Chelseafan1:



Matic isn't Chelsea's standard, watch him get relegated to the bench once the coach lands a better midfield Pair for Kante, Matic is just a carry - along this season..

As long as that midfield pair is not Fabregas, that's fine.

nateevs:


It's clearly not a tough decision. Matic has been selected more times.

Another Coach might prefer Fab to Matic, it depends on individual.
If Fab isn't good enough for us, I don't think Matic is better.

My stand remains, we need a better replacement for Matic, Costa and Cahill else we might not go far in Europe.

Ibime:


As long as that midfield pair is not Fabregas, that's fine.

Fabregas played against Pep's Man city and we won.
Coming from the bench, he has saved us more than twice this season, No?

Chelseafan1:



Matic is average, he has had only one good season with us, the others he has been shiit, Fabregas has proven himself in Barca

Except your Matic improves, we are not going far in Europe with him but of course


Matic isn't Chelsea's standard, watch him get relegated to the bench once the coach lands a better midfield Pair for Kante, Matic is just a carry - along this season.


Agree or die. .

To your first Qoute, Fabregas did not have a top notch career in barca. Bar the trophies he won which are collective efforts, he struggled terribly in dominating the midfield which Alex song did better in during there time in barca. This saw fabregas pushed to play most of his career games either as a false 9 or a winger. Am I right?

Secondly saying we can't go far in Europe is a false, we are already having our best season with matic, despite fabregas starting or not.

Third. We need an upgrade on matic, Fabregas is not that upgrade. Don't be surprise when we get this upgrade and we start seeing fabregas falling 2 places down the picking role.

Chelseafan1:


Another Coach might prefer Fab to Matic, it depends on individual.
If Fab isn't good enough for us, I don't think Matic is better.

My stand remains, we need a better replacement for Matic, Costa and Cahill else we might not go far in Europe.

Another coach will certainly not be playing a 3-4-3. And this is exactly the point. Stop ignoring the point.

No one is saying Matic is a better player than Fabregas. They are saying Fabregas is not a better player defensively than Matic.

Stop ignoring the point.

Ibime:


Sorry you argue nonsense.

1. The central midfielder in 3-4-3 main role is to keep it tight. Fabregas is asked to do what that role requires. Chelsea win anyway with or without what Fabregas brings in terms of creativity. Fabregas cannot walk into Gabi's position at Atletico Madrid and say he is bringing his own flavour to Gabi's role, nor can he walk into Wanyamas position and say he is bringing his own flavour. What those guys are doing in their roles is already successful for their respective clubs. Don't be like the mugu that will ask what Wanyama did in the game because they saw no assist from him (nor even tackles). That team is set up to win 1-0 or 2-0 with the 3 forwards and wingbacks providing the attacking impetus just like Chelsea. All Wanyamas job is to keep it solid.

2. Matic shields the ball effortlessly. In 30+ games, you can't show us when Matic failed to shield the ball like Fabregas at West Ham. Shielding the ball under pressure is part and parcel of Matic midfield play and he does it without mistake. I don't need to show you where Matic shield the ball, any YouTube compilation will do that. You need to show me where Matic failed to shield the ball. . . . duh.


Fabregas failed in that task against West Ham. After all the noise, he failed to take the spot from Matic. We are still here, Matic is still starting, and Chelsea is still winning like we have been doing all season with Matic playing. Go and drink Lordfalcaos otapiapia.

No need for long essays

In this 3-4-3 set up.. ...Matic,Ake or Chalobah? Your pick

Chelseafan1:


What position did he play against City, the same City we won this season.?

City exploited us badly on that day, I at some point had to lose count of how many crosses that got whipped into our box and how many saves Courtois was forced to make.

It was evident we lacked steel in our midfield that day, albeit we won.

Chelseafan1:



Good, since Kante is ready to do the job of both himself and that of his midfield Pair and has been doing it perfectly well with little or nothing to contribute from Matic when we all know how creative Fabregas can be for the side with his vision and knack for defense-splitting passes, shouldn't we rather have Fabregas who has something to offer offensively than Matic who is a dullard in that regard?


I don't know if you are getting my point on this issue.

Kante can defend, run around, hack down opposition players thereby limiting or let me say relieving both Matic and Fab of defensive duties, and we have the 'god of passes' wasting away on the bench when we all know he is one creative force the team has and his passes can be very useful in counter attacks.


Our Title winning season under Mou, have you forgotten the number of passes and assists Costa got from Fabregas and converted?

I know where you are coming from, but then, the 3-4-3 doesn't ask how creative are you, that is where your answer is, probe no further.

Like I said earlier, we need to get a CM who has struck the right balance between being defensive and being creative. Cesc doesn't have that balance, so make we dey manage Matic until the complete man arrives.

nateevs:


Another coach will certainly not be playing a 3-4-3. And this is exactly the point. Stop ignoring the point.

No one is saying Matic is a better player than Fabregas. They are saying Fabregas is not a better player defensively than Matic.

Stop ignoring the point.

I am not ignoring any point, what Fabregas can't do defensively, he makes up for it offensively which has also helped the team whenever we are struggling, shey we still have the Kante who can always win back the balls and hack down opposition players.

When Matic is not defending, what does he offer to the team?
IF Matic is the better player defensively, Fabregas is 1000000000 times better and ahead of him offensively, both of them have Kante who can do their job effortlessly.

Are you getting the point??

Chelseafan1:


Fabregas played against Pep's Man city and we won.

Coming from the bench, he has saved us more than twice this season, No?

I refer you to my last entry.

bigkesh:


No need for long essays

In this 3-4-3 set up.. ...Matic,Ake or Chalobah? Your pick

Matic

Chelseafan1:
Conte doesn't prefer Matic to Fabregas because the former is better, he himself admits to having a tough dicision picking either of them.


http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/antonio-conte-admits-chelsea-selection-dilemma-over-cesc-fabregas-flair-vs-nemanja-matic-force-a3492906.html

I think conte gave a honest answer to why he prefer matic to fabregas which is just what he brings defensively. This was conte's answers

"If, for example, we have to face a physical team who are very strong in set-plays, you must consider a lot of situations before making the right choice.

"For sure, Cesc gives you great quality, great fantasy and assists. Yeah, but it's important for me, above all at this point of the season, to manage very well the situation and understand when it's right, for example, to play with Cesc or with Matic.

"We are talking about two great players, for sure with different characteristics. Nemanja is more physical, more technical, less fantasy than Cesc. Cesc has more fantasy but is less physical than Nemanja.”


If you see all these and still complain about matic starting games before fabregas to bring the balance between attack and defence. . Brother you need to do this.

lordfalcao:
To your first Qoute, Fabregas did not have a top notch career in barca. Bar the trophies he won which are collective efforts, he struggled terribly in dominating the midfield which Alex song did better in during there time in barca. This saw fabregas pushed to play most of his career games either as a false 9 or a winger. Am I right?

M weak

Griffon:


City exploited us badly on that day, I at some point had to lose count of how many crosses that got whipped into our box and how many saves Courtois was forced to make.

It was evident we lacked steel in our midfield that day, albeit we won.



I know where you are coming from, but then, the 3-4-3 doesn't ask how creative are you, that is where your answer is, probe no further.

Like I said earlier, we need to get a CM who has struck the right balance between being defensive and being creative. Cesc doesn't have that balance, so make we dey manage Matic until the complete man arrives.

We won, that's the ultimate. If we dig deep, Fabregas' passes might be one of the reason we won.

Even with Matic, City, Psg and some other top clubs have always exploited us, but somehow we still manage to win.
So, it isn't about Fabregas.


And yes, we all agree we need an upgrade, let's see how it goes.

Chelseafan1:


I am not ignoring any point, what Fabregas can't do defensively, he makes up for it offensively which has also helped the team whenever we are struggling, shey we still have the Kante who can always win back the balls and hack down opposition players.

When Matic is not defending, what does he offer to the team?
IF Matic is the better player defensively, Fabregas is 1000000000 times better and ahead of him offensively, both of them have Kante who can do their job effortlessly.

Are you getting the point??

No, I am not getting the point. Tell us how Fabregas can make up for defensive frailties with figures. Not by plucking opinion out of thin air.
What is the purpose of the risk? We are top of the table. Probably on our way to winning the title. Matic has been a massive part of that, not Fabregas.

We have conceded only 21 goals all season. Only one more than Spurs who are the best on 20. And we've scored 59 goals - only one less than Liverpool on 60. We are 69 points with 10 games to go; and with this momentum, we are on course to matching our own 95-point EPL record.

But you want more.


How can I get such point?

Chelseafan1:

Coming from the bench, he has saved us more than twice this season, No?

How many equalisers or winners has Fabregas assisted this season? Count the points total of that and that is the sum total of his contribution to our season.

You guys just won't accept that we are comfortable with or without him.

nateevs:

What is the purpose of the risk? We are top of the table. Probably on our way to winning the title. Matic has been a massive part of that, not Fabregas.

But you want more.


How can I get such point?

These people think like tadpole. These are the kind of people you should never enter business partnership with, or they would lose you money.

Check all of them self, they are the prolific gamblers of this thread. All are Nairabet customers except maybe Bigkesh

Elnino4ladies:



Matic

That question was for him because i know he prefers Ake and Chalobah to this Matic he is defending

bigkesh:

That question was for him because i know he prefers Ake and Chalobah to this Matic he is defending

Who told you that? Every young player with potential deserves spot on the bench and chance to shine does not mean you jettison proven results. Their current level is not on par with Matic but their future may be brighter.

Ibime:


These people think like tadpole. These are the kind of people you should never enter business partnership with, or they would lose you money.

Check all of them self, they are the prolific gamblers of this thread. All are Nairabet customers except maybe Bigkesh

Homies be creating issues where there are none.

nateevs:



No, I am not getting the point. Tell us how Fabregas can make up for defensive frailties with figures. Not by plucking opinion out of thin air.
What is the purpose of the risk? We are top of the table. Probably on our way to winning the title. Matic has been a massive part of that, not Fabregas.

We have conceded only 21 goals all season. Only one more than Spurs who are the best on 20. And we've scored 59 goals - only one less than Liverpool on 60. We are 69 points with 10 games to go; and with this momentum, we are on course to matching our own 95-point EPL record.

But you want more.


How can I get such point?

Such exaggeration, you might wanna check the meaning of massive sir.

Make no mistakes please, we are top of the league with 10 points because of Kante, Hazard, Azpi, Costa, Pedro, Alonso, Courtois, Moses, don't include that mumu, all other players are supplementary part of the team, they are very well replaceable.

Chelseafan1:


Make no mistakes please, we are top of the league with 10 points because of Kante, Hazard, Azpi, Costa, Pedro, Alonso, Courtois, Moses, don't include that mumu, all other players are supplementary part of the team, they are very well replaceable.

Cahill has won more points for Chelsea than Fabregas. Yesterday alone was 2 points.

Ibime:


How many equalisers or winners has Fabregas assisted this season? Count the points total of that and that is the sum total of his contribution to our season.

You guys just won't accept that we are comfortable with or without him.

Same way we would be comfortable without Matic.

Chelseafan1:


Same way we would be comfortable without Matic.

As long as the person replacing Matic is not Fabregas. The only 3 players we can't replace are Kante, Azpi and Hazard. Every other player has replacement within Chelsea's reach.

Ibime:


Cahill has won more points for Chelsea than Fabregas. Yesterday alone was 2 points.

Fabregas has won more points for Chelsea than Matic.

Chelseafan1:


Fabregas has won more points for Chelsea than Matic.

No he hasn't. Count them. Almost all of Fabregas contributions come after the match is already won.

Ibime:


No he hasn't. Count them. Almost all of Fabregas contributions come after the match is already won.

I am not good at this, I leave this to Nihilist, he sure knows how to counter facts like this one.

I think I found something interesting


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2880c3cf76bc42f2b460fefbb826ae33/perfect-10-fabregas-earns-chelsea-10th-straight-game-epl

Chelseafan1:



I am not good at this, I leave this to Nihilist, he sure knows how to counter facts like this one.

It doesn't even matter as Matic contribution is ensuring we don't lose the game early in the match by conceding. All you need to know is that without Fabregas contributions, we would still be ahead in the league with some breathing space to boot.

Ibime:


It doesn't even matter as Matic contribution is ensuring we don't lose the game early in the match by conceding. All you need to know is that without Fabregas contributions, we would still be ahead in the league with some breathing space to boot.

Lmao....it matters, Kante, Cahill, Luiz, Azpi are the defenders who have ensured we do not concede more than we should, Matic has been a carry - along.

Fabregas has earned us more points than him.
Fabregas over Matic for me.

Chelseafan1:


Lmao....it matters, Kante, Cahill, Luiz, Azpi are the defenders who have ensured we do not concede more than we should, Matic has been a carry - along.

Fabregas has earned us more points than him.
Fabregas over Matic for me.

I thought you said Cahill has nothing to do with it.

How many points has Fabregas won for Chelsea?

happy Sunday to everyone, and what a sweet win y'day; true mark of a champion.
my take on the matter on ground:

The bitter truth we all should have in mind is that for now Matic is the BEST partner we have for Kante currently for this setup while we get an upgrade in the summer (apart from courtois and kante, every other position is upgradable).
Football has gone tactical ( reason why some coaches are flattering), the 3-4-3 is even more tactical than the 3-5-2 ( I know this cos av been involved in coaching teams). this setup involves "shape shifting" and " synchronized movements" during in play for stability and Matic does it better than Fab4.
if you want to know what matic brings to the team, check up our defensive stats ( I don't like stats cos I see everything I want to know while watching the match). I av watch all Chelsea matches bar the recent one against Swansea and I can 'categorically' say we are much more stable with matic in the team.

Ibime:


Cahill has won more points for Chelsea than Fabregas. Yesterday alone was 2 points.

Some would argue that if Cahill had not given away a goal in the first place, there would be no need to 'win any points' as Chelsea already held a 1-0 lead and were very comfortable.

The whole idea of one player 'winning points' for a club is an intellectual non-starter. If a team wins a game by 1-0, the defence that didn't concede a goal is equally as important as the person who created the chance, and the person who converted it.

So this statement is as pointless as it is devoid of any real meaning.

Chelseafan1:



Good, since Kante is ready to do the job of both himself and that of his midfield Pair and has been doing it perfectly well with little or nothing to contribute from Matic when we all know how creative Fabregas can be for the side with his vision and knack for defense-splitting passes, shouldn't we rather have Fabregas who has something to offer offensively than Matic who is a dullard in that regard?


I don't know if you are getting my point on this issue.

Kante can defend, run around, hack down opposition players thereby limiting or let me say relieving both Matic and Fab of defensive duties, and we have the 'god of passes' wasting away on the bench when we all know he is one creative force the team has and his passes can be very useful in counter attacks.


Our Title winning season under Mou, have you forgotten the number of passes and assists Costa got from Fabregas and converted?

None of my business, tho. but honestly, this your post makes too much sense.

simple, Matic can't offer anything. whatever he could offer, Kante is offering more than that, doing his job as well as Matic job as a an. why waste a space in the team harbouring someone who contributes nothing major to the team?

play Fagregas instead, let him bring much needed creativity from the middle, relieve him of defensive work knowing fully well that Kante will cover for him.

how is that difficult for the pro-Matic fans to understand?


problem is, Lord Conte doesn't see it that way. the coach knows best.