax breaks.

Unlike Trump buffets finances are not opaque and hidden.

No one can say accurately what donald Trump is actually worth. All we have is smoke and mirrors.

raumdeuter:


A year doesnt make one great or bad. Many billionaires have had years which they lost. From the quote I showed you about Warren Buffet who was worth 70bn at that time, from what he made, Do you think Buffet is a great businessman or not

As I pointed out in a previous reply I know everyone will have good days and bad days and yes a 1 year report is not enough to judge by however Trump leaves us speculating by continuing to refuse releasing his returns. Again I pointed out the case against an author who said in his book that Trump is worth between $150-250mil, Trump lost that case because he would not release information. Buffet is recognized as a great businessman because he has verifiable records. Does Trump have such verifiable records?

Missy89:



Lol. He won't answer that question trust me.

LoL. Like you know me.

oyb:
Unlike Trump, buffet did not declare bankruptcy four times. Unlike Trump, buffet did not lose so much money that he opted for tax breaks.

Unlike Trump buffets finances are not opaque and hidden.

No one can say accurately what donald Trump is actually worth. All we have is smoke and mirrors.

This is a red herring and have nothing to do with the point

Does making 150M a yr in tax returns disqualifies him from being a billionaire?. That is the point.

Not the number of times he has declared bankruptcy or opted for tax breaks

I dont know any billionaire who wont take legal tax breaks when they are available.

All these attack points are just throwing the kitchen sink and hoping something sticks to him

He hasnt shown his tax record, Does the law require him to? NO

Just like Obama kept his college records under lock and No law requires him to release it

LordReed:
As I pointed out in a previous reply I know everyone will have good days and bad days and yes a 1 year report is not enough to judge by however Trump leaves us speculating by continuing to refuse releasing his returns. Again I pointed out the case against an author who said in his book that Trump is worth between $150-250mil, Trump lost that case because he would not release information. Buffet is recognized as a great businessman because he has verifiable records. Does Trump have such verifiable records?

If you know one year doesnt make one a bad businessman then why did you make the below statement

LordReed:
How does a billionaire make only a $150 million in a year? Sounds like poor management to me, unless this is indeed smokescreen.

Well the above has been proven to be careless statement , Low on facts, high on emotion, flexible in direction and not well thought out. Just like most democratic principles they push forward.

Is Trump mandated to release any information proving his wealth? NO

Is Obama mandated to release his Columbia University records? NO

That another person has verifiable school records to show to the public unlike Obama does not invalidate that Obama went to Columbia.

You too look at the patterns

1. Trump didnt pay any tax for the past 20yrs

Evidence came he paid 25% 38M in 2005 alone

2. If he is that good a businessman how come he made ONLY 150M

- Does making 150M a year invalidate his claim to being a billionaire? No

3. So why didnt he release all his financial records to the public

- Does any law require him to release his financial records to the public? NO

Look at the progression of the argument and how disjointed and uncoordinated they are. No neutral observer will take such argument serious as its full of hot air already and no deep thought process

raumdeuter:


If you know one year doesnt make one a bad businessman then why did you make the below statement



Well the above has been proven to be careless statement , Low on facts, high on emotion, flexible in direction and not well thought out. Just like most democratic principles they push forward.

Is Trump mandated to release any information proving his wealth? NO

Is Obama mandated to release his Columbia University records? NO

That another person has verifiable school records to show to the public unlike Obama does not invalidate that Obama went to Columbia.

You too look at the patterns

1. Trump didnt pay any tax for the past 20yrs

Evidence came he paid 25% 38M in 2005 alone

2. If he is that good a businessman how come he made ONLY 150M

- Does making 150M a year invalidate his claim to being a billionaire? No

3. So why didnt he release all his financial records to the public

- Does any law require him to release his financial records to the public? NO

Look at the progression of the argument and how disjointed and uncoordinated they are. No neutral observer will take such argument serious as its full of hot air already and no deep thought process

Liberals don't understand the difference between income and wealth. Lol

raumdeuter:


If you know one year doesnt make one a bad businessman then why did you make the below statement



Well the above has been proven to be careless statement , Low on facts, high on emotion, flexible in direction and not well thought out. Just like most democratic principles they push forward.

Is Trump mandated to release any information proving his wealth? NO

Is Obama mandated to release his Columbia University records? NO

That another person has verifiable school records to show to the public unlike Obama does not invalidate that Obama went to Columbia.

You too look at the patterns

1. Trump didnt pay any tax for the past 20yrs

Evidence came he paid 25% 38M in 2005 alone

2. If he is that good a businessman how come he made ONLY 150M

- Does making 150M a year invalidate his claim to being a billionaire? No

3. So why didnt he release all his financial records to the public

- Does any law require him to release his financial records to the public? NO

Look at the progression of the argument and how disjointed and uncoordinated they are. No neutral observer will take such argument serious as its full of hot air already and no deep thought process

Low on facts indeed. Was Trump able to successfully prove that the author who said he was worth $150-250mil was lying? NO

Yeah it's Republican principles that are well thought out. 6 years of shouting Obamacare is rubbish and what do they come up with? LoL

BTW I am not the one turning this into an emotional discussion you are.

LordReed:

Low on facts indeed. Was Trump able to successfully prove that the author who said he was worth $150-250mil was lying? NO

Yeah it's Republican principles that are well thought out. 6 years of shouting Obamacare is rubbish and what do they come up with? LoL

BTW I am not the one turning this into an emotional discussion you are.

If you read all your posts this morning, Do you still take yourself serious. Why should Trump prove to anyone his wealth?

Did Obama prove his academic records at Columbia to anyone? If you dont believe he went to school thats fine, I dout he cares, Just like I am sure Trump probably doesnt care if you think he is worth less than you in dollars and cents

Missy89:
Liberals don't understand the difference between income and wealth. Lol

If this is the way they hope to win back the house then they are on a long thing. I am sure there are better things to nail Trump on than these sily conjectures

2 weeks ago it was the outrage about Carson statement, when they were shown evidence that Obama said something similar they shut up

This week its about tax returns. I saw how their euphoria about Rachel Maddow exposing Trump returns turned into disappointment

Last year it was Van Jones proving to us that him marrying a white woman was to bridge racial divide. What a joke.

Bill Maher is one of my favorite shows and he is Democrat, He tells them the way it is

LordReed I want to believe this income/wealth/tax argument is for fun. It'd be shocking if it's not