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Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 3:23am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Nowenuse: Maybe, Edos,Yorubas and Arewa should have known that Ndiigbo shared no direct boundaries with them before they ganged up and invaded our lands in Biafra to commit war crimes. Isn't it. Ironic that a people who committed so much against Igboland and her people and show no remorse are accusing Ndiigbo of hate? (1) "Among the large majority hailing from that tribe (Yorubas) who are most vocal in inciting the complete extermination of the Ibos, I often heard remarks that all Nigeria s ills will be cured once the Ibos have been removed ..." Dr Conor Cruise O'Bien (21 December, 1967, New York review). It’s (mass starvation) is a legitimate aspect of war, " Anthony Enahoro, Nigerian Commissioner for Information at a press conference in (New York, July 1968) "Starvation is a legitimate weapon of war, and we have every intention of using it against the rebels, " Mr Alison Ayida, Head of Nigerian Delegation, Niamey Peace Talks, Republic of Niger, July 1968) " "Bestialities and indignities of all kinds were visited on Biafrans in 1966. In Ikeja Barracks (Western Nigeria) Biafrans were forcibly fed on a mixture of human urine and faeces. In Northern Nigeria numerous Biafran house-wives and nursing mothers were despoiled before their husbands and children. Young girls were abducted from their homes, working places and schools and forced into sexual intercourse with sick, demented and leprous men". Mr. Eric Spiff (German War correspondence Eyewitness, 1967 And we still have U tube video of Igbophobic utterances of Yoruba and Arewa leaders before 1967, we also have Oba Akenzua infamous article about Ndiigbo in 1965. Yet other than group pride or self praise, we can't find any Igbo hate message or actions towards these people pre 1965 or the war proper. The so called Igbo hate today towards these Igbophobic entities and persons, are direct reactions of Ndiigbo to barrages of Igbophobia emanating from those quarters. Our fore runners ignored those hate messages and actions, the present Igbo youthful generation will not. We will return your Igbophobia back to you with 10 times more hate than you directed at us. Atleast our hates against each other wasn't as bad as those Yorubas had for each other that led to all of them killing each other in Kiriji wrestling matches called "war". Anambra and Imo despise each other in your dreams, just keep dreaming. Osu culture is not widespread all over Igboland. It's not practiced in many parts of Igboland and it had since been phased out. The culture and logic behind it isn't one to be understood using today's ideals. Lol! Even Germany was divided into East Germany and West Germany by allied forces, with Each part of Germany being ideologically parallel to Each other. A price the Germans had to pay for losing the WW2. The division in Igboland today between SE Igbos and the SS ones is a fall out of Igbos losing the civil war, and was encouraged by the FG as part of its post civil war policy of balkanizing Igboland to prevent future insurrection. But like East and West Germany one day United, so shall the entire Igbo speaking people and that day is already coming, many persons from those groups are beginning to ask hard questions, Uche Okwukwu, an Ikwerre man is the current Secretary of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, the admin of Proudly Anioma, Proudly Igbo Facebook page is an Ukwuani son, The foremost Igboist and historian, Osita Mordi is an Ika man, so better savor this division while you can, the veil of division you placed is currently wearing thin. NB. Enu-ani share direct boundary with Edo state. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Favor99(m): 5:17am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: Pazienza, what's up bro. Long time. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by obaaderemi: 5:55am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth:You should know that persistent people with victim mentality would always twist the narrative to suit their purpose and sooth their hearts. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Nobody: 7:42am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Wicked souls parading themselves as fellow citizens. No wonder Nigeria is such a shit hole. Oh God, unite Igboland and give us Biafra. Amen. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Nobody: 7:47am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza:May God bless your hustle nwannem. Keep feeding them the truth. The truth will surly destroy every evil formation against Indi'Igbo. 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 9:42am On Mar 24, 2017 |
DocHMD: A people who still praise Zik despite he misled them into a marriage with the jihadist for which they later paid with 3 million innocent souls in search for divorce. Your brother was slammed thoroughly and you have rushed to his aid before the end of the fight. Why not allow the contest to end before coming to declare results uninvited? |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by DocHMD: 9:51am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth: Where is the slamming? You think Pazienza is your fellow deluded illiterate you can push around? You never jam! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:38am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: The Awolowo you accuse of tribalism never made any public utterance of superiority on behalf of Yorubas in the name of merely encouraging their pride. Any open and public proclamation of tribal superiority is a subtle threat of subjugation of others. Another Igbo man inspired by Zik had this to say in 1945: ”Igbo domination of Nigeria is only a matter of time”- Charles Onyeama, a prominent Igbo lawyer and member of the Central Legislative Council, 1945. (Page 204 ”Ethnic Politics In Kenya and Nigeria” by Godfrey Mwakikagile). Now tell me again that he used “domination” just to encourage Igbos’ sense of pride. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:40am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: Your claim that there was no retaliation on Ziks part is yet another face saving volte face from my poser challenging you on the propriety of Zik’s decision to seek vengeance through a means which collateralized the future liberty and lives of innocent Southerners: 3. Hear yourself initially: “Lol! After Awolowo introduction of tribal politics in the 1951 Western region election to win the region for his AG, what option exactly did he leave for NCNC but to align with the North. And moreover, while NCNC aligned with NEPU, AG was also aligned with UMBC, both NEPU and UMBC being the minority parties in the North. The circumstances behind the aligning of NCNC with NPC was hinged on Awo's treachery where he wanted to play Zik a fool, but was instead checkmated by Zik who left him in the lurch. Awo would later play the same game successfully against Ojukwu. For while Awo was posturing as a middle man in search of alliance with the East, he was also searching for a possible alliance with the North.” The above by you obviously suggested that Zik’s decision to team up with the NPC was inspired by a quest for vengeance. But now you changed tune. Awo’s persecution was political. If not how come an investigation into the time of his premiership with Akintola as deputy indicted Awo but left Akintola smelling of roses? Why was the same probe not extended to Zik who was the first Nigerian to be indicted of corruption by even the colonial authorities over AfDB finances? The truth was that all the players in the first republic namely, Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Awo, Akintola, Zik, Okpara, Okotie-Eboh, Mbadiwe, etc were all corrupt. You can get the facts here. http://www.mondaq.com/Nigeria/x/490434/White+Collar+Crime+Fraud/The+AntiCorruption+Legal+Framework+And+Its+Effect and here http://www.nigeriacommunicationsweek.com.ng/e-business/fighting-corruption-a-war-for-all Only Awo’s own was made an issue because of his opposition to the Arewanistan-Biafra coalition. And in any case the NEPU and NPC which Zik teamed up with were both Core North-controlled Islamist parties, while the UMBC which Awo aligned with was a Middle-Belters’ party founded and controlled by a Christian called Joseph Tarka. Also Awolwo never sought alliance with both NCNC and NPC at the same time. It was Akintola who, entirely out of his own accord, went to Ahmadu Bello to, in his capacity as the premier of Western Region, negotiate. Recall that even before independence Akintola, against Awolowo’s disapproval for anything Islamist North, had already been serving as a minister under Balewa’s shadow regime which the colonial masters put in place in 1957 preparatory to their final exit. Akintola would later still visit Ahmadu Bello on the eve of the January 15 coup to suggest they both flee the country before the day of action which Bello declined. Awolowo once more demonstrated his revulsion for the Islamist North by rejecting Balewa’s offer of being released provided he would just kill his enduring all-Southern-parties-alliance dream and align with the NPC from which Zik had become alienated over the brazen rigging of 1962 censuses. Recall that it was at that point Zik sent Okpara to Ibadan to mend fences with AG through his wife who really forgave Zik and Okpara. And that was where Awo made mistakes because Zik later still abandoned them in UPGA to accept appointment again in the NNA of Akintola-Balewa. If I were in Awo’s shoes I would have accepted Balewa’ offer, come out of prison, aligned AG with NPC, accept a position and with Zik out in the cold, proceed to deal with him too, Akintola, and Okpara with the same Bello and Balewa behind me. I would not mind if the coup plotters later killed me too. Now the question is, if Awo did double faced dealing, why would Zik later seek refuge politically with him and his party when he was being pummeled by the NPC? As for the bolded: Funny enough, Zik, who according to you, decided to later align with Awo for beliving that Awo would not leave him in the lurch this rime around, was the one who ended up leaving Awo in the lurch once more to join the NNA again. See your puerile logic? Another illogicality of this claim is that Zik eventually decided to strike a deal with a man whom his (ZIK's) own government had already convicted for "corruption" and was even already serving the jail term. Why align with a criminal if he himself was not a bigger one? Does that portray Zik as a man with a sound sense of judgement or as a shameless desperado who could condescend to any level in pursuit of any ambition? No wonder he, a PhD holder, agreed to be a powerless a ceremonial head under a grade II teacher just so that Igbos might be compensated with ministerial portfolios as if that was more important than preventing the Feudalists from ascending to power. So unprincipled a man! He even referred to himself as a political prostitute - a gene which he transmitted to all Igbos. In the case of Ojukwu, it was simple. When they met in Calabar, Awo first advised him against violent secession, but it fell on deaf ears. Then he asked him for two weeks to think deeply about subscribing to a violent means of secession against his pure civilian disposition before going ahead with declaration. But in less than three days later while Awo was on his way back to Ibadan the news of Ojukwu declaring Biafra (probably due to changed circumstances beyond his control) caught him by surprise. Question again: If Awo really played double negotiation with both Zik and Bello in 1959, would Ojukwu have confided in him over plans to declare Biafra? Let logic prevail over sentiments. Ojukwu himself would later, at the age of elderly maturity and better understanding of life, review his earlier opinion on Awo, hence he attended Awo’s burial and showered encomiums on him, but never attended that of Zik. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:41am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: 5. Without prejudice to the fact that Igbos are actually more unrelated to any SS ethnic group, I can tell that you exude ignorance of the existence of Edoid tribes like the Egenni, Epie etc in Rivers and Bayelsa States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engenni_people. https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/weekly/index.php/notes-from-atlanta/13466-what-s-really-president-goodluck-jonathan-s-ethnic-group https://www.writing.com/main/view_item.php/item_id/1725677-nigerias--president-and-bombing There are Ijaws, Itsekiris and Urhobos indigenous to Edo State and are enclaves within the Binis. Some Edo North tribes speak mutually intelligible languages with some minute tribes in Northern Cross River. Only Akwa Ibom is totally unconnected with Edo State in the SS. Your attempt to define Edo State as Northwards with your map is at best stupid and reeks of ignorance. Southernness is not measured by latitude but by closeness to the coastline to which Edo is closer than any Middle East State. On account of direct access to the sea through Benin River Edo had a sea port at Gelegele in the past and is being revived now. Does any part of the Middle East have such access to the sea for a seaport establishment? The lower South Western tip of Edo State is just 30km from the adjacent coastline but the most southern tip of the most southern Middle Easst state of Abia is 43km from the coast. The northernmost part of Edo (Imoga) is 220km from her adjacent coastline while the corresponding part of Enugu is 300km from the coast. Even the Northernmost tip of Cross River is farther from the coast (230km) than that of Edo though closer than Enugu’s. The tropical rain forest, another feature of southernness covers nearly 80% of Edo but is totally absent in Enugu and Ebonyi which are in the Guinea Savannah – a feature of Northernness. If latitude were to really matter then the North should be classifying Benue as too Southern compared with other Northern states. Likewise the arm of Kogi which extends deep down beside Anambra should make Anambra too close to Kogi to be in the South. Even the Igbos indigenous to Benue State have become Hausa-Fulanis by your silly Geographical location logic. If not for deep seated envy arising from a sense of loss and irrelevance why do Middle Easterners always have sleepless nights over the composition of the SS when their own Biafra cohesion is in a sorry state courtesy of the rancor between Nwazurike and Nnamdi kanu? The practically yoruboid Itsekiris in Delta have no cultural or historical ties with the Ogojas in C’River any more than the Ogonis (of Ghanaian origin) have with their contiguous ijaws yet they are both in the SS, the Ijaws in Ondo State are not even in the SS but that does not disqualify them from the SS brotherhood, the Ebus in Delta (an Igala offshoot) have no cultural ties with the Ibibios of Akwa Ibom, yet they now see themselves as brothers. The South-South unity and sense of oneness is therefore founded not on cultural similarity or geographical location but on a shared objective of freedom from WAZOBIA oppression of which Igbos are number one culprit. The US is a country of extremely diverse peoples totally unrelated by culture who have however found a common identity through their shared objective of a free society. That is the modern trend, hence it is extremely primitive, blind, crude, unenlightened, backward and bestial for anyone to still be basing it on ethnic similarities or intermarriage. The SS has come to stay and there is absolutely NOTHING you can ever in your miserable life do about it. We have evolved our identity from the ashes of WAZOBIA oppression. In response to the Middle Belters quest for their own identity, the Core North has let them be. They no longer call them their brothers. Likewise the Yorubas who have left the Western minorities of Edo Delta be, and no longer drag them into the Yoruba brotherhood. But Igbos have refused to let the Eastern Minorities be despite all their struggle for their own separate Identity. They derogatorily labell them as artificial creation by Obasanjo wheras they (Igbos) joined the North to vote in that same OBJ, any SS person that expresses genuine misgivings about biafra inclusion they demonize him, blackmail him with claims of being used by Hausa-Fulani despite themselves were the first Hausa-Fulani slaves in Nigeria's history. Why can't they let Eastern Minorities be? Why? Why? Why? Is brotherhood by coersion or by consent? Among all the Southern tribes the Igbos are the most similar to the Hausa Fulanis in terms of shared values and attitude. While it would be understood that islamization in Edo, and Yoruba parts resulted from Dan Fodio's forceful evangelism, that of Igbo land has been 100% voluntary. The best islamic university in the entire country is going to be established in Igbo land. Find it here: http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/5362-Igboland-to-get-Islamic-University-to-be-located-in-Afikpo-Ebonyi-State-Boasts-the-best-Islamic-secondary-school-in-Nigeria At this time that the wave of christian evangelism is sweeping the other parts of the South there are daily reported cases of free will conversion of young Igbo boys and Girls to islam in Enugu, Ebonyi, etc. Find it here:https://www.nairaland.com/3163005/young-igbo-woman-reportedly-converts https://www.nairaland.com/2999326/islamization-afikpo-igbos-80-percent http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/114749550692/muslim-festival-anohia-village-afikpo-igbo That suggests that if Dan Fodio's had not been halted at Auchi and therefore had been able to set foot on Igbo land it would have been a walk over. And this nonentity is here describing Edo as a Northern state without any regard for the voluntary islamization of Igboland or the pronounced upward tilt of the coastline at the points exactly adjacent to Edo. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:42am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: 4. There was everything to show that Zik’s quest to hold Nigeria together was not propelled by blind optimism but by the pursuit of a vainglorious title of “Zik of Africa” and subconsciously a pro-Igbo agenda of domination which he and his surrogates like Onyeama had already declared. The massacre of Igbos in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1953 respectively, the Northerners open chanting of born-to-rule – a philosophy antithetical to democracy, Ahmadu Bello’s open castigation and demonizing of Igbos (Zik himself inclusive) at every opportunity, frequent demands for de-amalgamation by Northerners, etc were all enough eye openers for an innocently blind optimist. Zik’s argument might be intellectually sound but it was far from the reality kissing everyone in the face. And you know that idealistic people normally sound very intelligent since the imaginative world of alternate reality is full of utopian images. Well, contrary to your claim, the Union Treaty of 1707 had in it the clause which granted Scotland’s demand of the right for legislative autonomy within the UK. Read it over again. It was you who referenced it. Now, it was that clause David Cameroon invoked to direct the Scottish Legislature in 2012 (The Edinburg Agreement 2012) to go and deliberate over it and come out with a working document on the manner to go about the referendum in 2014. Yes it is undeniable that any people have the right to seek secession from any union whether such right is canonnized or not. However my contention has more to do with morality than legalism. In UK the other parts did not oppose Scotland’s demand for legislative autonomy in 1707 or term it a demand inimical to national unity as Zik and Igbos did to others in Nigeria. Not even David Cameroon, whose England was in power as at the time of Scotland's demand, refused to entertain arguements for the canonization of the Edinburg Act unlike Igbos who, against public opinion, promulgated an Anti-Secession Decree at a time they were in power. But here we are with Igbos who criticized and resisted all corresponding moves in Nigeria now goading everyone else to go violent about a reversal. That is the absurdity and afterthought others are refusing to tolerate from them. Had the power equation in Nigeria been to the favour of Igbos they would not have been seeing any injustice about Nigeria by now. If Ojukwu really had regards for referendum, then why could he not at least advise Ironsi to do same to test Boro’s people’s opinion before he (Ojukwu) attacked Boro? Which plebiscite did Ojukwu and ironsi conduct before they promulgated the Anti-secession Decree? That makes nonsense of the accusation that Gowon rejected plebiscite. What goes around comes around. Your claim that some Ijaw leaders’ comradeship with Ojukwu justified his crushing of Boro’s NDR vindicates the FG’s sustained crackdown on IPOB protesters since a lot of Igbos too are currently in Buhari’s cabinet and are anti-Biafra Movement. As for the bolded, here is a link that Zik and Igbos held them back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War It states thus: The AG insisted that Lagos, a Yoruba city which was situated in Western Nigeria must be completely recognised as a Yoruba town without any loss of identity, control or autonomy by the Yoruba. Contrary to this position, the NCNC was anxious to declare Lagos, by virtue of it being the "Federal Capital Territory" as "no man's land" - a declaration which as could be expected angered the AG which offered to help fund the development of other territory in Nigeria as "Federal Capital Territory" and then threatened secession from Nigeria if it didn't get its way. The threat of secession by the AG was tabled, documented and recorded in numerous constitutional conferences, including the constitutional conference held in London in 1954 with the demand that a right of secession be enshrined in the constitution of the emerging Nigerian nation to allow any part of the emergent nation to opt out of Nigeria, should the need arise.(Author(s): Tekena N. TamunoSource: The Journal of Modern African Studies, Vol. 8, No. 4 (Dec., 1970), pp. 563–584 [42] ) This proposal for inclusion of right of secession by the regions in independent Nigeria by the AG was rejected and resisted by NCNC which vehemently argued for a tightly bound united/unitary structured nation because it viewed the provision of a secession clause as detrimental to the formation of a Unitary Nigerian state. In the face of sustained opposition by the NCNC delegates, later joined by the NPC and backed by threats to view maintenance of the inclusion of secession by the AG as treasonable by the British, the AG was forced to renounce its position of inclusion of the right of secession a part of the Nigerian constitution. It should be noted that, had such a provision been made in the Nigerian constitution, later events which led to the Nigerian/Biafran civil war would have been avoided. The pre-independence alliance between the NCNC and the NPC against the aspirations of the AG would later set the tone for political governance of independent Nigeria by the NCNC/NPC and lead to disaster in later years in Nigeria. .......Thank God that the author of referenced Journal is neither a Yoruba nor an Edolite but a Rivers or Bayelsa man. So accusation of self-favouring revisionism will not hold here. From the above on "no man's land declaration" it could be seen that Igbos had always coveted other people's lands from time immemorial. So much so that they rejected having the capital city just in pursuit of land grabbing objective. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:44am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: 6. Are ambiguity and illogicality synonymous? The contents of the website you referenced failed chronological logic. How could a school be founded in 1980 yet established in 1979? Human’s prepare websites and are not infallible. It is like agreeing that 1 + 2 equals 7 just because a website says so despite actually knowing that the answer is three. Biafra education! |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:47am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: 7. I would not expect you to make any sense out of it. We are talking of moral propriety and this fraud is talking of constitutionalism as if the constitution back then was drafted and agreed upon by Nigerians themselves. The same people who base their call for secession on the fact that Nigeria’s constitution was a British document are here again justifying their own brothers political misadventure on that very fraudulent British constitution. Never able to maintain a single line of argument. The only consistent thing about them is inconsistency. If constitutionalism confers rightness on anything then the 13% derivation, the crackdown on Ipob protesters, etc are all morally right since they are all allowed by the constitution. If not for your abysmal comprehension ability you would have known that after amalgamation the areas of Benue and Taraba, collective called Munchi back then, still remained in the Southern Region till the early fifties when they were excised into the Northern Region – the same time Zik was away in Ibadan fooling himself. Awolowo’s irredentism predated Gowon’s era. Go and read his book titled “Path to Nigeria’s Freedom”. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:49am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza:Poor comprehension again. Being an Arewa-Biafra party does not obliterate the fact that the Igbos were always the junior slave partners used to do dirty jobs and later dumped. It happened in the first Republic. It was almost happening in the second republic before Buhari swept all that away. It happened again in PDP when Igbos were dumped after being used by Arewa to endorse OBJ their trusted lackey. Remember OBJ later described as “gentleman’s agreement” the promise to give Igbos the 2003 PDP ticket? Yes Igbo sons were VPs for both Awo and Shagari while Zik ran for presidency, but Igbos voted for the Arewa-Biafra combination which the Shagari-Ekweme ticket represented. OBJ was never truly representative of Yoruba interest. In fact his anti-Yoruba disposition endeared him to Northerners. Whichever Southerner hates his own people and is always ready to displease them, such the North falls in love with. Examples are Azikiwe, OBJ, Anenih, etc. You claim PDP was a national party yet through its 16 year reign Igbos were sidelined all through as per the presidential or VP ticket. Is that a suggestion that Igbos are not part of the nation? After accepting 16 year discrimination as a nationalistic trend tomorrow you’ll complain of marginalization and expect anyone to take you seriously. Ride on! Enahoro and Akenzua protected us during the war, and till today we honour them. Okorocha’s political career tumbled on identifying with APC yet he won re-election post merger of his APGA faction with APC. Chai! Chai! Chaaaaaaaiiiiiiii……! What happened to logical reasoning based on chronology? To a very large extent Jonathan’s presidency was accidental. We SS people accept it. We don’t lie and beat our chests like Igbos. Unfortunately GEJ was not the best the SS could offer as he too on adopting the name “Azikiwe” became a misadventuring “One-Nigerianist” struggling to please the Feudalist North to the detriment of the entire South and Middle belt which gave him bloc votes in 2011. We would have preferred Donald Duke. Do Igbos even have any politics for anyone to know let alone understand? A people who termed APC a party of the devil and in just less than 15 months all their frontline politicians (Nwobodo, Nnamani, Andy Uba, Kalu, Ekwunife, etc) later began trooping into it thus leaving the SS in the lurch? What politics do such people have? I know you’ll soon come and disown these guys as Yorubas and Fulanis whose ancestors migrated into Alaigbo and intermarried as far back as 1500 AD. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 10:52am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: Yes, the Ekweme who stood on our way did that on behalf of the Zik and Igbos who gave him to NPN as a bargain. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Nobody: 10:54am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth:@ the bold, are you not contradicting yourself? If the Ijaws in Ondo, that is a south west state, has natural ties with their south south counterpart, as you claimed, will it not be against logic to speak against the affinity Igbos in the east share with their south south brothers? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 11:05am On Mar 24, 2017 |
blues2022: Who is denying the Igbo brotherhood with the SS igboid? It is up to them to decide. And I have seen SS Igboids deny SE affinity. The threads are all over here on NL. But I am yet to see an Ondo Ijaw deny his affinity with the SS Ijaws or vice versa. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 11:26am On Mar 24, 2017 |
DocHMD:The same person who regurgiated the cross-carpeting saga propaganda but till now has not been able to respond to the details I posted about the truth of the matter? You are as empty as himself. The deep calleth onto the deep, and the shallow onto the shallow. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 11:38am On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: Was Igbo collusion with the North to jail Enahoro, Awolowo, etc not worse than hate speeches? Actions speak louders than words. Were you expecting Oba Akenzua to send thank you cards and gifts to Igbos in 1965 while seeing his brother Enahoro languishing do death in jail courtesy of Zik's subservience to Arewa people? Only Igbos live in glass houses and yet throw stones. They give others blows but when the blows are returned they complain it was disproportionate. They colluded with the North to hound Middle Belters and fellow Southerners, and when the opportunity came those Southerners too teamed up together with the Middle Belt to pay them back, but they began to cry victimization. Hypocrites! Those who murdered sleep are now looking for sleep. We were on our own in Benin when you attacked us in addition to having colluded with the Arewa, your friends, to jail our leader and representative. Were we wrong to have defended ourselves? You had problem with Arewa but invaded Edo. If not for mere expansionism drive, why could you not just use Benin for the mere purpose of transit on your way to Lagos in your quest to dislodge Gowon? Was Gowon's office in Osadebey House, Benin? Did Edo people stop you from just transiting through Benin to warrant cracking down on them as retaliation? If you had resisted the expansionist temptation to stop over and occupy Benin you would have arrived Lagos on time and caught Gowon relatively unprepared to launch any meaningful reprisal. But the usual Igbo greed which inspires the pursuit of numerous rats simultaneously led to catastrophic defeat with innocent lives lost. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 11:40am On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth: I still await your response to this. Please don't "forget". Thanks. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 3:46pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth: Charles Onyeama speech had been quoted out of context. Domination in that context meant "out competition" in a meritorious manner. Without Quota system in place, Igbos will always dominate most sectors in the country and that was what Onyeama spoke of. The Yorubas closer to Lagos and received the Western education first, yet Igbos closed the gap fast and furious and were set to "Dominate" the the sector. I think this is more of understanding than anything else. If Igbos want to dominate any sector of the country, as long as they were going to do it purely on merit, then it is fair, the onus was on others to up their competition and not to feel the need to pull the Igbo man down. Charles Onyeama speech was harmless and was only spurring Ndiigbo to up their efforts so as to dominate. He wasn't stopping other groups from upping their efforts to dominate. Either way,Onyeama wasn't Zik, Your attempt at pinning him on Zik is rather diabolical, and he was not preaching hate message against any Nigerian group. There was no evidence whatsoever on ground that Ndiigbo controlled anything in then Nigeria through coercion over other groups other than through merits. The Willink commission report more than emphasized this. http://scannewsnigeria.com/news/willink-report-1958-the-following-are-excerpts-from-a-the-report-of-the-commission-appointed-to-enquire-into-the-fears-of-minorities-and-the-means-of-allaying-them-otherwise-known-a/ Igbo domination was always merit based. All great nations feel superior to the neighbors, as long as such superiority is pursued through meritorious means, the neighbors are only required to up their effort to keep in touch! Awolowo and the rest of Nigeria were more interested in cutting the Igbo wings, than growing their own wings to meet the Igbos on the sky. Awolowo made hate speeches towards the Igbo. Likewise Akintola and Saraduna: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1Zpk4DrlA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk83xIRwI2o 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 4:12pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
[b] Your claim that there was no retaliation on Ziks part is yet another face saving volte face from my poser challenging you on the propriety of Zik’s decision to seek vengeance through a means which collateralized the future liberty and lives of innocent Southerners: 3. Hear yourself initially: “Lol! After Awolowo introduction of tribal politics in the 1951 Western region election to win the region for his AG, what option exactly did he leave for NCNC but to align with the North. And moreover, while NCNC aligned with NEPU, AG was also aligned with UMBC, both NEPU and UMBC being the minority parties in the North. The circumstances behind the aligning of NCNC with NPC was hinged on Awo's treachery where he wanted to play Zik a fool, but was instead checkmated by Zik who left him in the lurch. Awo would later play the same game successfully against Ojukwu. For while Awo was posturing as a middle man in search of alliance with the East, he was also searching for a possible alliance with the North.” The above by you obviously suggested that Zik’s decision to team up with the NPC was inspired by a quest for vengeance. But now you changed tune. Awo’s persecution was political. [/b] There was nothing like minority North. It was always one North. Gowon was also a minority Northerner. In the context of events, both UMBC and NEPU were the opposition parties to NPC in the North. Your idea of watering down that fact behind Northern minority veneer is funny. Awolowo teamed up with a Northern opposition party called UMBC, Zik teamed up with another Northern opposition party called NEPU, that was the situation of things. There was no vendetta on part of Zik towards awolowo, it was more of self preservation, no one wants to be dealing with a person of questionable loyalty. 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 4:30pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
[b] If not how come an investigation into the time of his premiership with Akintola as deputy indicted Awo but left Akintola smelling of roses? Why was the same probe not extended to Zik who was the first Nigerian to be indicted of corruption by even the colonial authorities over AfDB finances? The truth was that all the players in the first republic namely, Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Awo, Akintola, Zik, Okpara, Okotie-Eboh, Mbadiwe, etc were all corrupt. You can get the facts here. http://www.mondaq.com/ Nigeria/x/490434/White+Collar+Crime+Fraud/The +AntiCorruption+Legal+Framework+And+Its+Effect and here http:// www.nigeriacommunicationsweek.com.ng/e- business/fighting-corruption-a-war-for-all Only Awo’s own was made an issue because of his opposition to the Arewanistan-Biafra coalition. And in any case the NEPU and NPC which Zik teamed up with were both Core North-controlled Islamist parties, while the UMBC which Awo aligned with was a Middle-Belters’ party founded and controlled by a Christian called Joseph Tarka. Also Awolwo never sought alliance with both NCNC and NPC at the same time. It was Akintola who, entirely out of his own accord, went to Ahmadu Bello to, in his capacity as the premier of Western Region, negotiate. Recall that even before independence Akintola, against Awolowo’s disapproval for anything Islamist North, had already been serving as a minister under Balewa’s shadow regime which the colonial masters put in place in 1957 preparatory to their final exit. Akintola would later still visit Ahmadu Bello on the eve of the January 15 coup to suggest they both flee the country before the day of action which Bello declined. [/b] This is not about others! This is about Awolowo. Was Awolowo found guilty of financial misappropriation? Yes! Was he found guilty of treasonable felony? Yes! So what else are we talking about? Are you saying because you think other politicians were dirty too, therefore Awolowo should have been spared from facing the full wrath of the law? Are you for real! Of course, Awolowo political naivety exposed him to the law, his greed and lust for power alienated his scion Akintola who went and exposed all his shady deals to Tafawa Balewa, who then had to use them to catch Awolowo. Between Awolowo corruption and his alienated political former son, Akintola, any neutral being would find the root of Awolowo misfortunes, but a bitter Igbophobic being is more interested in roping Zik and Ndiigbo in. There was no telling if Akintola was acting on his own or for Awolowo, total avoidance of the situation was a pragmatic solution. Awolowo had no problem working with the North, he worked perfectly with Gowon and was at the helm of the starvation policy to keep Nigeria one, the same country he labelled " Geographical expression" not long ago. 3 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 4:52pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
[b] Recall that it was at that point Zik sent Okpara to Ibadan to mend fences with AG through his wife who really forgave Zik and Okpara. And that was where Awo made mistakes because Zik later still abandoned them in UPGA to accept appointment again in the NNA of Akintola-Balewa. If I were in Awo’s shoes I would have accepted Balewa’ offer, come out of prison, aligned AG with NPC, accept a position and with Zik out in the cold, proceed to deal with him too, Akintola, and Okpara with the same Bello and Balewa behind me. I would not mind if the coup plotters later killed me too. Now the question is, if Awo did double faced dealing, why would Zik later seek refuge politically with him and his party when he was being pummeled by the NPC? As for the bolded: Funny enough, Zik, who according to you, decided to later align with Awo for beliving that Awo would not leave him in the lurch this rime around, was the one who ended up leaving Awo in the lurch once more to join the NNA again. See your puerile logic? Another illogicality of this claim is that Zik eventually decided to strike a deal with a man whom his (ZIK's) own government had already convicted for "corruption" and was even already serving the jail term. Why align with a criminal if he himself was not a bigger one? Does that portray Zik as a man with a sound sense of judgement or as a shameless desperado who could condescend to any level in pursuit of any ambition? [/b] How exactly did Zik abandon UPGA? Was NCNC not behind AG in Western regional legislative election of Nov 1965? Ofcourse, Zik knew that alliance with Awolowo was safe in 1964. Seeing as Akintola had dealt Awolowo political career a fatal blow. With Akintola( Yet a Yoruba- Arewa alliance) already aligned with Balewa in NPC, Awolowo never had the option of any possible alliance with Balewa, Zik knew that alliance with Awolowo then was safe. Awo had no options, Zik calculatons were spot on. It would appear Zik would always be criticized and questioned by It Igbophobic entities, regardless of his alliance or non alliance with Awolowo, if he is now being questioned for aligning with a convicted Awolowo. 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 4:56pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: Why are you this dishonest? The claim that UMBC was a minority party came from you not me. I only quoted you and supplied my counter arguement. Please re-read your comment and see the quotation marks I placed around the statement in reference to it as a claim by your very self. So why deny what you earlier said and trying to make it look like it came from me? What I said was that UMBC was a party founded and run by a Christian Joseph Tarka which made Awo's decision protective of the South as christianity would not inspire feudalist tendencies, while Zik first aligned with NEPU (a party founded and run by a moslem) and later on went into a greater alliance with NPC the bigger and even more islamist party of Feudalists. It is necessary to state here that if NEPU were genuinely an opposition party to NPC in the North, then it should have pulled out of the its alliance with NCNC immediately Zik decided to go with NPC. But it didn't. Please stick to your claims! |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Nowenuse: 5:01pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: Really? Are u this jobless? What a long reply to such a short comment of mine. Seems like i now know the kind of folks am here with. You are talking about online groups by Igbo loving Aniomas, as if there are no Anti igbo groups by the same Aniomas. For every 1 Ika, Ndokwa, Ikwerre, Ekpeye or Ogba person you see accepting Igbo tag, 10 more are rejecting it. You cannot show me these things because i was born in Delta state and grew up there. Even among the Enuanis and Etches who have more pro Igbos, about half of them still reject Igbo identity. Well, it's not as if i care as such. Even if all SS Igboids unite with SE igbos, which can never happen due to the hate filled souls of SEners, it's still not enough for you to pull any weight in a large country like Nigeria. As Deadlytruth has made it clear, most SS igboids have imbibed the free spirit, culture and brotherliness of their fellow SS tribes. Only a united South can challenge the North and with the hate filled souls of Igbos, no way it's ever gonna happen. You are the one fighting for a cause and yet you are the ones always insulting and antagonizing others who can be your potential partners to achieve your goals. What stupidity. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Nowenuse: 5:04pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth: It's really funny seeing Igbos accusing Yorubas and Edos on partnering with the north, when everyone knew they started romance with the core-north first. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 5:07pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
In the case of Ojukwu, it was simple. When they met in Calabar, Awo first advised him against violent secession, but it fell on deaf ears. Then he asked him for two weeks to think deeply about subscribing to a violent means of secession against his pure civilian disposition before going ahead with declaration. But in less than three days later while Awo was on his way back to Ibadan the news of Ojukwu declaring Biafra (probably due to changed circumstances beyond his control) caught him by surprise. Question again: If Awo really played double negotiation with both Zik and Bello in 1959, would Ojukwu have confided in him over plans to declare Biafra? Let logic prevail over sentiments. Ojukwu himself would later, at the age of elderly maturity and better understanding of life, review his earlier opinion on Awo, hence he attended Awo’s burial and showered encomiums on him, but never attended that of Zik. Ojukwu never went for violent secession. It's on record all routes towards peaceful resolution of the Biafra question was squashed by Gowon under Arewa-oduanistanis and Edoids advisers influence. What options did Ojukwu have? Nigeria had three regions, 2/ 3 was always going to be an advantage. Yorubas( Awolowo) support was sought by both East and West. It was similar to the situation Ndiigbo found ourselves in 1979, when Awolowo relationship with his Arewa partners ran sour and both he and Arewa were seeking for Igbo support, hence the fielding of Igbo VPs by both, Awolowo and Shagari. Ojukwu ofcourse of a well trained Igbo man, he was merely being courteous to the dead. What's the purpose of bashing a man who took Otapiapia to end his life? 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 5:14pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
5. Without prejudice to the fact that Igbos are actually more unrelated to any SS ethnic group, I can tell that you exude ignorance of the existence of Edoid tribes like the Egenni, Epie etc in Rivers and Bayelsa States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Engenni_people. https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/ weekly/index.php/notes-from-atlanta/13466-what- s-really-president-goodluck-jonathan-s-ethnic- group Lol! What do you know? Those languages are classified Edoid, it doesn't mean they have anything to do with Edo. The language is not mutually intelligible to Edo, neither do the people consider themselves Edoid. Igala is also classified Yoruboid, so what? Even Igbanke in Edo is fighting to leave you lots and join Anioma, who wants to be associated with expansionists? Ehkwa! Lol 3 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Deadlytruth(m): 5:21pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
pazienza: This inquiry was carried out in 1958 but Onyeama made his threat in 1945. Had he made his own declaration after the publication of that report it might have been understandable that he has thereafter always been quoted out of the context of that report. But he made his declaration 13 whooping years before the inquiry and its report were ever made. So other than an oppressive mindset, there was really no existing background context out of which he was quoted. As for Ahmadu Bello: before then Northerners had never really hidden their fear of the dynamism of southerners generally and irreconciliable cultural and religious differences between the North and South, so they asked for secession but were disparaged by Igbos. Of course that appeared to them like Igbos had an ulterior motive for wanting to stick to a people who did not want them and other southerners generally. And they had the right to see it that way. So they chose Ahmadu Bello to protect them from the Igbos who were not only trying to stick to them unjustly but would as well not allow them exit the union to safety from unwanted competition that might possibly result in the pollution of their cherished culture and religion. Remember we've agreed that any people have the God-given right to seek a separate existence for any reason whatsoever. Thus they had to elect Ahmadu Bello to protect them from Igbos which he did for them perfectly. In the interview I hear Ahmadu Bello ask whether any of the numerous school leavers of Northern origin were being appointed into Southern parastatals and the answer was a big no. So it was a two way guilt. I don't understand Yoruba hence I can't comment on Akintola video. |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by pazienza(m): 5:25pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
[b] There are Ijaws, Itsekiris and Urhobos indigenous to Edo State and are enclaves within the Binis. Some Edo North tribes speak mutually intelligible languages with some minute tribes in Northern Cross River. Only Akwa Ibom is totally unconnected with Edo State in the SS. Your attempt to define Edo State as Northwards with your map is at best stupid and reeks of ignorance. Southernness is not measured by latitude but by closeness to the coastline to which Edo is closer than any Middle East State. On account of direct access to the sea through Benin River Edo had a sea port at Gelegele in the past and is being revived now. Does any part of the Middle East have such access to the sea for a seaport establishment? The lower South Western tip of Edo State is just 30km from the adjacent coastline but the most southern tip of the most southern Middle Easst state of Abia is 43km from the coast. The northernmost part of Edo (Imoga) is 220km from her adjacent coastline while the corresponding part of Enugu is 300km from the coast. Even the Northernmost tip of Cross River is farther from the coast (230km) than that of Edo though closer than Enugu’s. [/b] Lol! Who are the tribes in Northern Cross Rivers related to Edo? I'd like to hear about them. Lol! Lol! So by your Coastline dumb rule, Lagos is more Southern than Lesotho, since Lagos is closer to the Atlantic than Lesotho. You see how your desperation gets the better of you as you invent schizophrenic rules along the way. Haha! Gelegele is Ijawland, and when the time is right, they will put a stop to your expansionism agenda. SE has Obuaku, and it's as close to the ocean enough as we want. 3 Likes |
Re: 10 Most Developed Local Government Areas In Nigeria-opinion by Nowenuse: 5:27pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Deadlytruth: You see, this is why i love the yorubas. Yorubas really do not care about minority groups. They are the only majority group who really respect the rights of minority groups. They have left Edo and Delta people to be their own. What about tribes like Bariba, Igala, Igbirra, Nupes, Ogori e.t.c? These are middlebelt tribes that share so much in common with yoruba, infact if care is not taken you easily mistake them for yorubas. Many of them even speak yoruba fluently as 2nd languages in their homelands, yet u will never see yoruba force them or arguing with them to be yoruba. What about the yoruba speaking Kwara, Kogi and Delta (Itsekiri n Olukumi) people? You hardly hear Yorubas arguing over Ilorin or Lokoja or Warri, having a heated issue with these middlebelt yoruba speakers, unlike Igbos who you always see insulting and antagonizing many SS groups just because they fail to accept Igboness or Igbo brotherhood. There are Yorubas in Benin republic and Togo, but those in Nigeria do not kill themselves over these people. Imagine if there were Igbo tribes in Cameroon and beyond, we would have not drank water in peace because of Igbo claims day and night. Why is it always Igbos? Igbos completely lack the leadership skills as a majority group to treat minority groups well and win their hearts just as among the Hausas, Fulanis, Kanuris, Shuwa arabs, Bauchis, Nupes and many northern muslim groups do. They think it is about bragging, arguing and insulting day and night that will help them with the SS. Attache by force. Hausa-fulanis welcomed a lot of these northern minority groups to their lands, gave them equal oppprtunities and that was how many northern tribes accepted Hausa-fulanis the more. But igbos cannot even accept themselves let alone other groups to fluorish and succeed in their lands. That was how an Abia state governor sacked all the Imo state workers in their state. 1 Like 1 Share |
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