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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:30am On Mar 19, 2017 |
bigkesh: Stop talking absolute nonsense. The point is not about intelligence, the point is Fabregas is often unable to protect his ball unlike Matic. Fabregas is not a man you can trust with the ball with midfielders breathing on him, Matic is. I can show you several occasions where Fabregas was shaded off the ball leading to opposition goals and chances. This is why Barca could never trust him in Xavi role and found all manner of utility positions including false nine to keep him far away from his own goal. Hotheads have been ranting, Matic does nothing, give Fabregas his shirt, until Fabregas was asked to do the job that Matic does, we started seeing the below. We even had one mugu asking what a DM did yesterday in a match Chelsea conceded no shots on goal bar a bogus penalty. Tell that mugu his job is simply not to get bullied and dominated like Fabregas. Go and lick your wounds. 4 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 10:05am On Mar 19, 2017 |
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/775828/Chelsea-player-ratings-West-Ham-United-sportgalleries/amp 3 sides to a story: Your side. Their side. The Truth. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:13am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Eruditor: Sorry, the only truth we recognise is Whoscored. Show me the worst Chelsea player on the pitch.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 10:17am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: Another one: http://www.skysports.com/football/west-ham-vs-chelsea/356604 According to your image, Kante was bad in that game but was he? Analytics don't always tell the full story. You of all people should know this. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:24am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Eruditor: Sorry, fouling is only the 2nd option. In the first place, he should never have been dispossessed. In that situation, a midfielder should easily throw his leg across the player breathing on him, stick his nyash out, and there is no way he would be dispossessed if he "full ground". In Naija that's where we use the terminology "that midfielder dey ground" ie hes got his body position, his core strength and his centre of balance right to ride pressure from behind. Unfortunately Fabregas has a dangerous habit of turning over possession under physical pressure, too dangerous for me to feel comfortable with him playing that deep. That's why I prefer him in AM where his runs and finishing are 2nd to none. He did it several times last season leading to dangerous situations at our backline. Conte spotted that and removed him from the pivot where such actions are dangerous, and rightly so. Even 2 years ago in our victorious season, I particularly recalled this one that led to Schalke equaliser in UCL. This is why when he was asked if he can replicate the Pirlo role for Conte in the summer, he said he can't. Not because he can't replicate Pirlos long passes, but because he can't ensure he won't get dispossessed in dangerous areas of the pitch unlike Pirlo. This was the one that led to Schalke goal for example. Midfielder should be riding that sort of pressure from behind easily. [img]http:///media/3-19-2017/83Mydg.gif[/img] 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 10:36am On Mar 19, 2017 |
bigkesh:Hope it ll be loaded like storey building nxt season so he wont get dumped out of Europe as usual |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 10:43am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Danhumprey:Lol. I thought i had seen it all with Simeone and Klopp. But baba Conte's own is on another level |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 11:15am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: Make me understand you please, are you insinuating Matic is very good for this team? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:18am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Only fellas who hardly play football would see nothing wrong in picking Cesc over Matic in a pivot system. I've stated it in the time past, that no matter how horrendous Matic's passes, runs and shots are, he still qualifies to start in a DM position ahead of Fab, and this isn't b'cos his name is Nemanja Matic, but because he's a natural defensive midfielder whilst Cesc is not. It's a grave risk entrusting the work of a DM in the hands of someone who doesn't have any business with the defensive side of football. Forget what the stats are saying about Cesc completing 1000km, 1000passes etc, truth remains, he can't bully an opposition player off the ball, he can't throw in that late lunge to win a ball, he can't get dirty. Interestingly, Matic have been doing all these for the past 10yrs. I am yet to see a security guard who keeps the financial records of an organisation. Cesc would be wondering what strain of weed y'all have been smoking if he gets to hear that he's good for a DM spot ahead of Matic. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 11:23am On Mar 19, 2017 |
spartacus11: Let us just hope Raumdeuter will acknowledge this and realise what we've been saying all these while about the difference between coaching Barca/ Bayern and Man city in the toughest league in the world. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:31am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: I can't argue with this because it makes sense however, the West Ham game is not a worthy example of a situation where Fabregas was dispossessed or dominated in midfield and that's the position I offered/am offering. The pass from Azpi was too heavy and behind Fabregas who was out-muscled by a stronger Andy Carroll (who would have out-muscled Matic or Xavi in the same situation) freeing a fresher Andre Ayew to win the ball, run and pass the ball to Lanzini who was being marked by Matic at the time. If I am to borrow the line of your argument, then Matic should have been physically dominant and quick enough to nudge Lanzini off his stride or foul him and take a yellow for the team- thus preventing the goal. It can work that way in slow motion or hindsight but not in real time. Sure, Fab has his lapses but so does Matic. End off. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:32am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Chelseafan1: Matic haven't been top class this season, we all have to admit that but he isn't bad either. Kante's inclination to go for the ball and hack opposition players down, have seen Matic's overall contribution take a back step. His game is hanging somewhere in-between 'good' and 'bad', and you can't really blame him for that, someone is willing to do the work he [Matic] is known for, all he can do is to play second best. Kante arrival is a curse in disguise for him. Instead of clamouring for Cesc to take his place, y'all should be clamouring for a new CM, one who has struck a good balance between being defensive and creative. It's not just Fabregas. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 11:35am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: When your midfield Pair is winning MOTM and you are rated lowest next to the unimpresseive Costa, of course you did something right. Kante has covered a lot of Matic's excesses, for how long will he keep saving the tall mumu? 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 11:37am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: What the Bleep is this? Fabregas was asked to do what Matic did?why should Fabregas be asked to do what Matic does, whatever that is.. ..Ronaldo should be asked to do whatever Matic does and let's see Fabregas should bring his own play into our game ,why not ask Matic to do what Fabregas does and let's see Don't even try to bring Barca into this. .Fabregas didn't play in the midfield often because of Xavi and Iniesta, every time any of them was absent Fabregas steps into the midfield effortlessly You are reading too much into what you think, the same Barca you claim didn't use Fabregas as midfielder is using Rakitic, Suarez and Gomes in the midfield so don't try to tell us Barca tried to keep Fabregas away from his goal, Xavi kept him away from that position If Matic's job is just to be forming a robot on Low Battery in the midfield, I reckon Zouma can do a better job. ..... A DM that is not playing out of defence, winning tackles, driving ball forward, intercepting or passing, is that one a DM? By the way Matic doesn't shield Nada,don't just show us instances where Fabregas was dispossessed under pressure, I can bring out Xavi's error if i dig deep.....You even had to go back to the UCL game in 300BC to prove a point...So Fabregas gets dispossessed under pressure 2-3 times are season and he can't shield #Wehdone sir Give us clips showing Matic shielding the ball under pressure 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:42am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Eruditor: No he wouldn't. That ball got to Fabregas first. Xavi and Matic wouldn't have lost that ball. If the ball gets to you first and there is a man pressuring you from behind, there is no excuse for losing the ball. All you do is put your body in between the man and he either has to foul you or bounce off you. Fabregas did neither, and that is only one of umpteen occasions that has happened. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 11:46am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Griffon: Good, since Kante is ready to do the job of both himself and that of his midfield Pair and has been doing it perfectly well with little or nothing to contribute from Matic when we all know how creative Fabregas can be for the side with his vision and knack for defense-splitting passes, shouldn't we rather have Fabregas who has something to offer offensively than Matic who is a dullard in that regard? I don't know if you are getting my point on this issue. Kante can defend, run around, hack down opposition players thereby limiting or let me say relieving both Matic and Fab of defensive duties, and we have the 'god of passes' wasting away on the bench when we all know he is one creative force the team has and his passes can be very useful in counter attacks. Our Title winning season under Mou, have you forgotten the number of passes and assists Costa got from Fabregas and converted? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bimffo(m): 11:48am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Matic was good in shielding the ball prior last season.. He could handle pressure when he is put under it. But the Matic we saw Yesterday can't shield anything again o. He made silly forward passes a quite number of times. I don't know what he is battling with. His confidence can't be compared to that of 2014-2015. Will pick Matic of 2014-2015 over Fabregas any day anytime. But picking this con artist here now named Matic over Fabregas?? Nah. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 11:50am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Griffon:What am I reading for goodness sake? Why didn't Essien relax when Ballack arrived? Messi should have stop scoring when Suarez and Neymar showed We all saw drinkwater last season, he also played alongside Kante and he did his job. ...He wasn't between good and bad Will FIFA complain if Matic starts winning tackles like Kante? This is the same Matic we saw last season That excuse doesn't work at all 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:50am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Eruditor:I think in that wesrham game lanzini was already in the 18 when that pass got to him. Are you trying to tell us that matic could have gone hard on him and give off a penalty and probably pick a red? ? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:53am On Mar 19, 2017 |
lordfalcao: If it is fair game to expect Fabregas to build castles in the sky why not Matic? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 11:54am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Griffon: What position did he play against City, the same City we won this season.? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:55am On Mar 19, 2017 |
bigkesh: Sorry you argue nonsense. 1. The central midfielder in 3-4-3 main role is to keep it tight. Fabregas is asked to do what that role requires. Chelsea win anyway with or without what Fabregas brings in terms of creativity. Fabregas cannot walk into Gabi's position at Atletico Madrid and say he is bringing his own flavour to Gabi's role, nor can he walk into Wanyamas position and say he is bringing his own flavour. What those guys are doing in their roles is already successful for their respective clubs. Don't be like the mugu that will ask what Wanyama did in the game because they saw no assist from him (nor even tackles). That team is set up to win 1-0 or 2-0 with the 3 forwards and wingbacks providing the attacking impetus just like Chelsea. All Wanyamas job is to keep it solid. 2. Matic shields the ball effortlessly. In 30+ games, you can't show us when Matic failed to shield the ball like Fabregas at West Ham. Shielding the ball under pressure is part and parcel of Matic midfield play and he does it without mistake. I don't need to show you where Matic shield the ball, any YouTube compilation will do that. You need to show me where Matic failed to shield the ball. . . . duh. Fabregas failed in that task against West Ham. After all the noise, he failed to take the spot from Matic. We are still here, Matic is still starting, and Chelsea is still winning like we have been doing all season with Matic playing. Go and drink Lordfalcaos otapiapia. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:59am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Eruditor:one thing you guys failed to understand is that in conte's title race, he had said it he needs to keep the balance between attack and defence.. That is why we are playing two DM. A position that is not fabregas favorites. Spurs are second best in the league are playing two DM not better than matic. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 12:00pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Bimffo: Of course, I will also pick Matic of 2014-2015 over Fabregas any day anytime, not this mugu that his foolishness has been exposed cause we now have Kante beside him, how did he fair last season b4 Kante came? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:10pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Chelseafan1: How did Fabregas fair last season before Kante came? Every team needs two solid DM/CM. The coming of Kante is the help that we asked for for our depleted midfield over the last 4 years. You would be extremely foolish to think one is enough. Matic only now has what other midfielders take for granted, what Dembele has in Wanyama, what Gabi has in Augusto Fernandez etc. You would be fool to think a squad only need one. Matic struggled because he was carrying Fabregas. While Kante may be better suited to carrying Fabregas, that is based on the assumption that Fabregas must play regardless. The evidence however, is Fabregas doesn't need to start to guarantee potentially our best league season ever. All we need him to do is come on late in games if we still need a breakthrough at that stage (which we often don't). That is his role which he is doing well. Accept it or drink otapiapia. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 12:13pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Conte doesn't prefer Matic to Fabregas because the former is better, he himself admits to having a tough dicision picking either of them. http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/antonio-conte-admits-chelsea-selection-dilemma-over-cesc-fabregas-flair-vs-nemanja-matic-force-a3492906.html |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:16pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: I just rewatched it. Besides virtually all the blogs attributed the mistake to Azpi. There is only so much you can do with a bad pass. The advantage was not to Fab but Andy Carroll. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 12:24pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Ibime: Matic is average, he has had only one good season with us, the others he has been shiit, Fabregas has proven himself in Arsenal, Barca and Chelsea, one of the best in the game. There is a reason he was dubbed 'Fabrepass'. Matic is average, Kante wouldn't struggle carrying Fabregas. Except your Matic improves, we are not going far in Europe with him but of course, Kante would still try his best to keep carrying him along. Barca has Busquets as the DM, the other midfielders(Xavi and Iniesta offer more offensively for the team than defensively and they have been successful) Matic isn't Chelsea's standard, watch him get relegated to the bench once the coach lands a better midfield Pair for Kante, Matic is just a carry - along this season. Agree or die. . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 12:31pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
bigkesh: I don't get involved in this argument cos I always take the middle ground. However, I think I should this time. The problem with your argument is that you are criticising Matic whilst deliberately ignoring the clear reason why Fabregas should not be selected. You cannot claim Fab is not there to do what Matic does, when Fab has been left out of the team more times than Matic has. This is not a 3-5-2. It's a 3-4-3. This means that whilst solidity is built on the wings and at the back, there are only two players left in the middle and that middle has to be tight. Therefore, to claim that Fab is not selected to form a tight "two" in the 3-4-3 midfield is being dishonest. And this is exactly why Matic has always been selected as the preferred player to form the tight "two". Matic does not need to be fantastic to be tight. In fact, the way Matic plays sets him up for this role. And Fabregas cannot touch this, even in his greatest form. And yes, this fact is evidenced by our position on the table. We could create another topic to discuss Fabregas's potential output in attacking play. Let's not claim however, that because of this output, there are no defensive consequences. Especially in a 3-4-3. This is exactly where Ibime uses the phrase "Intellectual dishonesty" 6 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 12:33pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Chelseafan1: It's clearly not a tough decision. Matic has been selected more times. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:37pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
bigkesh: And he did so well, Barca sold him just when Xavi was about retiring. "While it’s hard to put Barcelona’s fall from grace entirely on Fàbregas, it is, however, easy to see why he is among those who have received the most criticism. Out of all Barcelona’s midfielders, Fàbregas is the one who is dispossessed most times per game." http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/112186/love-story-gone-wrong-why-cesc-fabregas-never-gained-camp-nous-affection/ Frame your story along the lines of Fabregas playing AM. Your attempt to shoehorn him into the midfield two will not work. The current midfield two is already leading the league by 10 points regardless of how crap you think Matic is. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 12:39pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
bigkesh: Why would Essien relax when it's glaring clear even to Cobhams Asuquo that Ballack isn't the sort of CM that runs around the pitch? Ballack's arrival gave Essien reasons to even work harder. So save me that damned analogy 'cos it doesn't hold water in this discourse. What has goalscoring got to do with the fact that Kante has an inclination to win the ball back than any of his teammates? Last season, Drinkwater in 35 games was able to post 70% tackle success, this season, Matic is already posting 74% in 27 games yet the Serb is uber-useless but Drinkwater is not? You need to start seeing beyond your nose, it's a problem for you. 2 Likes |
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