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Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Nobody: 4:53pm On Mar 17, 2017
[quote author=IbnIslam post=54683866][/with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?

After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?

Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:cool
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?

The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)
64. Is the law of Moses useful?

Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy 3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18)
65. What was the exact wording on the cross?

This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?

Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?

Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?

Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
"It is finished" (John 19:30)
76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?

Yes (Matthew 8:5)
No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.

Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.

God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

No (John 3:13)
Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?

Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)
82. When did the women buy the spices?

After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)
87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)
88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)
89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?

Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)
90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?

The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)
92. Does God change his mind?

Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King... (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)

I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)

ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).

93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:

Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
94. Who killed Goliath?

David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?

Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?

Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:cool
97. Who will bear whose burden?

Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?

Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by ilynem(m): 10:25pm On Mar 17, 2017
[quote author=IbnIslam post=54683866][/quote]
Lol. OK. Let me clear the Hadith problem first. I know I am discussing with a Muslim (and from the look of things, an intelligent one) so you don't expect me to start giving you fraudulent sources. Let me start from the beginning.
Sahih al- Bukharin 6.61.510: Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Koranic materials, whatever written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt!
So here we can see that Uthman had already ordered some part of the Koran to be burnt. I didn't write this or make it up. You can confirm. Now let's move on.
Sahih al- Muslim 2286 : Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it: "Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and "that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).
So from this place you can see that some chapters of the Koran were missing because they were forgotten! Are you following me?
Sahih al-bukari 6.61.527: Ubay was the best of us in the recitation of the Koran. Yet we leave some of what he recites. Ubay says, I have taken it from the mouth of Allah's messenger and will not leave it for anything whatsoever.
Notice that Ubay was one of the four teachers of the Koran who Mohammed recommended that the Koran be learnt from. And yet some things in his recitation are left out of the present Koran. Follow me, let's keep going.
Now who put together the Koran we have today? Zayd ibn Thabit. Was he one of the top four teachers recommended by Mohammed? Nope. Who were they? Abdulla Ibn Mas’ud, Salim (a freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa), Mu’adh bin Jabal and Ubay bin Ka’b. (Sahih Bukhari 6.61.521).
So definitely, one of these four must have compiled the Koran we have today? Nope. Instead Zayd Ibn Thabit compiled it. Now notice that the first name Mohammed mentioned in the teaching of the Koran was Mas'ud? What did he have to say about today's Koran?
Jami At- Tirmidhi 3104: Az-Zuhri said: "'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah bin 'Utbah informed me that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslims people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and the recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man' - meaning Zaid bin Thabit - and it was regarding this that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-'Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them.
Now not only did ubay (best reciter) disagree with today's Koran, Mas'ud (number one teacher) did too. Let's not even go into Aisha's sheep eating verses on stoning and breastfeeding (more on this if you still want to discuss). Now let's sum this up.
Sahih al- Bukhari 6.61.509 : Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yalmama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)."
So what do we have here? Many reciters of the Koran died in a battle and many of the Korans where lost. So Abu Bakr asked Thabit to compile what was left. I'm not done. Now read the entire passage of Jami At- tirmidhi you will find out that different people had their own different manuscripts. Disputes started to happen on what should be in the Koran and what should be left out. Ibn Mas'ud had 111 chapters according to Ibn Abi Daud, kitab al-masahif. Ubay had 116 while while Zayd had 114 chapters. Check the source, I didn't make this up. So you see? Koran has had its own dispute too. Now to the Bible.
I understand you Muslims very well. You tend to pay attention to detail which is admirable. But let me tell you. Do you know that the old testament of the Bible is just a long arrow pointing to Jesus? What do I mean? The whole point of the Bible is Jesus. The old testament talks about the lineage in which Jesus was born. From Abraham to Judah to David down to the birth of Christ. The whole point of the old testament was to confirm the new. Hence the hundreds of prophesies about Jesus in the old testament. Now the Bible is a combination of Historical records and God's word. Unlike you, we do not have a Hadith were we can put stories. All of it are put in the Bible. Going through your list, you can see that most of the discrepancies are that of numbers. May are shock you that those numbers are actually irrelevant? They are history, written across 1400 years and there are bound to be errors since there are from different sources. But the whole point of the Bible is Jesus and that is what matters. Its like a movie. The beginning is important, but the point of the whole movie lies at the end. And that end is Jesus.
You sound like an intelligent dude. Read your history by yourself.

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Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Bakrabas: 10:37pm On Mar 17, 2017
Fine now I realise that you don't knw buybull... Who wrote the book of Acts... The says of our dearest Jesus can only be found in Matt Mark Luke John anything apart from this is not from Jesus

izzou:


It's was in Antioch that they called them Christians because they were behaving like their master Jesus Christ (Acts 11:26)

Paul never called them Christians. It was the people that did so

Like I said, pray to Allah to destroy Christians because they call Jesus his son

Stop fighting for Allah
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by oladoja1(m): 10:46pm On Mar 17, 2017
emmayodata:
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
where Jesus said I am God and worship me not where e was called
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by izzou(m): 11:03pm On Mar 17, 2017
Bakrabas:
Fine now I realise that you don't knw buybull... Who wrote the book of Acts... The says of our dearest Jesus can only be found in Matt Mark Luke John anything apart from this is not from Jesus


The book of Acts was written by Luke. He was narrating what happened after Jesus Christ had died to a man called Theophilus.

Acts is not a speech or teaching. It is just someone narrating to another person. And like I said,it isn't Paul that brought up the name Christian. It was the people of Antioch that called them that because of how they were behaving like Jesus Christ.

I don't argue with people about religion. You can believe in Islam and I won't have a problem with that. But if you feel Christians are blaspheming the name of God,pray for God to destroy them himself.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Nobody: 6:53am On Mar 18, 2017
ilynem:

Lol. OK. Let me clear the Hadith problem first. I know I am discussing with a Muslim (and from the look of things, an intelligent one) so you don't expect me to start giving you fraudulent sources. Let me start from the beginning.
Sahih al- Bukharin 6.61.510: Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Koranic materials, whatever written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt!
So here we can see that Uthman had already ordered some part of the Koran to be burnt. I didn't write this or make it up. You can confirm. Now let's move on.
Sahih al- Muslim 2286 : Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it: "Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and "that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).
So from this place you can see that some chapters of the Koran were missing because they were forgotten! Are you following me?
Sahih al-bukari 6.61.527: Ubay was the best of us in the recitation of the Koran. Yet we leave some of what he recites. Ubay says, I have taken it from the mouth of Allah's messenger and will not leave it for anything whatsoever.
Notice that Ubay was one of the four teachers of the Koran who Mohammed recommended that the Koran be learnt from. And yet some things in his recitation are left out of the present Koran. Follow me, let's keep going.
Now who put together the Koran we have today? Zayd ibn Thabit. Was he one of the top four teachers recommended by Mohammed? Nope. Who were they? Abdulla Ibn Mas’ud, Salim (a freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa), Mu’adh bin Jabal and Ubay bin Ka’b. (Sahih Bukhari 6.61.521).
So definitely, one of these four must have compiled the Koran we have today? Nope. Instead Zayd Ibn Thabit compiled it. Now notice that the first name Mohammed mentioned in the teaching of the Koran was Mas'ud? What did he have to say about today's Koran?
Jami At- Tirmidhi 3104: Az-Zuhri said: "'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah bin 'Utbah informed me that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslims people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and the recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man' - meaning Zaid bin Thabit - and it was regarding this that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-'Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them.
Now not only did ubay (best reciter) disagree with today's Koran, Mas'ud (number one teacher) did too. Let's not even go into Aisha's sheep eating verses on stoning and breastfeeding (more on this if you still want to discuss). Now let's sum this up.
Sahih al- Bukhari 6.61.509 : Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yalmama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)."
So what do we have here? Many reciters of the Koran died in a battle and many of the Korans where lost. So Abu Bakr asked Thabit to compile what was left. I'm not done. Now read the entire passage of Jami At- tirmidhi you will find out that different people had their own different manuscripts. Disputes started to happen on what should be in the Koran and what should be left out. Ibn Mas'ud had 111 chapters according to Ibn Abi Daud, kitab al-masahif. Ubay had 116 while while Zayd had 114 chapters. Check the source, I didn't make this up. So you see? Koran has had its own dispute too. Now to the Bible.
I understand you Muslims very well. You tend to pay attention to detail which is admirable. But let me tell you. Do you know that the old testament of the Bible is just a long arrow pointing to Jesus? What do I mean? The whole point of the Bible is Jesus. The old testament talks about the lineage in which Jesus was born. From Abraham to Judah to David down to the birth of Christ. The whole point of the old testament was to confirm the new. Hence the hundreds of prophesies about Jesus in the old testament. Now the Bible is a combination of Historical records and God's word. Unlike you, we do not have a Hadith were we can put stories. All of it are put in the Bible. Going through your list, you can see that most of the discrepancies are that of numbers. May are shock you that those numbers are actually irrelevant? They are history, written across 1400 years and there are bound to be errors since there are from different sources. But the whole point of the Bible is Jesus and that is what matters. Its like a movie. The beginning is important, but the point of the whole movie lies at the end. And that end is Jesus.
You sound like an intelligent dude. Read your history by yourself.
Atleast you hav agreed that the bible is not the word of God by ur explanation.. Hence u can't attribute mistakes to God. My point is that the bible of today has been completely and deliberately interpolated by the works of som historians and this action has change the authenticity of the book. So if u know that based on the volume of the evident errors, then ur guess is as Good as mine. The Hadith are sayings of the prophet or actions or things done by his companions which may include historical events etc hence the Hadith does not qualify to be included in the Quran because it involves human narrations which can contain errors. The death of Islamic memorisers in one of wars nececcitad the compilations of the Quran but again u must realize that a lot of people then memorized the Quran excluding the ones that died in the battle. In the course of the compilations every individual who claimed to have a portion of the Quran was not just accepted but verified based on the number of reciters who have learned it either from the prophet(peace be upon him )or a trusted companion. Those who either deliberately or mistakenly added ( verses or chapters)of what was not taught by the prophet( peace be upon him ) were rejected. The teaching of the Quran was learned in group by the companions of the prophet (peace b on him ) hence it was easy to differentiate authentic verses from unauthentic. Hence no contradiction in this regard. To this end relying on narrations u have quoted does not invalidate the Quran and u can do better by producing the the Quran which has 111 and 116 chapters as against the 114 .
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by thorpido(m): 6:44pm On Mar 18, 2017
IbnIslam:
Atleast you hav agreed that the bible is not the word of God by ur explanation.. Hence u can't attribute mistakes to God. My point is that the bible of today has been completely and deliberately interpolated by the works of som historians and this action has change the authenticity of the book. So if u know that based on the volume of the evident errors, then ur guess is as Good as mine. The Hadith are sayings of the prophet or actions or things done by his companions which may include historical events etc hence the Hadith does not qualify to be included in the Quran because it involves human narrations which can contain errors. The death of Islamic memorisers in one of wars nececcitad the compilations of the Quran but again u must realize that a lot of people then memorized the Quran excluding the ones that died in the battle. In the course of the compilations every individual who claimed to have a portion of the Quran was not just accepted but verified based on the number of reciters who have learned it either from the prophet(peace be upon him )or a trusted companion. Those who either deliberately or mistakenly added ( verses or chapters)of what was not taught by the prophet( peace be upon him ) were rejected. The teaching of the Quran was learned in group by the companions of the prophet (peace b on him ) hence it was easy to differentiate authentic verses from unauthentic. Hence no contradiction in this regard. To this end relying on narrations u have quoted does not invalidate the Quran and u can do better by producing the the Quran which has 111 and 116 chapters as against the 114 .
If you say the bible has been corrupted and are the words of men,why couldn't Allah preserve an authentic copy of what you call the Torah?
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Nobody: 6:57pm On Mar 18, 2017
thorpido:
If you say the bible has been corrupted and are the words of men,why couldn't Allah preserve an authentic copy of what you call the Torah?
the Jew and their likes are known to always temper with the scripture so that it can suit them and that's what they did the bible and torah(book of Moses). But with the Quran Allah has preserved it just as he promised in the Quran [Quran 15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.[Quran 56:77-80] This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere. A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 85:21-22] Indeed, it is a glorious Quran. In a preserved master tablet.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by thorpido(m): 9:08pm On Mar 18, 2017
IbnIslam:
the Jew and their likes are known to always temper with the scripture so that it can suit them and that's what they did the bible and torah(book of Moses). But with the Quran Allah has preserved it just as he promised in the Quran [Quran 15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.[Quran 56:77-80] This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere. A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 85:21-22] Indeed, it is a glorious Quran. In a preserved master tablet.
No,Allah failed because he should have preserved the Torah and remove all doubts.
The testimony of one man(Muhammed) cannot hold because there has to be testimonies of others.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by dennymade(m): 10:38pm On Mar 18, 2017
Maximus85:


Let's get it clear. You are making plenty sense here.

Jehovah is God. The Almighty God. But Jesus, his son is not Almighty God but simply Mighty God. So when we are talking about the two of them, don't you think it's an act of respect to use "God" for the almighty and "a God" for Jesus?
Because we agree that they are never equal. God has no beginning but Jesus does.


Do you agree? Does it make sense?

Where did you see "a God" ? When the bible refers to the gods of infidels it begins with small letter g, But in the case of Jesus , it begins with capital letter G, what does that implies? Whether you call it Mighty or All mighty, the power of Jesus is infinite and only personal encounter with Him can reveal that. For a man can receive nothing except it is given to from above. ... an He told Peter; "flesh and blood does not reveal this to you....."
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Maximus85(m): 10:52pm On Mar 18, 2017
dennymade:


Where did you see "a God" ? When the bible refers to the gods of infidels it begins with small letter g, But in the case of Jesus , it begins with capital letter G, what does that implies? Whether you call it Mighty or All mighty, the power of Jesus is infinite and only personal encounter with Him can reveal that. For a man can receive nothing except it is given to from above. ... an He told Peter; "flesh and blood does not reveal this to you....."


Wetin dis one dey talk now?

Oga'de we talking about equality here. Is Jesus the God who created the heaven and the earth? Answer Pls.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Bluesearoll(m): 8:13am On Mar 19, 2017
Am just tired of people trying so hard to comprehend what their maker can do, with the tiny brain the maker gave to them out of sand. The moment we know everything God can do? That's the moment HE seizes to be God. Even pastors don't know 1% about God, they only know what God wants them to know, that's y Muslim will never understand the concept of JESUS being GOD, even if you use the eternity to explain to them because they will always look at it canally.. It takes a spiritual being to understand things of the spirit.. Even God HIMSELF called JESUS God... Hebrew 1 v 8, John 10v30
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Nobody: 8:40am On Mar 19, 2017
thorpido:
No,Allah failed becausae he should have preserved the Torah and remove all doubts.
The testimony of one man(Muhammed) cannot hold because there has to be testimonies of others.
take ur time to study ur bible and u will find answers to ur questions. U will realize that ur bible talked about Muhammad ( peace be upon him). That is d truth ur pastors have concealed from u
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by thorpido(m): 9:14am On Mar 19, 2017
IbnIslam:
take ur time to study ur bible and u will find answers to ur questions. U will realize that ur bible talked about Muhammad ( peace be upon him). That is d truth ur pastors have concealed from u
Mind showing me where the bible talked about Muhammed?
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Lanjonath(m): 4:05pm On Mar 19, 2017
pinkyruledworld:
I no get time but nevertheless Happy Birthday

:-) Thanks a lot g and God bless.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 7:59pm On Mar 19, 2017
Maximus85:



Wetin dis one dey talk now?

Oga'de we talking about equality here. Is Jesus the God who created the heaven and the earth? Answer Pls.
yes of course,Jesus created all things according to the will of his father,God the father created all things through his replica(Jesus)"For by Jesus were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Jesus, and for Jesus:" (Colossians 1:16)."And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:17).Jesus is the visible form of the invisible God,the visible God proceed out of the invisible God,"For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. " (John 16:27-28).he is the God that came out of the father,that is why Jesus is God and yet he has a father(the one in whom he came out from)Jesus is the replica of his father "Who is the image(icon,replica,form,photo,picture) of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15) no wonder he said''"And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. " (John 12:45).so,when you worship Jesus or the holy spirit,you are actually worshipping the father.the replica of God is not less than God,he is fully God."For it pleased the Father that in Jesus should all fulness dwell;" (Colossians 1:19).when you say thank you lord Jesus,the father takes the glory becos they are one,nevertheless,the replicator bears the replica,thats why the father remains the head of christ....the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3).yet he is not less than he that is called God.even when he said'' the father is greater than him''does'nt make him lesser God,it only means that the GOD who gives out or replicate is greater than the GOD that is given or replicated,yet the replicator and replica share all things in common i.e the glory,the powers,the attributes,the character,and personality etc,"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand." (John 3:35)."Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:2).
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Maximus85(m): 8:44pm On Mar 19, 2017
jenavism44:
yes of course,Jesus created all things according to the will of his father,God the father created all things through his replica(Jesus)"For by Jesus were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Jesus, and for Jesus:" (Colossians 1:16)."And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:17).Jesus is the visible form of the invisible God,the visible God proceed out of the invisible God,"For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. " (John 16:27-28).he is the God that came out of the father,that is why Jesus is God and yet he has a father(the one in whom he came out from)Jesus is the replica of his father "Who is the image(icon,replica,form,photo,picture) of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15) no wonder he said''"And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. " (John 12:45).so,when you worship Jesus or the holy spirit,you are actually worshipping the father.the replica of God is not less than God,he is fully God."For it pleased the Father that in Jesus should all fulness dwell;" (Colossians 1:19).when you say thank you lord Jesus,the father takes the glory becos they are one,nevertheless,the replicator bears the replica,thats why the father remains the head of christ....the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3).

Bottom line.... Are they equal?
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 9:33pm On Mar 19, 2017
Maximus85:


Bottom line.... Are they equal?
yes they are,the father made Jesus equal to himself,for example,God gave Jesus,all power and authority,he did'nt reserve more for himself,since Jesus is all-power,all-knowing,and all-seeing.we can conclude that he is all-mighty God,if your father has 10 oranges and then gives you 10 oranges.you can say that you have oranges equal to your father,you can say,you and your father has equal amount of oranges,God is all-powerful and then gave all the powers to Jesus,what is Jesus?is he not all-powerful.Jesus is equal to God,in glory
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Bakrabas: 10:58pm On Mar 19, 2017
Its well bro


izzou:


The book of Acts was written by Luke. He was narrating what happened after Jesus Christ had died to a man called Theophilus.

Acts is not a speech or teaching. It is just someone narrating to another person. And like I said,it isn't Paul that brought up the name Christian. It was the people of Antioch that called them that because of how they were behaving like Jesus Christ.

I don't argue with people about religion. You can believe in Islam and I won't have a problem with that. But if you feel Christians are blaspheming the name of God,pray for God to destroy them himself.

Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Maximus85(m): 11:01pm On Mar 19, 2017
jenavism44:
yes they are,the father made Jesus equal to himself,for example,God gave Jesus,all power and authority,he did'nt reserve more for himself,since Jesus is all-power,all-knowing,and all-seeing.we can conclude that he is all-mighty God,if you father has 10 oranges and then gives you 10 oranges.you can say that you have oranges equal to your father,you can say,you and your father has equal amount of oranges,God is all-powerful and then gave all the powers to Jesus,what is Jesus?is he not all-powerful.Jesus is equal to God,in glory

Hmmmm.
Do you know anything about the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ? If you do, who will Jesus handover rulership to at the end of the one thousand years reign?
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 4:27am On Mar 20, 2017
Maximus85:


Hmmmm.
Do you know anything about the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ? If you do, who will Jesus handover rulership to at the end of the one thousand years reign?
he will hand over to his father i.e his replicator,even though,he handover to his father which is his head,he is still one with is father,becos he said"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Hebrews 1:cool.the rulership of Jesus is forever,even if later submit or subject himself to his father does'nt make him lesser or common "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." (1 Corinthians 15:24)."For God hath put all things under Jesus feet. But when God saith, all things are put under Jesus, it is manifest that himself is excepted, which did put all things under Jesus." (1 Corinthians 15:27)."And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Jesus also himself be subject unto God the father that put all things under Jesus, that God the father may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28),it true that Jesus is God himself and by inheritance equal to the father,yet Jesus has a head i.e GODHEAD,it is true that,subsequently,he would handover to his father(GODHEAD) but that would'not make him lesser and inferior to his father,since they are one,Jesus remains the representative and representation of God,here the scripture says"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." (Revelation 21:22)."And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:" (Revelation 22:3)."And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." (Revelation 21:3)."Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them." (Revelation 7:15)."For Jesus which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." (Revelation 7:17).but about the Son(JESUS) He says: “Your throne, O God(JESUS), will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of Your kingdom.(Hebrew 1;9) JESUS remains one with his father forever even as it was from the beginning even to all ages Amen
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 4:51am On Mar 20, 2017
Maximus85:


Hmmmm.
Do you know anything about the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ? If you do, who will Jesus handover rulership to at the end of the one thousand years reign?
Are you indirectly saying that God even the Most high will stripe Jesus all powers and authority in the heavenly places after the 1000 years of peace?if that is true then this scripture"But unto his Son Jesus,he said,YOUR THRONE, O God(JESUS),will last for ever and ever even to all ages: a sceptre(the ornamental rod carried by a monarch on ceremonial occasion) of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Hebrews 1:cool.will be invalid
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 5:14am On Mar 20, 2017
Bakrabas:
Fine now I realise that you don't knw buybull... Who wrote the book of Acts... The says of our dearest Jesus can only be found in Matt Mark Luke John anything apart from this is not from Jesus

it obvious that knowledge is highly expensive and wisdom is too high for a....,you said any book apart from mathew,mark,luke and John is not from Jesus,the same people that was inspired by God to write these books,were the same people that wrote the other books,eg Acts,1 peter,2 peter,1 John,2 John,3 John3 etc,the same Jesus that appeared to apostle paul.even John the beloved,
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 5:17am On Mar 20, 2017
Bakrabas:
Fine now I realise that you don't knw buybull... Who wrote the book of Acts... The says of our dearest Jesus can only be found in Matt Mark Luke John anything apart from this is not from Jesus

it obvious that knowledge is highly expensive and wisdom is too high for a....,you said any book apart from mathew,mark,luke and John is not from Jesus,the same people that was inspired by God to write these books,were the same people that wrote the other books,eg Acts,1 peter,2 peter,1 John,2 John,3 John3 etc,the same Jesus that appeared to apostle paul.even John the beloved, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2 Timothy 3:16)."Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)."For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21).
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Maximus85(m): 6:35am On Mar 20, 2017
jenavism44:
he will hand over to his father i.e his replicator,even though,he handover to his father which is his head,he is still one with is father,becos he said"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Hebrews 1:cool.the rulership of Jesus is forever,even if later submit or subject himself to his father does'nt make him lesser or common "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." (1 Corinthians 15:24)."For God hath put all things under Jesus feet. But when God saith, all things are put under Jesus, it is manifest that himself is excepted, which did put all things under Jesus." (1 Corinthians 15:27)."And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Jesus also himself be subject unto God the father that put all things under Jesus, that God the father may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28),it true that Jesus is God himself and by inheritance equal to the father,yet Jesus has a head i.e GODHEAD,it is true that,subsequently,he would handover to his father(GODHEAD) but that would'not make him lesser and inferior to his father,since they are one,Jesus remains the representative and representation of God,here the scripture says"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." (Revelation 21:22)."And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:" (Revelation 22:3)."And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." (Revelation 21:3)."Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them." (Revelation 7:15)."For Jesus which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." (Revelation 7:17).but about the Son(JESUS) He says: “Your throne, O God(JESUS), will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of Your kingdom.(Hebrew 1;9) JESUS remains one with his father forever even as it was from the beginning even to all ages Amen

You've answered my question.

If Jesus is equal to God, why then won't he do anything on his own? Why would he need to pray to God before he does anything? And they are equal? But there are decisions Jesus cannot take on his own?

Answer with relevant scriptures.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by jenavism44: 8:24am On Mar 20, 2017
Maximus85:


You've answered my question.

If Jesus is equal to God, why then won't he do anything on his own? Why would he need to pray to God before he does anything? And they are equal? But there are decisions Jesus cannot take on his own?

Answer with relevant scriptures.
Jesus has the will power to do anything on his one,because he has the rights of God,since God has willed all things to him."Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:2).he has the power to do anything even without the counsel of his father,yet he would'not do what the father cannot do,he does what he see his father do,because they are one,he like what his father like,as a God he can do anything he wills,and yet his will'not contradict God's will "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. " (John 5:26-27).he has the right to give anyone life,he has the right to condemn and reject even without the counsel of his father,he has the right to choose,live and the right to rule,he was "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" (Philippians 2:6-7).if he was a servant in heaven,why will he take the FORM OF A SERVANT?,That is contradiction,can a boy take a form of a boy?he is already a boy.but Jesus while coming to the earth,took a form of a servant,as a servant he lived on earth that why he prayed to his God(his superior),that why he obeyed God as a faithful servant and witness "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," (Revelation 1:5).but now,he has been glorified with the GODLY glory."And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. " (John 17:5).he is no longer a servant but the monarch of the universe.he is now the right hand man of God,the lord of all "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:" (Ephesians 1:21)."And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all." (Ephesians 1:22-23)."Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;" (Philippians 2:9-10)."Jesus shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Philippians 3:21).Jesus is not the first angel ,he was the first and last,he is God and one with Jehovah
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Ken4Christ: 8:58am On Mar 20, 2017
Jesus is God. As the son of God, he has the same nature and essence as the Father. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in him. He only became subject to the father because of the human nature he took. He has no beginning and he has no end.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Maximus85(m): 1:04pm On Mar 20, 2017
jenavism44:
Jesus has the will power to do anything on his one,because he has the rights of God,since God has willed all things to him."Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:2).he has the power to do anything even without the counsel of his father,yet he would'not do what the father cannot do,he does what he see his father do,because they are one,he like what his father like,as a God he can do anything he wills,and yet his will'not contradict God's will "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. " (John 5:26-27).he has the right to give anyone life,he has the right to condemn and reject even without the counsel of his father,he has the right to choose,live and the right to rule,he was "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" (Philippians 2:6-7).if he was a servant in heaven,why will he take the FORM OF A SERVANT?,That is contradiction,can a boy take a form of a boy?he is already a boy.but Jesus while coming to the earth,took a form of a servant,as a servant he lived on earth that why he prayed to his God(his superior),that why he obeyed God as a faithful servant and witness "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," (Revelation 1:5).but now,he has been glorified with the GODLY glory."And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. " (John 17:5).he is no longer a servant but the monarch of the universe.he is now the right hand man of God,the lord of all "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:" (Ephesians 1:21)."And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all." (Ephesians 1:22-23)."Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;" (Philippians 2:9-10)."Jesus shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Philippians 3:21).Jesus is not the first angel ,he was the first and last,he is God and one with Jehovah

Who created Jesus?
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Maximus85(m): 1:09pm On Mar 20, 2017
jenavism44:
Jesus has the will power to do anything on his one,because he has the rights of God,since God has willed all things to him."Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:2).he has the power to do anything even without the counsel of his father,yet he would'not do what the father cannot do,he does what he see his father do,because they are one,he like what his father like,as a God he can do anything he wills,and yet his will'not contradict God's will "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. " (John 5:26-27).he has the right to give anyone life,he has the right to condemn and reject even without the counsel of his father,he has the right to choose,live and the right to rule,he was "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" (Philippians 2:6-7).if he was a servant in heaven,why will he take the FORM OF A SERVANT?,That is contradiction,can a boy take a form of a boy?he is already a boy.but Jesus while coming to the earth,took a form of a servant,as a servant he lived on earth that why he prayed to his God(his superior),that why he obeyed God as a faithful servant and witness "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," (Revelation 1:5).but now,he has been glorified with the GODLY glory."And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. " (John 17:5).he is no longer a servant but the monarch of the universe.he is now the right hand man of God,the lord of all "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:" (Ephesians 1:21)."And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all." (Ephesians 1:22-23)."Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;" (Philippians 2:9-10)."Jesus shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Philippians 3:21).Jesus is not the first angel ,he was the first and last,he is God and one with Jehovah

Since you know the pages very well, I have more questions for you. Pls don't get tired.
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 5:02am On Apr 09, 2017
Amberon:
insanity is when you think there are 72 virgins waiting for you in Hannah with your joystick being eternally erect.

And insanity is following a child raping prophet who confessed he made up the quran.. "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (Al-Tabari 6:111)

Insanity is following islam as the truth when a sheep ate and defecated out your quran.. It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it." (Hasan) Ibn Majah 3:9:1944

How stupid can a muslim be?

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Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 5:09am On Apr 09, 2017
IbnIslam:
and sanity is when u read and learn ur bible without allowing ur pastor blind fold u ok?

And insanity is following a child raping prophet who confessed he made up the quran.. "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (Al-Tabari 6:111)

Insanity is following islam as the truth when a sheep ate and defecated out your quran.. It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it." (Hasan) Ibn Majah 3:9:1944

How stupid can a muslim be?
Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 5:18am On Apr 09, 2017
IbnIslam:
u said research? If true, then by now u should have known that out of all the various versions of ur bible, no two bibles are identical... Fact. Also as expected I know u would resort to insult just to cover ur ignorance...but if u want intellectual discussion then I am ready.

Wow another child raping muslim on the band wagon. If the supposed two bibles are not the same perhaps you mind telling us whats the difference between them? Oh and another thing while you at it why dont you tell us why you have so many different qurans eg, Yusuf Ali,
Arberry,
Al-Hilali & Khan,
Palmer,
Shakir,
Sale,
Sher Ali,
Pickthall,
Khalifa and
Rodwell to name but a few. And NO they're not the same

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