ActivateKruger:


It still doesn't change the fact that the SAAF has more experience and better training than the NAF. We shouldn't even be comparing, we're in different leagues.

nnamdi1998:
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nnamdi1998:
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Henry240:


Post only Africa related content. Please take down all the non-Africa photos.

chkil0:


this thread is for africans armies only ,

their is another thread “ Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc “ for armies of the rest of world

ActivateKruger:


A Nigerian brain brags about bombing a Toyota Hulux owned by Quran smoking wanksters

xwolverine:


Now you're retracting your words about training trumping experience. I should say we are making progress.

SAAF has more experience you say? Prove it.
You haven't given me instances where you restored democracy in your own, and I'm not talking of Peace keeping missions or sneak attacks on retreating armies... I need something like the exploits in Liberia.... A note of caution... The Internet never forgets

Did anyone sell a car?

IbnSultaan:

Your stupidity is getting into your thick coconut head
You need to fix your madness and learn to respect others including their faith, nationality, and race .

ActivateKruger:


I have zero respect for Islamists for what they believe in and whatsoever, try another user.

chkil0:


not a good exemple , you cant compare iraqi army ( under embargo , no modern equipement) against coalition (more than 40 coutries ) +US NATO armies ! what can do experience when us air force destroy everything from the sky ? The coalition flew over 100,000 sorties, dropping 88,500 tons of bombs, and widely destroying military and civilian infrastructure. + Tomahawk ect... The difference was too enormous in terms of equipment and technology ! The experience can make the difference when the two opponents have a close level equipment and capacity .

what can do an experinced ace in an alpha jet against a new rookie in a f22 formation with awacs support ! or a best experienced soldiers in a t72 with no night vision against an appach thats see him in HD in night from faaar !

xwolverine:


[s]Really? are we going to do this all over?

The US have always had countless experiences since the turn of the century. From the civil wars to the world wars, you can't wave that off just to win an argument.

When Botswana have had to scramble A-jets (not designed for CAS) within short notice, with the pilot getting injured from AA guns in the process, but still manages to complete his mission...when SAAF have participated and won a single war (not against its own people)...when SADF have managed to restore democracy to one nation while supporting with over $10billion....Then we can have this discussion....till then i say the SAAF achievements are nothing even Chad wouldn't do. (anyone can perform excercises)[/s]

xwolverine:


Now you're contradicting yourself, just knock it off already.
I bet you would say the Iraqis have more experience than the Yanks?

Experience is not indeginous it's gained from being involved in actual wars.. A theoretical driver with the best training still needs to understand the driving culture of his/her city...training alone doesn't cut it, if it did the yanks would've kicked some asses in Japan... They needed the A-bomb to end the war.

xwolverine:

SAAF has more experience you say? Prove it.

nnamdi1998:
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chkil0:


you can call them terrorists islamists is a funny word for muslims invented by Westerners, it is like saying Christianist to make difference with christian

Patchesagain:

Indian? Bangladeshi?

Patchesagain:


We have a word for "Islamist" Christians, its called "The Church Militant"

You dont hear it because we got rid of those assholes ~1000 years ago during the Reformation.

giles14:
lair .
in the Catholic Church u have 3 churches.
the triumph church - those in heaven/ saints
the militant Church- the living /those still on earth.
suffering church - those in purgatory.

so Christianity never had anything similar to the Islamist or jihadist.

even the crusaders are far from islamist.

so wen next u use the word "church militant" pls search for its meaning

chkil0:


not a good exemple , you cant compare iraqi army ( under embargo , no modern equipement) against coalition (more than 40 coutries ) +US NATO armies ! what can do experience when us air force destroy everything from the sky ? The coalition flew over 100,000 sorties, dropping 88,500 tons of bombs, and widely destroying military and civilian infrastructure. + Tomahawk ect... The difference was too enormous in terms of equipment and technology ! The experience can make the difference when the two opponents have a close level equipment and capacity .

what can do an experinced ace in an alpha jet against a new rookie in a f22 formation with awacs support ! or a best experienced soldiers in a t72 with no night vision against an appach thats see him in HD in night from faaar !

Patchesagain:


Unfortunatly, your Military History needs to be polished

Iraq had one of the finest militaries in the world at the time, during the ten year war against Iran (which had finised ~2 years before GW 1) they had received some of the finest training and equipment BOTH the West and the East had to offer.

The Iraqi airforce had extensive experience in Air-to-Air combat, doding SAM's and attacking well defended positions.

Their SAM crews had extensive experience shooting down Iranian jets and dealing with Iranian SEAD and EW

They Iraqi army of 1990 was extensivly experienced, very well equipped, but poorly trained.
The American army of 1990 was extensivly trained and well equipped, but poorly experienced.

The Americans, as we all know, wiped the floor with the Iraqi's.

chkil0:


seriously ? irakian army against a coalition of 34 countries ( USA, united kingdomn , france italy ect.... ) ? last version equipment against export version ? , tomahawks ,Awacks , stealth F117, B52, f15E , F18, F16 ! 2 250 best coalition jets against 250 it was like Pigeon shooting coalition widely destroyed military and civilian iraki infrastructure , coalition had a total control of the sky , yeh irakian air force did what theu can with its equipment , coalition lost 75 arcraft , in the ground and sea the difference were more hudge ,

i dont know were do you see any Balance of forces in this war

chkil0:


seriously ? irakian army against a coalition of 34 countries ( USA, united kingdomn , france italy ect.... ) ? last version equipment against export version ? , tomahawks , Awacks , stealth F117 , B52 , f15E , F18 , F16 !

2250 best coalition jets against 250 it was like Pigeon shooting coalition widely destroyed military and civilian iraki infrastructure , coalition had a total control of the sky , yeh irakian air force did what theu can with its equipment , coalition lost 75 arcraft , in the ground and sea the difference were more hudge ,

i dont know were do you see any Balance of forces in this war

ActivateKruger:


I have zero respect for Islamists for what they believe in and whatsoever, try another user.

IbnSultaan:
Psychos like you are part of the problem

Patchesagain:


A target rich environment... and they get allmost no A-to-A kills.

Come now

overhypedsteve:
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Do not pray to learn the lessons that we have learnt, but when you pray, pray that you would one day gain the chance to learn from the experience of the men that have seen the true flames of war.

ActivateKruger:



- They had sophisticated Soviet air defence
- Mobile air defence batteries
- Thousands of AA guns
- They had tons of experience

They should have made the Americans bleed, in fact they had good enough equipment to halt the Coalition Forces if they had similar training.



I hate saying this but check the Battle of Lomba River where the better equipped Angolans and Cubans were halted by the better trained South Africans.