Yusuf54:
...Thks Man,Do u believe in all what was written in the Bible ?

Yusuf54:
...Is There Religion War in those Countries that u Mentioned above?

Yusuf54:
...Is There Religion War in those Countries that u Mentioned above?

Yusuf54:
...He said u shall not see me,and that anyone that sees him SHALL DIE..Did Jacob Die when he wrestle with God in Genesis 32 vs 22-32 or did Moses Die when he spoke with God FACE TO FACE in Exodus 33 vs 11? Jacob and Moses existed before Jesus,,,And Jesus said,No Man has ever seen God,that God has made him to know this in John 1 vs 18,,,Are Moses and Jacob not Human Being?

kingsouthie:

Wrestle with God, yea right, that was an Angel like the one sent to destroy sodom and gomorrah, please!
Face to face used there is only a figure of speech to indicate how close God was to Moses, like i pointed out earlier go read Exodus 33: 18-23 and see all that transpired and stop trying to call God a liar.

greatjoey:

Not just religious war but Islamic fundamentalism.

BuzChi:


My answer is Yes, i do believe in all what is written in the Bible since i now understand its only when God's Spirit reveals the word in the bible to you,you truly have received the power to live in that revelation.Its just a book actually, anyone can read it but since its inspired by God, deriving fruits from reading has more impact when you're a believer in Christ Jesus- but God still moves in people's heart to save them when they read though they're not believers.
Sometime ago, it was pretty hard to believe in most of them. But now understanding somethings in life and personal experiences i have gone through i now know that i'm truly from Father God and that i don't see some of these things physically is a reminder that everything u see is temporal and what you don't see is eternal-thereby it has more impact. When you desire something to be seen/manifest, its only by understanding that one can actually exercise his faith to manifest God's power. We're not just believers in Christ Jesus, but we're meant to manifest God's wisdom &power on earth.
The wickedness of people actually reminds me of how truly powerful God is because of what He is doing in me- He wants people to come back in relationship with him, our Father, and don't come to him with fear/intimidation because He loves us all. Tendency to wickedness/evil has gripped many people's hearts in a grave manner, and that's why God's interest is in sincere willingness without fear/intimidation for people to know& understand who they are and who He is to them &what He has done about any barrier to His relating with us, not what we have done.

ilynem:

Is there anything limiting him from being all of them?

Yusuf54:
...U Mean Jesus is a Servant of God, Son of God,Prophet of God and also at the Same time God...hmmmmmmmmm...that's funny

Yusuf54:
...Dont u know what u r saying? What does Angel has to do with the fight between JACOB AND GOD,After their Fight JACOB SAID I HAVE SEEN GOD AND GOD HAS SAVED MY LIFE,,,:.2...Dont u know the Meaning of FACE TO FACE..Pls google search on it or ask the Brilliant Ones around you

ilynem:

Why is it funny? I will have this discussion with you, but sometimes to learn, you have to unlearn. Yes you have been thought Islam probably since you were born, but you can't judge Christianity from the angle of Islam. You will get it wrong. So if you promise to have this discussion with an open mind, then we will go on and I will explain to you why he is all

kingsouthie:

Hmmm if we were in arabia could yuh christian friends tell me more??

Would u like the entire world to be dominated and ruled by Islam?

Tuham:


Of course they would. You can't use others to define me bro. I am who i am, not what others think i am
As regards your second paragraph, its like me asking someone else "Would you like Buddhism to be dominated throughout the entire world"?

Yusuf54:
...Pls go on My brother,am ready to learn from you

Yusuf54:
...I love ur response and ur words shows that u r a Knowledgeable Christian, Pls is Jesus God or Servant of God or Son of God or Son of Man or Prophet of God? Pls use Bible scriptures to back ur answer

BuzChi:


Hebrews 1:3, 2 Corinthians 4: 4 and John 1: 1 - 17 reveals that he is the word of God which is God that had to become flesh according to prophesy in Isaiah 7:14, also stated in Matthew 1:23. From John 10: 34-39, Jesus had to remind the jews of God's original idea of men, He spoke of Psalms 82:6, to properly reinforce who He is; one that proceeds from the Father! He's the Son of Man because He was completely man&divine which is why he could die in the first place (Matthew 17:9). This is why through 1 John 4:17 explains how we, those in earthly vessels that receive him, are like him as he is glorified forever in heaven (Ephesians. 1: 3 and Psalms 103: 1- 5).
So being a prophet and servant are just some attributes of his works, but his primary functions are 1 John 3: 8, 1 Thess. 5: 9 and Ephesians 1:13. An illustration to explain this is like a Doctor should be able to give injections but its not his primary duty that's why nurses/*prophets handle injections and other tasks which a doctor can still easily do.
In conclusion, being a servant and prophet is an attribute of his work, being a Son of God and Son of Man is for us, those that receive him, because He has actually made us sons and daughters of God since He partook of our humanity, thereby lifting us up to live in Him &like him. And being God is what made it possible in the first place to die for humanity. My conclusion may not be too logical but it's in my level of my understanding in Christ that i write this.

ilynem:

Lol. I am also hoping to learn from you. So first let us talk about the divinity of Jesus hense the trinity.
The father, the Son and the Holy spirit are one in Being but three in person. What does that mean? A being is who you are and a person is what you are. As a Being, you are Human but as a person you are Yusuf54.
Now I know you probably have an Imam or a teacher you respect a lot. As a person, he is Higher than you in the sense that he will tell you what to do and you will do it most times without question. But as a being, you are equal because just as he is Human, you too are human. Putting it better, you are equal in essence or substance but not equal in role (in the sense that he tells you what to do).
Now let's look at the Jesus and the Father. They are one (or equal) in being in the sense that they are both God. Just as the father is God, so is the son. But they are not equal (or one) in person. That is why you hear Jesus saying things like "my father is greater than me". Because it is Jesus' role to be submissive to the father. He answers to the father just as you answer to your Imam. And the Holy spirit answers to the both of them. So Jesus is the son of God (meaning son of the Father) and he is God meaning that he has the same substance or essence as the father.
Now when Jesus came on earth he took a human form. The first Bible verse I memorized was John 3:26. And it was just of recent I knew how rich and explanatory that verse is.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only son that whosoever believes in Him (the Son) shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Remember I said the son's role is to be submissive to the Father, so it was the father's will to send the son to come on earth in human form. On earth Jesus took the role of a prophet and a servant of the father, doing the will of the father. Hence when he was praying he said " not my will but let thy will be done ". He took up the role of a servant cuz the Father sent Him. He took up the role of a prophet because he delivered the Father's message, prophesied of the coming of the Holy spirit and did many miracles. And at the end, when he died, he took on the role of the saviour. Taking our sins on his shoulders and dying on the cross for us. And finally, resurrected on the third day. And now he has ascended into heaven to be with the Father.
Did I make things clear or did I just blab? Be honest

Yusuf54:
...Only Two Persons prophecied correctly about Jesus,In Deuteronomy 18 vs 15-18,Moses said to the Israelites that the LORD your God would raise up a PROPHET LIKE ME for u,These Scriptures means that Jesus and Moses Must have things in common,They were both Priests,They were both Prophets of God,they were both servants of God,they were both a descendant of Amram and Jacob,they were both sent to the Israelites and they were both Messengers of God,This automatically disqualify Jesus from being the WORDS OF GOD AND THE SON OF GOD becos if Jesus had been the words of God and Son of God,these would have made him to be DIFFERENT FROM MOSES,The Second person that prophecied correctly about Jesus was Malachi in Malachi 3 vs 1,where he prophecied and Predicted the coming of Jesus and John as Messengers of God,,U would see that Moses and Malachi Prophecied the coming of Jesus as a Prophet and Messenger of God and not as son of God,,,..The Prophecy about Jesus can only be found in Old testament becos it was written before the existence of Jesus on earth,,,Isaiah never prophecied about Jesus and i will back my point with these scriptures in the Bible,NOTE, christ means Messiah,, Isaiah 2 vs 4,He says the Messiah must usher in an era of World peace,Isaiah 43 vs 5-6,Says the Messiah must gather all jews back to the land of Israel,Isaiah 53 vs 7,says the Messiah wouldn't alter any word while he was being tormented or Oppresed But according to the Gospel of John19 vs 28-30,Jesus altered some words while he was been tormented and oppresed.My Question now is that Did Jesus fulfill the Prophecy of Isaiah? I know u would want to say Jesus will fulfill Isaiah prophecy in his second coming BUT Jesus said in John 17 vs 4,That He have finished the work GOD gv him to do on earth,this scripture automatically rule out the second coming of Jesus..U also said that Jesus died for Humanity,Jesus never tot of dieing for humanity,The Gospel of John 18-14,AFTER JESUS HAD BEEN ARRESTED,HE WAS FIRST TAKEN TO ANNAS before he was taken to CAIAPHAS WHO ADVISED THE JEWS THAT ONE MAN/JESUS SHOULD DIE FOR THE PEOPLE/HUMANITY

Yusuf54:
..The Gospel of John 3 vs 16 that u quoted Says For God do love the World that he gave his only Son, BUT according to Jeremiah 31 vs 9,Ephraim is God FirstBorn and also in Exodus 4 vs 22,Jacob is God First born, My question is,Who is the Only son of God among Ephraim,Jacob and Jesus? ....U also said that Jesus Christ Prophecied the coming of d Holy Spirit,BUT the Holy Spirit had been existing before the Birth and the coming of Jesus christ according to the following Scriptures : LUKE 1 VS 15,JOHN was filled with the Holy Spirit before and after the birth of Jesus, Luke 1 vs 67, Zechariah was filled with Holy Spirit, Luke 2 vs 25,Says Simeone was filled with Holy Spirit, and Luke 11 vs 13 made us to know that Holy Spirit can only be obtained thru prayer,..The Holy Spirit had been existing before the existence of Jesus Christ on earth

ilynem:

I really should warm myself up for you. Lol. Let's look at exodus 4:22. Looking at the context, it was God sending moses to Pharaoh. What did the verse say?
And you will say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, Israel is my firstborn son; 4:23 and I say to you, Let my son go that he may serve me, but if you refuse to let him go, then I will surely kill your firstborn son’.”
Now that verse isn't talking about Jacob as a person but the people of Israel as a group. God was trying to say that Israel is his special people, the people He has chosen not that Jacob (as in the man) is His first born son. So he is referring to the people of Israel as a whole. Now let's look at Jeremiah 31: 9. Again context is very important. What does the verse say?
"They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."
Now let us recall that Joseph had two sons. Manasseh and Ephraim. Manasseh was the first born but Jacob bestowed the blessing of the first born on Ephraim. This is God just confirming the first sonship of Ephraim. Even though Manasseh came first, Ephraim is my first born because Israel bestowed the blessings of first born on him.
David is even called the firstborn too. But that is taken as preeminence, just a sign that David has a special place. God called him the first born and said he is exalted above all kings.
What does this tell us, the term firstborn is used in the Bible mainly to show special status to some group of people or persons. Whether it be Israel over all other tribes, Ephraim over Manasseh or David over other Kings.
Now, no other person was called the "begotten son of God". This alone was given to Jesus.
Now talking about Holy spirit. Of course the Holy spirit was on earth, but it never dwelled inside us. John got filled with the Holy spirit but it never dwelled inside him. Jesus prophesy was that the holy spirit will not only be with us, but it will dwell inside us. Let's look at John 14:16-17:
16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Notice the last line of verse 17. But ye know him (that is they know Him already, He is nothing strange). For he dwelleth with you ( present tense. It means the holy spirit is already dwelling with them), and shall be in you. (Future tense. That means even though he dwells with them he is not in them. So the promise is that He shall be in us.) What's the difference you might ask? The holy spirit is God's working force. In the old dispensation, God worked through His spirit. But now, we are carriers of God's spirit. Its in us. Once we are born again and we ask for His spirit, it comes and dwells in us. And trust me, that's a wonderful experience because Satan can't come near a man who carries the spirit of God in him.
PS: I am actually scared of your next question, but bring it on.

BuzChi:


Yusuf, i appreciate your explanations here but if you actually read through all the biblical references you would answer some of your points here. You are trying to indicate the messiah, Christ, is not Jesus and he didn't die for man. Your quotation from Isaiah is accurate, as well as John 19:28-30 fulfills Psalms 69:21b and i do not embrace the fact that i am right and you are wrong or vice versa-its not what i desire. Review the biblical references i gave in my initial replies carefully, if you still feel the same way on your points then we go from there, but not to engage in unnecessarily long argumentative discussion- it would be fruitless !

Kbs468:

And that is where the problem is. Are you a kufr?
The misconception has been the failure to understand who a kufr is. Kufr means an unbeliever in the Oneness of God.

In case you don't know, Christians are not kufr because they believe in God. kufr are Idolators practicing during the time of Prophet Muhammad when the message was revealed to him.

So the word cannot apply to the present day Christians and that is the problem of the so called terrorists and non Muslim that have access to the Qur'an since they don't read and understand it in spirit.

Yusuf54:
....Who would know much about who Jesus was between Mary,Jesus Mother and His Disciples and show me the Verse where Mary called his Son,Jesus the begotten Son of God? For Someone to have been filled with Holy Spirit means the Holy spirit dwelled in him/her,Are u saying the Holy Spirit didn't dwell with these People;Abraham,Jacob,Moses,Ezra,Elijah,Enoch,Zechariah ?..For someone to have been filled with the Holy Spirit means the Holy Spirit dwelled with him/her and Luke 11 vs 13 made us know that the Holy Spirit can be obtained through Prayer and People have even been Praying to God before the existence of Jesus Christ on earth,:..The Authors of the New testament dont really know Much about Jesus,let me take you to the Gospel of Matthew 27 vs 44,Matthew says two Criminals taunted Jesus while on the cross But Luke 23 vs 39-42,says Only one Criminal taunted Jesus.,,When Jesus Had given up on the cross, Matthew 27 vs 54,says Centurion words after Jesus had given up was TRULY THIS MAN WAS THE SON OF GOD, But Luke 23 vs 47,Centurion said TRULY THIS MAN WAS RIGHTEOUS....say something on these

Amberon:
Potential murderer. Terrorist in the making.

Yusuf54:
...Only Two Persons prophecied correctly about Jesus,In Deuteronomy 18 vs 15-18,Moses said to the Israelites that the LORD your God would raise up a PROPHET LIKE ME for u,These Scriptures means that Jesus and Moses Must have things in common,They were both Priests,They were both Prophets of God,they were both servants of God,they were both a descendant of Amram and Jacob,they were both sent to the Israelites and they were both Messengers of God,This automatically disqualify Jesus from being the WORDS OF GOD AND THE SON OF GOD becos if Jesus had been the words of God and Son of God,these would have made him to be DIFFERENT FROM MOSES,The Second person that prophecied correctly about Jesus was Malachi in Malachi 3 vs 1,where he prophecied and Predicted the coming of Jesus and John as Messengers of God,,U would see that Moses and Malachi Prophecied the coming of Jesus as a Prophet and Messenger of God and not as son of God,,,..The Prophecy about Jesus can only be found in Old testament becos it was written before the existence of Jesus on earth,,,Isaiah never prophecied about Jesus and i will back my point with these scriptures in the Bible,NOTE, christ means Messiah,, Isaiah 2 vs 4,He says the Messiah must usher in an era of World peace,Isaiah 43 vs 5-6,Says the Messiah must gather all jews back to the land of Israel,Isaiah 53 vs 7,says the Messiah wouldn't alter any word while he was being tormented or Oppresed But according to the Gospel of John19 vs 28-30,Jesus altered some words while he was been tormented and oppresed.My Question now is that Did Jesus fulfill the Prophecy of Isaiah? I know u would want to say Jesus will fulfill Isaiah prophecy in his second coming BUT Jesus said in John 17 vs 4,That He have finished the work GOD gv him to do on earth,this scripture automatically rule out the second coming of Jesus..U also said that Jesus died for Humanity,Jesus never tot of dieing for humanity,The Gospel of John 18-14,AFTER JESUS HAD BEEN ARRESTED,HE WAS FIRST TAKEN TO ANNAS before he was taken to CAIAPHAS WHO ADVISED THE JEWS THAT ONE MAN/JESUS SHOULD DIE FOR THE PEOPLE/HUMANITY

Yusuf54:
...I accepted the Fact that Jesus Is the Messiah and Al Quran also confirmed it..What I was tryn to say is that Isaiah prophecy about/on Jesus was not accurate....I want you to tell me the Religion that has fulfilled this Biblical scripture...ZEPHANIAH 3 VS 9,SAYS GOD WILL CHANGE THE SPEECH OF THE PEOPLE TO A PURE SPEECH/LANGUAGE,THAT ALL OF THEM MAY CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD AND SERVE HIM WITH ONE ACCORD...

BuzChi:

With respect to your earlier point on isaiah prophesy, Jesus second coming would not be as the "lamb to the slaughter"-Is. 53:7, Rev. 5:8; but it would be in His Majesty that everyone would seen Joel 2:30 and also the scriptures in Malachi you mentioned. I may not want to repeat myself much about my answers about Immanuel and Isaiah prophesy on that. And Jesus all throughout the book of John, Matth., Luke &Mark, Jesus always reminded his disciples of his death so they wouldn't be surprised that's why Peter was tempted to condemn him and Jesus replied him in Matthew 16: 22-24. He was meant to bring spiritual children to God as stated in John 8 during the conversation to the Samaritan woman. This was why most of his disciples were confused initially because they thought he came to destroy Israel enemies as written, but they didn't know God's heart is for his spiritual children as well- i did explain some points earlier on natural first, then spiritual.

kingsouthie:

My paddy Yusuf why are just like this nao?whats all this petty issue about the 2nd prophet being like Moses? A Prophet like me only means a Prophet with similar calling, not that the Prophet should be like him physically, or was Prophet Mohammed drawn from a river also? Was he a stammerer? Leave those personal trivial aspects, they are non-consequential to the Calling, A Prophet like me only means a Prophet to Liberate the Children of God from bondage like he did and the Messiah Also, not a prophet that should be like me physically or something...
Isaiah 2 talks about the last days, infact in verse 2 it talks about the mountain of Gods House being established on top of other mountains...please where is this mountain?it actually refers to Government of God overcoming every other government in the Last days and from then on there would be Peace in the World
And about Jesus uttering any word or not, Jesus Christ had 2answer some questions asked by the persecutors but He did not protest against the persecution like any innocent person should which is what that verse means
He prayed Let this cup pass me by...and said "it is finished"...that aspect of suffering and dying for the sins of man was finished there and then
Not only did he prophesy how he would die to save all, he also prophesied His ressurection, John 3:14-15, Matt 16:21, 20: 17-19...
And btw about Zephaniah 3:9 you think Islam fits in, what about the sunnis and shia bombing each others mosque?Islam hasnt conquered half of the world yet and you want to claim fulfilled prophesybros calm down, it refers to the end of the world and a the New Earth after this present one is destroyed

Yusuf54:
...Ok my Fwend...But Zephaniah 3 vs 9,was talking about using a pure Language to worship God in one accord,,,No1, Can these people, Hausa Man,Ibo Man,French Man,Spanish Man,Yoruba Man,Latin Man,Greek Man and English Man Pray under the Same roof in Christianity? No 2,Pls help me and compare these Scriptures and tell me why The DISCIPLES said different things about Jesus last words while on the Cross,,Matthew 27 vs 46-50, Luke 23 vs 46 and John 19 vs 30. No3,Only Luke and Paul talked about the Ascension of Jesus,and Why didn't other Disciples write something on Jesus Ascension? Luke 24 vs 51 says Jesus Ascension took place in Bethany While Acts 1 vs 9-12 says Jesus Ascension took place in Mount Olivet..Why did they differ in Jesus Ascension? I hope to hearing from you soon My Brother

kingsouthie:

my point is your friends are perhaps free and open with you so much because they are realy facing no "persecutions" as they would if they were in saudi, and you may not readily reach out to them so easily as well....i havent been there but with the little knowledge i have christians are supposed to be treated differently(harshly) in a state governed completely by sharia laws if im not mistaking and as such wouldnt freely relate with you if it were not so.
the 2nd part i believe is the ultimate goal of Islam; to rule the world under "one caliphate", and the means of achieving that may not be too far from the topic of discuss; "who is innocent and who can be considered as an infidel in Islam?"

kingsouthie:

Well about worshiping God in one lang, it may actually be impossible on earth but in the Life After its definitely possible as written in Rev 7:9-17
The discrepancies in details among the Books of The Gospel portrays the fact the authors were working independently, while the exact words and events may have been narrated differently it still doesnt take away the central theme which is Salvation through Christ.
I believe after Prophet Mohammed died and the Quran was being compiled there where also different accounts right?that doesnt change his message in entirety or does it?its up to you to focus on what u realy think is important which depends on what you actually seek

Yusuf54:
...Al Quran has never changed,But the Muslims are praying with One Language all over the World